Long covid clinics are full of previously healthy people. 🧐
Where are all the
-rheumatology patients on DMARD or biological medication?
-diabetics?
-cardiac patients?
Are their medications protective for long Covid?
A study in Scotland looked at some medications at time of Covid infection and found injectable anti-coagulants to be the only one that was protective.
But many meds they could not analyse for various reasons
We urgently need to look at them all.
Some rheumatologists have already postulated that their medications may be protective-
Dr Laster said in 2022 said he was not seeing much long Covid in his patients on immunosuppressive therapy
This mirrors what I have observed
This could be due to reduction in IL-6 levels.
But what about viral persistence- one would think immunosuppressants would lead to more persistence?
Article here healio.com/news/rheumatol…
Of course there has been a lot of fuss about metformin preventing long Covid. That may well cover the diabetics.
This study found a 41% lower incidence of long Covid in patients in the metformin group.
And those with pre-existing cardiovascular disease- are NOACs( Novel oral anticoagulants ) for atrial fibrillation protective?
We know that Covid-19 causes a hypercoaguable state ( eg more likely to clot)
A 2022 study on NOACs found a lower risk of testing positive for SARS-CoV-2&severe COVID-19 outcomes than non-users;
? Effect of medication or more cautious behaviours.
This is a group that should be at higher risk..
In this study treating long Covid with ‘triple therapy’
(dual antiplatelet therapy and a NOAC- Apixaban) This was the result from 91 patients. All had ‘Fibrinaloid Microclots’ on fluorescent microscopy
They postulated that Fibrin amyloid microclots, platelet hyperactivation/ aggregation, and widespread endothelialitis inhibit the transport of oxygen at a capillary/cellular level and cause the symptoms of long Covid.
Could it be those who are higher risk for Covid-19 have better access to anti-virals at time of infection? This meta-analysis concluded that PASC (long Covid) was 27.5% lower in the antiviral treatment group than in the nonantiviral group
Whatever the reason- we need to look into why long Covid clinics are full of previously healthy working age adults. It is of utmost importance given how devastating long Covid is and the rising number of people unable to work due to Ill health since 2020
2.8 million people aged 16-64 are not in the workforce due to ill health in the UK.
‘With 688,000 more people out of the workforce since before the pandemic, 6.6% of 16-64-year-olds are now economically inactive for health reasons, a record high since 1993.’
It’s possible to hide Covid-19 and long Covid figures by not testing or counting/ but we always knew they would turn up in the Ill health statistics.
Good graph here @jukka235
Pink is long term sickness- rises steeply from 2020
If there is a way of preventing LC we should urgently be looking into it
If there are meds that are preventative it is high time we started testing again &protecting people from LC during infection.
Those who already have long Covid-we owe them the effort of finding treatments
The clues may be in those who are not in long Covid clinics….
These are just my observations and musings. Please do comment any thoughts/ideas.
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Study
🔴113 long Covid patients,39 healthy controls
📢Result
long Covid patients had complement activation (component is first line of immune system), and increased vascular markers.
Long Covid is an inflammatory&vascular disease🩸
They used proteomics to analyse blood.
🔴LC patients exhibited increased complement activation during acute disease, which persisted at 6-month follow-up.
The complement system is part of the innate immune system&contributes to immunity by targeting pathogens&damaged cells
🟢 blood complement levels normalized in Long Covid patients recovering before their 6-month follow-up
Do we actually have an end game for a virus that rots bloods vessels and trashes brain cells? 🧠
It will still kill us, just much more slowly
⏰ ⏰ ⏰
We still have time to change the trajectory- but I suspect there is a point at which one cannot undo all those infections..🦠
We could be storing up:
Dementia
Parkinson’s disease
MS
Cardiac failure
Strokes
Heart attacks
Metabolic issues
Diabetes
Fatty liver
Raised cholesterol
Effects on eyesight
Autoimmune diseases
Damaged immune systems that can’t fight normal infections
And more…
That’s in addition to all the problems from long Covid already affecting people.
Spreading a disease with no cure that we can’t become immune to makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
We aren’t even trying.
Like not even a tiny teeny weeny bit.
Shameful.
Throwing children with ME/CFS into water to ‘make’ them swim since they were adamant it was psychological. They did not swim. They nearly downed.
This is the murky history of #MECFS
And still there are those who insist ME/CFS is psychological.
HOW is this medicine?
We may have stopped throwing children into swimming pools but not much else has changed. Those with #LongCovid are now going through the same thing with being told it is psychological and to exercise their way out of it.
How long will this continue?
I treat the medical problems I see.
I see autonomic dysfunction, a hyper immune response, viral reactivation and endothelial dysfunction. Amongst other pathologies.
How long until others see it? 👀
Some already do but not many.
@doctorasadkhan @Sunny_Rae1
‘Anyone that was going to have long Covid has it by now’.
Nope. There is not a ‘type’ of person who gets #LongCovid that is wishful thinking.
There may be some susceptibilities but anyone can get long Covid.
I saw people throughout 2023 who had got
It after multiple infections
The @StatCan_eng study showed long Covid increased by infection.
By infection 3, 38% had long Covid symptoms
That does not look like a graph showing the susceptible got it on
Infection 1 and everyone else was A-ok. 🤷🏻♀️
Add to that the data from @zalaly reinfection study which clearly shows cumulative burden of disease with REINFECTION
There has been many amazing #LongCovid studies recently I’ve just been mulling them over.
🏆 long covid patients get muscle NECROSIS with exercise.
N-protein in the muscles but ALSO controls.
We are going to find viral persistence everywhere, aren’t we?
No one wants to say it
‘Exercise-induced amyloid-containing deposit accumulation in skeletal muscle’
What???
Why on earth are we telling these people to exercise?
So they can destroy their muscle tissue and deposit more amyloid and feel terrible?
There is a baseline of amyloid in pre pandemic samples but higher in LC patients and higher after exercise
‘The underlying reason…remains Elusive’
Amyloid was Expected to be found in capillaries. Repeating may work this out. ? Issues with lab technique.
Multiple potential causes of #POTS including autoimmunity, mitochondrial cytopathy, diabetes, B6 toxicity, sjogrens.
We are not doing a good job in the UK of investigating for these,the US is miles ahead.
Read for some root causes of #POTS
Most people I see with (usually undiagnosed) POTS have got it after #covid
Covid seems to have a predilection for the autonomic nerves.
However, it was prevalent in #MECFS long before Covid.
Always check for POTs if symptomatic of post viral symptoms or ME.
This poster summary is super interesting as I don’t think we do always investigate underlying causes. I’m sure something would be said if I suddenly started testing everyone’s B6 levels. But if 10% have toxicity we should