I want to say this separately again and very loudly. The carnage from #ihopkc and Mike Bickle expands far beyond Kansas City.

If you look at the top 100 major cities in the US, most have or have had a HOP built on the IHOPKC model…

https://twitter.com/thearmchaircom/status/1780488594442108958

Most of those HOPs have deployed Bickle’s teachings and have bought into the prophetic history at some level. Some of them even have former #ihopkc staff members as founders or leaders.

IHOPKC also sent IHOPU students to other HOPs to do practicums.

Yes, #ihopkc should pay restitution to every student, intern, and staffer that has been part of the organization for the past 25 years. And if that bankrupts the ministry, Mike Bickle, and the 50-11 other associated businesses, ministries, and NPOs then so be it. The fact that Bennett, Candlet, et al are acting as if #ihopkc paying victims damages is something negative tells you all you need to know about their mindset.

They don’t give a heck about people. They care about the ministry foremost.

The gag is that the Boomers (and Silents) have been trying to (re)create their idealized memory of that time (most weren’t there).

A lot of what we’ve seen in the Charismatic movement since the 80s has been Boomers/Silents trying to re-live their glory days at others’ expense.

https://twitter.com/realprophetguy/status/1771272487407370481

I actually had a dream a couple of mornings ago where I was waiting with other elder millennials outside of a room where I knew that a bunch of corrupt Boomer charismatic leaders were. They were playing a game with my generation and not letting us in the room…

Now would you take a look at this crap. It’s authentic. I went through the trouble of authenticating it so I know that it is what it purports to be: a screenshot from a meeting with #IHOPKC leaders.

I also have confirmation from multiple sources reporting similar info. If you’re not exactly sure what you’re looking at…

It’s a document that are purportedly notes from a meeting with #IHOPKC staffers.

If this info is true, and I have reason to believe that it is, we have evidence of a false narrative being propagated within IHOPKC.

🧵Re: #IHOPKC’s “Report on initial findings” pt3

**Asking permission**

This is the thorniest of all of the standards, so I want to tackle it first.

IHOPKC leadership has used claims from four of the six “alleged victims” that they didn’t give the whistleblowers “permission…” 🧵…to use their names in making allegations against Bickle (the women also claim that they are not victims).

I want to establish right off the bat that I am not evaluating if and whether what these women have said is true…

#ihopkc

I am so tired of people with privilege telling marginalized folks how they should feel about their oppression.

I’m also tired of people from marginalized groups being the first ones to jump up and say “I don’t feel oppressed/etc. by the stuff others marginalized folks do.” Some of y’all really be on some pick me nonsense.

Being callous to other people’s suffering really isn’t the flex that you think it is.

If something don’t bother you, fine. But can you at least shut up and let the people who are hurt talk? Why do you gotta show out?

Personality tests are great for helping us understand ourselves and others, though I think that it’s important to note that their pop psychology bint can make them hard to take seriously, especially if the tests aren’t well crafted.

And then there’s the white supremacy… In ministry circles, the personality tests that I’ve run into the most are Meyers-Briggs, the DISC, and the most popular one right now…the Enneagram. About 20yrs ago, people also talked about the four humors: phlegmatic, sanguine, choleric, and melancholic. I’m not sure…

People: We’ve been hurt by certain doctrines and practices within the church. Maybe we could change the culture so we don’t have to choose between our faith and well-being.

Pastors: Y’all just want to sin…something something…the Bible is still true…blah blah…holiness. People are literally saying “I am struggling with my faith because the culture of the church doesn’t match what I thought was true in scripture. I am literally being harmed by the church’s practices. I am struggling with doctrines that don’t match up w/ my knowledge base. Help.”

Yesterday I celebrated sixteen years of marriage. I want to attempt to offer sixteen pieces of unsolicited relationship advice that’s worked for us… 1. Avoid people for whom marriage or being in a relationship is a personality trait, because they are frequently toxic.

I know this will make some folk mad, but I mean it. If they don’t have a personality besides talking about marriage, they are unhealthy.

As an Episcopalian, I really try not to talk bad about my Anglican siblings in the ACNA because I came into Anglicanism after the split and I did not live through the tense times and really don’t think it’s a good look for me to critique them because of how some might perceive it I am going to make an exception to my general rule right now, because…well.

So while y’all were out here worried about what the Southern Baptists might say and do, the Anglican Church in North America somehow managed to our SBC the SBC.

Alright alright alright. I have tried to limit how and when I speak in any kind of capacity regarding @TheWitnessBCC, a Black Christian non-profit of which I am the Vice President. My platform and opinions are my own and I try to compartmentalize...until I can’t. So here goes... In March, @TheWitnessBCC launched our #LeaveLOUD content focus. Our founder, our President, and I shared our stories of leaving white Christian organizations and churches. We have published articles on our website and distributed other media as part of this content focus.

My spiritual practices are what have kept me grounded during this difficult time. Is there interest in a thread where I share some of my spiritual practices?

FYI: These are Christian practices, but there might be some things that anyone can find useful. Ok so there is definitely interest. I’m pretty sure y’all will get tired of it but here we go.

I again want to state that these practices and some of my recs that go with them are overtly Christian but some can be adapted.

As a lot of y’all know, I grew up in a small rural town in the Midwest.

I was at my 15th year high school reunion a couple years ago, which was on the patio of one of the local taverns. Suddenly a country song started to play and EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE, started losing their minds. Now there had been OTHER country songs playing. But people lost their minds after the first note on this one.

It’s funny how, when Black people leave toxic church spaces we are the ones called “divisive.” We always have to bear the weight of judgment and have to explain ourselves.

When you see Black people leaving a predominantly white church space en masse, you should be asking... Why are so many people walking away? Why are their stories all similar or exactly the same? Why is this not being addressed by leadership? Why does it feel like it’s being swept under the rug? Why is Black folks’ departure deemed as their issue or fault?

So the Chipmunks movie where they’re in a ballon race with the Chippettes and there’s a baby penguin they’re taking to it’s mother. There is a specific scene that gets me. I literally only ever saw the movie once then a couple years ago the clip circulated and it destroyed me.

https://twitter.com/thatericalper/status/1350194807252127744

Also, the Brave little toaster was a lot for me TBH.

As someone who has embraced a more progressive and “liberal” part of the Christian tradition, I can fully attest that this is true. I’m sure that some of my friends who knew me at a different part of life feel that o have changed. But no.

https://twitter.com/stewartdantec/status/1350095509537632259

I went to seminary at an institution that I would not consider at all progressive, though I had many professors who were. But I learned how to read and understand scripture in a much different and healthier way in seminary.

Ok, dream interpretation folks. I have had a couple of dreams that I’m pretty sure are Holy Ghost dreams, but I have not trusted myself to interpret them. So I’m going to throw it out there.

And I’m tagging @TheAmberPicota and @isierranichole since y’all be knowing So first of all, I had a dream where I was at a church that I used to attend (one I left re: racism and misogynoir) and I was called on to be part of a panel. I was in the church but it was like I was zooming myself onto the panel. I didn’t know why I was there but I was.

So I’m going to share some of by banned/censored cartoon stuff with y’all. This thread will contain clips and stuff so be warned. I don’t know why I’m going this but somehow my brain is here so that’s where we’re going tonight until I get too creeped or tired to keep on. So you might be asking, “Why is she into this? That’s a weird hobby.” IT IS.

I have Whoopi Goldberg to thank. There was a contest and of Hollywood Squares who said this was his hobby and she told him to look up Coal Black and the Sebben Dwarfs.

Let me try this again. So I’m watching the Looney Tunes Golden collection tonight on shuffle and this cartoon came up. It’s called “Old Glory.” This cartoon came out in 1939, two months ti the day before Germany invaded Poland and WWII began. Of course there had been all kinds of cussery going on in Germany before that, but it’s notable that this cartoon came out when it did.

I’ve been sitting here freezing for probs the last hour. I finally turned on both the heater and the “fireplace,” my fancy space heater that is where my fireplace goes...it looks like a fireplace.

I love Chicago but the cold is gonna take me out. And before y’all come in here. I KNOW it gets colder.

I need y’all to also understand that 41° in Chicago ain’t the same 41° that I had in Virginia.

I would literally be wearing flip flops today if I were still there. I miss it so much.

So all the people who are all “how can Kamala Harris be an African American when her dad is Jamaican and her mom is from India...” make me irrationally angry. This is such an ignorant comment and I’m tired of hearing it. People are trying to make it sound like she’s a fraud and policing her identity and I’m done with it.

I don’t usually get in the weeds with stuff like this, but I’m feeling froggy so let me go ahead and leap.