@RantyHighwayman Would be useful to know if @livingstreets & @LivingStreetsEd support this position by @EdinburghBUG "Current Floating Bus Stop designs do not meet the needs of bus users and should not continue to be rolled out" & what evidence they base that on, what alternatives they propose...
@RantyHighwayman @livingstreets @LivingStreetsEd @EdinburghBUG Because this really reads like 'we don't really want anyone else cycling or care about cycling safety so we will take a few upset people shouting about change over all available evidence as most important'. At risk of repetition, floating stops do not appear to reduce bus use...
@RantyHighwayman @livingstreets @LivingStreetsEd @EdinburghBUG By VI people, nor do these stops appear to represent a significant safety issue, particularly not one compared to massive existing issues with most roads, junctions etc. for VI people. In other words, if mobility & safety are your issue this isn't the priority you're making it...
@RantyHighwayman @livingstreets @LivingStreetsEd @EdinburghBUG On that basis, rather than finding common ground your orgs are effectively fighting change & reinforcing motor traffic dominance over people, sustainable & active travel in reality. That's imo some utterly shameful punching down. This 'debate' is so tired & needs resolving...
@RantyHighwayman @livingstreets @LivingStreetsEd @EdinburghBUG Indeed, @livingstreets already produced an epic tome on floating bus stops that is largely excellent & really deals well with the nuance of design issues while also acknowledging the need to roll them out. Why is that being ignored here? Come on folks, be better.
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@Penny_Gowland @georgebernhard @RantyHighwayman The big issue here is what "real" constitutes and indeed how to balance multiple "concerns" across multiple modes. So, let's work it through. 1. Buses do mix with people cycling at stops in many locations - where there aren't cycle tracks, for instance. But who cycles there?...
@Penny_Gowland @georgebernhard @RantyHighwayman Basically, fast, fit men. That's about it. So you cannot build a cycle network for a far wider range of people if your answer to bus stops is 'mix it with buses'. You've eliminated kids, most women, elderly people etc from cycling right there. And no, bus drivers aren't all...
@Penny_Gowland @georgebernhard @RantyHighwayman "Sensible". They "should be". But they aren't. So there's that also. You're failing on 'Vision Zero' grounds because you're baking in dangerous interactions. 2. This however is the default position of many VI orgs: 'get in the road, it's fine'. That does not strike me as OK...
@HanoverHills@rowkz@bright30243439@jonburkeUK@CarolineLucas@bhlabour@BHGreens@BHGreenCllrs OK, Tim, a few challenges to your response (tx for it, though). 1. I'll start w some basics on LTNs as you do seem to be struggling. LTNs are 'area-wide'. So some roads, which may make up majority of residents, may not initially see scheme as "necessary". Question to ask is...
@HanoverHills@rowkz@bright30243439@jonburkeUK@CarolineLucas@bhlabour@BHGreens@BHGreenCllrs Not 'do most folks I accost on doorstep while out campaigning want to have a pop at scheme being unnecessary'. It is 'are there roads inside area where ratrunning is a serious problem? This should come in form of data (85th centile speeds, vols) & surveys of roads. Likely...
@HanoverHills@rowkz@bright30243439@jonburkeUK@CarolineLucas@bhlabour@BHGreens@BHGreenCllrs Some roads in scheme are ratruns. They need sorting & residents on them will say that. That won't necessarily be felt by all tho. However... 2. If you fix ratruns without fixing area, what happens? Ratruns just shift one street over. That's why "LTN" - it needs an area-based...
The bestest, brightest tweeters & campaigners1 on active travel are women, incl @Jo_Earlsfield & @carlafrancome. That Jo has been targeted by a nasty misogynist gang of bitter men, raging that they've lost the argument in every way, is sadly unsurprising. #BigUpJoRigby
My thoughts FWIW. 1. Don't engage w these idiots directly. Don't reply. Screenshot & use to make points if you must. Report. But don't engage. Don't feed trolls folks. 2. Good news: they've lost. That they do stuff like this shows that. 3. Bad news: that makes those left worse...
4. Again, it needs saying, that while there are idiots on both 'sides' of this debate, if you think LTNs, bus gates, cycleways are evil, you are standing on the same side as folks who doxx, follow people home, routinely target women, make violent threats, cause criminal damage...
Yeah, this underlines a serious point. The progress @MayorofLondon@willnorman & others achieved during crisis has been remarkable & is hugely appreciated. But it isn't just TfL finances at issue here or at Holborn. There is something running deeper than that... (long thread)
Most of these projects were theoretically shovel ready well before the crisis hit & TfL finances collapsed. All could & should have been.
- At Holborn gyratory, temporary materials and quick measures if they'd been put in after 2018 could have saved a life, of a kids' doctor...
Instead they are being rushed in now after. It's always after. It's always one arm of the junction, one turning movement fixed. Not all the major risks.
- Lea Bridge - Dalston was first broken in two. Western half just needed a lot of LTN filters in Hackney, famous for filters...
Campaigners who moan (me included) listen up.
- It can be easy, I know, to slip into attacking others, being outraged at tabloids & shock jock rants about cycling & active travel. But that is what they want. If you have not figured it out, tagging in or replying to them?... 1/12
That's what they want. Diminutive Samurais and Talk Radio hosts don't care if you are angry at them, nor do One groups. The more you reply, the more eyeballs their arguments get. And the more you attack them, the less important data or evidence gets. Because they are... 2/12
Successfully creating a 'culture war' of them v outgroup cyclists. You're not winning taking them on, you're losing for all of us. Because most folks don't cycle, do drive & because the more toxic, angry & 'controversial' a debate looks, the more most folks just avoid it... 3/12