When it comes to women, part of frame control (aside from clear ideas and a smattering of charm) is also simply having sufficient sexual success. As you bed more women, you become increasingly certain about what women really want
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And who they are underneath the hood.
This is also why prostitution, gold diggers, and crazy chicks are so risky for men, because they give men vastly different experiences
And hence different underlying frames about what women want (frames not so conducive to regular seductions).
You do not get good seductive frame control by arguing with women.
Many free-ranging animals use various displays of color, ornamentation, song, and dance to attract mates. In group-living animals, mating is typically done by rank within the group, so less ostentation is needed.
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If you are not dating from within a social circle, you cannot rely on rank to bring you women, and so you must rely on display to seduce.
Human beings do not rely on ornamentation, song, dance, or fancy homes nearly as much in attracting mates as other animals in the animal kingdom do. Instead, we use conversation, and in particular, flirtation.
The first time this happened to me it was awkward as hell. This was years ago with an old girlfriend.
I remember her just laying there motionless with a blank expression on her face just letting me "get it over with".
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I'd never seen her act that way up until that point so I carried on, thinking it was something she was into or something she would stop doing soon enough.
But she continued doing it and I was too awkward to stop so I ended up finishing almost completely flaccid and limp.
It was weird for us both.
'Why did she start acting like a Starfish?'
I was clueless at the time and didn't figure it out until I had left her a couple years later.
One of the dangers of porn and masturbation is that it can waste our sexual life force, drain us of energy, & make our ambitions soggy & dull instead of hot like burning fire. We need to feel that fire of life –– we can't let that fire go out
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Another danger of porn and masturbation is that hardcore porn can really warp our desire for real girls, healthy girls, "normal" girls. Hardcore porn can warp our healthy sex drive and healthy sense of beauty and turn it into a disgusting, degenerate search for sordid thrills
The problem is, porn and masturbation can become an addiction, a way to escape stress –– and as we become more addicted, we go from seeking fresh & healthy beautiful girls to seeking out violent, hardcore, disgusting porn that is emotionally, sexually & psychologically unhealthy
There’s really one test that almost every single time tells you a woman’s attracted to you. Maybe you’ve heard this before, maybe you haven’t. But the key is MOVEMENT
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Women simply will not move into isolation with a guy that they’re not attracted to. And that applies to daygame, night game, strip clubs, social circle.
Women are not going to actually put themselves at risk going somewhere with you, unless they’re certain that they’re safe and they’re also certain that they’re attracted and they like you.