Thread by @369bsv

Day 9 15th of February 2024

The start of day and sadly i did not get a picture this morning. We sit in the court and craig and his wife do not seem to be here. My guess is they are taking a well earned rest now that the cross examination is over.

I see four btc maxis in the corner and there is very few people in the court today.

making my way to the court i saw Judge Mellow in his normal clothes and greeted him good morning.

6 witnesses will not be cross examined by shoosmith. We hear a list of the names of the developers who will not be cross examined.

There evidence can not be disputed and dr wright made claims that were inconsistent with the witnesses testimony.

by not cross examining he cant revoke any evidence that comes out

copa do not want to call them to respond to dr wrights claims

One of the witnesses is the btc devs only witness

btc devs lawyer says it maybe interesting for the lord to hear a "real" bitcoin developer witness testimony.

Lord Grabaner says no good deed goes unpunished.

Bird and Bird provided an aggressive letter this morning

Dr pang is the first witness to be called to the stand and he is now on screen

he raises the Jerusalem bible and swears the evidence he give will be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth

Lord Grabaner welcomes dr pang and welcomes him

we now see a witness statement from Dr pang

We now see the signature and a confirmation that the statement is true.

He talks about how he has watched Gavin Mehl and the coin geek website but not the exact live stream trial.

Dr pang is a researcher in using software tools for analysing biological material

We now go threw his history and they say he was hired BDO in data analytics.
He says he had a break were he was writting his thesis
and they finalise his experience and history

They ask when Dr pang first met Craig at BDO Kendalls

he did some casual work for hotwire pe between 2013 to 2015
he says he was definitely an employee.

hotwire was the only company that he worked for

they ask if he co wrote a information security guid co authored with dr wright. bdo did not use the paper and so craig asked if he could give him permission to use it and dr pang wanted to provide greater references for his paper

was he the sole author of it. he says he write it solely and dr wright reviewed it and he doesnt remember dr wright making any big changes. more just needing references and and grammar errors.

copa call dr pang, dr wright by accident and we now see a paper on screen called how to build data ANALYSYES AND fraud protection.

The authors are identified as Ignatius Pang and Craig Wright.

The idea for the document was Craigs idea and dr pang wrote it. he wasnt directly paid for it but he did receive his agreed apon wages as a employee.

we now see the dr wright cv

He asks if this sums up the work Dr Wright was doing at BDO. Dr Pang says its a very birds eye view of his work and that Craig work needs more details to really highlight the intricate work he was doing.

he asks it is only part of it as he does very advance data analytics

The talk about a project they worked on to help analyses the data of online predators and possibly used in relation to a court case to who ever was being prosecuted.

we see on screen "Visualizing the social networks of aussiegirl and Homie" the work was to monitor the social networks of two individuals online chats.

the issue was they could use multiple names and multiple profiles. they ask was the objective to try to identify any profiles similar to Aussie Girl and Homie

They used a software created by someone else and the tool they used is for visualizing networks. we a graph of how her friends interacted with each other.

He says they are dr pangs interpretation

we see some of the names highlight ed. aussie guy aussie girl #1 and many other variations of the original aussie girl user name.

we now see a model for how homies contact interacted with each other.

They draw a conclusion that aussie girl isnt at the core of homie network. and that homie is chatting to more people the aussie girl and its not a conclusion its an observation

most of homies friends are tightly connected whilst aussie girl is on the periphery and this summary was ordered for the court case. when he analysed the network he was asked not to read the messages as they could be unsettling and so for dr pang it was just data with no emotional attachment

there was 3 concepts from his biological background.

1st concept

guilt by association is if they are highly linked from the data analyses and originated from social networks

2nd concept.

concerns of proteins within protein networks are parts of cause and bind effectively together.

3rd concept i missed.

he now talks about how this previous work in biological work can work very well in the machine networks modelling

it was his first data analytics job outside of academia

he was helping the defense of someone who was being accused of grooming.

he thanked him for his biological analysis

he has a discussion about a lego set he bought for his birthday and they had a discussion about how pang should build a block chain and he found this odd and why didnt he use the words chain of blocks.

He bought a lego set of batman hitting a ice cream truck that the joker was used. he suggested to dr wright it maybe a collecters item and would be worth alot of money.

craig challenged him to build a block chain and that he could use lego tecnic bricks that are bricks that can make more complicated models like remote control cars and gears.

craig said it would be very easy to create it using technic bricks and dr pang should not use those bricks. dr pang says it came to his memory during the course of remembering his witness statement to ontier

he asked how he would build a leg block chain and it was like a recursive chinese chain puzzle and then walked out the door. we now see a chinese recursive chain puzzle on screen

building a that model of a chain would be very difficult and trying to make that out of lego bricks would be a hopeless task and pang says it wouldnt be impossible but it wouldnt fun to play with and that if they build something like that it wouldnt with stand the usual play standards.

they run threw the discussion and dr pang says things that are funny and non sensical like he ate babe the pig from the movie babe.

he says it was making fun of him and he says its a very confusing joke and it didnt make sense at the time and it doesnt make sense now.

this hazy recollection may be hazy in the constext of the story but the fact he mentioned block chain is very clear in his mind

he doesnt say there was connection and there are other witnesses with him when he mentioned the world bitcoin

we then look into another discussion had with dr wright about a japanese name. it took place after he returned to the office after he contracted whooping cough. it would be right after october before the end of november and it would of been early november maybe.

dr wright asked if they knew anybody called a japanese sounding name called satoshi nakamoto.

he wrote the name in a notebook which he has lost and he said he googled the name and saw a reference to bitcoin to do with the name.

he says if clark kent went around asking if anyone knows someone called superman it wouldnt be a great idea. he says it is a hazy memory but he is being truthful

he asks him if he is aware of c01n making a claim as a contractor for work done for them. pang was not aware and that there was 2 very high ranking officers and he was asked to be there in support of craigs claims

we now see an ato document with reason for decision across the first cover

we now read on the 14th of august 2014. it incurred $5000 OF EXPENDITURE to dr pang and the licenses were given to dr pang. dr pang doesnt know what those licenses are and he can not give him a copy. he has taken money for work but he doesnt know what right license they would be. 1st june 2013 issued by dr wright to c01n

dr pang doesnt know about sps licenses and his expertise has never used sbs license ever in his work. he has not used sbs licenses in any of his work.
dr wright invoived coin as a agent for you. did dr pang have a arrangement where he provided services to coin without a specific contracts. he say he can not tell as he just did what ever wright requested from him.

he calls the lawyer My lord and the lawyer asks him to not call him my lord. Lord Grabaner says all in due time and they all laugh. he says he doesnt want to put himself in jail for that.

he still has the laptop and printer that were paid for via the ato request.

the way it was presented was c01n provided the laptop and and hotwire provided the printer via a consultancy basis rather then an employment basis

the ato said that the tax payer had provided contradictory claims and pang says he was an employee and certainly didnt recieve any licenses.

copa now have a little whisper and he thanks him and says that is all his questions.

Lord Grabaner says he does not need to question dr pang further

we have a short break

We now see a gentlemen on screen called Mr Jenkins

Robert James Jenkins swears by almighty god that the evidennce that i shall give shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

Lord Grabaner now tells mr jenkins that his witness statement is true and the signature is true.

he says he hasnt watched any of the trial. hes seen some commentry and transcripts and only headline he has interacted with.

there first interactions was with Vodafone and he hired demorgan to implement some security features.

we now see one of dr wrights cv. the cv doesnt mention the vodafone as a highlight.
He says he taylors his cv to specific jobs and so may not of been necessary for the particular target he was appraoching

He says it was an evolving area and so back in the 90s it was not standard work and the work was carried out by demorgan and not craig directly.

we here about a log file. is it a specific log file i.e the one protected by the biometrics and its a combination of the log file is associated with the traffic flow threw the log file.

there was logs of multiple other employees aswell as craig. he uses the term genesis log entry. his recollection of how you can protect a log file from being tampered with and the description he gave them was hashing the serial log file and operational log and a new log file. at the time craig describes it as a genesis log file entry as the first entry of the log file. he does not mention about hashing in the testament though

the discover of craig being satoshi was a point in time rather then some a long period of time. when he heard that news he asks if he has discussed him being satoshi and at the time it was a different aspect and hey was discussion the fact he IS satoshi

he remembers that dr wright contacted to ask about ohagans contacting him for a book in early 2016 and at that point he was aware craig was satoshi.

he says each log file has a incremental serial number. he left vodafone and his memory of the technical details is now 24 years ago. each entry had its own unique identifier. he says it was a sequential data base he says no more like a sequential list was being created.

the next part of the statement about e gold to times in his career. he left vodafone in early 2000s and left to go to COmindico

it was before ebay and before paypal and he remembers criag and him talked about egold was readily available in australia. readily available in australia is a different matter.

he says may they may of been available but there wasnt any services in australia and at that time there was only an escrow service available in australia.

we now see a transcript about the previous court case where he agreed to give the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

he asked did he take interest in e gold and he bought into it in 2001 and had interest in egold . this evidence is 2000 to 2002.

he found out her was able to be quite specific as he was aloud to go threw old emails and this time he was not aloud. he said there was also emails of refrence of egold so he knew exactly and he was told to do do that this time for this trial.

he says the transcript is the first time he has seen the document on screen and he has not received any version of the transcript.
egold provided a escrow like service and on another part it was neccasarily a thing and it wasnt a primary focus for him as he was interested in telecomms.

he reads the documents

it seems to suggest to him it was a range of discussion topics at the time and egold was one of them.

they are ask how much contact did he have with dr wright. around this time he would bump into him maybe every 18 months to 2 years at a conference or something

the other statement says they didnt have any discussion abiut digital currencies and it was one of many subject they spoke about. they was talking about the trust side of things rather then digital currencys. the there was conversations why we trust a piece of paper in our wallet which effectively is a promissory note

he quotes not in verbatim but talks about the trust of escrow services and the fact we trust in someone rather then trusted computer systems.

was it just himself that was using egold and he knew that craig knew about egold and there was several competitors but in australia the prevalent one is egold and of the mix bag of them was the most trustworthy

he again asks he can remember the other one and he cant remember but he maybe able to check his emails.

he was aloud to research his own information and emails to search the emails and this time he wasnt able too as he was mot aloud to refresh his memory. it wouldnt just be recollection it would be factual backed up by documents

dr wright and mr jenkins had discussed many topics that could relate to bitcoin. they also discussed his involvement in banks and arcitectal solutions for the banking industry, opera, grid computers, operational risk advisor. he list a host of things they discussed. it mostly techy stuff and mobile banking and what you could do if you had a transaction system in the palm of your hand. he likely spoke about banking stuff when he was working for banks and mobile stuff when he was working in telecomms

he remember craig saying block chain in 2008. thats his recollection his first refrence to bitcoin was later and he said hindsight allowed him to come to the conclusion he was satoshi.
they say there isnt a document where he refrences block chain. there maybe emails where he refrences blockchain and he says he maywell have evidence of email in 2008 that have refrence block chain from craig wright and he was told not to look up any information.

he doesnt believe he has connected anything to the blockchain he maywell have documents he was asked to not refresh his memory so they may well exist.

block chain doesnt appear in the whote paper and he is aware of that.

he had an interest in currencys in 2005 and he isnt suggesting because craig was interested in fiat that would make him satoshi.

the conversation came up because of the projects mr jenkins was working and he says some of the discussion they was having was about currency at the time he was working within banking.

he doesnt remember the projects name as he has not been aloud to refer back and the conversation came up when he was looking to pay for lunch with cash and that how the major discussion came about

they talk about grid computing and with opera and cicero and he isnt suggestion they invented it.

it wasnt the first instanc ebut probably the most famous in the late 90s

he says that the discussion arose from his work not dr wrights work

he asks if nodes are a basic science term. he says he has no disclosed document to refer to this terms and that he is looking back and opera was referred to in the previous court cases.

he trys to relate it too something more famillar to him as the conversations with craig are very complex so analogys for him was an easier way to digest

we move forward chronologically and whilst he was working for bt and he and dr wright were discussing banking at a time he was working for a bank.
bt was already providing services to the commonwealth bank. he believes he spoke about block chain conversations in in pre 2009 and if it had come out at that time and craig being satoshi is something he realised much later.

he says the intent of looking back was for the previous case and to look at any mentions of block chain. unfortunately we have been deprived of that information in this trial and he talks about the time when he first discussed block chain. it was about the time the napkin drawing was created and craih put that in his pocket to not allow any ip to escape

he ties that discussion to a lunch he had in 2008 and they dont dispute the fact of a lunch they dispute the information discussed in the lunch. he says these lunches were short and far between so it was easy for him to remember and he says there was a moment in time of what you was doing at the time and he is refering the financial crash of 2008 and so it very stuck in his mind

dr wright asked him to do some mining. mining is a standard computer term. in the terms of mining coins was not something he was aware of at the time. was this refrence to mining was for mr jenkins to run the code on his computer system so it would effectively secure the information being disrupted between computer nodes and it needed to be disrupted amongst computer nodes

Bitcoin wasnt mentioned to him at that particular time and he explained its the execution of code and what mining was and what it would contribute to.

we now see a video from coingeek called bitcoin 101 and we see a picture of craig in court smiling at mr jenkins and then looking down at the monitor.

they now talk about the conversations regarding on bitcoin. he said it was early 2011 he first heard the term bitcoin and he tied that memory to being at west pack. and it was september 2010 when he started west pack.

in the witness he says he remebers hearing the word bitcoin in 2009 or 2010. the lawyer says that cannot be correct. with the recording he had the benefit of the tool of recollection and this time he hasnt had any ability to refresh his memory this time.
he says it can not be in 2009 and mr jenkins says in his statement 2009 or 2010. the timing of westbank is a specific relation to remembering because of the relation to west bank and as he said previously he had the testimoney in the first case would be better because he had all the details available and now his recollections are longer.

the focus of conversations very much related to the focus of his working roles at the time of the conversation.

craig never sent him a white paper and he pondered and said you may get something in the post relating to the thing we have been speaking to over the years

he says there is a smattering of errors and to be specific he didnt SEND him something but that doesnt mean he didnt SHOW him something.

after that period of time and after he was outted as satoshi nakamoto that he heard like many others threw the news that he never told him he was satoshi.

he asked what his reaction to the fact dr wright was satoshi nakamoto and he says hindsight is a wonderful thing and then as he recalled all his conversations with him in his head he had an epiphany that is was very credible that he was satoshi and so they say he can only speculate he is satoshi from looking back threw the prism of hindlight

he says he is a wonderfully smart and that he shys away from recognition and then sees the flip side where he is very gregarious and so having a pseudonym would be very craig like.

they go over the fact that because of there discussions are all relevant to dr jenkins at the time of the interactions are because HE was involved in and they say it relevance's is not to craig.... he asks him if he is satoshi nakamoto and he pauses for a long time and say he is not. we all have a chuckle as he used the pause for dramatic effect.

Lord grabaner then stands and goes back to the witness statement

jenkins says he would define his memory as being any worse then anyone else and in the first court he was able to discover an enormous amount of data so it wouldnt of been casting his mind back 20 years it would be casting his mind back 18 months and so it was alot easier.

we go to the transcripts of today.

talking about sending anything rather then showing him something. they ask did he show him something.

he was shown a paper that mentioned bitcoin and time coin and the napkin drawing. he would of been shown before westbank and after the lunch with the napkin so around 2009.

this context was to show that the whitepaper had been drafted off the back of some of the conversions they had been having on their meetings.

we now see a timecoin white paper and he says it does look similar to the document he saw and what conversations can you recall

the key words he remembers was time and when he casts his mind back the time server played a critical role in the implementation and that stood out because the roles he was working on that the time and he mentions about the hash version of the data exchange and using the time server as a part of time coin and he was able to relate back.

Grabaner objects.

how many time does he mention time coin in his witness statement. none.
and in the ganarth case. none

he has some things written on the paper and has multiple pointers written down on a paper. his relocation of time coin came during his preparations. he says there was constantly representation of the bitcoin white paper and he has never ever seen bitcoin white paper.

copa try to say he has been prepared. he says the notes he wrote before was my lord and other points and then he has also made a few notes during the questions and when he comes to the memory of time coin it is a white paper that he does have a recollection.

he said he made he wrote my lord previously. he asks did he write timecoin were all written during the course of this interaction. he wrote my lord and the ushers instructions. he wrote a few things and he has been making notes whilst he has been speaking. he remembered that particular title of the document during the questioning and the lawyer says that is not true.

Judge Mellor releases the witness and we arrange the time for the 3rd witness to be interviewed at 2:10

we break for lunch

sorry guys im a little late. We are back into the proceedings and we now see Mr Yusef on screen. We see Mr Yusef halding his hand on the koran and swears by allah the whole truth and nothing but the truth. He comfirms his witnesses statement is truthful.

He refers to the lawyer as my lord and the judge says hes giving his testimony to the judge.

We now see the front page of Mr Yusefs Witness statement

Mr Yusef regards craig him as a mentor and a dear friend.

They ask him some of the political discussions and he says he doesnt remember the political discussions. He also asks about the religion and he says yes he can remember the talks about the religeon because dr wright has read the koran.

He says he has had future discussions about digital currencies and the idea of digital cash was introduced in the 80s. digi cash and e gold being some very early adoptions. visa and master card are the 2 major market players in the west. they go on to discuss disrupted networks are raised and he has at that time they was not a common feature at that time even if they are today

They now talk about their business dealings in 2011. orginally called Strussen then changed to C01N

in that evidence he said he was involved in the setting up of Straussen and running the company for 10 months then yusef went to malaysia and dr wright continued the company which then changed its name to CO1N

He asked if he was telling the truth in the previous hearings that he was involved in.

He was very fascinated by dr wrights ideas and the corporation was started when he moved back to sydney. he says corporation and starting the business plan etc. they had been working with the idea for a long time before the corporation was started.

10 months is the time from the incorporation date.

He doesn't remember the exact date when craig contacted him and he doesn't remember the exact date. its not referring to the departure date its referring ti the date that craig contacted him

we now see a transcript of evidence

They ask if he was still in malaysia at this time or was he somewhere else. The witness keeps closing his eyes to try to remember back 15 years ago

The evidence of his last testamony was when he left was 2011 but in this proceedings and granarth and he ties his recollections to the place where he was to tie to a place. He says he can check records no problem. He has not checked any records for this case.
He was not asked to look up any documents for this witness testimony

They say all they have to go on is the recollection of the issue. he says he first found out threw the news of dr wrights claim to be satoshi nakamoto.

he says he has not discussed it with him. he doesnt feel the need to find out if he is or isnt satoshi. The lawyer says its quite an incredible situation to not discuss his involvement. he agrees and says that is the basis of their friendship. friends dont need to prove who they are to other friends basically.

They ask about his involvement in CO1N when he moved to malayisa he was still registered as a director but it was only dr wright who was involved in the running of the business

This is reason for decisions from the aussie tax office

and it offers reason for decisions regarding CO1N

We see another reasons for decision of 2 consecutive tax years. The tax shortfall is just under 5 million.

there was 2000 shares issues and mr yusef had 500 shares issued and he was appointed as director

the document says he seized to be a director on the 21st of march 2014 and the tax office says he was still a director. Mr Yusef had no reason to come back to sydney and so he decided to resign and was it after the 21 march or before and he said he couldnt remember.

He doesnt exactly remember when he resigned. on page 3 we see bitcoin address and the tax payer referred to as CO1N

they did an audit on Co1N and there is certain fiduciary dutys and yusef says yes and dr wright is also a director.

Mr Yusef says he is not aware of this project. Scriptable money. Btc agents, transaction signing.

Craig provided an update on the company but is he not aware of anything that was happening in the company. Yusef was not aware of any of this and he believes Craig would of been involved in stating the information to the ato.

Yusef says he can not speak on this matter.

the deduction are 5 million and a r and d tax rebate of over 2 million. was he aware of the 5 million, no was he aware of 2 million rebate, no he wasnt.

he asks what he was doing in the 10 months.

he explains his job was trapping business and advisory, cyber security solutions, aswell they worked with craig to develp products that will help monitor the network

another deduction is shown where it was sought for money of over 2million paid to david rees

mr yusef doesnt know anything about any of these issues regarding the ato. he asks who might of taken that statement off the internet and he says dr wright had quite a few people supporting him so he doesnt know.

how many employees were in CO1N
there was not many but craig wright had very businesses and it was very difficult to have his time and was very busy with working with other companys

it says the contract has signed electronic signature. mr yusef has no knowledge of that statement of work.
it says they was provided on minute meetings between dr wright, ms watts and mr yusef. the board meeting notes and yusef has no recollection of those meetings. H e does not know if those are correct or not.

The statement of work talks about Co1n super computer. He says he remember Dr Wrights talking about it but he doesnt have knowledge of it and the lawyer says do you think there really was a super computer and mr yusef says just because i have not seen it does not mean i have to think it is a sham.

Mr Yusef was not aware of any messages and so everything being done here was done by dr wright. he says that maybe the case my lord.

He has heard about the tulip trust. back when he was visiting dr wright. and mentioned the structure of this company and that was the first time he had heard about the tulip trust.

He is not aware of any keys supplied and was not involved.

Dr Wright arranged for a site visit for the super computer and mr yusef says he was not aware of it but that doesnt mean it didnt exist. mr yusef was not aware of any super computer

They ask about what he knows of that email. The ATO record it was sent to mr yusef as a director and yusef knows nothing about this email he was sent from the ato. was he ever asked to check if such emails had been sent and he says no

He asks if he knows if those emails are real or not? he is not aware of those emails.

He has asked if he remembers anythign going on in CO1N at this time and he says no he was not aware.

They say it was designed to be a disguise and a sham verdict from the ato being handed down and yusef was not aware.

CO1N claims as yusef being director sais it was based on fabricated material and he is not aware who would fabricated.

Mr Yusef is not aware.

We take a 5 minute Break.

We are back from the break.... We go threw one more document of the ATO we now see a penalty and interest position. It is just under 1,900,000 as a penalty for an amount for a company he was director of.

they ask if he was ever paid any money for work done for CO1N/strasan and he was paid around 60 to 90 thousands.

When departed ways with CO1N was he paid to leave his role to leave co1n. he was not paid but he had an agreement of certain value and that craig will pay me a certain value for the certain amount of shares. it was about 200 to 300 thousand dollars.

he didnt get paid hense then non mention of it on paper work

We see an ato document saying he was in reguklar contact with dr wright asking for payments and he does not remember. the payments seems to amount to over 30 million .

the front page is read out to the court. then we see a summary written in the first person and its states he wants to remove any ownership from directors before what ever he was creating became big.

he then goes on to cost to help development and the ato to settle too. They say about Mr Yusef is owed due 300,000 back dated wages. he would wait to be paid out and removing him amicably now will not allow him to come back later for a larger piece of the pie.

he was not aware of this. he says he is not surprised by this. he was not paid anything. he says he just walked away. mr yusef says he was NOT paid even though they had an agreement

We now see an email chain with a list of people who were involved in the activity involving the super computer. he was involved in the starting of the company and if his initial contribution is involving him in the company but not in the super computer. he said he was made aware of the super computer but was not involved int he creation of the super computer

mr yusef says he did not receive the money and he did all the work in 2012 to 2013 and moved in the 2013 2014 tax year. he does not remember any dates but it was around that time. We look at the mr yusefs linked in. and the dates dont match up to the ato reports. the job in malaysia was a full time job and so he wasnt involved in anything to do with co1n in that time

The ato statement says there was 300k due and not currently paid. there was an agreement for dr wright to buy out the shares and dr wright did not pay him.

he said he had an agreement but wasnt paid any more and the amount due was 250k cash and 50k for shares of the new group.
the lawyer asks what was you invoicing CO1N. mr yusef has not invoiced for anything. He says the invoice for work could of been from the 10 months he did work and was not paid. his invoice was for the shares and invoicing a company for work

he is asked if he was involved in and if he ever chased him for money for work that he was invovled with and mr yusef says no

we see another email. talking about how it was just a verbal agreement. the judge says he is getting to the point where he has done this to death. lord grabaner says he can not answer on the behalf of others.

he says his disagreement is about him signing off on the company and his payment of shares

we see a skype correspondence and he asks about all the other people who have been identified as possibly being satoshi nakamoto. They say the reason he thinks he is satoshi is not because of the media.

Lord Grabaner says alot of that interview was targetted at craig not being a credible person.

The document 6565 has not been analysed by placks or dr lynch regarding the time coin whitepaper.

they dont know if it is forensically the same as the other time coin document and it is alledged to be a forgery and has pixelated screen shots.

That seems as if we are done for the day.
Lizz morgan, mark archibold and one other person who i was not able to hear the last witness

The judge leaves and day 9 IS OVER!!!!