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Dec 4, 2023 26 tweets 9 min read Read on X
We still live in a society of geocentric creationists.

For 98% of people "evolution/Big Bang" just occupies the slot where "God" once did.

We must integrate the meaning of a snowball planet of alien creatures, battered by asteroids or worse.

A 🧵on the last 4.5 billion years:

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Some wacky people try to fit dinosaurs into 3000 BC.

"Scientifically rebutting" them is a meaningless achievement, because it fails to address the actual and very deep problem:

How can we possibly put the starting point of meaningful history *after* dragons walked the Earth? Image
"The science" fails to address this problem, instead downplaying such incredible facts into irrelevance.

People thus just replace the "God" Story with the new "Science" Story and continue believing meaningful history starts in 3000 BC—or 1619, 1776, or 1945.
This means there is functionally little difference between a Bible-thumping creationist and a typical secular person.

Neither is interested in the actual 4.5 billion years of Earthly history. Angels or dinosaurs are just a way to fill in the blank spaces so they can be ignored. Image
Not only are we implicit creationists with no interest in our primordial past, we are implicit geocentrists with no interest in other planets or stars.

Despite incredible scientific findings and new technology, modern society thus remains effectively medieval.

Cosmophobia. Image
There are good reasons to fear the actual cosmos, but they do not justify preferring imagined universes.

So what are the meaningful implications of the scientifically-learned history of the Earth?

To begin with, I think it basically disproves environmentalism…
The Earth has repeatedly terraformed itself into new worlds.

Earth has been a lava world and a water world, maybe orange and then purple, and, of course, a nearly-or-completely frozen-over "snowball" world.

Most of its history, the Earth was unrecognizable as the Earth.

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As with all such primordial history, nearly everything is far more of a "maybe" than a "certainly." But we know the Earth wasn't ever static.

This means the imagined Mother Earth is not a permanent place or planet, but just a temporary period of time. Image
The Gaia hypothesis is the idea that life itself affects Earth's climate and sustains the conditions for life in a single self-regulating system.

Intended or not, it has become the intellectual justification for quasi-religious "We Are All One" environmentalism. Image
But we are not all one: e.g. the introduction of oxygen into the atmosphere by aerobic bacteria was likely a total genocide of earlier organisms.

After that, the Earth [almost?] froze over at least twice, befuddling scientists as to how it didn’t just kill all life.
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Sure, you could say all this happened before the emergence of what we consider meaningful life i.e. land animals, ~500m years ago, which has since survived despite several extinction events.

But that is just again arbitrarily setting the starting point of meaningful history.
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If we take the Earth's full and actual history to be Mother Gaia harmoniously regulating herself, then this “self-regulation” includes occasional climatic genocide verging on extinguishing all life.

Doesn't actually seem very harmonious. Humanity likely wouldn't survive it.
To believe in Gaia-ism, you then need to morally equate human life with, like, deep-sea bacteria.

Because this might be the only life that survives "self-regulation."

This is really just a genocidal mindset towards humanity. No, we are not like cockroaches or bacteria.
It is perhaps not humans who are destroying the Earth, but the Earth that is very slowly trying to destroy humans!

You may just have to pick a side. Of course, many people would and do choose Gaia over humanity. But this does also make them anti-human.
Secondly, Earth is not a sanctuary or Garden of Eden for humanity.

Occasionally, asteroids do impact the Earth and just totally obliterate everything. Given a big enough asteroid, there might be nothing we could do to stop total extinction.

We are not safe here. Image
We know that 66 million years ago an asteroid 10-15 km wide smashed into what is today Mexico and killed, like, every animal on the planet that didn't live off of eating dead matter, including all the dinosaurs.

Talk about apocalyptic events. And this was relatively recent! Image
The Earth is constantly peppered by meteoroids. The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs is neither the largest nor oldest confirmed impact. Just look at the map.

It then seems like there is a decent chance of a catastrophic asteroid impact sometime during humanity's existence. Image
So what does this mean? Well, if God hated us… believe me, we would know!

Jokes aside, it implies we cannot reconcile our continued long-term habitation of Earth with low-tech primitivism.

We were cast out of Eden. Perhaps we might only rebuild it with anti-asteroid lasers.
It seems a little bit passé given the other gargantuan changes, but I should also note how plate tectonics constantly remake geography.

If you go back far enough, the Earth might as well be Narnia, Middle Earth, or Faerûn or whatever. Image
Finally, the Earth might, incredibly, not be unique.

Kookiness aside, the science says it is possible Venus and/or Mars used to have liquid surface water and thus maybe life—even before Earth!

It is also conceivable that life came to Earth from Venus or Mars on an asteroid.
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The Earth also has an expiration date for habitability.

The Sun is getting bigger and brighter and will slowly heat the Earth beyond the point where life as we know it can survive.

It might even happen relatively soon, in ~1 billion years.
That there is a definite endpoint to life on Earth, and that Earth may not be unique in hosting life on a billion-year timescale, could imply it is not habitable environments that create the conditions for life, but life that seeks out habitable conditions across space and time.
This logic can easily take you into kooky territory if projected backwards: alien-ish life hopping from Venus to Mars to Earth and beyond as planets die.

But it is perfectly sound projected forwards: humanity will eventually either figure out how to leave the Earth, or die out.
This is why we should not be geocentrists: humanity cannot be tantamount to Earth-Dwellers unless we intend to die out within a billion years.

The pessimist says we will kill ourselves somehow anyway long before. But why should we *intend* this? We should intend the opposite.
It is possible to view life as a fundamentally interplanetary phenomenon, as did some of the original pioneers of rocketry and space travel.

This obviously makes space exploration a fundamental existential priority, as I wrote in @palladiummag:
palladiummag.com/2023/08/16/the…
I won't pretend to have figured out the true cosmology and metaphysics. But we should be trying to actually figure it out based on scientific reality, not imagination or inertia.

This is likely the only path to ever see a mass religious awakening in the developed world again.

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It's clear that many people just have some kind of unhinged mental illness when it comes to the topic of modern China. They emotionally demand you believe Chinese people are lazy, bad at math, all Chinese economic growth is elaborate smoke and mirrors set up by the CCP, and, finally, we should pre-emptively bomb Chinese squid catchers selling to European markets serving American tourists. Not serious people.

I'll probably stop bringing it up so much because I think my followers get it and the claims have gotten so unbelievably and transparently stupid, but it's worth pointing out every now and again. It's important to be aware of your society's most common and serious epistemic failures and lines of propaganda. The rise of Chinese industry is one of this century's most important events and it demands careful and sober analysis.
I don't even consider myself a "China guy." But you don't need to be one to realize how asinine, fossilized, and bitterly belligerent this discourse is.
If you care about technology, industry, economic growth, or space ambitions that will only be possible thanks to these things, it is not suspicious to care about understanding the world's largest and fastest-growing industrial society—which is China. Them's the facts.
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Getting real tired of the "the only truly real and legitimate economic activity is banking and payments processing" crowd. I'm willing to entertain a lot of weird ideas and arguments, but the idea that manufacturing and industry isn't what fundamentally creates economic wealth..
How many economic ideologies and schools of thought are just financiers and bankers trying to raise their own social status?
This ideological space is as delusional about economics as Marxism is. You always end up with these moronic debates where they refuse to see physical goods and services as wealth since they cost too little, and insist that high spending and prices are ipso facto valuable.
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What's the real size of China's economy?

In @asiatimesonline, an analyst argues China's economy is twice as big as GDP figures say, because China's government statisticians intentionally minimize services figures, while Western ones include services fraud and waste as output. Image
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@asiatimesonline Western economists and statisticians take a maximally generous view of accounting for "services" "output," going so far as to include theft and gambling as economic output.

Chinese government statisticians do the opposite. But this doesn't mean Chinese services are that bad. Image
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"Real" and "PPP" GDP aren't objective and neutral metrics like "tons of steel produced" or "number of automobiles sold." They are opaque sausages put together by legions of economists and statisticians who make a litany of subjective decisions about what is or is not productive.
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The Balkans are weird because it's acceptable to be like "well obviously the problem with our country is that half of us are irredeemably grugheaded cavemen" and everyone just kind of nods and agrees like, yup, that's it, nothing can be done about it.
There is a whole serious discourse about who or what is and isn't "civilized" and who is and isn't a "primitive" (literal translation) or a "villager" in the Balkans. The weird thing is that it's not like we aren't all the same genetically and culturally. Self-hating, I guess.
Maybe a genetics/history autiste can disprove me and I will stand corrected, but my impression is that like other Eastern European societies, Balkan societies are basically highly egalitarian and homogeneous. That's what makes this discourse weird.
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It's not going to be a popular view but I credit about 95% of the "vibe shift" directly and solely to Elon. If you jog your memory a bit and think it through, his extremely vigorous and frequent live player actions are "what has changed." Live players are insanely underrated.
Based on this I predict that we will actually see even more shocking, unexpected, and unpredictable political changes in the next few years; thanks to Elon. That's what you should expect from a live player. Expect to be surprised!
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Hard to think of a clearer sign our society has gone too way far in the direction of feminized gerontocracy—rule by risk-averse grandmas and "wine aunts"—than a meme unironically calling four distinguished, grown-ass adult professionals "little boys" who need their mama. Enough!
"Who are these grandmas? And why are they in charge of our society?

A modern society relies on hard work, risk-taking, intellect, and industry, and is usually run by vigorous young and middle-aged men.

Boys, come get your grandmammies out of our government."
If calling distinguished 21-year-old men, fully-grown adult men with professional skills, accomplishments, and the legal rights to father children or die in combat, "little boys" is on the table, then I counter-propose we set age limits of 60 or 70 for key positions in gov't.
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