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I had a tweet a while ago, which I can’t seem to find now, about how one of the things that draws me to conservative circles is that you can mostly just say what you mean and expect that you’ll get a fairly charitable response in return, whereas in progressive circles the norm is to do a lot of throat clearing and, “to be clear,” and 20 or 30 rounds of, “of course we’re just talking about averages and there are exceptions” that won’t ever be enough, because there’s always somebody who says, “you say that’s the average, but how can you explain that I just thought of an exception?” no matter how careful you are.

I wouldn’t be surprised to learn there’s a gender dimension to this. The thing about young men is that when they are together in a group they like to be crass, they like to generalize, they like to throw out absurd hypotheticals they can’t defend, they like to have arguments just for the sake of it.

It’s basically the exact opposite of every progressive norm.
It couldn’t be clearer that progressives no longer even believe that these are mere preferences, that you could of course have an environment like the one I describe and that would be fine, it’s just that it’s not for them. No, they really quite clearly believe that their mode of discourse is correct and the other mode of discourse is immoral. They don’t think you’re allowed to just talk about anything you want any way you want. This came for the workplace first, but these norms have spread to every organization they influence. They genuinely believe that the mode of discourse I’m describing is deeply wrong, immoral, and illegitimate.
Certainly this is part of what’s going on with the debate about misinformation. And its core, they don’t like the way a guy like Joe Rogan approaches the world. They think there are things you just shouldn’t talk about in certain ways. They start with that proposition and then backfill specific instances of things he’s said that are convenient for making the argument they were already emotionally committed to.

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Oct 12
The country literally devolved into riots and practically every institution, from your local PTA to the largest corporations and government agencies, remade itself in response to the lie that police hunt minorities for sport
I’m sorry, but that happened. That all happened. It just happened. Not a long time ago. It just happened. Yes it’s also true that some people recently said some things that are untrue about FEMA. To what end? What were the consequences? What burned down? What was looted? What institution that you are part of completely remade itself in the image of this lie? How many television ads were premised on this line? How many moments of silence at sporting events asked you to reflect on this lie?
What this obviously demonstrates is that if you get laws that limit speech there will be some lies that you can still tell and some lies that you can’t. You won’t solve misinformation. That’s ridiculous. It’s just that the big, popular lies, the lies the elite either agree with or are too afraid for various reasons to oppose will still be allowed. And other lies won’t be.
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Oct 5
One of my most strongly-held is that beliefs are developed primarily from emotion and that if you felt the same immediate, knee-jerk, emotional responses that your opponents feel on any given issue, then you would believe as they do. You happen to feel different emotional responses, so you’ve developed commensurate beliefs.

Conservatives aren’t particularly good at this, either, but it’s particularly funny that the “veil of ignorance” understanders, who spend 75% of their time on this website talking about how empathetic they are, seem completely unable or unwilling to grant this.
A good exercise to go through is to create a table with three columns labeled, “issue,” ,”my position,” “my emotional response to that issue” and see if you can come up with even one thing for which your emotions do not match up with your preferred policy.
You probably won’t, which is strong evidence that emotions are driving your beliefs, not reason, not data. I think exposure to enough new information, new facts, new data can in the long run change your emotional affect. But the key is getting over that tipping point with the emotional response. That’s when you’ll fully accept the new position. You won’t accept the new position so long as you’re still feeling the old emotional response. You’ve got to get over that hump.
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Oct 5
Libertarians were wrong about this. Prohibition decreased alcohol deaths. This is obvious and straightforward and really shouldn’t be controversial. We legalized marijuana and usage went up. We made opiates more available, more people died. When alcohol was prohibited, fewer people drank it and we had fewer alcohol related deaths.

This is very simple stuff.
Obviously you can still oppose prohibition for other reasons. But this is right. There’s a lot of dishonesty about some very basic aspects of drug and alcohol prohibition.
I don’t know how anybody can still hold onto those old libertarian ideas about drug legalization in the wake of the opioid crisis. Here we’re talking about drugs that are literally prescribed by a doctor, in many cases, drugs that are manufactured and sold by large pharmaceutical companies with stringent quality control processes.

And what happened? Total disaster. An explosion of overdoses. People graduating to harder drugs like heroin. Life expectancy gains literally reversed.
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Oct 4
I remember once being at a bar with a good friend, a good, kind person, and telling her that I had to leave because I was conducting some technical interviews at work the next morning and wanted to be sure I was well rested. She was asking a bit about it, and as I described the process, which by tech standards wasn’t all that rigorous, but which did involve more than one technical round, you could see her face kind of scrunch up. The whole thing clearly sounded elitist and snobby distasteful to her; and after all, “you’re just my buddy who hangs at the bar where we’re all equals, who do you even think you are that you can gatekeep a job in this way?”

The feeling was unmistakable, like that feeling you get when you’re on a date and you know you’re not impressing.

This is the emotion on a broader scale that is underlying a lot of liberal thinking about immigration. When you start talking about vetting, about standards, about earning potential, even about criminality, their faces start to crunch up like, “who do you think you are, anyway? Who are you to judge other human beings? To put a measure on their worth?”

They feel this way about job interviews, about college admissions, about immigration policy. This is why you get into these weird debates where they try to beat you on a technicality with the language of legality. None of that is real, or at least it’s not primary. What’s primary is that feeling they get when you start talking like this. They are extremely emotional about it and the policy follows from the emotion. It’s primary, immediate, reflexive. It’s all in the way their face scrunches up when you mention it.
The idea that they’ve arrived at that position because they understand the contours of the debate better than you, because they know the law, because they have looked at all the data, because they’re just simply moron, gosh darn it, couldn’t be more absurd. Their face scrunches up when you start talking aboutstandards in admissions. It’s involuntary, reflexive. Every single piece of data they’ve ever learned about immigration is marshaled in defense of that initial lowering of the eyes and raising of the corners of their mouth.
I think the most charitable thing you can say about this is that if you felt that feeling, then you would be equally suspicious of anybody who didn’t. It would feel to you internally like an expression of basic kindness and openness to humanity and an absence of it would present as a form of casual sociopathy.

It would take a unique kind of person who was both pretty smart and very good at decoupling their own immediate emotional reactions from policy to feel as they do and not draw that conclusion about the other side. So of course almost none of them are able to avoid it.
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Oct 4
What's going on here is that we used to have two categories that our discourse is anchored to:

1. Illegal (crossed the border illegally)
2. Legal (came through as part of an orderly, planned process)

And now we have a third category: the migrant. They often *come* illegally (or quasi-legally, given that all asylum claims, no matter how spurious, have to be taken seriously) and then are granted temporary legal status once here.

This is breaking the distinction we're accustomed to assuming in our discourse.
I would submit that this isn't all that difficult to understand, but there are obvious incentives to obscure it.
Deliberate or not, we used to have a category called "legal" that was pretty straightforward and that referred to one specific thing: an immigrant who came as part of a planned, orderly, limited process.

Now we have a new category called "legal" that includes both those immigrants and also migrants.

This can of course be ignored to great effect.

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Sep 28
I would encourage the group that’s thinking about forming in response to these most recent attacks to consider carefully what is being suggested here
I don’t know why the fact that Islamic fundamentalists are far too stupid to understand when they’ve lost is supposed to be relevant. I mean, it’s like who are you talking to here? Why is this directed at the west? Why wouldn’t this statement be directed at the successor to Hezbollah as a warning to them that they will be obliterated just like Hezbollah just was?

It tells you everything you need to know that these people think this statement is something the west is supposed to take seriously and not plainly warning to our enemies.
“We keep losing over and over and over again. Every time we lose, we rise back up and lose again. All we do is lose. It’s just death and loss and loss and death and death and death and loss on our part.”

They literally think this is a warning to the west.
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