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🧵 Is there hybrid immunity for measles like for COVID? If so, should that be a public health goal?

Answer from Dr Mansour Haeryfur, President, Canadian Society for Immunology

*Replying in a personal capacity, not on behalf of CSI or UWO From: Mansour Haeryfar  <mansour.haeryfar@schulich.uwo.c a>  Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2024  7:09:20 AM  To: tracycasavant@gmail.com  <tracycasavant@gmail.com>  Cc: Prabhjot Kaur Sohal  <psohal5@uwo.ca>; Cynthia Fazio <cynthia.fazio@uwo.ca>; April  Kemick <akemick@uwo.ca>  Subject: RE: CSI position on Measles Hybrid Immunity  This reflects my perspective and is not an articulation of official Westen University policy (or that of the Canadian Society for Immunology) on issues being addressed.
b. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

"The goal for measles should be herd (population) immunity through vaccination, not breakthrough infections for several reasons:" Image
c. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

"With COVID19, we had no tangible choice but to rely on hybrid immunity..." 🧐😳

"...because mRNA vaccines have not been super-effective in “preventing infections". They were great at preventing/minimizing severe illness ..." 1. With COVID19, we had no tangible choice but to rely on hybrid immunity because mRNA vaccines have not been super-effective in “preventing infections". They were great at preventing/minimizing severe illness and they did indeed make a huge difference. This is why mucosal vaccines for COVID (similar to FluMist for flu) are being evaluated within and outside Canada.
d. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

"When Omicron came along, we lucked out [😲] because this was a highly transmissible version of SARS-CoV-2, similar to measles virus, while primarily affecting the upper respiratory tract without causing severe illness in most cases." 2. When Omicron came along, we  lucked out because this was a  highly transmissible version of  SARS-CoV-2, similar to measles  virus, while primarily affecting  the upper respiratory tract  without causing severe illness  in most cases. So, this was a  blessing in disguise (in my  opinion) and helped with hybrid  immunity and in reducing the  impact of the pandemic.
e. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

"So, this [Omicron] was a blessing in disguise (in my opinion) and helped with hybrid immunity and in reducing the impact of the pandemic."

President of 🇨🇦 Society for Immunology, speaking in personal capacity via personal comm. Mar 2024
f. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

SARS-CoV-2 is similar to flu in terms of accumulating mutations. Measles virus is much more stable. And we have a choice – that is to use the vaccine and the booster to increase our immunity at individual and population levels..." 3. SARS-CoV-2 is similar to flu in  terms of accumulating  mutations. Measles virus is  much more stable. And we  have a choice – that is to use  the vaccine and the booster to  increase our immunity at  individual and population levels  against this "extremely highly  transmissible but vaccine-  preventable disease".
g. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

"One vaccine against measles virus is very effective, & 2nd dose is even more effective...Breakthrough infection-elicited immunity should never be a goal vis-à-vis measles, in my opinion." 4. One vaccine against measles virus is very effective, and the second dose is even more effective. We want to take advantage of the beneficial effects of the measles vaccine as much as we can, and not leave anything to chance. Breakthrough infection-elicited immunity should never be a goal vis-à-vis measles, in my opinion. This is because if a
h. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

"This is because if a previously unvaccinated (or not optimally vaccinated) individual contracts measles, the wildtype strain of the virus can cause rare but very serious complications."

cont'd below opinion. This is because if a  previously unvaccinated (or not  optimally vaccinated) individual  contracts measles, the wildtype  strain of the virus can cause  rare but very serious  complications. In addition, the  wildtype virus can bind CD150,  a cell surface molecule  expressed by memory T and B  cells (and innate-like T  lymphocytes as we reported),  thus causing "immune  amnesia". This means, memory
i Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

"In addition, the wildtype virus can bind CD150, a cell surface molecule expressed by memory T and B cells (and innate-like T lymphocytes as we reported), thus causing "immune amnesia". "
j. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

"This means, memory and memory-like immune cells that have accumulated in the body due to previous vaccinations or infections (for/with any pathogens) can be killed by measles virus." Image
k. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

"...one could become prone to many unrelated infections simply because she/he has no recollection of previous encounters with microbes of vaccines. This is consistent with measles-induced
immunosuppression, which has been known for decades..." (for/with any pathogens) can  be killed by measles virus. As a  result, one could become prone  to many unrelated infections  simply because she/he has no  recollection of previous  encounters with microbes of  vaccines. This is consistent  with measles-induced  immunosuppression, which has  been known for decades and  which I referred to in my  previous interviews with media  outlets e.g., BBC, National  Geographic, etc.). If we do not
l. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

"If we do not optimally vaccinate ...against measles, the so-called herd immunity is not reached, thus potentially compromising other vulnerable members of our communities..." Geographic, etc.). If we do not  optimally vaccinate our  children and community  members against measles, the  so-called herd immunity is not  reached, thus potentially  compromising other vulnerable  members of our communities  (the elderly, the  immunocompromised, and the  children who do not receive  vaccination for religious  reasons).
m. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

mRNA COVID vax only targeted Spike protein not the actual virions

vs

Measles vax is live attenuated whole virus 5. Let's not forget the mRNA vaccines against COVID19 targeted only one protein of the  virus (the Spike protein) (and  they are not the actual virions), whereas the vaccine strain of measles virus (in MMR) is a live attenuated whole virus (and all of its components as immunogenic materials).
n. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

Not enough vaccinated [but not because of hybrid immunity sales pitch 🤔]. We need respectful vaccine education.

Not for COVID, though, is how I read this. 🤔 6. Unfortunately, the pandemic slowed or delayed childhood immunization programs, and we had predicted that it would be only a matter of time (not if) when measle outbreaks would resurface. Natural disasters, the ease of global travel, and anti-vaccine sentiments have not been helpful either. We need to catch up with immunization protocols. At the same time, educating the public and engaging anti- vaccine individuals and groups (peacefully and respectfully) will go a long way, in my personal view.
o. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

"Measles induced immunosuppression & heightened susceptibility infections...are well- established but ""immune amnesia" is a subject of intense investigations. ...Regardless...it can be easily avoided by the vaccines that are widely available." 7. Finally, please note while measles-induced immunosuppression and the heightened susceptibility to unrelated infections that is associated with this phenomenon are well- established, the concept of "immune amnesia" is a subject of intense investigations. There are other potential underlying mechanisms for measles- induced immunosuppression. Regardless of what causes immunosuppression, it can be easily avoided by the vaccines that are widely available.
p. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

For more information, refer to the following papers and interviews:

(Links in Alt text in image) For more information, refer to the following papers and interviews:  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30 470742/  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32 623457/  https://journals.plos.org/plospathog ens/article?  id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1009071  https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/I ondon/immune-amnesia-measles- research-1.6670701  https://www.nationalgeographic.co m/premium/article/rising-measles- cases
q. Measles & COVID hybrid immunity

End of email from Dr Mansour Haeryfar, President of Canadian Society for Immunology https://lfpress.com/news/local- news/western-university-measles-  research-underscores-widespread- value-of-vaccines  https://www.downtoearth.org.in/ne ws/africa/measles-cases-double-in- 1st-2-months-of-2022-what-does-  this-warn-us-of-82689  Best wishes, Mansour Haeryfar  <image003.png>  Dr. S.M. Mansour Haeryfar (he/him/his)  President, Canadian Society for

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2/ Text of my inquiry (1)

I understand that two doses of the measles vaccine are very effective; in fact, even one dose seems fairly protective. Nonetheless, the US CDC indicates about “3 out of 100 people with two doses of MMR vaccine will get measles if exposed to the virus”,
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