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Nov 3, 2023 24 tweets 7 min read Read on X
The HICPAC Public Comments threaded.

I tried to do a quick synopsis. I will add more tomorrow. Please tag folks you recognize.

I apologize in advance for some very butchered spelling of names and brevity.

The value is not in my words - but theirs. Image
Here is the HICPAC schedule, so keep in mind that we still need to comment on their draft after tomorrow.

And without further adieu.... Image
Mary Germanus, @PeoplesCDC

Many HCWs refuse to mask, and continue to expose people. Are HICPAC and CDC prioritizing profits over our health?

Dr. Rosalie A Bright, retired federal epidemiologist. Nails almost every single point that I personally would have made.

Maria Castro has been avoiding healthcare because of current practices. HICPAC and CDC should be serving the public. They are not . They should be educating about the risks of Covid. They are not.

No places are requiring masking for vaccinations.
Zenei Triunfo-Cortez, nurse, President (if I heard that correctly) of @NationalNurses.

The CDC did not have the draft available before this meeting so there was no perspective from: Frontline nurses, immunocompromised, aerosol scientists, engineers, etc.
Eric Berg, Deputy Chief of Health for Cal OSHA. Very interesting sharing of Aerosol Law that is more protective and trumps CDC's recommendations. But many employers use CDC to skirt the law.

Cal OSHA recommended elastomerics for the PPE shortage.

Don Ford - our brains are vulnerable to SARS2, and it is respirators that protect the most against it.

(My apologies, you spoke very quickly, and I am tired).
Chloe Humbert - why do HCP say they are following CDC's guidelines in not actually masking up? Is the high-faluting HICPAC simply about saving money for the corporations - and has no patient advocates?

The HICPAC is Koch's Brownstone Institute.

Naomi Baryam, @TheWHN

It's no longer 2007, with a pandemic 80 years ago. We are in the middle of a pandemic. HICPAC needs more diverse voices.

@joaquinlife- calling for respirators, improve ventilation, bring back reporting of hospital acquired infections. By def, every patient is vulnerable.

Pharmaceuticals are not enough.

Megan Cunningham, mother of an immunocompromised child. SC2 is not the last pandemic. More are coming.

Having to beg for HCWs to mask up, who still refuse.

Jay Herzmurg (sorry!) - nurse, registered Industrial Hygenist,

IPC tends to just listen to itself. But physics is physics, and the laws of physics apply to healthcare. But, it's like talking to a TV.

Dr. Sharif, (also sorry!) nephrologist and physician.partnering with National Nurses United. HICPAC did not discuss LongCovid at all. Surgical masks can be as low as 8% IPE, but is being recommended as part of the Standard Transmission.

Lisa Foreman, nurse practitioner.
Half of all HCWs go to work with symptomatic Covid. Overall, over half of all transmission is with no symptoms.

Massive amount of preventive healthcare has been missed due to no masking in healthcare.

Danielle Pack, patient from Michigan. Caught Covid at a Dr office while seeking postpartum care.

HICPAC should be strengthening IPC as we are in the middle of a pandemic.

She has a great demand list! Eg. A few minutes of public comment at the END?

And let me add - I appreciated EVERY SINGLE COMMENTER. THEY ALL brought their A-game..
Christine Braille. Her son is immunocompromised and has LongCovid. Infected by his home infusion nurse who refused to mask properly.

Covid is airborne, definitively, and without question.

"We got to see the disease transmitting smiles of the Drs..."

Wow ...that is a must listen. Just wow.

Last one coming up.....
Dr. Andrew Wang, doctorate and masters in public health, of @PeoplesCDC.

Showed graciousness towards the HICPAC members, and urged more protection than less.

@PeoplesCDC My final take-away - we cannot go quiet into the night.

The 1918 pandemic, and many other pandemics are noted for the silence afterwards.

We must make our mark. Loudly and proudly.

We are still here. We deserve better from the hospital corporations, and the droplet
@PeoplesCDC dogmatists that still run the bulk of IPC.

They are wrong, but revolutions in thought take time and effort.

In the meantime, contact your local representatives and ask them why an illegal committee is setting policy minus key input.

Tweet at them.
usa.gov/elected-offici…
@PeoplesCDC Call them the next day.

Email them the 3rd day.

You can have a much bigger impact than you think!
@PeoplesCDC This @DrJudyStone article is a great starting point that lays out the issue cogently.

forbes.com/sites/judyston…

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Jun 1
A thread on airborne Ebola - the rest is accurate.

Let me emphasize that I agree far more than disagree with her, in general.

Declaring a thing debunked without actually debunking it, with facts, is not debunking.

So, let me debunk this. Image
Dr. Kuppila has excellent credentials, and has earned her laurels.

If we accepted the debunking of airborne Ebola on the basis of credentials, we would have given into the fallacy of appeal to authority.

:) not today.

She worked in an Ebola Treatment Unit in Sierra Leone,
coming back in December 2014, and now resides in Dallas per her very interesting StatNews article:



She did not get infected. We could have survivorship bias here - fortunately.

This is a reference to possible surgical mask usage by her.

You see, the web.archive.org/web/2026052103…Image
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May 28
Ebola - it's not all about respiratory aerosols.

DYK that you, and me, and everybody are Pig Pen from Charlie Brown?

We shed our entire outer layer of skin every 2-4 weeks, about 500 million cells daily.

Your corneocytes (outermost cells) lift off of your body with the
gentlest of micro-air currents. Like a leaf picked up off the ground for the briefest of moments in fall.

They act like 12 micron aerosols in float time, but 25% of total skin flakes are sub 5 microns...and you know what that means. Deep deposition - or shallow as
sub 5 likes to also deposit in the nose.

It's funny...I embrace push-back in debate. Tightens up my game.

Imagine if those skin flakes now have Ebola on them?

Two studies show that Ebola literally oozes through the skin - both ways. In and out.

Not shown in vivo, but
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May 23
The WHO forbids contact tracers from masking or gloving up.

"Do not conduct home visits wearing personal protective equipment like masks, gloves, or
gowns."

It gets worse. Do not conduct home visits wearing personal protective equipment like masks, gloves, or  gowns.
They have a handy how to reduce risk of catching ebola at home.

It even has 5 masks listed on it.

But not for the other family members.

"7. If the patient has vomit, diarrhoea or bleeding, a mask or a dry towel wrapped around the face can be used to protect the nose and mouth Image
7. If the patient has vomit, diarrhoea or bleeding, a mask or a dry towel wrapped around the face can be used to protect the nose and mouth when touching the patient or items soiled with blood or body fluids. A waterproof gown, eye protection, gloves and rubber boots should also be worn in these circumstances.
Here are the 5 face masks. Image
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May 22
The "epidemiology" of Ebola tells us that it's not airborne. You've heard this over and over.

What drives it? The questions on the contact tracing form.

Quick 🧵. Image
COVID - the WHO and CDC said it wasn't airborne via aerosols, right?

The CDC said it was spread person to person via close contact - within about 6 feet.



And you remember it took FOREVER to get changed.

The contact tracing form was web.archive.org/web/2020032817…Image
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arranged around close contact. These are the questions driving the stats of how many and how are infected.



So, the CDC will only hear back what it's asking. This was the epidemiology of COVID - until it wasn't. web.archive.org/web/2020052514…Image
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May 20
Speaking of silly, can we agree that the WHO has Ebola experts?

Let's talk about PPE, and a bias towards "less PPE is better." Image
The WHO EBOLA IPC guidance:


Foreshadow on PPE

"...due to the desirability of an off-
the-face design, and not for protection from aerosols, respirators may be used instead of medical masks"who.int/publications/i…
If you can stay 3 feet away while screening? No medical mask needed. Image
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May 10
Great article by @EmilyJoshu here.

Emily, there's another article in this that's even more shocking.

The aerosols from milking have long been discussed by many of us on X.

People like myself, @sri_srikrishna, @AbraarKaran have long advocated for comfortable aerosol
protective gear like PAPRs. But, have been ignored by the USDA who, of course, thought it was only contaminated milking gear like the claw.

But there is one more source of aerosols besides cow breath.

The wastewater. When you spray anything you generate huge amounts of Image
aerosols. And that farm wastewater, filled with milk dumped from being full of H5N1, gets reclaimed and reused.

Those milk and wastewater lagoons are on most dairy farms (my grandfather owned a dairy farm).

And there's something you should know.

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