February 12, 2024 Crypto Open Patent Alliance v Dr Craig Steven Wright "The Satoshi Trial" Master Thread.
Monday, DAY 6.
PLEASE RETWEET FOR MAX CIRCULATION
Monday, DAY 6.
PLEASE RETWEET FOR MAX CIRCULATION
Mellor: "So, better temperature!" 3 emails were received over the weekend. First was from CAH, Second from Steve Shadders, Third from a Mr Bungé in Canada.
CAH offering a witness statement in response to allegations. Shadders offering a witness statement and Mr Bunge about a patent. Up to you if you want to bring these in.
COPA: We spoke with Shoosmiths last night, and we agree that CSW can be off the stand before we decide on various new things to be added, so they can be discussed with him. Also, Mrs Wright has discovered a new box of papers to bring into the case. Also, McFarlane's for the devs have brought up [sorry, I missed it]
Mellor: Well, I think you've been dealing with issues of privilege well, but I will rule if there's a struggle.
COPA: CSW: discussing OzMail and DeMorgan era when you worked with the Aussie Stock Exchange. Is this your CV?
CSW: Yes.
LOST AUDIO... WHOA! BACK ON VERY LOUD.
COPA: This is your CV with your stills in security?
CSW: It's a marketing document for a particular role. I have others for C++ and other development, code analysis, etc... Different resume for different things. Things like my work on P2P Nipper would be on another CV.
COPA: Here's your LinkedIn. Yes?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: IDS intrusion detection systems?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: On Friday, you said you ended up with the stock exchange was experience with VMS. Do you recognize this SANS interview?
CSW: Yes
COPA: Says here you managed security, firewalls... ASX taught me benefits of... I learned VMS at that time. Did you have extensive experience, or did you learn VMS at ASX?
CSW: Both. I was a cowboy until I learned how to run at a professional level at VMS.
COPA: this is a clear contradiction.
CSW: There's a different level of skill from academic to commercial. I did these things in college, etc...
COPA: In that interview, you also mention Lasseter's which closed in 2008, yes?
CSW: I believe so.
COPA: It was a security assignment with them?
CSW: Architecting systems that didn't exist before, but yes.
COPA: Here's your witness statement from McCormack trial. You mention ASX, SCADA stuff with Aussie gov and architecture for Lasseter, Centrebet... That's how you described it at the time?
CSW: Yes. High level with little detail.
COPA: You recognize this list of tasks for Lasseter?
CSW: This was the list of stuff DeMorgan would run. We had a distributed tripwire system and logging. It was the operation's team's job.
COPA: You said you proposed digital cash but left before it got implemented. But that's not mentioned anywhere.
CSW: It mentioned the environment. There was a logging system mentioned and that was a distributed hash tree structure with hourly blocks.
COPA: I'll ask again. Digital Cash didn't appear anywehre.
CSW: Not in a one-liner, but "architecture" includes that.
COPA: No doc with digital cash for Lasseter's
CSW: Token systems and digital cash are different, but it was never working at Lasseter's.
COPA: You mention Vodafone as well. Work DeMorgan was doing.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Risk assessments, security audits, etc...
CSW: This was the security CV, but not the development CV.
COPA: These are all straight forward IT Security
CSW: The resume you have from Gavin Andresen includes the token system and logging systems at Vodafone and PHD level coding projects. Again, hash chain based systems..
CAH offering a witness statement in response to allegations. Shadders offering a witness statement and Mr Bunge about a patent. Up to you if you want to bring these in.
COPA: We spoke with Shoosmiths last night, and we agree that CSW can be off the stand before we decide on various new things to be added, so they can be discussed with him. Also, Mrs Wright has discovered a new box of papers to bring into the case. Also, McFarlane's for the devs have brought up [sorry, I missed it]
Mellor: Well, I think you've been dealing with issues of privilege well, but I will rule if there's a struggle.
COPA: CSW: discussing OzMail and DeMorgan era when you worked with the Aussie Stock Exchange. Is this your CV?
CSW: Yes.
LOST AUDIO... WHOA! BACK ON VERY LOUD.
COPA: This is your CV with your stills in security?
CSW: It's a marketing document for a particular role. I have others for C++ and other development, code analysis, etc... Different resume for different things. Things like my work on P2P Nipper would be on another CV.
COPA: Here's your LinkedIn. Yes?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: IDS intrusion detection systems?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: On Friday, you said you ended up with the stock exchange was experience with VMS. Do you recognize this SANS interview?
CSW: Yes
COPA: Says here you managed security, firewalls... ASX taught me benefits of... I learned VMS at that time. Did you have extensive experience, or did you learn VMS at ASX?
CSW: Both. I was a cowboy until I learned how to run at a professional level at VMS.
COPA: this is a clear contradiction.
CSW: There's a different level of skill from academic to commercial. I did these things in college, etc...
COPA: In that interview, you also mention Lasseter's which closed in 2008, yes?
CSW: I believe so.
COPA: It was a security assignment with them?
CSW: Architecting systems that didn't exist before, but yes.
COPA: Here's your witness statement from McCormack trial. You mention ASX, SCADA stuff with Aussie gov and architecture for Lasseter, Centrebet... That's how you described it at the time?
CSW: Yes. High level with little detail.
COPA: You recognize this list of tasks for Lasseter?
CSW: This was the list of stuff DeMorgan would run. We had a distributed tripwire system and logging. It was the operation's team's job.
COPA: You said you proposed digital cash but left before it got implemented. But that's not mentioned anywhere.
CSW: It mentioned the environment. There was a logging system mentioned and that was a distributed hash tree structure with hourly blocks.
COPA: I'll ask again. Digital Cash didn't appear anywehre.
CSW: Not in a one-liner, but "architecture" includes that.
COPA: No doc with digital cash for Lasseter's
CSW: Token systems and digital cash are different, but it was never working at Lasseter's.
COPA: You mention Vodafone as well. Work DeMorgan was doing.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Risk assessments, security audits, etc...
CSW: This was the security CV, but not the development CV.
COPA: These are all straight forward IT Security
CSW: The resume you have from Gavin Andresen includes the token system and logging systems at Vodafone and PHD level coding projects. Again, hash chain based systems..
COPA: You were at BDO from 2004-2009.
CSW: 2008, actually.
COPA: CV describes your audit and consulting team, training and education, policy and digital forensics.
CSW: Yes
Mellor: You said you didn't prep these CVs. There's a lot of detail here. You didn't do this?
CSW: I had an EA at the time and had different CVs for different modules that the company worked in.
Mellor: The roles must have come from somewhere from you?
CSW: Yes, if the job was consulting focused, the prospect would get the consulting CV, and that would have been prepared from my records by my EA with some input from me.
COPA: Here's a conversation at CoinGeek Toronto with Jimmy Win. You were asked about working on bitcoin at BDO. Mentioning Alan Grainger and bringing him in on bitcoin stuff. Is this accurate?
CSW: I was paraphrasing the conversation, but yes.
COPA: From evidence in the Granath hearing, you said when you started the white paper, you hoped BDO would fund bitcoin related development.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You said the Grainger meeting was about bitcoin funding.
CSW: Yes
COPA: Was the meeting successful?
CSW: Not exactly, but he arranged further meetings with other people.
COPA: You mentioned meetings with Judith, Neville and Ian. You talked to them about bitcoin?
CSW: A hash chain system with economic security. I wouldn't have called it bitcoin at the time.
COPA: None have testified in court.
CSW: Neville was, and he said I pitched the system. Grainger has had death threats to him and his wife and won't say anything anymore. He was a director of a company doing bitcoin research, but won't speak due to threats and trolling.
COPA: Neville Sinclair said he had no recollection of an ecash system.
CSW: Timecoin was discussed. Bitcoin was not the end game. It's less than 1% of what I'm building. The system is timestamps, distributed integrity monitoring, etc... But I need scaled bitcoin for it to work.
COPA: There's no docs of this except for the forged Quill doc.
CSW: False. Ignatius Pang was also included and noted in my written docs. Ignatius discussed this with Steven Atkins and others...
COPA: We will hear from Pang later, but doesn't describe ever seeing docs pitching bitcoin to BDO.
CSW: It wasn't bitcoin at the time. It was Timecoin and focused on the hashchain system of logging. You're misrepresenting terms because I didn't go out to market with bitcoin as the concept but rather an extended commercial hash chain.
COPA: Why no glitzy Powerpoint for it?!
CSW: I don't do glitzy. Never have. I do text based papers. My marketing people do powerpoint.
CSW: 2008, actually.
COPA: CV describes your audit and consulting team, training and education, policy and digital forensics.
CSW: Yes
Mellor: You said you didn't prep these CVs. There's a lot of detail here. You didn't do this?
CSW: I had an EA at the time and had different CVs for different modules that the company worked in.
Mellor: The roles must have come from somewhere from you?
CSW: Yes, if the job was consulting focused, the prospect would get the consulting CV, and that would have been prepared from my records by my EA with some input from me.
COPA: Here's a conversation at CoinGeek Toronto with Jimmy Win. You were asked about working on bitcoin at BDO. Mentioning Alan Grainger and bringing him in on bitcoin stuff. Is this accurate?
CSW: I was paraphrasing the conversation, but yes.
COPA: From evidence in the Granath hearing, you said when you started the white paper, you hoped BDO would fund bitcoin related development.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You said the Grainger meeting was about bitcoin funding.
CSW: Yes
COPA: Was the meeting successful?
CSW: Not exactly, but he arranged further meetings with other people.
COPA: You mentioned meetings with Judith, Neville and Ian. You talked to them about bitcoin?
CSW: A hash chain system with economic security. I wouldn't have called it bitcoin at the time.
COPA: None have testified in court.
CSW: Neville was, and he said I pitched the system. Grainger has had death threats to him and his wife and won't say anything anymore. He was a director of a company doing bitcoin research, but won't speak due to threats and trolling.
COPA: Neville Sinclair said he had no recollection of an ecash system.
CSW: Timecoin was discussed. Bitcoin was not the end game. It's less than 1% of what I'm building. The system is timestamps, distributed integrity monitoring, etc... But I need scaled bitcoin for it to work.
COPA: There's no docs of this except for the forged Quill doc.
CSW: False. Ignatius Pang was also included and noted in my written docs. Ignatius discussed this with Steven Atkins and others...
COPA: We will hear from Pang later, but doesn't describe ever seeing docs pitching bitcoin to BDO.
CSW: It wasn't bitcoin at the time. It was Timecoin and focused on the hashchain system of logging. You're misrepresenting terms because I didn't go out to market with bitcoin as the concept but rather an extended commercial hash chain.
COPA: Why no glitzy Powerpoint for it?!
CSW: I don't do glitzy. Never have. I do text based papers. My marketing people do powerpoint.
COPA: Moving on to your LLM.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: I have addressed your dissertation including accounts that it contains plagiarism. Have you read this criticism?
CSW: Yes, from Greg Maxwell.
COPA: Is this text from your dissertation?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Do you see this from a Ms Pearson?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Comparing your papers, do you see they are identical except a single letter?
CSW: I do.
COPA: Do you accept the sections are virtually identical?
CSW: Yes, the footnotes contain references as well.
COPA: Looking at these, you accept there's another section with identical sections?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: This bit isn't in quotations.
CSW: This is a paraphrase.
COPA: Prodigy's offensive content filter here. There's a clear parallel.
CSW: Lots of people discuss these. They are paraphrased and Besley is cited. Pearson's work didn't come up in academics. It was from a blog, and it's cited anyways. The university saw it and cleared claims of plagiarism.
COPA: The initial versions didn't credit Pearson.
CSW: They did. The update removed her because EndNote was updated, but it was noted in the footnotes, but not the bibliography in the newer version.
COPA: We looked extensively at this and she isn't properly cited.
CSW: In this version... But it's in italics in that version.
COPA: Far from your claims, these passages show large plagiarism.
CSW: That's incorrect
COPA: Article from InfoSec Island in 2011. Under heading "Plagiarism is Stolen Property." You state that there are levels of plagiarism and you call it fraud and deception.
CSW: I did write that.
COPA: In your dissertation, you were engaging in literally block copy of paragraphs and theft.
CSW: The editor I was using didn't use EndNote. There are almost 200 references, but the software didn't cite blogs properly at the time. This was fixed.
Mellor: When you say EndNote didn't handle blogs, how did that impact?
CSW: Pearson didn't have an Academic paper. She had a blog post, but the editing service missed it, so there is a publication where she isn't properly cited, and a version where it is. It was not intentional.
COPA: You understand the importance of truth in a party statement in academic plagiarism, yes?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You referenced Painted Frog, yes?
CSW: Yes, Greg Maxwell.
COPA: In these sections, you copied whole passages.
CSW: No, I made block quotes referencing Pearson. You can see her ideas are even different than mine.
Mellor: Who were the Editors?
CSW: I'm not sure, but I used First Editor and a woman in Aus whose name I don't recall but can look it back up.
COPA: Here is the only place you address the accusations from Painted Frog.
CSW: Ok
COPA: Your excuses don't correspond to things said elsewhere.
CSW: There wouldn't be another explanation. Footnotes in editing. When I got it back, I should have double checked, so it's my fault.
COPA: In denying plagiarism, you're telling a lie.
CSW: I alerted the court and was open to the court from the beginning about this issue.
COPA: Have you disclosed any correspondence with editors?
CSW: No, but the public, published version is corrected.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: I have addressed your dissertation including accounts that it contains plagiarism. Have you read this criticism?
CSW: Yes, from Greg Maxwell.
COPA: Is this text from your dissertation?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Do you see this from a Ms Pearson?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Comparing your papers, do you see they are identical except a single letter?
CSW: I do.
COPA: Do you accept the sections are virtually identical?
CSW: Yes, the footnotes contain references as well.
COPA: Looking at these, you accept there's another section with identical sections?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: This bit isn't in quotations.
CSW: This is a paraphrase.
COPA: Prodigy's offensive content filter here. There's a clear parallel.
CSW: Lots of people discuss these. They are paraphrased and Besley is cited. Pearson's work didn't come up in academics. It was from a blog, and it's cited anyways. The university saw it and cleared claims of plagiarism.
COPA: The initial versions didn't credit Pearson.
CSW: They did. The update removed her because EndNote was updated, but it was noted in the footnotes, but not the bibliography in the newer version.
COPA: We looked extensively at this and she isn't properly cited.
CSW: In this version... But it's in italics in that version.
COPA: Far from your claims, these passages show large plagiarism.
CSW: That's incorrect
COPA: Article from InfoSec Island in 2011. Under heading "Plagiarism is Stolen Property." You state that there are levels of plagiarism and you call it fraud and deception.
CSW: I did write that.
COPA: In your dissertation, you were engaging in literally block copy of paragraphs and theft.
CSW: The editor I was using didn't use EndNote. There are almost 200 references, but the software didn't cite blogs properly at the time. This was fixed.
Mellor: When you say EndNote didn't handle blogs, how did that impact?
CSW: Pearson didn't have an Academic paper. She had a blog post, but the editing service missed it, so there is a publication where she isn't properly cited, and a version where it is. It was not intentional.
COPA: You understand the importance of truth in a party statement in academic plagiarism, yes?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You referenced Painted Frog, yes?
CSW: Yes, Greg Maxwell.
COPA: In these sections, you copied whole passages.
CSW: No, I made block quotes referencing Pearson. You can see her ideas are even different than mine.
Mellor: Who were the Editors?
CSW: I'm not sure, but I used First Editor and a woman in Aus whose name I don't recall but can look it back up.
COPA: Here is the only place you address the accusations from Painted Frog.
CSW: Ok
COPA: Your excuses don't correspond to things said elsewhere.
CSW: There wouldn't be another explanation. Footnotes in editing. When I got it back, I should have double checked, so it's my fault.
COPA: In denying plagiarism, you're telling a lie.
CSW: I alerted the court and was open to the court from the beginning about this issue.
COPA: Have you disclosed any correspondence with editors?
CSW: No, but the public, published version is corrected.
COPA: You worked at BDO until 2008?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: During then, you were also working on LLM
CSW: And 2 other masters degrees, a farm and Ridges Estate.
COPA: And your Mstat?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: And GIAC qualification?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: All extensively documented and presenting at conferences?
CSW: Yes
COPA: Blogging on IT security issues and such too?
CSW: yes
COPA: You posted 269 articles in 2008?
CSW: Yes, around that level every year until 2009.
COPA: And chapters in books on IT Security.
CSW: And 8 other books, yes.
COPA: And the Drive wipe Fallacy white paper with Dave?
CSW: And other author, yes.
COPA: Here's from your Dave Eulogy in 2013. Saying it took you 18 months of your life to produce the 2008 drive wipe paper.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Near end of your time at BDO, you emailed with SANS. Mr Northcutt asked what kind of job package would interest you. You said education and white papers.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Your longtime project would be to fix IT risk with new systems?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You wrote this?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: In 2009 another 97 papers to GIAC and blogs about consulting.
CSW: Yes, so I set up Integys but wasn't good at commercializing.
COPA: there is extensive proof of your academics, books and papers, your full time job. This is too demanding.
CSW: In 2022, I was doing 22 degrees and wrote 2000 papers and patents. Even amid this court case, I'm submitting 3 patents a week and working on 5 doctoral degrees. You think this work is hard, but I don't.
COPA: We're all very impressed...
COPA: But in your extensive docs, there's no digital cash referenced.
CSW: If you don't acknowledge Timecoin, Blacknet and other documents...
COPA: Satoshi was clear they were pushing out a simple digital cash system.
CSW: No.
COPA: You never said you were interested in cryptocurrency at these times.
CSW: Cryptocurrency can be built in bitcoin, but bitcoin isn't cryptocurrency. And I talk about these systems for token management, and the white paper explains it's a timestamp server. You think these txs must be monetary, but they needn't be.
TAKING A 5 MINUTE BREAK
CSW: Yes.
COPA: During then, you were also working on LLM
CSW: And 2 other masters degrees, a farm and Ridges Estate.
COPA: And your Mstat?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: And GIAC qualification?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: All extensively documented and presenting at conferences?
CSW: Yes
COPA: Blogging on IT security issues and such too?
CSW: yes
COPA: You posted 269 articles in 2008?
CSW: Yes, around that level every year until 2009.
COPA: And chapters in books on IT Security.
CSW: And 8 other books, yes.
COPA: And the Drive wipe Fallacy white paper with Dave?
CSW: And other author, yes.
COPA: Here's from your Dave Eulogy in 2013. Saying it took you 18 months of your life to produce the 2008 drive wipe paper.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Near end of your time at BDO, you emailed with SANS. Mr Northcutt asked what kind of job package would interest you. You said education and white papers.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Your longtime project would be to fix IT risk with new systems?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You wrote this?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: In 2009 another 97 papers to GIAC and blogs about consulting.
CSW: Yes, so I set up Integys but wasn't good at commercializing.
COPA: there is extensive proof of your academics, books and papers, your full time job. This is too demanding.
CSW: In 2022, I was doing 22 degrees and wrote 2000 papers and patents. Even amid this court case, I'm submitting 3 patents a week and working on 5 doctoral degrees. You think this work is hard, but I don't.
COPA: We're all very impressed...
COPA: But in your extensive docs, there's no digital cash referenced.
CSW: If you don't acknowledge Timecoin, Blacknet and other documents...
COPA: Satoshi was clear they were pushing out a simple digital cash system.
CSW: No.
COPA: You never said you were interested in cryptocurrency at these times.
CSW: Cryptocurrency can be built in bitcoin, but bitcoin isn't cryptocurrency. And I talk about these systems for token management, and the white paper explains it's a timestamp server. You think these txs must be monetary, but they needn't be.
TAKING A 5 MINUTE BREAK
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Mellor: Man Named George Sallitas is recording and transcribing. "loveisbitcoindotcom" he posts automatically. This is forbidden, and I look forward to him stopping immediately.
COPA: You mentioned you're working on 5 PHDs.
CSW: 1 in Geneve Business school on CBDC, Leister PHD in Law - trial has me behind - Exeter Math and Economics, Walden University Business DBA on interactions of micropayment systems, and at Grand Canyon University also a DBA in modeling of Bitcoin at Scale.
COPA: Thank you. In your witness statement, you mention you created bitcoin under a pseudonym because wary of the US government.
CSW: Among other things.
COPA: You said your mother, Uncle, David Bridges and Lynn also knew. You also sent drafts of the white paper to at least 21 people including work colleagues and other people like Kleiman and G Williams.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Students also knew you were Satoshi?
CSW: Some, not all.
COPA: Also people in the Aus Gov?
CSW: Yes, I presented on bitcoin to department of Finance and others on things like CBDC and VAT/GST systems.
COPA: So, it was more than a small circle.
CSW: Yes, but it wasn't revealed to the world at large. They were people who I knew.
COPA: That doesn't seem small.
CSW: It's pretty small.
COPA: You mention Visual Studio for developing bitcoin.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: People know bitcoin is C++
CSW: The code is.
COPA: You mention others who worked on code. You mention Mark Turner.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You haven't disclosed more?
CSW: I have, but you don't like handwriting. After 2015 with the hacks, I lost information. I found out Greg Maxwell had compromised my server.
COPA: You've been hacked 10 times?
CSW: Well, Satoshi with the GMX hack. A private conversation between me and Gavin about it is how he knew I was me when we met in person.
COPA: You haven't called any code engagement witnesses.
CSW: Ignatius did. Nobody interacted directly. There wasn't a Satoshi group. Hal gave help. Gavin hasn't retracted anything he has said, but everyone else came after release. There wasn't anyone else who interacted with bitcoin before its release.
COPA: You said in Granath case, when asked if you shared code.
CSW: I didn't early, but did later.
COPA: You're aware Trammel has disclosed his whole correspondence with Satoshi and he said he didn't get source code.
CSW: He received a link, not code and downloaded it himself. He's being quick with words.
COPA: He says Satoshi never sent source code or software. I first heard about it from the mailing list and downloaded it.
CSW: He's saying he downloaded it himself, which is what I just said.
COPA: You said he received code. He says he didn't get special, direct comms.
CSW: You're twisting words. He saw the 2008 announcement, I emailed him to tell him to download it, and he downloaded it from SourceForge. In 2009, we talked further about issues. He didn't help me code. He questioned me and I sent responses.
COPA: Of the 3 people who you say you sent code, 2 people were public and Trammel was a lie.
CSW: I sent him the link and got my code. That's me sending him code.
COPA: In regards to Visual Studio, you said you wrote and compiled it in VS. Malmi refers to errors in compiling due to lack of libraries. He says he got it to compile under certain circumstances by running. This makes it clear that VS was for debugging, not compiling.
CSW: No, Visual C is better for tracing, but debugging is better in Windows.
COPA: Your initial witness statement was modified after you read Malmi's responses.
CSW: Visual C++ uses compilers *IN* Visual Studio. You're confusing Studio and C. Studio is the whole environment.
COPA: You haven't disclosed any names of people who hadn't been given code publicly. Why don't you remember their names?
CSW: I don't recall my own professor's names.
COPA: You fail to give names.
CSW: I forget names.
COPA: You never mentioned Nick Boam who had extensive comms with Satoshi.
CSW: I talked to lots of people at the time including hundreds on the forums who sent DMs.
COPA: Mr B received a payment in bitcoin, and you don't recall?
CSW: I paid lots of people. I don't know most of their names.
COPA: You recall comms with Wei Dai which are largely public now. You called him an extinguished academic?
CSW: I suppose. He wrote papers on SSL and libraries.
COPA: And Back was interested in digital cash and accepted your referencing him. Looking at email from Back, he says he hasn't read your paper yet, but was reminded of Micromint. Talking about code in bitcoin. These are the comms among Satoshi and BAck. He doesn't look dismissive.
CSW: He said he didn't read the paper, and he brings up Micromint which was a failure.
COPA: You said, he said it was bound to fail. It doesn't say that.
CSW: This isn't all the comms. The twitter DM comms were shut down by COPA member Jack Dorsey personally. I'm banned from LinkedIn by other COPA members. I don't have records of comms anymore, but I have communicated with Adam in private and public.
COPA: As Back says, he provided all his comms, and you're inconsistent.
CSW: No. Adam didn't go on forums, didn't try things and didn't read the white paper. That's dismissive.
COPA: So he's lying about providing all comms?
CSW: Or he lost them. This morning, yesterday and the say before, he is talking about number go up. He's talking about getting rich on the internet which is a breech of financial services legislation. This is irresponsible and criminal. He's interested in get rich quick.
COPA: Does that answer my question?
CSW: He's a ponzi promoter, not a solution person. He said to sell your house and put money into bitcoin!
COPA: Here you say you didn't use Hash Cash.
CSW: He mentioned flame.
Mellor: Man Named George Sallitas is recording and transcribing. "loveisbitcoindotcom" he posts automatically. This is forbidden, and I look forward to him stopping immediately.
COPA: You mentioned you're working on 5 PHDs.
CSW: 1 in Geneve Business school on CBDC, Leister PHD in Law - trial has me behind - Exeter Math and Economics, Walden University Business DBA on interactions of micropayment systems, and at Grand Canyon University also a DBA in modeling of Bitcoin at Scale.
COPA: Thank you. In your witness statement, you mention you created bitcoin under a pseudonym because wary of the US government.
CSW: Among other things.
COPA: You said your mother, Uncle, David Bridges and Lynn also knew. You also sent drafts of the white paper to at least 21 people including work colleagues and other people like Kleiman and G Williams.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Students also knew you were Satoshi?
CSW: Some, not all.
COPA: Also people in the Aus Gov?
CSW: Yes, I presented on bitcoin to department of Finance and others on things like CBDC and VAT/GST systems.
COPA: So, it was more than a small circle.
CSW: Yes, but it wasn't revealed to the world at large. They were people who I knew.
COPA: That doesn't seem small.
CSW: It's pretty small.
COPA: You mention Visual Studio for developing bitcoin.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: People know bitcoin is C++
CSW: The code is.
COPA: You mention others who worked on code. You mention Mark Turner.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You haven't disclosed more?
CSW: I have, but you don't like handwriting. After 2015 with the hacks, I lost information. I found out Greg Maxwell had compromised my server.
COPA: You've been hacked 10 times?
CSW: Well, Satoshi with the GMX hack. A private conversation between me and Gavin about it is how he knew I was me when we met in person.
COPA: You haven't called any code engagement witnesses.
CSW: Ignatius did. Nobody interacted directly. There wasn't a Satoshi group. Hal gave help. Gavin hasn't retracted anything he has said, but everyone else came after release. There wasn't anyone else who interacted with bitcoin before its release.
COPA: You said in Granath case, when asked if you shared code.
CSW: I didn't early, but did later.
COPA: You're aware Trammel has disclosed his whole correspondence with Satoshi and he said he didn't get source code.
CSW: He received a link, not code and downloaded it himself. He's being quick with words.
COPA: He says Satoshi never sent source code or software. I first heard about it from the mailing list and downloaded it.
CSW: He's saying he downloaded it himself, which is what I just said.
COPA: You said he received code. He says he didn't get special, direct comms.
CSW: You're twisting words. He saw the 2008 announcement, I emailed him to tell him to download it, and he downloaded it from SourceForge. In 2009, we talked further about issues. He didn't help me code. He questioned me and I sent responses.
COPA: Of the 3 people who you say you sent code, 2 people were public and Trammel was a lie.
CSW: I sent him the link and got my code. That's me sending him code.
COPA: In regards to Visual Studio, you said you wrote and compiled it in VS. Malmi refers to errors in compiling due to lack of libraries. He says he got it to compile under certain circumstances by running. This makes it clear that VS was for debugging, not compiling.
CSW: No, Visual C is better for tracing, but debugging is better in Windows.
COPA: Your initial witness statement was modified after you read Malmi's responses.
CSW: Visual C++ uses compilers *IN* Visual Studio. You're confusing Studio and C. Studio is the whole environment.
COPA: You haven't disclosed any names of people who hadn't been given code publicly. Why don't you remember their names?
CSW: I don't recall my own professor's names.
COPA: You fail to give names.
CSW: I forget names.
COPA: You never mentioned Nick Boam who had extensive comms with Satoshi.
CSW: I talked to lots of people at the time including hundreds on the forums who sent DMs.
COPA: Mr B received a payment in bitcoin, and you don't recall?
CSW: I paid lots of people. I don't know most of their names.
COPA: You recall comms with Wei Dai which are largely public now. You called him an extinguished academic?
CSW: I suppose. He wrote papers on SSL and libraries.
COPA: And Back was interested in digital cash and accepted your referencing him. Looking at email from Back, he says he hasn't read your paper yet, but was reminded of Micromint. Talking about code in bitcoin. These are the comms among Satoshi and BAck. He doesn't look dismissive.
CSW: He said he didn't read the paper, and he brings up Micromint which was a failure.
COPA: You said, he said it was bound to fail. It doesn't say that.
CSW: This isn't all the comms. The twitter DM comms were shut down by COPA member Jack Dorsey personally. I'm banned from LinkedIn by other COPA members. I don't have records of comms anymore, but I have communicated with Adam in private and public.
COPA: As Back says, he provided all his comms, and you're inconsistent.
CSW: No. Adam didn't go on forums, didn't try things and didn't read the white paper. That's dismissive.
COPA: So he's lying about providing all comms?
CSW: Or he lost them. This morning, yesterday and the say before, he is talking about number go up. He's talking about getting rich on the internet which is a breech of financial services legislation. This is irresponsible and criminal. He's interested in get rich quick.
COPA: Does that answer my question?
CSW: He's a ponzi promoter, not a solution person. He said to sell your house and put money into bitcoin!
COPA: Here you say you didn't use Hash Cash.
CSW: He mentioned flame.
COPA: Is this your article from 2019?
CSW: Yes
COPA: You said you were trying to get help. Bitcoin isn't Adam's Hash Cash, you said. You're referring Aura paper saying that was the actual inspiration. Do you accept that this is Satoshi's original public post?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: It says coins are made from HashCash style PoW.
CSW: Yes
COPA: This is the white paper? And talks proof of work similar to Back's HashCash...
CSW: Yes
COPA: Your article says bitcoin wasn't similar.
CSW: Bitcoin isn't similar as a system. the proof of work part is like HashCash.
COPA: Andrew O'Hagan Satoshi Affair, you recognize?
CSW: As a fiction...
COPA: It says HashCash and B-Money were inspirations. Back was spoken to. Did you say this to O'Hagan?
CSW: Not as quoted.
COPA: So he's another person misrepresenting you?
CSW: The book is listed as fiction.
COPA: Here's something about Coin-Exch. It says a cryptocurrency called bitcoin.
CSW: I hate how staff use that term.
COPA: Your document says cryptocurrency here too. And here and here.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: And on document about mining using HashCash.
CSW: I have staff write things. I didn't check everything that went out. If it's not from RCJBR, it would have been emailed by staff. Two weeks ago, I had the same thing happen again.
COPA: Satoshi was happy to say similar to HashCash.
CSW: As a proof of work system only.
COPA: You only say it's different to give yourself spurious expertise.
CSW: No, Hal's RPoW was more like bitcoin. Back used a Token word which can't work in bitcoin. Aurora used a leading zeros system like bitcoin.
CSW: Yes
COPA: You said you were trying to get help. Bitcoin isn't Adam's Hash Cash, you said. You're referring Aura paper saying that was the actual inspiration. Do you accept that this is Satoshi's original public post?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: It says coins are made from HashCash style PoW.
CSW: Yes
COPA: This is the white paper? And talks proof of work similar to Back's HashCash...
CSW: Yes
COPA: Your article says bitcoin wasn't similar.
CSW: Bitcoin isn't similar as a system. the proof of work part is like HashCash.
COPA: Andrew O'Hagan Satoshi Affair, you recognize?
CSW: As a fiction...
COPA: It says HashCash and B-Money were inspirations. Back was spoken to. Did you say this to O'Hagan?
CSW: Not as quoted.
COPA: So he's another person misrepresenting you?
CSW: The book is listed as fiction.
COPA: Here's something about Coin-Exch. It says a cryptocurrency called bitcoin.
CSW: I hate how staff use that term.
COPA: Your document says cryptocurrency here too. And here and here.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: And on document about mining using HashCash.
CSW: I have staff write things. I didn't check everything that went out. If it's not from RCJBR, it would have been emailed by staff. Two weeks ago, I had the same thing happen again.
COPA: Satoshi was happy to say similar to HashCash.
CSW: As a proof of work system only.
COPA: You only say it's different to give yourself spurious expertise.
CSW: No, Hal's RPoW was more like bitcoin. Back used a Token word which can't work in bitcoin. Aurora used a leading zeros system like bitcoin.
COPA: From your Mstat, you call bitcoin fully P2P in 2019. You recognize this?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Explaining university of Newcastle work and how you said privacy and bitcoin development, etc... Explained why you took on a pseudonym, etc...
Did you write these?
CSW: Yes
COPA: Your email responding that you joined Newcastle Uni and such, but you couldn't have had these conversations with that professor in 2009!
CSW: I had him as a professor as an undergrad in the 90's as well.
COPA: But you're talking about your postgrad work. And conversations from that era wouldn't make sense in the 90's when you knew him.
CSW: I had comms with him and they were valuable to me.
COPA: You just got timing all wrong by ten years?
CSW: I don't know. I spoke to him about these things and don't remember exact times.
COPA: Professor doesn't recall you.
CSW: Professor Rainer was that he didn't recall Craig when asked if he remembered Dr. Wright. So he knew my first name without prompting. Pretty interesting that he doesn't rmember me, but knew my first name.
COPA: He's wrong in characterizing his own work on transfer systems here?
CSW: Perhaps.
COPA: He says he doesn't know who Wei Dai is. Is that surprising?
CSW: I think it was him who referred me, but perhaps I'm wrong.
COPA: Oh, you could be wrong?
CSW: I forget names. I have partial aphasia, meaning I don't remember faces well.
COPA: Professor says he doesn't remember you and left in 1999. Do you dispute?
CSW: No. I was there at the time. We were both at ASX. Maybe we spoke there.
COPA: He also never heard of Hal Finney which you say you discussed.
CSW: Ok
COPA: He said there was never a patent application from the group.
CSW: I could have linked the wrong person.
COPA: Lot of mistakes in this post, yeah?
CSW: I'm good with systems, but I am bad at remembering people, so I could be wrong.
COPA: You dispute his claim not to recall you though?
CSW: I was a gadfly, so maybe he was just annoyed with me.
COPA: You claimed to work at ASX from 99-2003 with him?
CSW: Or at the Perth Mint maybe.
COPA: Well he says he didn't go there until 2016.
CSW: Well, I knew him from somewhere.
COPA: The times don't line up.
CSW: Well I remember him from somewhere.
COPA: It's a set of fictions, isn't it?
CSW: No.
COPA: You say here you went to Microsoft before bitcoin. You wanted Microsoft to develop a micropayments based internet.
CSW: Yes. 2008, I visited and wrote papers and such, but then the hiring freeze happened.
COPA: Siemens too?
CSW: Correct
COPA: Click Fraud team?
CSW: Yes
COPA: Here's application for Jan 2008 for IT security.
CSW: Yes
COPA: Program manager for click fraud
CW: Correct
COPA: You respond with your coding experience. You weren't understating right?
CSW: C. C++, Java, etc...
COPA: You say here you enjoy a challenge
CSW: Yes
COPA: More about coding experience.
CSW: Yes
COPA: Then you say you refer to your GIAC certs, being a published author and 11 degrees..
CSW: Yes
LUNCH BREAK. 1 HOUR
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Explaining university of Newcastle work and how you said privacy and bitcoin development, etc... Explained why you took on a pseudonym, etc...
Did you write these?
CSW: Yes
COPA: Your email responding that you joined Newcastle Uni and such, but you couldn't have had these conversations with that professor in 2009!
CSW: I had him as a professor as an undergrad in the 90's as well.
COPA: But you're talking about your postgrad work. And conversations from that era wouldn't make sense in the 90's when you knew him.
CSW: I had comms with him and they were valuable to me.
COPA: You just got timing all wrong by ten years?
CSW: I don't know. I spoke to him about these things and don't remember exact times.
COPA: Professor doesn't recall you.
CSW: Professor Rainer was that he didn't recall Craig when asked if he remembered Dr. Wright. So he knew my first name without prompting. Pretty interesting that he doesn't rmember me, but knew my first name.
COPA: He's wrong in characterizing his own work on transfer systems here?
CSW: Perhaps.
COPA: He says he doesn't know who Wei Dai is. Is that surprising?
CSW: I think it was him who referred me, but perhaps I'm wrong.
COPA: Oh, you could be wrong?
CSW: I forget names. I have partial aphasia, meaning I don't remember faces well.
COPA: Professor says he doesn't remember you and left in 1999. Do you dispute?
CSW: No. I was there at the time. We were both at ASX. Maybe we spoke there.
COPA: He also never heard of Hal Finney which you say you discussed.
CSW: Ok
COPA: He said there was never a patent application from the group.
CSW: I could have linked the wrong person.
COPA: Lot of mistakes in this post, yeah?
CSW: I'm good with systems, but I am bad at remembering people, so I could be wrong.
COPA: You dispute his claim not to recall you though?
CSW: I was a gadfly, so maybe he was just annoyed with me.
COPA: You claimed to work at ASX from 99-2003 with him?
CSW: Or at the Perth Mint maybe.
COPA: Well he says he didn't go there until 2016.
CSW: Well, I knew him from somewhere.
COPA: The times don't line up.
CSW: Well I remember him from somewhere.
COPA: It's a set of fictions, isn't it?
CSW: No.
COPA: You say here you went to Microsoft before bitcoin. You wanted Microsoft to develop a micropayments based internet.
CSW: Yes. 2008, I visited and wrote papers and such, but then the hiring freeze happened.
COPA: Siemens too?
CSW: Correct
COPA: Click Fraud team?
CSW: Yes
COPA: Here's application for Jan 2008 for IT security.
CSW: Yes
COPA: Program manager for click fraud
CW: Correct
COPA: You respond with your coding experience. You weren't understating right?
CSW: C. C++, Java, etc...
COPA: You say here you enjoy a challenge
CSW: Yes
COPA: More about coding experience.
CSW: Yes
COPA: Then you say you refer to your GIAC certs, being a published author and 11 degrees..
CSW: Yes
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https://x.com/kurtwuckertjr/status/1757032664459100272?s=20
CSW: names: Chumbo Liu at Exeter, Jack Rogers GCU, Tao Gong, Walton Uni: Walter McCollum, Leister Ben Adado. Theresa Wall(sp?) Geneva, Said something... Wales Arden, Ian Pilkington. These are Craig's professors in Doctorate studies right now.
COPA: Thank you Dr Wright. We were talking Microsoft before the break. you never mentioned digital cash.
CSW: You're confusing it because of how people look at bitcoin now. It's a transaction system which includes any logical operation in a system. I was using PoW to stop click fraud. You know Back's HashCash was about email SPAM. I wasn't thinking "bitcoin to the moon." I was thinking Microsoft could issue coins to the system for secruity.
COPA: You did actual interviews with them in October 2008.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: When Satoshi ewas gearing up to issue the white paper.
CSW: I wouldn't say gearing up. The hiring freeze was announced right after my proposal.
COPA: But there's no mention of these things.
CSW: Not that you're willing to acknowledge.
COPA: It says here you're talking about micropayments instead of ads with Microsoft Bing team. also says you wanted BDO to come in.
CSW: Yes, and they came back in 2011. I also added notes to these things for the ATO about what I was up to with BDO and Microsoft because it was relevant to that.
COPA: Thank you Dr Wright. We were talking Microsoft before the break. you never mentioned digital cash.
CSW: You're confusing it because of how people look at bitcoin now. It's a transaction system which includes any logical operation in a system. I was using PoW to stop click fraud. You know Back's HashCash was about email SPAM. I wasn't thinking "bitcoin to the moon." I was thinking Microsoft could issue coins to the system for secruity.
COPA: You did actual interviews with them in October 2008.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: When Satoshi ewas gearing up to issue the white paper.
CSW: I wouldn't say gearing up. The hiring freeze was announced right after my proposal.
COPA: But there's no mention of these things.
CSW: Not that you're willing to acknowledge.
COPA: It says here you're talking about micropayments instead of ads with Microsoft Bing team. also says you wanted BDO to come in.
CSW: Yes, and they came back in 2011. I also added notes to these things for the ATO about what I was up to with BDO and Microsoft because it was relevant to that.
COPA: You put in your COC info about a different timeline. All written in 2011-2012?
CSW: It was more 2012, and prep for the AAT.
COPA: You came up with this when we let you know that software wasn't invented until 2010. Despite all the content being 2008, you want us to believe this was done in 2012, and you would have let us believe it was 2008 if nobody caught you.
CSW: Nope.
COPA: "The following people agreed to run nodes" This was looking forward to people in the future. You also mention Gareth, but he died in 2010. Makes no sense.
CSW: I had to go in front of tribunal in 2012, so I put my notes on everything so I could keep it straight.
COPA: So when you said "when the system starts" that was 3 years after the system started?
CSW: In my notes to the ATO, yes.
COPA: That's just a set of lies isn't it?
CSW: Not at all.
COPA: Looking back at comms with Wei Dai, and the white paper. Saying "I had an FTP site in Aus going back to May." Does that stand for File Transfer Protocol?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You said you owned the domain?
CSW: No, I mirrored a server. I was saying I have a directory structure that was linked to the site. Bitcoin Forum was a different server than Bitcoin Dot Org.
COPA: You are aware someone from the UAE owned the site?
CSW: Yes, and I had a subdomain on it.
COPA: You didn't disclose that?
CSW: I didn't explain that the forum was a separate server either. I'm sorry you don't understand.
COPA: It's another adaptation to get out of lies.
CSW: People complain when I ramble, and they complain when I summarize...
COPA: You said thew white paper went from 40 pages to 20... You shared with Don, Max and a couple others?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You didn't mention the others.
CSW: I mentioned Grainger and others in the Kleiman proceedings.
COPA: You cut it down to about ten pages and said you shared to Dave, Wei, Adam B, and others?
CSW: Yes
COPA: That's the most specific you've ever said?
CSW: I have been relatively open with this at conferences and interviews. I may forget others.
COPA: In witness statement, you said you sent pre-publication drafts to 21 names. If they received drafts, they would have know it wa sa project you were working on?
CSW: One of many
COPA: Aside from Stefan and Don, none have come out publicly to recount this?
CSW: In Kleiman, they were asking about the August 2008 paoer. Others here received Timecoin paper or other drafts with different language. Effectively, they're all drafts.
COPA: Again, just Stefan and Uncle Don corroborating?
CSW: I think David Bridges and Rob Jenkins will recall Timecoin. Iggy would corroborate the same.
COPA: But none have testified
CSW: Shane Patterson, Edward Archer, Shoab, Neville, Andrew Somer wont because privilege...
COPA: Which have provided evidence?
CSW: Jenkins and Bridges.
COPA: They describe drafts of what would become the bitcoin white paper?
CSW: If you aren't mixing up Timecoin and bitcoin stuff, yes.
COPA: Danielle DeMorgan, your sister, doesn't mention receiving a drafts.
CSW: You're being deceitful with the question [HOUGH WITH A HUGE EYE ROLL]
COPA: Lynn said she doesn't recall bitcoin discussed. Just security.
CSW: Look at page one. Note asking if Ms Watts was involved. She knew me and Ramona were working on these things. She's an ex-wife for a reason. She didn't recall me working with Ramona Watts for years either because she wasn't coherent due to chemo and mastectomy
COPA: You refer to drafts of the bitcoin white paper.
CSW: And the others.
COPA: So just Stefan and Uncle Don have recounted.
CSW: Edward Archer too, Neville Sinclair.. Just not in the same name as bitcoin.
COPA: You recall Gareth was an agent found dead in a bag and widely reported with conspiracies?
CSW: Yes, lots of theories.
COPA: So you could have learned that from the press.
CSW: I gave his name to ATO before his death.
COPA: You plucked him out of the air as a convenient collaborator.
CSW: It was put in secret court in the US, but it leaked [smirking hard]
COPA: You mentioned a call on this date.
CSW: I got the date wrong.
COPA: You describe the video call.
CSW: Yes
COPA: You describe him as former MI6 and that you helped train him.
CSW: Yes, I met him at Blacknet conferences and trained on digital forensics.
COPA: You involved Kleiman in the talk to clear up Satoshi stuff.
CSW: Yes
COPA: The call would have been 2011 when Satoshi was departing.
CSW: Satoshi started departing in August 2010.
COPA: Convenient to have this call just before he died.
CSW: I might get dates wrong.
COPA: You had a vivid recollection of a call with a UK gov agent after his death.
CSW: I had a call when I was very angry and being difficult.
COPA: You don't have any copies of what was shared.
CSW: You have multiple copies of the shared papers. I don't have 15 year old emails anymore.
COPA: Nobody has copies?
CSW: They talk about the systems, timecoin and the code and the systems I built for their companies.
COPA: None have come forward with a hard or soft copy.
CSW: You would just say that it was fake anyways.
CSW: It was more 2012, and prep for the AAT.
COPA: You came up with this when we let you know that software wasn't invented until 2010. Despite all the content being 2008, you want us to believe this was done in 2012, and you would have let us believe it was 2008 if nobody caught you.
CSW: Nope.
COPA: "The following people agreed to run nodes" This was looking forward to people in the future. You also mention Gareth, but he died in 2010. Makes no sense.
CSW: I had to go in front of tribunal in 2012, so I put my notes on everything so I could keep it straight.
COPA: So when you said "when the system starts" that was 3 years after the system started?
CSW: In my notes to the ATO, yes.
COPA: That's just a set of lies isn't it?
CSW: Not at all.
COPA: Looking back at comms with Wei Dai, and the white paper. Saying "I had an FTP site in Aus going back to May." Does that stand for File Transfer Protocol?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You said you owned the domain?
CSW: No, I mirrored a server. I was saying I have a directory structure that was linked to the site. Bitcoin Forum was a different server than Bitcoin Dot Org.
COPA: You are aware someone from the UAE owned the site?
CSW: Yes, and I had a subdomain on it.
COPA: You didn't disclose that?
CSW: I didn't explain that the forum was a separate server either. I'm sorry you don't understand.
COPA: It's another adaptation to get out of lies.
CSW: People complain when I ramble, and they complain when I summarize...
COPA: You said thew white paper went from 40 pages to 20... You shared with Don, Max and a couple others?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You didn't mention the others.
CSW: I mentioned Grainger and others in the Kleiman proceedings.
COPA: You cut it down to about ten pages and said you shared to Dave, Wei, Adam B, and others?
CSW: Yes
COPA: That's the most specific you've ever said?
CSW: I have been relatively open with this at conferences and interviews. I may forget others.
COPA: In witness statement, you said you sent pre-publication drafts to 21 names. If they received drafts, they would have know it wa sa project you were working on?
CSW: One of many
COPA: Aside from Stefan and Don, none have come out publicly to recount this?
CSW: In Kleiman, they were asking about the August 2008 paoer. Others here received Timecoin paper or other drafts with different language. Effectively, they're all drafts.
COPA: Again, just Stefan and Uncle Don corroborating?
CSW: I think David Bridges and Rob Jenkins will recall Timecoin. Iggy would corroborate the same.
COPA: But none have testified
CSW: Shane Patterson, Edward Archer, Shoab, Neville, Andrew Somer wont because privilege...
COPA: Which have provided evidence?
CSW: Jenkins and Bridges.
COPA: They describe drafts of what would become the bitcoin white paper?
CSW: If you aren't mixing up Timecoin and bitcoin stuff, yes.
COPA: Danielle DeMorgan, your sister, doesn't mention receiving a drafts.
CSW: You're being deceitful with the question [HOUGH WITH A HUGE EYE ROLL]
COPA: Lynn said she doesn't recall bitcoin discussed. Just security.
CSW: Look at page one. Note asking if Ms Watts was involved. She knew me and Ramona were working on these things. She's an ex-wife for a reason. She didn't recall me working with Ramona Watts for years either because she wasn't coherent due to chemo and mastectomy
COPA: You refer to drafts of the bitcoin white paper.
CSW: And the others.
COPA: So just Stefan and Uncle Don have recounted.
CSW: Edward Archer too, Neville Sinclair.. Just not in the same name as bitcoin.
COPA: You recall Gareth was an agent found dead in a bag and widely reported with conspiracies?
CSW: Yes, lots of theories.
COPA: So you could have learned that from the press.
CSW: I gave his name to ATO before his death.
COPA: You plucked him out of the air as a convenient collaborator.
CSW: It was put in secret court in the US, but it leaked [smirking hard]
COPA: You mentioned a call on this date.
CSW: I got the date wrong.
COPA: You describe the video call.
CSW: Yes
COPA: You describe him as former MI6 and that you helped train him.
CSW: Yes, I met him at Blacknet conferences and trained on digital forensics.
COPA: You involved Kleiman in the talk to clear up Satoshi stuff.
CSW: Yes
COPA: The call would have been 2011 when Satoshi was departing.
CSW: Satoshi started departing in August 2010.
COPA: Convenient to have this call just before he died.
CSW: I might get dates wrong.
COPA: You had a vivid recollection of a call with a UK gov agent after his death.
CSW: I had a call when I was very angry and being difficult.
COPA: You don't have any copies of what was shared.
CSW: You have multiple copies of the shared papers. I don't have 15 year old emails anymore.
COPA: Nobody has copies?
CSW: They talk about the systems, timecoin and the code and the systems I built for their companies.
COPA: None have come forward with a hard or soft copy.
CSW: You would just say that it was fake anyways.
COPA: Matthews is the CEO of nChain now, right?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Was he instrumental in your media campaign as Satoshi in 2016.
CSW: He went along with Rob on it. After I was doxed, Rob thought he could cash in.
COPA: In 2005, he was CEO of Centrebet.
CSW: YEs.
COPA: You left him a draft copy of the bitcoin white paper?
CSW: More than once, yes.
COPA: August 2006 you gave him a USB stick and he recounts the story of you giving him the white paper digitally. And he read the paper, and now IDs it as a draft of the white paper. He had a soft copy.
CSW: That would have been the Timecoin paper
COPA: So he had Timecoin and Bitcoin papers?
CSW: I'm a bad marketer.
COPA: Here's an email from you to Dave's Dad. Took you months to say you and Dave were two of 3 key people in bitcoin. Why so long?
CSW: Took me time to find him.
COPA: You recall this from the Kleiman trial, and that you wrote it. Asked who was the 3rd key person. You said you weren't in position to answer. You asked if it was a person in the US gov or if you knew they were alive.
CSW: Yes. And I didn't know.
COPA: You remember between the 2 depositions, the judge said you should answer.
CSW: Yes
COPA: You said you typed the first one but not the second time.
CSW: I don't recall who physically typed it.
COPA: Angela Demetrio?
CSW: Maybe, or another.
COPA: You wanted message that made Dave sound good to his father and Uyen suggested content?
CSW: Yes, I wanted a message sent.
COPA: You said in discussion with your lawyers you typed a specific sentence and said you were over-literal.
CSW: Like I said. I typed the sentence but didn't type the email. I didn't overlook everything that got sent.
COPA: After further discussion, you were asked about the 3rd person and National Security concerns. Counsel tried to bring clarity by suggesting Dave and asked about the other. You said you didn't say one was Dave. Then asked who were the two?
CSW: Dave was the reason I developed bitcoin and stuck with it as long as I did. He was instrumental to me.
COPA: The versions keep changing.
CSW: What I said under oath and what I said to my best friend's father are different things. I wanted Dave to have some of my credit to his father so he would be proud.
COPA: When you wanted Dave to be distanced, you changed.
CSW: I was ordered under oath and I wasn't going to lie, so I had to explain how Dave wasn't involved in developing bitcoin.
COPA: When you say National Security of the US Government, that couldn't possibly be Gareth Williams. CSW: I was trying to waffle and be difficult at the time.
COPA: So you lied?
CSW: No.
COPA: So who was the person?!
CSW: My Uncle, for start. But others.
COPA: Your Uncle might be alive and might be part of US Gov in 2019?!
CSW: He helped with work I was doing, and was taken in by US gov intelligence.
COPA: You have been making this up to pretend to be Satoshi.
CSW: the opposite. I didn't want to be Satoshi and didn't want to answer it to the judge. I was forced under threat of contempt to admit that I'm Satoshi - causing all of this.
TAKING A BREAK.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: Was he instrumental in your media campaign as Satoshi in 2016.
CSW: He went along with Rob on it. After I was doxed, Rob thought he could cash in.
COPA: In 2005, he was CEO of Centrebet.
CSW: YEs.
COPA: You left him a draft copy of the bitcoin white paper?
CSW: More than once, yes.
COPA: August 2006 you gave him a USB stick and he recounts the story of you giving him the white paper digitally. And he read the paper, and now IDs it as a draft of the white paper. He had a soft copy.
CSW: That would have been the Timecoin paper
COPA: So he had Timecoin and Bitcoin papers?
CSW: I'm a bad marketer.
COPA: Here's an email from you to Dave's Dad. Took you months to say you and Dave were two of 3 key people in bitcoin. Why so long?
CSW: Took me time to find him.
COPA: You recall this from the Kleiman trial, and that you wrote it. Asked who was the 3rd key person. You said you weren't in position to answer. You asked if it was a person in the US gov or if you knew they were alive.
CSW: Yes. And I didn't know.
COPA: You remember between the 2 depositions, the judge said you should answer.
CSW: Yes
COPA: You said you typed the first one but not the second time.
CSW: I don't recall who physically typed it.
COPA: Angela Demetrio?
CSW: Maybe, or another.
COPA: You wanted message that made Dave sound good to his father and Uyen suggested content?
CSW: Yes, I wanted a message sent.
COPA: You said in discussion with your lawyers you typed a specific sentence and said you were over-literal.
CSW: Like I said. I typed the sentence but didn't type the email. I didn't overlook everything that got sent.
COPA: After further discussion, you were asked about the 3rd person and National Security concerns. Counsel tried to bring clarity by suggesting Dave and asked about the other. You said you didn't say one was Dave. Then asked who were the two?
CSW: Dave was the reason I developed bitcoin and stuck with it as long as I did. He was instrumental to me.
COPA: The versions keep changing.
CSW: What I said under oath and what I said to my best friend's father are different things. I wanted Dave to have some of my credit to his father so he would be proud.
COPA: When you wanted Dave to be distanced, you changed.
CSW: I was ordered under oath and I wasn't going to lie, so I had to explain how Dave wasn't involved in developing bitcoin.
COPA: When you say National Security of the US Government, that couldn't possibly be Gareth Williams. CSW: I was trying to waffle and be difficult at the time.
COPA: So you lied?
CSW: No.
COPA: So who was the person?!
CSW: My Uncle, for start. But others.
COPA: Your Uncle might be alive and might be part of US Gov in 2019?!
CSW: He helped with work I was doing, and was taken in by US gov intelligence.
COPA: You have been making this up to pretend to be Satoshi.
CSW: the opposite. I didn't want to be Satoshi and didn't want to answer it to the judge. I was forced under threat of contempt to admit that I'm Satoshi - causing all of this.
TAKING A BREAK.
COPA: Moving on to the Genesis Block. We agree it was created on Saturday Jan 3 UK. Sunday the 4th AUS, and Jan 9 was when the first block was mined atop?
CSW: Yes, it had to be restarted.
[WHY WOULDNT HOUGH STAY ON THE SECRET PERSON?!]
COPA: Excerpt of you discussing bitcoin. You mention patch Tuesday and you had to build a domain...
CSW: Yes.
COPA: So your story is Genesis block is mined, Microsoft caused the machines to crash and you addressed the problem by building a domain.
CSW: No, I had a domain. I needed to integrate the WinXP machines to them. I wasn't patching like a home user with downloads from the server. WSUS downloads them and patches them when appropriate for my environment.
COPA: You didn't mention this before.
CSW: I mentioned WSUS in my first interview. It's called patch Tuesday even when it happens on Friday.
COPA: It happened on Tuesday after the genesis block?
CSW: I don't know. A WSUS server does the patch when I want it to.
COPA: Patch Tuesdays for January 2009, it happened on the 13th.
CSW: Windows server update services is separate to Windows update.
COPA: Anyone can look at Wikipedia and see Patch Tuesday is a regular event.
CSW: You're mischaracterizing it. I specified WSUS even thought everyone calls it Patch Tuesday, but they can happen any day. The server system can be configured any ways you configure it.
COPA: This doesn't make sense.
CSW: I was an MSDN and a teacher of Microsoft systems. I get patches before other people and source code as an open source MS Dev. You presume I'm an everday pleb, not an MSDN user with MSUS server use.
COPA: So you're a special case and don't get patch Tuesday patches on Tuesday.
CSW: Yes
COPA: Come on
CSW: Who do you think tests patches other than MSDN devs?
COPA: You're just adding context to fit your narrative.
CSW: I was running systems for clients. I had to test them before pushing patches to Centrebet and others. I was on the highest tier and the first Aussie to be a MS Gold Member on the dev network. The point is that as an admin of these networks, I had to have early access [HOUGH SMILING WITH SOMEONE ON HIS TEAM]
COPA: In ref to early bitcoin mining, you said it was you and Don and Max Lynam.
CSW: Just a few days, but then Hal, Trammel and others came on very quickly. Just a few days of me and family only.
COPA: You mentioned 69 racks.
CSW: 69 systems.
COPA: You didn't tell them they would be getting block rewards with value?
CSW: that wasn't the point. It was about timestamping. The block rewards didn't have any valua at the time. They were a promise, I suppose.
COPA: You put a value on them for accounting purpose.
CSW: Yes, but it was below my cost, but I had to value them at something.
COPA: You never told them about the rewards?
CSW: I told them they would be tokens, but never that I thought they would be valuable. They would have been mad about the electricity expenditure.
COPA: You never let them know they were important?
CSW: I wanted them to protect the system, not the tokens.
COPA: You told them to keep the blockchain?
CSW: YEs, the data is the value.
COPA: Why not later?
CSW: I was going through a divorce and an audit from the ATO. I was stressed out, and bitcoin had only ever been a loss to me at that point. I wasn't excited, I was stressed. Couldn't catch a break. Liberty Reserve was shut down...
COPA: When did you have $10 million dollars to start?
CSW: I had 20 at the start from the gaming work I was doing.
COPA: Your security work required you to have lots of computers, right?
CSW: No, you could have a laptop. You wouldn't be running NAS, minicomputers or the data storage that I had. Remember, I had petabytes of data and tons of other abnormal stuff for a security man to have.
COPA: According to experts, it wouldn't have been necessary to have a big system to mine bitcoin.
CSW: Michaeljohn is confusing hashing and nodes. Validating ECDSA is computationally intense. Validating blocks before distributing blocks is hard. I needed multiple systems so that I didn't just have a single node on the network. Plus logging, and the Timecoin testing servers...
COPA: Bitcoin didn't need this at the time.
CSW: I did because I was joining the majority of the network. There were weeks where only I and my family were mining. It was crucial that I had total uptime for security.
COPA: Putting this power on the network would have pushed up difficulty.
CSW: No, you're drastically misunderstanding. One computer would be hashing, but the others would be doing non-hashing validation. [HOUGH RETURNS TO CHEWING THE PEN AND LOOKING STRESSED] I needed to be sure the system was doing tons other than hashing. I didn't have the luxury to be a simple user.
COPA: It wasn't hard to run a node at the time or take this volume of electricity.
CSW: You're just thinking about hashing. We had to have lots of computers, air conditioning, UPS, etc...
CSW: Yes, it had to be restarted.
[WHY WOULDNT HOUGH STAY ON THE SECRET PERSON?!]
COPA: Excerpt of you discussing bitcoin. You mention patch Tuesday and you had to build a domain...
CSW: Yes.
COPA: So your story is Genesis block is mined, Microsoft caused the machines to crash and you addressed the problem by building a domain.
CSW: No, I had a domain. I needed to integrate the WinXP machines to them. I wasn't patching like a home user with downloads from the server. WSUS downloads them and patches them when appropriate for my environment.
COPA: You didn't mention this before.
CSW: I mentioned WSUS in my first interview. It's called patch Tuesday even when it happens on Friday.
COPA: It happened on Tuesday after the genesis block?
CSW: I don't know. A WSUS server does the patch when I want it to.
COPA: Patch Tuesdays for January 2009, it happened on the 13th.
CSW: Windows server update services is separate to Windows update.
COPA: Anyone can look at Wikipedia and see Patch Tuesday is a regular event.
CSW: You're mischaracterizing it. I specified WSUS even thought everyone calls it Patch Tuesday, but they can happen any day. The server system can be configured any ways you configure it.
COPA: This doesn't make sense.
CSW: I was an MSDN and a teacher of Microsoft systems. I get patches before other people and source code as an open source MS Dev. You presume I'm an everday pleb, not an MSDN user with MSUS server use.
COPA: So you're a special case and don't get patch Tuesday patches on Tuesday.
CSW: Yes
COPA: Come on
CSW: Who do you think tests patches other than MSDN devs?
COPA: You're just adding context to fit your narrative.
CSW: I was running systems for clients. I had to test them before pushing patches to Centrebet and others. I was on the highest tier and the first Aussie to be a MS Gold Member on the dev network. The point is that as an admin of these networks, I had to have early access [HOUGH SMILING WITH SOMEONE ON HIS TEAM]
COPA: In ref to early bitcoin mining, you said it was you and Don and Max Lynam.
CSW: Just a few days, but then Hal, Trammel and others came on very quickly. Just a few days of me and family only.
COPA: You mentioned 69 racks.
CSW: 69 systems.
COPA: You didn't tell them they would be getting block rewards with value?
CSW: that wasn't the point. It was about timestamping. The block rewards didn't have any valua at the time. They were a promise, I suppose.
COPA: You put a value on them for accounting purpose.
CSW: Yes, but it was below my cost, but I had to value them at something.
COPA: You never told them about the rewards?
CSW: I told them they would be tokens, but never that I thought they would be valuable. They would have been mad about the electricity expenditure.
COPA: You never let them know they were important?
CSW: I wanted them to protect the system, not the tokens.
COPA: You told them to keep the blockchain?
CSW: YEs, the data is the value.
COPA: Why not later?
CSW: I was going through a divorce and an audit from the ATO. I was stressed out, and bitcoin had only ever been a loss to me at that point. I wasn't excited, I was stressed. Couldn't catch a break. Liberty Reserve was shut down...
COPA: When did you have $10 million dollars to start?
CSW: I had 20 at the start from the gaming work I was doing.
COPA: Your security work required you to have lots of computers, right?
CSW: No, you could have a laptop. You wouldn't be running NAS, minicomputers or the data storage that I had. Remember, I had petabytes of data and tons of other abnormal stuff for a security man to have.
COPA: According to experts, it wouldn't have been necessary to have a big system to mine bitcoin.
CSW: Michaeljohn is confusing hashing and nodes. Validating ECDSA is computationally intense. Validating blocks before distributing blocks is hard. I needed multiple systems so that I didn't just have a single node on the network. Plus logging, and the Timecoin testing servers...
COPA: Bitcoin didn't need this at the time.
CSW: I did because I was joining the majority of the network. There were weeks where only I and my family were mining. It was crucial that I had total uptime for security.
COPA: Putting this power on the network would have pushed up difficulty.
CSW: No, you're drastically misunderstanding. One computer would be hashing, but the others would be doing non-hashing validation. [HOUGH RETURNS TO CHEWING THE PEN AND LOOKING STRESSED] I needed to be sure the system was doing tons other than hashing. I didn't have the luxury to be a simple user.
COPA: It wasn't hard to run a node at the time or take this volume of electricity.
CSW: You're just thinking about hashing. We had to have lots of computers, air conditioning, UPS, etc...
COPA: New Topic. Bitcoin as a cryptocurrency. You acknowledge that You're responsible for the content of the book "Satoshi's Vision."
CSW: Yes.
COPA: At no point have I said bitcoin is a cryptocurrency. True? Do you endorse what is said?
CSW: I shy away from it. I have said it and have been lax on the term, but usually clear and Draconian about its misuse.
COPA: Slack post by you "Bitcoin is not a cryptocurrency." You make this point many times?
CSW: the word sounded cool to me, and I didn't crack down on its use until after Silk Road.
COPA: Satoshi made a post calling it the P@P Cryptocurrency.
CSW: That was Martti at the time, but I didn't care at the time. I liked the word. Thought it was cool. But I have changed.
COPA: Email between Satoshi and Martti Malmi "I uploaded this to SourceForge and DotOrg. Here's what I've prepared announcing the cryptocurrency..." It's right that Satoshi stated it was a cryptocurrency.
CSW: It was a work between me and Malmi and sent back this as the final approved post.
COPA: You said the post was written by Malmi.
CSW: It's true. I added to it, but these are his words. Check his other emails for the creation process. It was collab.
COPA: You stated specifically that this was by Malmi.
CSW: the P2P Cryptocrrency bit IS from him.
COPA: This can no doubt be corrected. Martti didn't come up with that part. It was prepared by Satoshi. Your evidence in Norway was dishonest.
CSW: Not at all. Mr Malmi - AKA Cøbra - came up with the text earlier, and me not correcting isn't me writing.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: At no point have I said bitcoin is a cryptocurrency. True? Do you endorse what is said?
CSW: I shy away from it. I have said it and have been lax on the term, but usually clear and Draconian about its misuse.
COPA: Slack post by you "Bitcoin is not a cryptocurrency." You make this point many times?
CSW: the word sounded cool to me, and I didn't crack down on its use until after Silk Road.
COPA: Satoshi made a post calling it the P@P Cryptocurrency.
CSW: That was Martti at the time, but I didn't care at the time. I liked the word. Thought it was cool. But I have changed.
COPA: Email between Satoshi and Martti Malmi "I uploaded this to SourceForge and DotOrg. Here's what I've prepared announcing the cryptocurrency..." It's right that Satoshi stated it was a cryptocurrency.
CSW: It was a work between me and Malmi and sent back this as the final approved post.
COPA: You said the post was written by Malmi.
CSW: It's true. I added to it, but these are his words. Check his other emails for the creation process. It was collab.
COPA: You stated specifically that this was by Malmi.
CSW: the P2P Cryptocrrency bit IS from him.
COPA: This can no doubt be corrected. Martti didn't come up with that part. It was prepared by Satoshi. Your evidence in Norway was dishonest.
CSW: Not at all. Mr Malmi - AKA Cøbra - came up with the text earlier, and me not correcting isn't me writing.
COPA: Can we trust this new doctored document with you and Stefan?
CSW: There's no doctored files.
COPA: You offered 50k bitcoins for 100 AUS dollars to give it value.
CSW: We haggled, but something like that yes.
COPA: You think at the time you had this discussion with Stefan, bitcoin had been running for some months, but he wasn't aware that bitcoin was running.
CSW: He was aware of the logging system and timecoin system.
COPA: He wasn't aware bitcoin was running.
CSW: i'll read the definition of a transaction again. He was aware. He wasn't aware of the monetary token.
COPA: So it was $100 for 50k meaningless tokens.
CSW: I wanted to make it have *some* value. It's not meaningless when trade starts to happen. Was it meaningless when Gavin and Martti bought some? Your COPA people do what they want in this regard.
COPA: Stop making allegations against COPA. You're using the witness box as a bully pulpit.
CSW: I'd love to show Twitter today showing COPA members all saying it's going up to $100k to a million dollars TODAY. They do it constantly
Mellor: We won't be entertaining that, and it isn't the point of these proceedings.
CSW: Yes, m'Lord.
COPA: You also mention PR0nHu8, the adult site here. You don't have evidence showing their interest in bitcoin or an individual from them?
CSW: I don't have those emails anymore.
COPA: It's just another embellishment
CSW: No
COPA: You talk about phasing out comms as Satoshi.
CSW: I stopped focusing on bitcoin and left it Gavin to try to rebuild my life. ATO was the biggest thing on my mind, but I also had lots of other problems and focuses.
COPA: You left it "in good hands" with Gavin.
CSW: Yes, but other parts of the code that included a marketplace, poker systems, etc... were given to Gavin and Martti and others.
COPA: You referrence Malmi here too.. Alleging Malmi took over admin of things and that he helped set up Silk Road and everything from terrorism to to assassination markets.
CSW: He helped set up Silk Road, so yes, that was set up.
COPA: There's no evidence for that.
CSW: His emails mention the exchange that is behind Silk Road. I didn't have my emails anymore because I was hacked. But only Satoshi and Malmi knew the details. I brought this up before the emails were leaked.
COPA: You also mention Wladimir Van Der Laan transferring bitcoin from SourceForge to Github.
CSW: I was asked if things could be moved, and I said yes, but not about the source code.
COPA: You said Wlad and Gavin moved it. Wlad had nothing to do with it.
CSW: He set up the Github server and convinced Gavin to move to it. SourceForge was completely separate until that point.
COPA: Says here decentralized currency should have decentralized source control.
CSW: he wanted it, but it didn't move.
COPA: There wasn't a rejection.
CSW: Didn't need to. I ignored it and kept running in SourceForge.
COPA: Email from Gavin to Satoshi saying that bug tracking can be integrated in Github.
CSW: the branch isn't the trunk. It's an SVN trunk. He's saying he will integrate patches and pushed to SourceForge.
COPA: Satoshi says here he isn't opposed to Github.
CSW: I am saying Github is far better for bug tracking which is true.
COPA: Satoshi email to Mike Hearn..
CSW: I sent a patch to Gavin and were sending back and forth SPV structure stuff, so this would have been a separate branch from the node software.
COPA: Email with Satoshi, Gavin and Martti about issue tracker.
CSW: Yes
COPA: 2011 Satoshi giving Gavin Admin priv.
CSW: On SourceForge.
COPA: You liked his ideas?
CSW: I liked his ideas about ticketing a such. We had set up the BitcoinDotOrg forums outside of SourceForge because they were bad. We wanted to archive comms and then save everything
COPA: Satoshi final email to Gavin
CSW: From the GMX email.
COPA: You urge him to give more credit to devs and open source.
CSW: Yep. To focus on script, scaling, etc... The main system should have been stable.
COPA: Satoshi was content to see SourceForge to be deleted and bitcoin to go to Github.
CSW: SourceForge Forums, not the source code repo. The BitcoinTalk forum from BitcoinDotOrg replaced SourceForge, and the new helpdesk stuff was great because SourceForge was bad for that. At no point did I say the SVN should be removed.
COPA: There was no objection from Satoshi when Gavin wanted this moved.
CSW: I said I didn't care what was used for bug tracking and help desk.
COPA: Rather than controlling, Satoshi was keen to give devs more control.
CSW: Hell yes, under the constraints I set. Like TCP, it should have been set in stone. I wanted to build stuff on top of it and have Gavin mainstain the core.
COPA: Not a word like that.
CSW: I said it was set in stone
COPA: Not a word about Wlad about the move to Github
CSW: that only happened later in July 2011 when I was getting divorced and struggling with tons of other challenges. Wlad convinced Gavin to move.
CSW: There's no doctored files.
COPA: You offered 50k bitcoins for 100 AUS dollars to give it value.
CSW: We haggled, but something like that yes.
COPA: You think at the time you had this discussion with Stefan, bitcoin had been running for some months, but he wasn't aware that bitcoin was running.
CSW: He was aware of the logging system and timecoin system.
COPA: He wasn't aware bitcoin was running.
CSW: i'll read the definition of a transaction again. He was aware. He wasn't aware of the monetary token.
COPA: So it was $100 for 50k meaningless tokens.
CSW: I wanted to make it have *some* value. It's not meaningless when trade starts to happen. Was it meaningless when Gavin and Martti bought some? Your COPA people do what they want in this regard.
COPA: Stop making allegations against COPA. You're using the witness box as a bully pulpit.
CSW: I'd love to show Twitter today showing COPA members all saying it's going up to $100k to a million dollars TODAY. They do it constantly
Mellor: We won't be entertaining that, and it isn't the point of these proceedings.
CSW: Yes, m'Lord.
COPA: You also mention PR0nHu8, the adult site here. You don't have evidence showing their interest in bitcoin or an individual from them?
CSW: I don't have those emails anymore.
COPA: It's just another embellishment
CSW: No
COPA: You talk about phasing out comms as Satoshi.
CSW: I stopped focusing on bitcoin and left it Gavin to try to rebuild my life. ATO was the biggest thing on my mind, but I also had lots of other problems and focuses.
COPA: You left it "in good hands" with Gavin.
CSW: Yes, but other parts of the code that included a marketplace, poker systems, etc... were given to Gavin and Martti and others.
COPA: You referrence Malmi here too.. Alleging Malmi took over admin of things and that he helped set up Silk Road and everything from terrorism to to assassination markets.
CSW: He helped set up Silk Road, so yes, that was set up.
COPA: There's no evidence for that.
CSW: His emails mention the exchange that is behind Silk Road. I didn't have my emails anymore because I was hacked. But only Satoshi and Malmi knew the details. I brought this up before the emails were leaked.
COPA: You also mention Wladimir Van Der Laan transferring bitcoin from SourceForge to Github.
CSW: I was asked if things could be moved, and I said yes, but not about the source code.
COPA: You said Wlad and Gavin moved it. Wlad had nothing to do with it.
CSW: He set up the Github server and convinced Gavin to move to it. SourceForge was completely separate until that point.
COPA: Says here decentralized currency should have decentralized source control.
CSW: he wanted it, but it didn't move.
COPA: There wasn't a rejection.
CSW: Didn't need to. I ignored it and kept running in SourceForge.
COPA: Email from Gavin to Satoshi saying that bug tracking can be integrated in Github.
CSW: the branch isn't the trunk. It's an SVN trunk. He's saying he will integrate patches and pushed to SourceForge.
COPA: Satoshi says here he isn't opposed to Github.
CSW: I am saying Github is far better for bug tracking which is true.
COPA: Satoshi email to Mike Hearn..
CSW: I sent a patch to Gavin and were sending back and forth SPV structure stuff, so this would have been a separate branch from the node software.
COPA: Email with Satoshi, Gavin and Martti about issue tracker.
CSW: Yes
COPA: 2011 Satoshi giving Gavin Admin priv.
CSW: On SourceForge.
COPA: You liked his ideas?
CSW: I liked his ideas about ticketing a such. We had set up the BitcoinDotOrg forums outside of SourceForge because they were bad. We wanted to archive comms and then save everything
COPA: Satoshi final email to Gavin
CSW: From the GMX email.
COPA: You urge him to give more credit to devs and open source.
CSW: Yep. To focus on script, scaling, etc... The main system should have been stable.
COPA: Satoshi was content to see SourceForge to be deleted and bitcoin to go to Github.
CSW: SourceForge Forums, not the source code repo. The BitcoinTalk forum from BitcoinDotOrg replaced SourceForge, and the new helpdesk stuff was great because SourceForge was bad for that. At no point did I say the SVN should be removed.
COPA: There was no objection from Satoshi when Gavin wanted this moved.
CSW: I said I didn't care what was used for bug tracking and help desk.
COPA: Rather than controlling, Satoshi was keen to give devs more control.
CSW: Hell yes, under the constraints I set. Like TCP, it should have been set in stone. I wanted to build stuff on top of it and have Gavin mainstain the core.
COPA: Not a word like that.
CSW: I said it was set in stone
COPA: Not a word about Wlad about the move to Github
CSW: that only happened later in July 2011 when I was getting divorced and struggling with tons of other challenges. Wlad convinced Gavin to move.
COPA: The comms from Satoshi. You said you accepted a redundancy from BDO to focus on bitcoin. In Sydney time which is where you were in 2007-2008. Highest concentration of comms from Satoshi would have been 4AM hour.
CSW: Yes. I rest in the evening and work at night. I posted that I was "trashed" to Gavin.
COPA: A person working in Sydney would have been working weird hours then?
CSW: I'm a computer programmer. I always work all night.
COPA: It's strange to only work at night when you took redundancy from BDO to work.
CSW: Forum posts aren't work. I would do work, and then late at night I would chat.
COPA: ecash systems, you were worried about IP and other assets being seized. You put bitcoin and other assets in the trust. Tulip Trust?
CSW: WDI initially, but TUlip in 2011.
COPA: You said it's on harddrive with 15 Shamir slices.
CSW: YEs.
COPA: You have some, and others to Uyen, Mayaka, Dave and other corporate agents.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: 8 slices required to recreate the AES key?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You mention the trust here
CSW: the software to create the keys was called "the trust" but that's not the TUlip Trust.
COPA: You generated keys to sign in 2016?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You said the Genesis block doesn't have a public or private key associated with it?
CSW: You can generate a pub key without knowing the private key.
COPA: You have said Genesis block doesn't have those though?
CSW: Key structure, hashed, doesn't act like a typical key. It's a keyless key. No private key.
COPA: The drive didn't have a Genesis private key then?
CSW: Correct
COPA: Can't show how?
CSW: I could show you how.
COPA: You don't have a cryptographic means to show?
CSW: Not cryptographic.
END FOR THE DAY.
CSW: Yes. I rest in the evening and work at night. I posted that I was "trashed" to Gavin.
COPA: A person working in Sydney would have been working weird hours then?
CSW: I'm a computer programmer. I always work all night.
COPA: It's strange to only work at night when you took redundancy from BDO to work.
CSW: Forum posts aren't work. I would do work, and then late at night I would chat.
COPA: ecash systems, you were worried about IP and other assets being seized. You put bitcoin and other assets in the trust. Tulip Trust?
CSW: WDI initially, but TUlip in 2011.
COPA: You said it's on harddrive with 15 Shamir slices.
CSW: YEs.
COPA: You have some, and others to Uyen, Mayaka, Dave and other corporate agents.
CSW: Yes.
COPA: 8 slices required to recreate the AES key?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You mention the trust here
CSW: the software to create the keys was called "the trust" but that's not the TUlip Trust.
COPA: You generated keys to sign in 2016?
CSW: Yes.
COPA: You said the Genesis block doesn't have a public or private key associated with it?
CSW: You can generate a pub key without knowing the private key.
COPA: You have said Genesis block doesn't have those though?
CSW: Key structure, hashed, doesn't act like a typical key. It's a keyless key. No private key.
COPA: The drive didn't have a Genesis private key then?
CSW: Correct
COPA: Can't show how?
CSW: I could show you how.
COPA: You don't have a cryptographic means to show?
CSW: Not cryptographic.
END FOR THE DAY.
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