Some musings on myeloma therapy after coming back from ASCO and EHA 2023 (a bit old now). Most of the interesting data used T cell therapies (CARTs and bispecific). A thread with my candid impressions, and without much curation.
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*** The critical importance of IVIG replacement ***
In many trials, most patients were not replaced (~30-40% were). We must do better, and are now working on this with our nurses. SQ administration seems attractive?
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Some centers routinely replace with IVIG when patients are being treated with bispecific antibodies, regardless of the baseline IgG serum concentration. Don't omit in cases of IgG MM with elevated IgG?
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Some trials and centers are contemplating early tocilizumab. With teclistamab, the rate of Grade 2 was the same and thus questionable if beneficial? With cevostamab it decreased CRS G2 by 50%. The jury is still out there.
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It may be a "fluke" but there may be a signal of an association between toci and fungal infections, pretty much early on. Whether this represents the background of aggressive MM or a toci effect needs to be determined.
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These therapies show a higher risk of opportunistic infections that we think are T cell deficiency related, including adenoviral infections (fatal hepatitis in one case). Those T cells get exhausted!
Some expressed concern regarding the long-term use of steroids with bispecific Abs. Most said they would be OK administering it with doses 1 and 2, but then stop.
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The frequency of administration for bispecifics was discussed with a tendency to move to the same schedule as daratumumab – I like it! Maybe response-adjusted and as a good way to try to minimize toxicity. However, @NBahlis also reminded us it may also be more effective.
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The question of CMV monitoring remains. It seems many centers have moved away from routine measurement and will only test if symptoms arise. Often, one can see a low-level reactivation, and there is no therapy being provided yet for that.
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Several trials are looking at combinations. There is some concern but also some very intriguing possibilities. Dara combined with talquetamab (to control T-regs?) Not sold in the MOA but the empirical data (TRIMM-2) is quite interesting.
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Combinations of two bispecific antibodies with different targets seem promising. @mvmateos presented such data at ASCO and EHA. It looks promising. Concomitant? Sequentially/alternating? I would love to be able to use bispecifics in MRD+ post SCT.
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Other bispecific constructs are coming forward, such as an IgM (“multi-specific”) or smaller protein fragments that create a tighter bond.
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CARTITUDE-4 was presented at both ASCO and EHA and the data is quite good – PFS of 3 years. Much better than SOC. HR 0.26!
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Dr. @SusanBal9 presented intriguing data on their CART cell (BMS product) against GPRC5D. Good level of activity!
Other BA (Regeneron and Pfizer’s elranatamab) are looking very good and similar to teclistamab
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Right or wrong, two themes are arising:
I) "Use a CART before using a BA,"
ii) when considering infections, the more likely to cause is teclistamab, followed by cevostamab, and last talquetamab.
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An ide-cel trial addressing its use in suboptimal post-SCT looks very interesting. Deep and hopefully durable responses.
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Gamma secretase inhibitors did not look good. Dr. Jeff Matous a.ka. @MileHighMyeloma presented in combination with teclistamab, and toxicity was concerning. New schedules and doses are probably needed.
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** How to interpret MRD results reporting below LOD **
Finding a 0 (zero) result in the clonoSEQ assay is great. But sometimes a patient has a result of "Residual sequences detected at below (the) level of detection (LOD)"
What does this mean?
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How do we explain this to patients? I have found it difficult (technical), but let me share how I do it. If you think, "Who cares, the patient is negative at 10-^5." then this thread is not for you.
Is there disease in the background or not? It depends...
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The bottom line is the results are equivocal & it is impossible to tell. Yet, you can infer what is the most likely possibility.
BASELINE: The LOD is how good (unique) the sequence will be used as a tracker for MRD determination.
Several studies have recently reported on the prognostic significance of cPCs in patients with MM. The study of cPCs is of high relevance, but not new. For curation purposes only, I want to cite older studies #mmsm
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This will not be comprehensive or exhaustive but will provide a general framework for older studies making similar observations. The treatments were not as good, and the technology was older, but the conclusions seem to remain.
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(1962) Circulating plasma cells in multiple myeloma. A method for detection and review of the problem. D. Ginsberg.
I think we cure some MM patients (I know controversial) and some thoughts on how to get there with current therapies
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With median OS over 13 years for standard risk (Emory ASCO 2022) minimizing ENDURING toxicity is critical. Particularly peripheral neuropathy - bortezomib-induced. 2/x
Accordingly, I use KRD as the backbone. The data for QUADs is compelling, so I try to get coverage for Daratumumab-KRD. At this moment the MASTER trial has the best MRD- rates. Daratumumab-VRD is fine too. 3/x
WHAT IS THE RISK CLASSIFICATION OF THE t(11;14) in MM?
This has been a long-debated question and probably asked in the wrong way. I have always had a special interest in the t(11;14) and want to tell a story and how it relates to venetoclax. #mmsm#ASH19
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That year I convinced M Gertz to send me to Leiden, Netherlands to study t(11;14) via fiber-FISH- most elegant FISH assay. Only achievable by the great Dutch masters. At my return M Kuehl said “stop wasting your time & start doing interphase FISH.” Best advice! @MorieGertz 3/x
A quick "Tweetorial" regarding research of naturally occurring calcium isotopes to detect bone destruction. This is work we did in collaboration with brilliant scientists at @ASU including Drs @ArielAnbar@gwynnotpaltrow, Joe Skulan and others. 1/x #mmsm
I became interested as this technology as it could be used in the detection of bone disease in myeloma. Bone markers are not routinely used and imaging is like archeology; old news. Not archeology- work with geologists!
How do isotopes work? A few key principles.
Isotopes have natural different weight as some have extra neutrons (not radioactive). Most calcium in nature is 40Ca but there is 44Ca & 42Ca. As osteoblast consider these heavier isotopes, which one will they pick? By energy conservation, it stands they will pick the lighter!