🧵 Is there hybrid immunity for measles like for COVID? If so, should that be a public health goal?
Answer from Dr Mansour Haeryfur, President, Canadian Society for Immunology
*Replying in a personal capacity, not on behalf of CSI or UWO
b. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
"The goal for measles should be herd (population) immunity through vaccination, not breakthrough infections for several reasons:"
c. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
"With COVID19, we had no tangible choice but to rely on hybrid immunity..." 🧐😳
"...because mRNA vaccines have not been super-effective in “preventing infections". They were great at preventing/minimizing severe illness ..."
d. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
"When Omicron came along, we lucked out [😲] because this was a highly transmissible version of SARS-CoV-2, similar to measles virus, while primarily affecting the upper respiratory tract without causing severe illness in most cases."
e. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
"So, this [Omicron] was a blessing in disguise (in my opinion) and helped with hybrid immunity and in reducing the impact of the pandemic."
President of 🇨🇦 Society for Immunology, speaking in personal capacity via personal comm. Mar 2024
f. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
SARS-CoV-2 is similar to flu in terms of accumulating mutations. Measles virus is much more stable. And we have a choice – that is to use the vaccine and the booster to increase our immunity at individual and population levels..."
g. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
"One vaccine against measles virus is very effective, & 2nd dose is even more effective...Breakthrough infection-elicited immunity should never be a goal vis-à-vis measles, in my opinion."
h. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
"This is because if a previously unvaccinated (or not optimally vaccinated) individual contracts measles, the wildtype strain of the virus can cause rare but very serious complications."
cont'd below
i Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
"In addition, the wildtype virus can bind CD150, a cell surface molecule expressed by memory T and B cells (and innate-like T lymphocytes as we reported), thus causing "immune amnesia". "
j. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
"This means, memory and memory-like immune cells that have accumulated in the body due to previous vaccinations or infections (for/with any pathogens) can be killed by measles virus."
k. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
"...one could become prone to many unrelated infections simply because she/he has no recollection of previous encounters with microbes of vaccines. This is consistent with measles-induced
immunosuppression, which has been known for decades..."
l. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
"If we do not optimally vaccinate ...against measles, the so-called herd immunity is not reached, thus potentially compromising other vulnerable members of our communities..."
m. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
mRNA COVID vax only targeted Spike protein not the actual virions
vs
Measles vax is live attenuated whole virus
n. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
Not enough vaccinated [but not because of hybrid immunity sales pitch 🤔]. We need respectful vaccine education.
Not for COVID, though, is how I read this. 🤔
o. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
"Measles induced immunosuppression & heightened susceptibility infections...are well- established but ""immune amnesia" is a subject of intense investigations. ...Regardless...it can be easily avoided by the vaccines that are widely available."
p. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
For more information, refer to the following papers and interviews:
(Links in Alt text in image)
q. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity
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1/ Well, some #bced absence rate data was sent my way, and, even with some rough crunching, holy 💩!
❌hybrid immunity
❌schools are safe
❌kids were always this sick
Here's total fall (Sep-Dec 2022) absence rates compared to 2019.
2/ Let's look again. Remember, this is AFTER seroprevalence showed all the kids were infected with COVID. And AFTER the huge Omicron 1 wave that peaked early Jan 2022.
"We aren't seeing..." my 🫏.
Bonnie Henry, Adrian Dix, Rachna Singh knew how sick kids were.
#bced #bcpoli
3/ How many teachers off sick, how many parents off sick and/or caring for sick kids, how many grandparents sick, how many hospital visits correspond to 20% of #bced students absent from school?!
(Again - this is just Sep to Dec comparison. Jan probably worse. Data pending.)
1/ DYK that under the BC Workers' Compensation Act (under which the BC Occupational Health & Safety Reg falls), government workplaces like hospitals or schools are NOT EXEMPT from @WorkSafeBC regulations?
2/ DYK that @WorksafeBC is hard-wired in legislation to require an Engineering Firm Permit to Practice, and so is bound to follow @EngGeoBC Code of Ethics:
3/ DYK that in those #bcpoli workplaces that @WorkSafeBC is legally bound to protect & to hold their health & safety paramount by @EngGeoBC Code of Ethics, that THOUSANDS of healthcare & education workers were injured via infection w/RG3 biological agent
2/ 2.1.2.3 ASHRAE Standard 241-2023 “Control of Infectious Aerosols”. ...requirements of how ventilation systems will need to operate during any future “Infection Risk Management Mode” (“IRMM”)". As @joeyfox85 noted, it should be ALWAYS: itsairborne.com/ashrae-241-alw…
3/ We should be demanding Building Readiness Plans from each district for each school. And, of course, @joeyfox85 is ahead of the curve: itsairborne.com/transparency-b…
1/ For years (oh, god, it has been years) every request for scientifically & ethically sound COVID action has been met with denial and "We follow Bonnie Henry."
Now, I was taught that even the Queen herself (now King) could not direct a P.Eng to abandon ethics.
So ...
🧵
2/ @PHSAofBC runs @CDCofBC. BC CDC guidance is ref'd everywhere. So, I asked CEO.
"...help me to understand the legal roles and responsibilities for healthcare PPE decisions in BC? It's unclear when one considers PHO, PHSA itself, BCCDC...PicNet, and Worksafe BC."
3/
"..direction on Infection Prevention Control... incl COVID-19, is informed by Office of PHO and set by Ministry of Health...B.C. health authorities are equally accountable to Ministry of Health..."
[Hmmm. But @adriandix says he defers to Bonnie, not other way around]
Health Services Association of BC union (@hsabc) presents report from
Dr. John H. Murphy
BSc MHSc MBA PhD ROH CIH (🔥)
Principal - REA Group
Adjunct Professor - Occupational & Environmental Health, University of Toronto DLSPH
3/ The Mar 2020 Murphy report is very detailed. Dr Murphy 'knows his stuff' re: aerosol transmission and the implications for HCW and patient safety, even this early in the pandemic.
I understand that two doses of the measles vaccine are very effective; in fact, even one dose seems fairly protective. Nonetheless, the US CDC indicates about “3 out of 100 people with two doses of MMR vaccine will get measles if exposed to the virus”,