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@TrentTelenko
Apr 19 • 10 tweets • 5 min read • Read on X
The longer range 5V28 missile of the S-200/SA-5 Gammon have a reported range of 345 km against a Mach 3(+) SR-71 class target.

A Kh-22 missile carried by the Tu-22M bomber, NATO code named"Backfire" has only a 290 km stand off range.

S-200/SA-5🧵
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This would be the 2nd reported downing of a Tu-22M by an S-200. The earlier Tu-22M being in December 2023.

It looks like these Tu-22M are still using Soviet era EW suites which were not geared against the S-200 C-Band, 100 KW, 5N62 Square Pair FMCW tracker/illuminator.
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For technical background on the S-200/SA-5, see this old post of mine.

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And this one, both of which are referencing Air Power Australia technical articles on the S-200 Vega/SA-5 Gammon.

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While the HUR/GUR (I've seen the initials both ways) is talking about upgrading the S-200.

Realistically, its specialists would be tapping encrypted VKS comms & data links, but the radar would be the PSU (Ukraine's Air Force) turf.

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 newsukraine.rbc.ua/news/budanov-e…
I've been told by one of the Cold War Gray beards I know that the consoles in the post below are not the classic Soviet K9, K2, or K3 command set ups.

The two 12-14 inch LCD screens are not Soviet era
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...Brigade/Regiment/Battery Command Post kit.

See the Soviet era air defense command consoles and CRT screen infographics and photo from the Air Power Australia link.

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 mail.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-ADCP-C…


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What we were seeing in that @front_ukrainian post was likely the digitized Polish S-200VE Vega/SA-5B.

That S-200VE is Link 16 capable, AKA it can be fully integrated into AFU's Integrated Air and Missile Defense (IAMD) Battle Command System (IBCS) Engagement Operations Center (EOC)



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Likely theGUR/HUR upgrades were porting ELINT/SIGINT tracks into the IBCS & then via Link 16 to the S-200VE's 5N62 Square Pair. That way the 5N62 would be dead on the Tu-22M.

So it would only illuminate the in the final closing engagement & not for the full 5-minute fly out of a 5V28 missile.
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Article up thread says the digitized electronics upgraded Polish C-Band, 100 KW, 5N62 Square Pair frequency modulated continuous wave (FMCW) tracker/illuminator largely uses legacy waveforms.

However, there likely are some minor Polish enhancements for electronic jamming hardening.

East European NATO and Ukraine are doing work against Russian strategic bombers.

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Apr 18
Between ~1996 and 2005, most FMTV trucks accepted by DCMA for the US Army had my signature on the truck property forms along with my DSN phone number.

I got three or four calls in Sealy Texas from NCO's in Iraq trying to score ballistic composite glass armor because they stopped these EFP attacks⬇️

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DCMA Sealy was getting photos from contractor relatives of bombed FMTV's with sheet metal armor and receiving IED damaged trucks to get rebuilt.

You could tell the blast damage from how the windows were missing and the roofs were bowed at the top.

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When you pulled out the stowage boxes in the cabs there were usually spent 5.56mm or 7.62mm brass casings...

...and occasionally a lot of dried blood.

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Apr 18
Iran's campaign to suppress Israel's ballistic missile defenses is underway.

Air Defense is a combined arms form of warfare. Western militaries have forgotten this since 1989, see⬇️

Every Patriot or Iron Dome radar needs its own dedicated gun based point defense in the age of drones and indirect fire ATGMs.

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Locating Patriot/Iron Dome/S-400 class radars is easy peasy lemon squeezy.

You can use commercial synthetic aperture radar satellites and on-line radar interference tracking tools.

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Or SAM hunters can use a weather balloons with a set of commercial off the shelf ELINT and thermal imaging sensors - connected via a smartphone - hanging underneath to listen for radars and look for SAM missile launches 24/7.

The world has changed.

(I wonder if the Houthi are doing this balloon surveillance trick to the Western merchantmen?🤔)

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Apr 17
The thing that has deeply bothered me about this RuAF Tsar-shed tank with jammer and the earlier "Pallet Jammer" tank is the complete lack in any public analysis of the mention of Electromagnetic compatibility (EMC).

You can't throw radio-electronic systems together and expect them to work properly.

EMC🧵
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I have spend too many hours on too many days outside an Anechoic RF chamber with EMC test procedures and fiddly oscilloscopes to miss the fact that the drone jamming systems the Russians have deployed on tanks in Ukraine are missing such testing.

Corrugated steel doesn't an effective R/F ground plane make.🙄

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Ukrainian reports claim four FPV drones were stopped by the "Pallet Jammer" tank while the fifth managed to immobilize the tank for later capture and analysis.

There were some claims that this 5th drone was immune from jamming

Color me skeptical.

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 mil.in.ua/en/news/ukrain…
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Apr 16
While the primary historical mission of the Section 22 special interest group in mapping military history archives is over.

The secondary mission to 'spread the historical wealth' on Japanese radar capabilities in WW2 marks a major achievement.

Daniel Schaefer just successfully defended his doctoral thesis.⬇️

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The thesis of newly minted History PhD Daniel Schaefer goes into detail showing how many US Navy carrier planes were lost over Tanapag Harbor at Saipan - due to a Mark 4 Model 3 gun fire-control radar overlooking it -

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...will certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons in terms of the demolishing the "Standard WW2 Japanese Radar Narrative."

Just one Japanese gunfire control radar cost the USN 12 carrier planes confirmed destroyed over Tanapag Harbor between 11 June & 9 July 1944.

Japanese radar was effective in combat and far more so than the US Joint Chiefs of Staff wanted to admit for post-war budget reasons.

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Apr 14
Iran had hard limits in the number of competent launch crews.

The shut down and reopening of Iranian air space was likely Iran discovering how badly their planning was dancing with Miss Rosey Scenario as far as time on target drone & missile launches were concerned.

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The additional 24 to 36 hours was the competent IRGC crews checking the work of the noobs and proxies for this strike in progress.

Senator Rubio was briefed on all the additional drone launch sites that radio traffic associated with the competent crews revealed.

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The intelligence on this seems to have gone down something like R V Jones book 'Secret Wars" where he described chasing down V-1 testing sites by locating the two best Nazi radar tracking units with SIGINT and ELINT in 1943.

WW2 military history is always relevant.

3/3
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Apr 7
English Translation:

"Today, the RussiaNoContext channel published a video from the phone of the Russian military, who filmed the first consequences after the explosion of the Kakhovskaya HPP and rejoiced at this act of ecocide against Ukraine.

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We will remind that the terrorist attack on the Kakhovskaya HPP was carried out by the Russian occupying forces, the military of the Russian Federation from the 205th Infantry Brigade, around 2:50 a.m. on June 6, 2023.

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As a result of this war crime, a large-scale ecological disaster occurred."

Short form:

No Ukrainian missile was involved in the destruction of the Kakhovskaya HPP.

Russia did it.

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