Trent Telenko Profile picture
Aug 20 23 tweets 9 min read Twitter logo Read on Twitter
I've done threads on the S-200/5V28 in the ground to ground role previously, but I've yet to do so for the recent Kerch Bridge strike.

This🧵will change that.

1st - Black smoke is consistent with a 5V28 due to the combustion of the
1/

Image
...remaining AK-27P/TG-02 propellants. So we are looking at four 5V28 Kerch missile impacts.

These hypergolic propellants let a late model 5V28 missile engage a SR-71 Blackbird traveling at Mach 3 at a range of 345 km with a 5 minute time of flight.

2/
censor.net/en/photo_news/…

Image
Image
And we ARE NOT seeing any black clouds in the air indicating a successful Russian SAM engagement of a 5V28.

No black smoke in the sky = No Russian SAM hits on a 5V28 missile.

3/
At least two 5V28 missiles hit the Kerch Bridge such that both the road and rail bridges are now closed, plus most maritime traffic is now stacking up south of the Kerch bridge.

4/
There are reasons for this starting with the fact the 7 ton 5V28 missile has a 217 kg (478 lb) spherical ball bearing jacket warhead as standard equipment.

The important thing here is the 5V28 was ACCURATE.

Accurate enough to hit a 12 or 14 metre wide bridge span.

5/ Image
Assuming the two assumed misses were due to inaccuracy, and the definition of circular error probability says 50% impacting inside a circle with a radius of the value of the CEP.

5V28 order of magnitude at Kerch value should be around CEP = 6-7 metres, or CEP = 19.7-23 ft.

6/
Image
Image
These are outstanding results for a modified 1980s long range SAM, whether equipped with either a home grown GPS/laser ring gyro (RLG) guidance package, or an digital scene mapping electro optic (EO) seeker that was repurposed from a Grom/Hrim and installed, isn't known.

7/ Image
Given the open source data on GNSS jamming at the Kerch Bridge, Ukraine would have to make use of a controlled reception pattern antenna (CRPA).

CRPAs work by making use of the fact that the desired satellite signals,

8/
gpsworld.com/anti-jam-techn…
...& the jamming signals arrive from different directions.

In other words, a CRPA removes signals that arrive from particular directions (ground), whilst letting through signals from other directions (the sky).

9/ Image
This is the best Ukrainian language youtube video on the Grom-2/Hrim-2 seekers that Google could find for me:

10/
And this is the best written, Ukrainian language, article on the Grom-2/Hrim-2 seekers from the same Google search:

11/
mil.in.ua/uk/%D1%80%D0%B…
Image
The 5V28 main engine is throttled down for cruise once the missile has climbed to its intended altitude.

Exactly how much propellant is left in the tanks on impact depends on distance / ToF and what cruise thrust setting was programmed into the autopilot.

12/
Theoretically, a S-400 battery can probably bag a 5V28, as could an S-300PM2 or S-350 if the engagement geometry is right.

This did not happen.

As the S-300P/V/S-400 SAMs were ineffective.
Ukraine had to do something to fox them.

13/
So the Ukrainian had either some sort of ejectable decoys like the Iskander, or onboard jammers. [Note that the Soviets put X-band jammers into most of their supersonic naval ASCMs]

The only other alternative is mind boggling missileer incompetence🤷‍♂️

14/
As for the 5V28 weapon effects, the Kerch Bridge structure had to absorb the momentum of the impacting 5V28 at some velocity between 2-3 Mach, releasing its KE into about 1 square meter of bridge surface, followed tens of milliseconds later the overpressure pulse of the

15/
...warhead and then followed by the heat pulse of the combusting AK27P/TG02 propellants.

The 5V28 air vehicle mass, once the SRBs are dropped, with full internal fuel is ~3,900 kg i.e. just under 4 tons, of which ~2,186 kg is liquid propellant in the main tanks.
The 5V28 missile turbogenerator has a separate fuel supply using the same propellants to run missile systems for 5 minutes.

So the mass of the unfueled air vehicle, including 217 kg W/H, will be around ~1,770 kg.

16/ Image
Based on a reasonable range estimate, the remaining 5V28 fuel on impact will be maybe 10-20% of total fuel load at Kerch Bridge impact.

Using the 10% fuel load number, we are looking at a 5V28 impact mass of ~1989 kg.

17/ Image
Picking Mach 2.5 or ~830 m/s as the median impact velocity, that works out to be 685 megajoules of kinetic energy.

For reference, a 120mm tank gun delivers 12-13 MJ of kinetic energy at the muzzle.

While the 16 inch gun on the USS Iowa delivered 301 M/J at the muzzle.

18/
Image
Image
And then the weapons effects get much worse, not due to the 217 kg warhead, but because of the propellent.

The two component AK-27I/TG-02 hypergolic fuel is toxic, carcinogenic, corrosive,   inflammable and dissolves concrete by making it take in H2O.

19/ausairpower.net/APA-S-200VE-Ve…
Somewhere between 29 to 58.6 kg of Triethanolamine (TEA) is going to be blasted into the well fractured concrete & steel Kerch bridge structure by the 5V28's 685 M/J impact and 200 kg of explosive payload.


20/ sciencedirect.com/science/articl…
Image
While some of the TEA will evaporate relatively quickly.

That which is in the impact/explosion zone is going to deeply contaminate the impact induced fractures going deep into the Kerch Bridge structure.

21/
Russia's Kerch Bridge is chemically contaminated with a hypergolic propellent that is now destroying its structural integrity.

And there is nothing Russia can do to stop it.

22/22 End

• • •

Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to force a refresh
 

Keep Current with Trent Telenko

Trent Telenko Profile picture

Stay in touch and get notified when new unrolls are available from this author!

Read all threads

This Thread may be Removed Anytime!

PDF

Twitter may remove this content at anytime! Save it as PDF for later use!

Try unrolling a thread yourself!

how to unroll video
  1. Follow @ThreadReaderApp to mention us!

  2. From a Twitter thread mention us with a keyword "unroll"
@threadreaderapp unroll

Practice here first or read more on our help page!

More from @TrentTelenko

Aug 19
While "first reports are always wrong," there is more good news here than possibly two Backfire bombers (Tu-22m3) detonating under this reported AFU drone strike.

Russian missile tech🧵⬇️
1/7
Image
While some media sources are claiming that either Tu-22m3 or a fuel depot were hit. The smoke rising from is the wrong color for that.

Burning jet fuel is black.

The smoke rising from the VKS Soltsi military airfield isn't black. What's burning?
2/7
en.defence-ua.com/events/a_drone…
Image
The answer is a bunch of these. These are Kh-22 (or X-22) anti-ship cruise missiles used on Cold War Backfire bomber to hunt USN Carriers.

Their warheads use the plastic explosive known as RDX.

The smoke over Soltsi military airfield is consistent with burning RDX.

3/7
Image
Image
Read 8 tweets
Aug 18
Looks like DC's "de-escalation" faction that is centered on the National Security Council is out in force the last couple of days in conducting another campaign to trash the Ukrainian arms.

You can tell by all the logical fallacies & fictitious data.

1/washingtonpost.com/national-secur…
I mean, look at this:



2/nytimes.com/2023/08/18/us/…
...and compare it to this report on the shortages of whole blood in Moscow hospitals due to the superior battlefield weapon effects of US/Turkish cluster munitions in Ukraine.🙄

AFU vs RuAF casualty ratios matter.🤦‍♂️

3/
Read 19 tweets
Aug 10
This Ukrainian article titled "Russians in Ukraine's south cannot cope with huge number of wounded" is useful in showing how Russia is using occupied hospital facilities to the exclusion of medical treatment of Ukrainian civilians.

RuAF CasEvac🧵

1/
pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/…
This Reddit post has a captured Rostov-on-the-Don aerial evac-point video that is notable for the lack of medical support.

1. No intravenous fluids
2. No obvious medical people working
3. No food, just water
4. Thin/Malnourished RuAF wounded

2/
reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVi…
5. No shelter whatsoever from the sun, wind, jet blast, or rain.
6. The stated cause for the hours long delay was a Ukrainian drone attack on Moscow.

3/


Image
Image
Image
Image
Read 11 tweets
Aug 8
Now we know where RuAF is now shipping its fuel & ammo now that Crimean ground lines of communication (AKA bridges) have been interdicted.⬇️

A Russian logistical desperation🧵
1/
The Russians are now dependent on occupied Ukrainian civilian ISO container export facilities at Berdyansk to bring in supplies to their Army.

2/

We should be looking for a similar Russian SAM battery reinforcement for the port of Mariupol.

RuAF truck convoys from both ports are the only real option for the next month or so to maintain their current front lines in Zaporizhzhya.

3/
Read 8 tweets
Aug 7
This is a fine working example of Russian "Reflexive Control" information operations at work in the American media⬇️

1/4
I've been referencing this Timothy L. Thomas' article "Russia’s Reflexive Control Theory and the Military" as it is the seminal work on the subject of explain how Russia pollutes non-Russian info-spaces.

This is the killer 'graph from the article.

2/4

https://t.co/42Sf5khiRb
Image
American media outlets and DC think tank types are both extraordinarily vulnerable to such filter control efforts.

This is Timothy L. Thomas' take on how successful the Russian have been with the DC "Defense Analysts" in the nuclear arms/arms control policy making community.
3/4 Image
Read 5 tweets
Aug 7
The @TheDeadDistrict X-account has a real point here about the difference between Ukrainian trenches and Russian ones.

Simply put, the Ukrainians have competent, late WW2, Soviet era trench works and the Russian Army does not.

Russian fortifications🧵
1/
https://t.co/vWNIVCqWjR

Image
Image
I did this thread on July 2nd 2023 pointing out the lack of deployed barbed wire in Russian trench fighting positions.


2/
The Ukrainian trench fighting positions @TheDeadDistrict showed in his photos were very much the the two man fighting & crew served weapon positions ahead of the fighting trench - "Bracelet & Bangles" - characteristic of late WW2 field fortifications.

3/
Read 17 tweets

Did Thread Reader help you today?

Support us! We are indie developers!


This site is made by just two indie developers on a laptop doing marketing, support and development! Read more about the story.

Become a Premium Member ($3/month or $30/year) and get exclusive features!

Become Premium

Don't want to be a Premium member but still want to support us?

Make a small donation by buying us coffee ($5) or help with server cost ($10)

Donate via Paypal

Or Donate anonymously using crypto!

Ethereum

0xfe58350B80634f60Fa6Dc149a72b4DFbc17D341E copy

Bitcoin

3ATGMxNzCUFzxpMCHL5sWSt4DVtS8UqXpi copy

Thank you for your support!

Follow Us on Twitter!

:(