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Want to know why $SE is down 25% today?

It's actually simpler than you think...⤵️ Image
Three years ago, $SE had a GOLDEN opportunity.

E-Commerce was a nascent business for $SE, but the pandemic made it ENORMOUSLY important.

$SE's Shopee (think Amazon) saw orders and GMV more than double.

It had a leading position in SE Asia Image
The company had secondary offering 2021 bringing cash to $10B +

*IF* it had spent that cash on a SE Asia Fulfillment network, it would have secured its future.

🛑FULL STOP

But it didn't do that

It pursued low-quality growth in Europe, France -- even the US

Terrible decision! Image
These forays grew revenue, but there was NO MOAT surrounding these far-flung businesses.

And meanwhile, by not investing in SE Asia fulfillment, competitors like Lazada and even TikTok were given an opportunity.

Yes, building fulfillment = slower growth. But also SUSTAINABILITY Image
By end of 2022, Forrest Li realized some problems

🎮 Gaming division saw growth plummet
🏦Cash pile was down to ~$6B
📉 FCF was ~($2 billion)

Low-quality e-commerce revs dried up
Moat around SE Asia ecommerce was weak

But he needed profits fast!

What did he do?
He pulled off a miracle.

Went from huge FCF losses to gains in just two quarters

HOW?

1️⃣ Slash sales and marketing by ~60%
2️⃣ Increase fees like crazy for Shopee users

It did the trick in the short-run, but may have been a long-term death nell Image
Would YOU use Shopee with such price increases?

Since fulfillment wasn't built out, the only moat = brand.

But Li was tarnishing brand

Wall St didn't care, though, it loved the profitability. Shares jumped ~90% in a few months Image
But if you only satisfy Wall Street -- and not your CUSTOMERS, the chickens will eventually come home to roost.

That's what's happening now.

Core marketplace revs were up 37% -- but that's off price increases.

Gross orders were only up 10%
And NOW Li says he's investing in fulfillment - 3️⃣ years too late

If they pull it off, today's prices look VERY tempting

But I won't be putting a dime in.

$SE squandered of a GOLDEN opportunity due undisciplined sales grabs across the globe.

There are better places for my $$
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Aug 3
You can buy one of these two stocks.

Company A:
🟢 P/E = 82
🟢 10 Year EPS growth rate = 27% annually

Company B:
🔵 P/FCF = 15
🔵 10 Year FCF growth rate = 46% annually

Read on to see the companies...
The catch:

No matter who you voted for, IT WAS THE SAME COMPANY.

MercadoLibre $MELI

"But how in the world can there be such a difference?"

Let's investigate:
We'll use the annual report as a proxy.

As you can see there was a huge difference between

🔴 Net Income = $482 million
🟢 Cash from Operations = $2,940 million
🔵 Free Cash Flow = $2,486 million

How could this be? Image
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I own 19 stocks

Here they are, from most to least "expensive":
1️⃣ 9️⃣: DataDog $DDOG

Percent of port: 6%
Total Return: 200%

Valuation comment:

🟢Assuming 20% rev growth annually for next 10 years
🔴Needs 42% FCF margin by 2033 -- VERY high Image
1️⃣ 8️⃣: Tesla $TSLA

Percent of port: 2%
Total Return: 30%

Valuation comment:

🟢Assuming 12% discount rate
🔴Needs FCF to go from $6B today to $143B in 2033! Image
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Jul 27
Tesla's valuation is borderning on CRAZY.

Here's why:
Most people look at these ratios and stop all valuation work

🔴 P/S: 10
🔴 P/E: 75
🔴 P/FCF: 150

Yes, they are high.

But Tesla's ALWAYS had high ratios.

We need to look at another VALUATION metric to see how truly crazy the situation is becoming
That metric: A Reverse Discounted Cash Flow Analysis.

You input:
⚫ Stock price
⚫ FCF (TTM)
⚫ Discount Rate (annual return you demand)
⚫ Terminal Growth Rate (growth rate beyond 2033)

The output:

🟢 Implied FCF growth rate over next decade

You ask: Image
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Jul 25
I own 19 stocks.

Many are considered expensive...

But one stands out...
That stock is DataDog $DDOG

Some point to its ratios as making it expensive:

🟢P/S Ratio: 20
🟠forward P/E Ratio: 94
🔴P/FCF: 103

Those are all HIGH. But the last two mean almost NOTHING for $DDOG. Here's why...
Datadog is solidly in STAGE 3 of the business growth cycle.

Most recent quarter:

Rev: 33% growth
Gross Profit: 32% growth
Operating Income: Slightly Negative
Net Income: Slightly Negative
Share Count: Up 2%

Op Image
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Jul 23
The S&P 500 is up 18% this year.

Is the market overvalued?

History says, "Yes...by 60%!"

Here's why "History" is wrong: Image
Today is fundamentally different than 1870 - 1929.

Back then:

👮 There was no SEC
🧮 Data was extremely limited
💸 Only the uber-rich invested

It was more akin to gambling in the Wild West Image
So how did investors make any decisions?

DIVIDENDS.

It was the only way a company could prove they made money.

Back then, the average yield was 6% Image
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Jul 21
I bought shares of $AMZN in 2010.

My first purchase -- 200 shares -- was $1,100 total.

Today, those shares are worth $27,000!

But here's why I'm *NOT* adding any right now: Image
First, I evaluate the company on my Antifragile Framework.

Amazon's score of 11.5 makes it a high quality holding.

How did it get there? Image
My framework:
1️⃣ Barbell technique (mission statement, moat, optionality) - (1) to 10 points
2️⃣ Financial Fortitude (Net Cash & FCF, Single point of failure) - (4) to 1 point
3️⃣ Skin in the game (role of founder, Glassdoor, ownership) - (2) to 3 points
4️⃣ Valuation - (1.5) to 1.5
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