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Mar 4 9 tweets 2 min read Read on X
Quite staggeringly confused debates about fiscal rules and the @OBR_UK "boxing the Chancellor in" over the last few days. A few clarifications as the Budget looms 🧵
Confusion 1: Lots of people saying today's fiscal rules being too tight is the problem. Just not true - these are the loosest rules ever. The Chancellor says they require debt to be falling but they really don't. Just that it’s FORECAST to fall in five years time.
Confusion 2: Conspiracy theorists claim the @OBR_UK has “boxed the Chancellor in”. This is just nonsense. Chancellors set their own fiscal rules and can change them whenever they like - as we've seen repeatedly over the past 15 years
Confusion 3: I've seen some people claim the @OBR_UK is too pessimistic. Those people have clearly not looked at 1) the OBR's current forecasts which are for FAR faster growth than the @bankofengland expects 2) their forecasting record (repeatedly too optimistic on growth)
We should focus on the real problems facing us fiscally, some of which do explain the challenge the Chancellor is having announcing the tax cuts he/the Prime Minister would like
Real problem 1: the economic and fiscal substance has got more challenging. Debt interest costs are up and growth is weak. That means less scope to run a loose fiscal policy and still see debt falling.
Real problem 2: the OBR’s forecasts are having too big an effect on Govt's economic/political strategy. But that is because the Chancellor left no headroom (£13bn is a rounding error in the public finances) back in the Autumn. Previous Chancellors have left far more wriggle room
Real problem 3: the fiscal rule problem isn’t that they are too tight, it’s that they provide a huge incentive for the Treasury to cut investment spending by treating it identically to day-to-day spending – building a train line and burning money in the street are identical…
Why is it so important to understand what the real problems are? Because these problems aren't going away - both main parties support the same fiscal rules and face the same economic/fiscal context

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Mar 5
Amidst all the tax cuts vs rises chat, we shouldn't miss that @Jeremy_Hunt is choosing a totally new approach to the shape of tax policy. Contrast him with @George_Osborne is probably the easiest way to see this 🧵
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- ignore problem of employees paying more tax than everyone else
In contrast @Jeremy_Hunt has:
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- employees, with tax cuts overwhelmingly focused on earned income (not choosing Tory core vote of pensioners/landlords)
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So bye bye £28bn green investment. Where does that leave us?
First scale of reduction. Lots of the reporting is way out. The old plan was ramping up extra spending to around £18bn/yr by end of Parliament – in practice that meant £40 - £60bn in total (can’t be specific because Labour weren’t). New plan is £24bn. So roughly halved.
That's a big reduction - which is rightly the news. But we shouldn't forget £24bn is still a very big deal. Those saying it’s a rounding error are just wrong. Had it been a new announcement today people would be saying it's a very big deal
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Some highlights from our Autumn Statement analysis (for the tiny minority who disgracefully haven't already read the whole thing)🧵 resolutionfoundation.org/publications/a…
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We're about to set a truly grim new record on living standards: this Parliament will be the first where households have lower incomes at its close than at it's opening. A 3.1% fall means we're set to be £1,900 poorer per household Image
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What has the upcoming Autumn Statement got in store? People have been predicting grim forecasts for the public finances - new @resfoundation analysis suggests this is likely to be wrong. The problem isn't that the forecasts will be bad - it's that they're based on a fiction🧵
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What’s going on? The @ONS is saying it doesn’t have confidence in its flagship Labour Force Survey. Which is awkward - it’s central to decisions the @bankofengland takes on interest rates or how much the government panics about ill health pushing people out of work
@ONS @bankofengland We’ve known we had a problem for a while - moving to phone surveys in the pandemic missed loads of renters and there is a huge discrepancy with other surveys since (labour force survey shows no increase in employment on pre-pandemic levels, tax/business data shows a 1m increase!)
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Rhetoric asise, the big picture economic argument of @RachelReevesMP speech: Britain needs to start investing again. This is 1) right 2) hard 🧵
She's not wrong 1. For almost all of the past two decades, the UK has been in the relegation zone (bottom 10%) of the OECD business investment league table.
She's not wrong 2. The same is true of public investment: the average OECD advanced economy has invested 50% more (relative to GDP) than the UK since the turn of the century - there's a reason we don't build many train lines or sort out our school rooves
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