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Sep 7, 2024 22 tweets 11 min read Read on X
What a ridiculous, glib view of style. Let's discuss. 🧵
It's true that fashion once served as a form of class differentiation, and as soon as hoi polloi caught on, the elite moved on. German sociologist wrote about this in this 1902 essay On Fashion. An excerpt: Image
This largely explains why the Duke of Windsor was the most influential male fashion figure of his day. He popularized belts, zippered flies, cuffed trousers, and a style of tailoring known as the drape cut. For a while, when he wore something, others followed. Image
But as the century marched forward, fashion influence switched from just those with financial capital to those with cultural capital. This switch is most neatly represented during the immediate post-war years, when the culture wars was reflected in clothes.
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American men returning home from the trenches of Europe were able to receive a free college education through the GI Bill. Consequently, many adopted bourgeoisie mores and ended up becoming some version of The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit.
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Those not afforded such opportunities formed a kind of American underclass, and they created their own fashions. My friend Bruce Boyer writes about this in his book Rebel Style. This was the rise of workwear, zoot suits, and "proletarian fashion."
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Although there has always been countercultural fashion, we see an explosion of these styles across the US and Western Europe after the war: swing kids and hep cats; bikers, rockers and outlaws; beats and beatniks; modernists and mods; drag and dandies; hippies and bohemians. Image
As the post-war period marched forward, the appeal of the suit started to wane. Remember, the suit represented the bourgeoisie (e.g., Man in the Gray Flannel Suit) and the underclass presented an alternative (e.g., Marlon Brando in The Wild One).
Given the anti-war protests, various freedom movements (e.g., Civil Rights movement, feminist movement, and Stonewall), and the Watergate scandal, the suit just increasingly felt less appealing. Image
Tailoring saw a brief resurgence in the 1980s as a backlash to 1970s hippies (e.g., the "greed is good" ethos represented in the film Wall Street). But it met its final blow in the 1990s with the rise of business casual, the tech boom, and newly minted Sand Hill Road billionaires Image
In fact, people like Zuckerberg made jeans and hoodies the new status symbol. This uniform represented meritocracy in the New Economy, which stood opposed to the coat-and-tie aesthetic of traditional industries back east. Turns out, you can still be a bad person in a hoodie
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Meanwhile, as Americans were leaving these aesthetics, Japanese people were picking them up and turning them into rules. There are a ton of publications in Japan that dissect all of these looks—what are the right materials, cuts, styles, etc for a look. Image
Such codifications weren't just for tailoring, but also workwear, hiking style, rockabilly, etc. Lots of cool magazine layouts of "gear," like these photos below. If you want to read about how Japan saved classic American style, pick up David Marx's book Ametora.


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The wealthiest people today dress terribly. It's all some form of bland business casual—slim fit chinos, polos, finance vests, and dress sneakers. If it's a suit, the thing fits terribly and the person has probably mucked it up with some contrasting buttonhole.
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Dressing well today is not about money, but about taste. I often post photos of rich men as bad examples. And the good examples?

1. @DavidLaneDesign (art teacher)
2. @urban_comp (electrician)
3. IG thefoxtooth (realtor)
4. IG therapeuticwhale and @Barima_ON (writers)Image
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Are we supposed to pretend this suit is good tailoring? The trousers are too low, the side seams are straining, the upper sleeve is too tight, and the pattern doesn't match across the pockets. McGregor's "tailor" charges ~$5k for this. You can get the same for $30 at Shein.

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Furthermore, it's ridiculous to suggest I only promote expensive looks when I've spent the last 13 years rounding up quality menswear items on eBay. This takes me ~10 hrs a week. I'd wager that I've dedicated more time to this than most ppl. I've also made suggestions on Twitter:


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Here's a whole thread on affordable stuff you can find on eBay and elsewhere. I have a ton of posts like this on my site (Die, Workwear) and Put This On (where I do most of my service writing)

I've shown examples here of how a cheap suit can look better than an expensive one if you simply develop an eye. Here's a suit costs a whopping $25. IMO, this looks better than McGregor's $5,000 suit.

IG edgyalbert
You also don't have to wear tailoring! While my Twitter acct is now mostly about tailoring bc of the audience size, half my blog is about workwear & casualwear. Just yesterday, I showed these completely thrifted looks from Derrick (IG derrick_b_smith). Image
If I can be accused of anything, it's weaponizing arcane info about menswear that doesn't matter in real life. My views are purely that of a hobbyist and have nothing to do with how rich ppl dress today. Prince William often looks like your average business casual guy now. Image
I mainly take umbrage with with @c_kletzer's critique because I've spent ~15 years trying to make this hobby more accessible to a wide range of people. I spend a lot of time rounding up eBay items, writing articles, and making my info free. Hardly gatekeeping with wealth.

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Aug 13
Have you ever noticed that people dressed better in the past? Even in the summer, when it was scorching hot?

Why is this? 🧵 Image
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I want to first dispel some myths.

Contrary to popular belief, people didn't look better because they were slimmer. We see many corpulent men in the past who dressed better than the average man today. It's not true you can look good in anything if you have an athletic body. Image
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Dressing well was also not limited to the rich and famous. A reader sent me pics of his grandpa, born in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) to a working-class Chinese family. He immigrated to London and then Canada, where he worked in an auto parts store and by installing light fixtures. Image
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Aug 5
I disagree. I will tell you what's wrong with his jeans. 🧵
Let's start with an experiment. Here are two men wearing tailored jackets with jeans.

Which do you think looks better? Image
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If you choose the outfit on the right, then we have the same taste. But why does he look better?

The answer stems fro a basic rule of classic tailoring: the jacket needs to have a certain relationship with the trousers so as to form a harmonious whole. Image
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Aug 3
On April 30th, Josh Smith of Montana Knife Company said you won't have to worry about tariffs if you buy American.

Last week, he realized his costs are going up bc he imports equipment and steel. And so do his suppliers.

IMO many people aren't aware of how much they import.
Genuinely not posting this to gloat, but hoping that people reevaluate how much of their life is connected to an international supply chain. Many small businesses, including artisans, will see their businesses shutter because of these tariffs, regardless of how they voted
Extremely long, but if you want to hear it, Josh breaks down the challenges he's facing. I hear similar stories in menswear (e.g., 3sixteen needing to import the best denim, which comes from Japan). All this now faces tariffs.

Glad I bought a Sebenza in MagnaCut before all this.
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Aug 2
I've had enough.

In this thread, I will tell you, definitively, whether Sydney Sweeney has great jeans.

This way, you will be more informed when shopping for your wardrobe . 🧵 Image
I should state two things at the outset.

First, I never comment on womenswear because I don't know anything about it. This thread isn't actually about Sweeney's jeans (sorry, I lied). But in the last few days, I've seen grown men buying American Eagle jeans and I can't abide. Image
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Second, while clothing quality matters, it's more important to develop a sense of taste. Buying clothes isn't like shopping for electronics — you don't "max out" specs. It's more like buying coffee — you sample around and identify what notes you like. Develop taste. Image
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Jul 31
Sometimes I think about the closure of G. Lorenzi, a Milanese gentleman's shop that had been around for almost 100 years until their closure in 2014. The shop was special because it carried so many one-of-a-kind items from artisans — total handmade craft production, not factory. Image
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At the time of their closure, they still carried over 20,000 items of 3,000 models, including speciality knives, picnic sets, and nutcrackers. They had over 100 styles of nail clippers and 300 different hairbrushes alone. Proprietor Aldo Lorenzi scoured the world for artisans. Image
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There's nothing wrong with factory production. But as more of our lives get taken over by machines — including art and writing — this sort of production feels special.

Trailer for "A Knife Life," a documentary about the store by my friend Gianluca Migliarotti, available on Vimeo
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Jul 30
I spent 15 yrs on a menswear forum. The longest argument I had was over a tiny detail that can be seen in this photo. For 6 months, I argued with the same five guys non-stop every day. The argument got so heated the forum owner banned one guy for life.

Here is the detail. 🧵
As I've mentioned before, there's a lot of coded language in menswear. Navy suits can be worn with black oxfords because this was the uniform of London businessmen. Brown tweeds go with brogues because these clothes were worn in the country. In this way, we get formal vs. casual. Image
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The same is true for shoes. Tiny details come together to communicate something, much like how words form a sentence. Black is more formal than brown; calfskin more formal than suede or pebble grain; plain design is more formal than broguing. All of this stems from history. Image
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