Durham reported on, but did NOT DISCUSS, Downer's amazing statement in Oct 2019 interview that Papadopoulos “made no mention of ... any specific approach by the Russian government to the Trump campaign team with an offer or suggestion of providing assistance”.
supposed report by Papadopoulos to Australians of a "Russian offer to assist" was essential to Crossfire predicate. Term mentioned over dozen times in Strzok memoir Compromised. Napolitano and others speculated Russia had Hillary emails, but "offer to assist" needed for Crossfire
In Compromised, Strzok specifically attributed the information about Papadopoulos' statements to Alexander Downer.
But, when interviewed by Durham, Downer denied that Papadopoulos had said anything about a Russian "offer to assist".
But Durham segued away, without comment.
Downer told Durham that "he would have characterized the statements made by Papadopoulos //differently// than [Thompson] did in Paragraph 5". (Paragraph 5 was notorious Australian cable excerpt used in Crossfire Opening EC) referring to "suggestion" of a "suggestion" from Russia
Strzok/Pientka interviewed Downer/Thompson on Aug 2, 2016. Obvious question: Did Downer say that Papadopoulos "made no mention of ... any specific approach by the Russian government to the Trump campaign team with an offer or suggestion of providing assistance"?
In August 2, 2016 interview, did Downer say "that he would have characterized the statements made by Papadopoulos differently than [Thompson] did in Paragraph 5"?
In his memoir, Strzok claimed that interview "confirm[ed] that the report [Paragraph 5] had conveyed the allegation accurately. We had eliminated the possibility that someone had misheard something and satisfied ourselves about the accuracy of the initial reporting."
and yet Downer's evidence to Durham does the exact opposite: Downer directly questioned the Paragraph 5 reporting and denied that Papadopoulos had ever referred to a "Russian offer to assist".
Durham reported that FBI 302 for Aug 2, 2016 stated that Thompson said that Paragraph 5 was "purposely vague" and that Papadop "did not say he had direct contact with the Russians".
This is not what Strzok claimed in Compromised.
the possibility that Papadopoulos did NOT use the phrase "Russian offer to assist" (and that phrase was an embellishment in reporting) has long been discussed in this corner e.g. right after Horowitz here https://t.co/6abNvCnmwz
subsequently Walkafyre pinned the embellishment to Erika Thompson's cable in May 2016.
Durham explained that there were two cables: one by Downer on May 11 and one by Thompson. The embellishment was in the Thompson cable on May 16.
Downer gave a copy of Erika's cable to the US Embassy on July 26, 2016. The FBI seems to have incorrectly assumed that this was Downer's cable, treating it as though it were a document from a senior and experienced diplomat and not from a Ciaramella-generation anti-Trump partisan
there's another large puzzle about Australians in Durham report, that Durham didn't comment on. In their Oct 2019 (separate) interviews, Downer and Thompson both stated that Papadopoulos' statements were made on May 10, 2016 at the wine bar when both were present.
Strzok had praised both interviewees as "clearheaded, intelligent and precise".
the account of the incident date and location given by Australians to Durham is also consistent with original reporting e.g. New York Times in December 2017 citing "four current and former officials"
but Mueller report had placed incident on May 6, 2016, their date for introductory meeting between Papadopoulos and Thomson plus her boyfriend, Israeli diplomat Christian Cantor. Mueller cited "FBI case-opening document and related materials". Case opening EC DIDNT mention May 6
Durham stated that Pientka's FBI 302 for Aug 2, 2016 interview also gave a date of May 6, 2016 introductory meeting for incident, noting that Downer wasn't at that meeting.
if Papadopoulos statements were made on May 6 (when Downer not present), then Downer didn't have first hand knowledge of key Papadopoulos statements and both Thompson and Downer were lying or implausibly not remembering when interviewed by Durhm.
wherever the truth may lie, it is beyond bizarre that there should be any uncertainty - let alone major contradictions - in date and location of statements upon which entire Crossfire predicate rested. Yet Durham let pass without comment.
Durham noted the contradiction between the Downer and Thompson statements in Oct 2019 interviews and the Pientka 302 on apparently inconsistent Thompson statement on Aug 2, 2016, but apparently didn't ask Thompson about inconsistency in Oct 2019 or follow-up. Why?
also, FWIW Mueller investigation did NOT interview either Downer or Thompson despite their importance to Crossfire opening. Why? My guess is that Weissmann et al realized that story was wonky and was more valuable to them uninvestigated than refuted.
my conclusions: (1) Papaopoulos never mentioned any "Russian offer to assist" on either date; (2) the claim that "Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia that it could assist this process [campaign]" was an embellishment by Erika Thompson;
(3) Downer later realized (too late) that Erika's embellishment had launched a crisis and (gallantly) did what he could to keep Erika out of the limelight;(4) Mueller avoided Downer; but Downer, at first official opportunity (Durham - Oct 2019), walked back Erika's embellishment
if Durham had released Downer (and Thompson) interviews in October 2019, subsequent events would probably have unfolded differently. Why didn't he?
Durham's prosecutions of Sussmann and Danchenko (as I observed in real time) were ill-conceived and waste of time.
the points above are necessarily fine-grained.
In Durham appearance before Congress, Democrats consistently cited number of indictments and convictions obtained by Mueller as vindication of the Crossfire predicate
also contrasting to Durham flop.
Rs failed to ask the obvious retort questions: 1) how many indictments or convictions were obtained by Mueller in regard to the ostensible Crossfire predicate - collusion of Trump campaign officials with Russia? Answer, of course, is zero.
2) which tax case was pursued more diligently: Paul Manafort or Hunter Biden? 3) which FARA case pursued more diligently: Paul Manafort or Hunter Biden?
4) why was Mueller about to require every (or almost all) Trump official to testify, but nearly all senior FBI or DOJ officials refused to be interviewed. 5) why did Trump officials have detailed recollection when asked by Mueller, while Comey and Dems "do not recall"
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a few months ago, I discussed the Biden-Poroshenko during 2016 transition in which Biden re-assured Poroshenko not to worry about FBI doing anything about Onyshchenko (Poroshenko's fugitive bagman who had the tapes) meeting with FBI.
in that thread (which is worth re-reading), I had noted a contemporary Ukrainian news article (cited in a FOIAed State Dept email) which stated that Onyshchenko's deal with FBI involved Andrew Weissman
in addition to being in possession of tapes between Biden and Poroshenko, Onyshchenko also claimed to have met with Zlochevsky to negotiate Poroshenko's cut of Burisma's licences and to have tapes kyivpost.com/post/10532
my recommendation for Durham research priority would have been investigation of Feb-May 2017 FBI "mis-statements, irregularities and omissions" (AFTER Danchenko interview) for "bad faith". In other words, what Barr said that Durham would do and was already doing.
I would have urged that the primary issue be stated as what duties of "full, true and plain disclosure" applied to FBI briefings of senior DOJ officials, congressional leaderhip and White House and whether they discharged such duties.
documents on FBI briefings has been almost entirely withheld. Inadvertently, FBI's March 8, 2017 Talking Points were included in an attachment to an otherwise innocuous Sussmann exhibit and these provide a starting point. (Durham withheld Danchenko exhibits to avoid recurrence)
As readers are well aware, for years now (against much pushback from readers) I said that Russiagate hoax should have been investigated as an "intelligence failure" and that exclusive criminal track focus would be a disappointment. Look at this Durham finding.
within one year, the WMD Commission, unencumbered by criminal focus, produced a cogent analysis of how U.S. intel agencies had got their WMD assessment so wrong. The agencies admitted the intelligence failure.
I've long taken position that it was much more important to understand why intel agencies had got their assessments so wrong than to obtain criminal convictions and that thirst for criminal convictions would result in neither. As has happened.
Durham reported July 29, 2016 meeting between Elias/Sussmann of Perkins Coie and "Fusion GPS personnel". Did you notice the important attendee that Durham neglected to mention?
the omission - obviously - was Christopher Steele himself. I wonder why Steele was omitted from Durham narrative here.
Durham's narrative associated the July 29, 2016 meeting with Perkins Coie with the Alfa Bank hoax - an interesting but relatively minor component of Russiagate hoax in which Durham over-invested. A much more component of this meeting was Steele visit to Perkins Coie.
@Weaponization Exhibit 0243 (Sussmann) is incomplete and redacted version of [Priestap?] notes from ~Sep 19, 2016. It omits topics 2 and 3. FBI documents of its contemporary "intelligence" on hoax are rare and mostly withheld. Try to get all docs on this briefing. And others.
A couple of observations on this document. Agenda item (1) is obviously about the then recent visit to FBI by Sussmann and Todd Hinnen of Perkins Coie. (Hinnen has attracted little attention thus far.)
Agenda item (4) is about Steele reporting. What are agenda items (2) and (3)? One of them is probably about Papadopoulos and Australian reporting. What did they say then? What's the other item? Manafort and Black Ledger? Worth finding out.
Durham Report is //FIRST// citation of FBI-302 for August 2, 2016 interview of Downer and Thompson (by Strzok and Pientka). Wasn't cited or mentioned by Mueller, SSCI or Horowitz. It was critical interview. Durham/@Weaponization need to release full 302.
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2/ Durham says that Israeli diplomat Christian Cantor introduced Papadopoulos to Erika Thompson on //May 6, 2016//, citing Oct 9, 2019 interview with Thompson and FBI-302 for Aug 2, 2016 meeting.
3/ SSCI stated that it did "not have any indications as to where they met or what they discussed", only that a Monday, May 9, 2016 email from Erika to Pap thanked him for "meeting on Friday", which they assessed as May 6, 2016.