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Jun 22, 2024 17 tweets 6 min read Read on X
The EV sector industrial subsidy figures released last week by @CSIS are inflated by at least ~$80B, mainly from poor assumptions made to calculate the NEV Sales Tax Exemption that (i) don't pass the sanity check and (ii) are out-of-whack with disclosed actuals amounts.

🧵 https://www.csis.org/blogs/trustee-china-hand/chinese-ev-dilemma-subsidized-yet-striking
As disclosed in the CSIS analysis, the Sales Tax Exemption assumption is based on a very simple premise:

To incent purchases of NEVs (new energy vehicles i.e. BEVs+PHEVs) over ICE vehicles, most NEVs are exempt from the sales tax exemption, which is assumed to be 10%. Image
$39.5B of Sales Tax Exemption in '23 thus implies that there were at least $395B worth of NEVs sold in China based on CSIS assumptions.

Since we know how many NEVs were sold (~7.9M passenger and ~0.3M commercial), we can back out the implied average selling price (ASP).Image
CSIS discloses ASP assumption of ¥1.2M for large commercial vehicles. This would imply ~$54B in commercial vehicle NEV sales in '23, leaving $341B for light passenger vehicles.

Based on ~7.9M passenger NEVs sold in '23, this implies an ASP of $43k (¥310k). Image
This does not pass the sanity check, nor is it consistent with CSIS' own assumptions (passenger NEV ASP is ¥250k).

e.g. the best-selling models in China are compact and mid-size NEVs with ASPs in the ¥120-250k range.
In any case, we can also cross-check this assumption with actual disclosed figures.

The Ministry of Finance disclosed last year cumulative NEV Sales Tax Exemptions through 2022 of ~¥200 billion (~$29B) + another ~¥115 billion (~$16B) in 2023.

This suggests the CSIS estimate for Salex Tax Exemptions is overstated by 2.5-2.6xhttps://www.gov.cn/zhengce/202306/content_6888094.htm
Factoring in more accurate assumptions that are more in line with these actuals, I have done my own analysis on Chinese EV sector assumptions and arrived at ~$147B, ~$83B lower than the CSIS estimate. Note: the difference in Sales Tax Assumption estimate accounts for ~$64B of the difference. The remaining difference comes from the Buyer's Rebate which is also overestimated, although much more in the ballpark. I have copied assumptions for infrastructure subsidies, R&D and government procurement.
Based on this, more interesting is what happens going forward IMO.

Per below, the NEV Sales Tax Exemption has been extended for 4 more years, but like the Buyer's Rebate before gradually eases out.

For example, the maximum exemption halves in 2026 to ¥15k per NEV.
https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/202306/content_6888094.htm
https://www.adamasintel.com/china-ev-buyers-get-four-more-years-tax-breaks-as-us-incentives-fall-flat/
I've taken the EV sector subsidies analysis out through 2030 assuming the Sales Tax Exemption is retired after this current program ends.

As you can see avg. subsidies per vehicle continue to fall gradually, from $2,700 in '23 to <$200 by '30. Image
If we take the model even further out to 2040, China will have spent ~$330B in total subsidies on the EV sector.

Paired against ~704M cumulative NEV sales through 2040, this would average out cumulatively to a subsidy of ~$468 per vehicle.
I think the lesson here is pretty clear and does not need overstated subsidy estimates to make the point.

The key to any successful industrial policy subsidy program is providing support to a domestic industry to achieve scale and profitability so subsidies can be gradually withdrawn over time.

The last point is key. If industrial policy and subsidies cannot achieve industry scale and self-sustaining profitability, you end up with a non-competitive sector that continues to suck up fiscal resources indefinitely.
The development of the Chinese EV sector has followed this principle.

Subsidies per car have fallen from >$20k per vehicle to ~$2k per vehicle over the last decade and will be effectively completed by 2027. Image
The question for Western policymakers is not about the need to develop and retain an EV industry using industrial policy and subsidies, like China has done. That should be pretty clear, the answer is yes.

It is about execution of said industrial policy. Specifically, are we seeing aggregate subsidies per NEV go down over time at a satisfactory pace?
Remember there are other new industries beyond EVs.

That China is a few years away from withdrawing subsidies from EVs just means that those fiscal resources will soon be available to support development of other future industries.

If one is stuck subsidizing old industries indefinitely this just means less fiscal resources available to spur development of new ones.
This is not the first time I’ve seen highly questionable assumptions in CSIS analysis on China.

Its analysis of COMAC development costs was even more egregious and off by 6-14x.

These numbers influence policy and decision-making. Isn’t it important that we get them right?
Bad analysis does enormous disservice to our policymaking.

13 years ago, Chinese NEV industry subsidies were scoffed at as “wasted investment”.

Instead of breeding complacency, maybe we should have taken them seriously. Catching up will be that much harder as a result.
Another interesting datapoint from this analysis:

~2/3rds of NEV sector subsidies were focused aimed at stimulating the consumer demand side with <1/3rd focused on production.

Nascent industries require coordinated stimulation of both supply and demand.

This also contradicts prevailing narratives about how China "focuses disproportionately on the supply-side at the expense of households/consumers".Image

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Jul 5
I had written a deep dive on known issues in the measurement of China’s GDP and how misleading it was to frame the discussion around the GDP accounting identity, especially if the way those numbers are calculated differed wildly from country to country.

In light of the recent discussion of China’s under-counted consumption 👇, it was worth re-upping these pieces.
Part I provided relevant background on the technicalities of GDP measurement and the historical development of Pettis’ “Over-investment Thesis” and the critical role of the GDP accounting identity on determining “imbalances” in China’s economy.

readwriteinvest.com/p/tyranny-of-t…
In Part II, I examined several areas where China’s consumption was being under-counted relative to other countries, such as imputed rent.

Adjusting for these would bring China’s consumption figures to ~50%, which is not far off global averages.

readwriteinvest.com/p/tyranny-of-t…
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Jul 3
Essentially, the key takeaway of this study is something many have already long known/suspected:

China’s per capita consumption of real goods and services is very much in line with countries at a similar level of per capita GDP + the reason why it is low as a % of GDP is because it is measured more conservatively.

(This is also suggests that China’s overall GDP is also under-counted, in direct contradiction to what many believe)
Even though Chinese households are verifiably consuming everything from food to cars to education services in real per capita terms at or higher to comparable economies like Mexico + sometimes close to or even exceeding fully developed economies like Japan, cultists will insist that consumption is lagging on the basis of flimsy accounting identities.
These are some key comparison charts that show the consumption measurement distortion.

You can see how despite official measured per capita GDP in nominal terms at roughly half, real per capita consumption of most categories in China exceeds Mexico. Image
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Jun 21
Others have now raised this topic a few times, so allow me to share some thoughts on the BYD (and broader) supply chain financing story:

1⃣ BYD's high payables number actually reflects the strength of its underlying business model and market dominance for two key reasons (ability to extract favorable supplier terms; how that number is driven in part by rapid expansion in production capacity)

2⃣ Establishing industry norms that forces larger players like BYD to adhere to standard payment terms (voluntarily or involuntarily) is a positive step forward for the whole industry, leading to more efficient overall financing approach.

3⃣ BYD and other market leaders that also run large negative working capital balances are generally not a risk of insolvency by adhering to new industry norms as they are generally under-leveraged (with traditional debt financing) and will simply plug the financing hole with more traditional debt and equity financing. In BYD's case, I expect all or most of it to be to replaced with debt (long-term bonds).https://www.ft.com/content/e6ae000d-d506-4a21-898e-213002234ee2
1⃣ BYD's high payables figure reflects strength of its underlying business model and is in part a reflection of its rapid growth in production capacity

While the high payables figure has been portrayed as a potential weakness (with some even raising the idea that BYD is insolvent), actually it reflects the opposite.
BYD uses its scale to extract favorable terms from its suppliers. It trades volume for pricing as well as non-pricing advantages, like extended payment terms. It does this because that's what extremely competitive companies do: they try to exploit every advantage they have over the competition.

As BYD has only gotten bigger and more powerful, it has maintained its ability to sustain structural negative working capital state on its balance sheet.

Companies that can maintain negative working capital are often extremely competitive. This is a very desirable business model to run for rapidly growing companies because as revenue grows, working capital becomes a source of funding.

Amazon's marketplace business was an example of this. Amazon collects payment upfront and then pays out sellers later. This leads to a negative working capital balance, which is effectively a very low-cost form of growth financing for its marketplace business.

Ability to maintain negative working capital is even more rare in a capital-intensive businesses like the car sector. That reflects just how dominant BYD has become.

This doesn't mean it's a good thing for the industry overall (and I'll touch on this in the next point), but it does reflect on the increasing dominance of BYD individually.
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Jun 19
People have a tendency to compress complex, multi-decade stories into simple narratives that follow cause-and-effect storylines, often ones that tie into pre-existing narratives. This creates the risk of dangerous over-simplification.

In this case, the prevailing narrative goes something like this:
▪️ "China failed to build a competitive auto industry for decades."
▪️ "Then Tesla entered the market and became the magic fix that enabled China to develop a globally competitive car industry."
▪️ "Therefore, we should apply the same magic fix to our own industry."

In my view, this is a dangerous over-simplification. Reducing the story to a simple cause-and-effect narrative often leads to blissfully naive solution sets that fail to address the core issue: how do we re-industrialize America?

Believing that simply inviting Chinese car companies into the U.S. will serve as a "magic fix" — just as Tesla supposedly was for China — misses the mark, for two key reasons:

1. The "magic fix" narrative is a gross oversimplification of five decades of development in China's auto and broader industrial/manufacturing sectors.

2. The fundamental challenges China faced over those decades are very different from the ones the U.S. faces today.

None of this is to say that inviting Chinese automakers to invest FDI in the U.S. cannot be part of a LT solution**. But it must be done thoughtfully — and only in tandem with addressing core domestic issues — if the goal is truly to re-industrialize this country in a meaningful way.

** Of course, all of this assumes they even find the risk/reward decision to commit long-term capital to the U.S. in today’s geopolitical climate remotely attractive compared to FDI opportunities elsewhere.
1⃣ First, let me go through several points that were brought up in the excerpted sections of the interview as well as the post to show how reality was much more complex than presented**

** I full interview is not out and I haven't seen it, so perhaps there will be more nuance there; this is mainly a reaction to how the narrative on the rise of China's auto industry has been grossly oversimplified and in certain cases, simply wrong.
"The impact was brutal. When Tesla's Model 3 launched in 2020, it quickly became China's best-selling EV. BYD's total vehicle sales actually fell 7.7% that year to just 427,000 units."

This excerpt suggests that Tesla's market entry in China was the direct cause-and-effect reason why BYD's sales declined in 2020.

This is wrong. It may have played a minor role, but there were many other reasons why BYD's vehicle sales declined.
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May 31
This popped up on my timeline and was just a reminder of some of the sillier narrative framing of Chinese EVs just a year and a half ago.
Since this post in January 2024, Chinese NEV production has increased from a ~10-11 million run rate to ~>16 million as of mid-2025 and virtually ALL of the increase has been absorbed by the Chinese market …
… as EV exports have been more or less flat.

This means Chinese households are buying EVs as fast as they can be produced in the factories.
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May 31
Chinese chip designers finding workarounds for EDA software is roughly the same degree of difficulty / switching cost as moving away from CUDA/nVidia.

This is an effort measured in months, not years.

eetimes.com/u-s-restricts-…
By comparison the advanced lithography ban was an OoM more complex/difficult and the switching cost process measured in years, not months.

That was the largest source of leverage in the American tech/economic dominance toolkit and it was played early.
The other comp here is developing a homegrown OS and attracting a developer base.

Replicating EDA software and supporting libraries is the same order-of-magnitude task.

The development takes years, but this effort was also started years ago, with real efforts kicked off after the Meng arrest in 2018.
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