@Ewelsh16 @1984_nate @BBehnke84 @13thconcept_ @JingoJango6 Hold on: Notice in 1Jn 5:13 it says “these things”? Context. Those who are to know have “the witness” in them. What witness? (V6-10) And going further back, what are they doing? Overcoming v4-5, Loving God & loving Others & keeping His commandments v1-2,4:19-21
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@Ewelsh16 @1984_nate @BBehnke84 @13thconcept_ @JingoJango6 And in v11-12 the eternal life is “in the Son”, so it would be pretty darn important to make sure one was “in the Son” or they wouldn’t have eternal life. Cf. John 15:1-14. They must abide, or be “cut off”. Abide=continue, remain. No Son, no eternal life. No abiding, cut off.
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@Ewelsh16 @1984_nate @BBehnke84 @13thconcept_ @JingoJango6 Those that are Christ’s, who actually know Christ personally, know He is inside of them by His Spirit. It is not a matter of quoting a verse (5:13 & Eph 1:13-14) to have a mental knowledge of Him, but He’s a tangible knowable reality for a disciple.
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@Ewelsh16 @1984_nate @BBehnke84 @13thconcept_ @JingoJango6 Disciples are obedient to Christ because that is what it means to “love Christ”, just as we are commanded in 1 Cor 16:22 & John 14:15-21.
If we did not obey Christ, we would not be loving Him.
Quoting a verse to prove to yourself you are “saved” only proves you miss the mark.
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@Ewelsh16 @1984_nate @BBehnke84 @13thconcept_ @JingoJango6 Since you love 5:13 so much to “know” you have eternal life, know Christ, and are “in Him”, lets move on to v14-15 for a moment. How about those verses for your “proof” of this “knowing” you say you have? Does He hear you? Does He answer? Do you have what you ask for from Him?
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@Ewelsh16 @1984_nate @BBehnke84 @13thconcept_ @JingoJango6 How about this test? To know Him is eternal life, and in Him is eternal life, so you must abide “in Him” to hold on to eternal life, and to abide in Him you must keep His commandments, and therefore you will have His Spirit & witness continue in you. Jn 15:1-14 or be cut off. 6/6
@jdruva41 @joecast50967150 Not so. Using James 2:10 like that is part of the deception of “sin” which hardens your heart. Read John 5:16-17 and tell me what is a “sin unto death” and a “sin not unto death”? Then read 1Cor 6:9-20.
Not all sin is the same as another.
Some leads to death. Some eternally.
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@jdruva41 @joecast50967150 Even reject, lust against, quench, grieve, resist, insult, lie to, blaspheme of Holy Spirit, shows there is a progression and differing outcomes for these sins.
That which is not of faith is sin.
He who knows to do good, and does it not, it is sin.
Not all sins are the same.
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@jdruva41 @joecast50967150 The ugly flip-side of OSAS is to later say to the same individual who has “fallen away” and “fallen short of the grace of God” that, tho they believed the false OSAS doctrine, they “were never saved in the first place”, & inoculated from the gospel to go away to live in sin. 3/3
@thomasitsok I could see how that might happen, yes. I think I hear what you are saying. But our faith must carry us thru, based on a, dare I say, “mystical” or “spiritual” or “experiential” knowledge of Him that we cannot deny is real. That He is real. They we would die before denying Him.
@thomasitsok A relationship is something experienced that you know first hand. It is not merely in words, or memorized phrases, or doctrinal statements, creeds, systemic theologies, or propositional truth affirmed to mentally. You must be born again. HE must live INSIDE of you.
@thomasitsok We must weep for all like Nicodemus…so close to the word of God— even standing in front of Him— and in the pages of the Law and the Prophets, and yet blinded from wholly following after Him, the Pearl of Great Price in the field awaiting to be purchased with a surrendered life.
@deadwithchrist @SavedAtHisDeath Yes, “after”, but that passage does not say how long afterwards before the Ephesians were so “sealed” after hearing and trusting, nor what other mechanisms were involved (if any).
Does belief as the devils do result in regeneration & infilling of Holy Spirit, James 2:19?
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@deadwithchrist @SavedAtHisDeath Isn’t it curious that so many rely upon this verse to prove to themselves they must be “saved” because they were “sealed”, and yet entirely ignore His other “seal” for them to “depart from iniquity”?
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@deadwithchrist @SavedAtHisDeath Surely the apostles to whom Jesus appeared and the 500 hundred other witnesses to His resurrection, and the 120 in the upper room HAD ALREADY BELIEVED before the day of Pentecost? And the apostles received His Spirit privately when Jesus breathed on them before Pentecost.
@thomasitsok @biblelinemin I believe the Bible is clear in that regard:
Yes it is possible, but we’d have to qualify what is a “Christian”, “salvation” & “sin”
Are they a “true Christian”?
Perhaps not
What is “salvation”?
Justified only?
How do we define “sin”?
Jam 2:10
But 1Jn 5:16-17
& Rom 14:23b
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@thomasitsok @biblelinemin The ‘children of God/The family” cult redefined “sin” so much so that “flirty fishing” by female members sleeping with outsiders to induce them to believe & follow Christ “in the name of love by faith” was no longer “sin”.
But, not all sin is the same (see prior verses)
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@thomasitsok @biblelinemin What I see on X, is Christians often espousing some form of OSAS which to me offers a lax attitude toward sin in the life of the believer.
There is more than one “seal”. Often the “seal” of the Holy Ghost is cited as proof they must have been saved and can never lose it.
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@sheaSwatson If I answered no, you would quote
1 John 1:10, and say Jesus is perfect.
If I answered yes, then would you quote James 2:10, and say Jesus is perfect.
The verses in the graphic still stand, either way, whether I am condemned or justified.
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@sheaSwatson Jesus is perfect. Christ Spirit is supposed to have renewed us, transferred us from darkness to the Kingdom of Love, and filled us with His Holy Spirit.
If He was holy, how is it we are not to be holy as well? We are to so walk!
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@sheaSwatson Let us gain confidence in who Christ is INSIDE of us and draw strength from Him, determined to run the race to obtain the prize, to attain and apprehended the same perfection Paul was pursuing.
Since Christ overcame all, and lives in us, how is it we cannot also overcome?
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@CuttingStraigh1 @jojofinger For OSAS, 1 Cor 15:1-4 is the end-all, “check-the-box”, “you’re-in”, “all good now, live your life” without regard to the expectations of what is SUPPOSED to happen to the SINNER and how they are to NOW live their lives as SAINTS because they are CHANGED to follow Christ 2Cor5:17
@CuttingStraigh1 @jojofinger For some, 1 Cor 15:1-4 is the ONLY GOSPEL to the exclusion of whatever any other New Testament author wrote, as if those other writers were at odds with true gospel. Instead of affirming, and seeing the other NT writers as complimentary, they are put at odds against Paul.
@CuttingStraigh1 @jojofinger But, as clearly shown in the graphic I provided, many of the verse citations are directly from Paul himself, and yet, some will still adopt an attitude they can live however they want to do so as if their belief in the gospel made no change whatsoever to them, denying it’s power