Most of those HOPs have deployed Bickle’s teachings and have bought into the prophetic history at some level. Some of them even have former #ihopkc staff members as founders or leaders.
IHOPKC also sent IHOPU students to other HOPs to do practicums.
#IHOPKC leaders, like their ELT level leaders, traveled to other HOPs and established relationships with their leaders.
When Mike says they never established “franchises,” that is technically true, but not practically true.
HOP leaders/founders sometimes (often?) had gatherings among themselves where they “strategized” and discussed what was appending in the movement prophetically. Mike and/or other #ihopkc leaders were often (maybe always?) present at these summits (consortia?).
There are scores of people whose lives have been adversely impacted by #ihopkc and Mike Bickle. Some have never met or held close proximity to him.
I mention these things not to center other experiences in the middle of this specific context, but to show how deep this runs.
There are broad levels of impact and complicity in the destruction that this movement has caused. There are people for whom #ihopkc and Mike represent something positive, but there are a lot of people who have been harmed. And HOP leaders past and present need to own this.
And they need to repent and apologize and move forward with their communities in ways that make sense in their respective contexts, while also divesting from Mike and #ihopkc.
The charismatic prayer movement has to take responsibility for Mike, et al and work to make sure that the people who were complicit in the harm and coverup at #ihopkc never, EVER have a seat at any table.
There has to be a widespread examination of theology and practices. Things can’t keep going on as they have been for the past 60 years. #ihopkc is fruit from a well poisoned with narcissism and lies.
And, again, #ihopkc must never be allowed to rebrand or otherwise re-establish itself in the ecosystem. To permit this to happen would be like a dog returning to its vomit.
Which is why HOP leaders past and present need to take a stand, even if that stand puts them out of step with the rest of the charismatic movement. We’ve seen how useful they’ve been the past six months. #ihopkc
Ally, how do you know this stuff?
I know what I know because I know it and have lived it. I was a staffer at a HOP and a dyed in the wool Pentecostal/Charismatic.
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Yes, #ihopkc should pay restitution to every student, intern, and staffer that has been part of the organization for the past 25 years. And if that bankrupts the ministry, Mike Bickle, and the 50-11 other associated businesses, ministries, and NPOs then so be it.
The fact that Bennett, Candlet, et al are acting as if #ihopkc paying victims damages is something negative tells you all you need to know about their mindset.
They don’t give a heck about people. They care about the ministry foremost.
And here I was (and I’m sure many of you, too) thinking that we were giving up our lives to pray in little rooms across the country because we weren’t trying to build anything but were giving extravagant devotion to Jesus. #ihopkc
Now would you take a look at this crap. It’s authentic. I went through the trouble of authenticating it so I know that it is what it purports to be: a screenshot from a meeting with #IHOPKC leaders.
I also have confirmation from multiple sources reporting similar info.
If you’re not exactly sure what you’re looking at…
It’s a document that are purportedly notes from a meeting with #IHOPKC staffers.
If this info is true, and I have reason to believe that it is, we have evidence of a false narrative being propagated within IHOPKC.
If, somehow, this information isn’t true, we have a concerted effort from within #IHOPKC to spread disinformation that discredits the #ArmchairInvestigstors.
This is the thorniest of all of the standards, so I want to tackle it first.
IHOPKC leadership has used claims from four of the six “alleged victims” that they didn’t give the whistleblowers “permission…”
🧵…to use their names in making allegations against Bickle (the women also claim that they are not victims).
I want to establish right off the bat that I am not evaluating if and whether what these women have said is true…
#ihopkc
🧵…because whether these revelations are true or not bears no impact on the issue of “asking permission” here. My argument is about the implications of these claims and not their substance.
I am so tired of people with privilege telling marginalized folks how they should feel about their oppression.
I’m also tired of people from marginalized groups being the first ones to jump up and say “I don’t feel oppressed/etc. by the stuff others marginalized folks do.”
Some of y’all really be on some pick me nonsense.
Being callous to other people’s suffering really isn’t the flex that you think it is.
If something don’t bother you, fine. But can you at least shut up and let the people who are hurt talk? Why do you gotta show out?
Y’all are so quick to dismiss people’s experiences and feelings and I just don’t get it?
There are a lot of folks with whom I share a social position that I disagree with. I’ve seen a lot of people go to the mat over stuff that I couldn’t care less about. But I still listen.
Personality tests are great for helping us understand ourselves and others, though I think that it’s important to note that their pop psychology bint can make them hard to take seriously, especially if the tests aren’t well crafted.
And then there’s the white supremacy…
In ministry circles, the personality tests that I’ve run into the most are Meyers-Briggs, the DISC, and the most popular one right now…the Enneagram. About 20yrs ago, people also talked about the four humors: phlegmatic, sanguine, choleric, and melancholic. I’m not sure…
What rest was associated with the latter, but I remember people trying to type me according to those thing yeas ago…I was a psych major back then and v confused.
Note: I’m talking personality tests and not “spiritual gifts” assessments. Big difference.
People: We’ve been hurt by certain doctrines and practices within the church. Maybe we could change the culture so we don’t have to choose between our faith and well-being.
Pastors: Y’all just want to sin…something something…the Bible is still true…blah blah…holiness.
People are literally saying “I am struggling with my faith because the culture of the church doesn’t match what I thought was true in scripture. I am literally being harmed by the church’s practices. I am struggling with doctrines that don’t match up w/ my knowledge base. Help.”
And instead of listening to folks and bearing their burdens, a lot of pastors and church leaders are out here putting burdens on people that are too heavy to bear and aren’t doing Jack spit to ease the load.