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Thread for those who don't have the intestinal fortitude to sit through the Elmo / Rogan interview.
Thread for those who don't have the intestinal fortitude to sit through the Elmo / Rogan interview.
🧵2/Ω
Both these guys seem to regard the FBI asking (not forcing) "old Twitter" to take down some tweets as a crime against humanity roughly on the scale of the Stalin's gulags.
Rogan: "We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of narratives that is UNPRECEDENTED."
Both these guys seem to regard the FBI asking (not forcing) "old Twitter" to take down some tweets as a crime against humanity roughly on the scale of the Stalin's gulags.
Rogan: "We were headed down a path of censorship and of control of narratives that is UNPRECEDENTED."
🧵3/Ω
The comparison to Stalin is not my hyperbole. Later in the interview Elmo will compare NY DA Alvin Bragg to Lavrenti Beria, the head of Stalin's secret police and one of history's greatest monsters.
The comparison to Stalin is not my hyperbole. Later in the interview Elmo will compare NY DA Alvin Bragg to Lavrenti Beria, the head of Stalin's secret police and one of history's greatest monsters.
🧵4/Ω
[Insert lots of discussion of hunter biden's laptop which was an incorrect but understandable decision by Twitter (and to a much lesser extent Facebook) to slow the spread of then unconfirmed facts that lasted like 3 days and had no impact on actual reporting on the topic]
[Insert lots of discussion of hunter biden's laptop which was an incorrect but understandable decision by Twitter (and to a much lesser extent Facebook) to slow the spread of then unconfirmed facts that lasted like 3 days and had no impact on actual reporting on the topic]
🧵5/Ω
Things start to get really wild when Rogan begins yelling about how there were agent provocateurs on January 6th encouraging people to do "illegal shit".
Elmo agrees. Both of these guys' brains are pretty clearly headed towards boarding the good ship QAnon.
Things start to get really wild when Rogan begins yelling about how there were agent provocateurs on January 6th encouraging people to do "illegal shit".
Elmo agrees. Both of these guys' brains are pretty clearly headed towards boarding the good ship QAnon.
🧵6/Ω
[Insert discussion of how back in "the day" at the WTO protests around the US the police wouldn't let people protest, wouldn't even let them wear "no WTO" pins, which somehow is *not* an UNPRECEDENTED infringement of rights]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Seat…
[Insert discussion of how back in "the day" at the WTO protests around the US the police wouldn't let people protest, wouldn't even let them wear "no WTO" pins, which somehow is *not* an UNPRECEDENTED infringement of rights]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_Seat…
🧵7/Ω
Discussion moves on to how "they" are trying to destroy X.
Rogan: "There's a concerted effort to suppress twitter."
Elmo: "There's a boycott of advertisers."
Reality: advertisers didn't like it when ads for happy meals & cornflakes showed up next to CAMP AUSCHWITZ memes.
Discussion moves on to how "they" are trying to destroy X.
Rogan: "There's a concerted effort to suppress twitter."
Elmo: "There's a boycott of advertisers."
Reality: advertisers didn't like it when ads for happy meals & cornflakes showed up next to CAMP AUSCHWITZ memes.
🧵8/Ω
Elmo: "The Orwellian Center For Counting Digital Hate" is a censorship organization that pushed advertisers to boycott."
Reality: CFCDH was a voluntary industry consortium created by those same advertisers to set standards.
Elmo: "The Orwellian Center For Counting Digital Hate" is a censorship organization that pushed advertisers to boycott."
Reality: CFCDH was a voluntary industry consortium created by those same advertisers to set standards.
🧵9/Ω
[Insert first reasonable discussion of problematic regulations that forbid SpaceX from hiring asylees while another law insists SpaceX can't discriminate against asylees]
[Insert first reasonable discussion of problematic regulations that forbid SpaceX from hiring asylees while another law insists SpaceX can't discriminate against asylees]
🧵10/Ω
Elon repeatedly says "Orwellian" when he means "Kafkaesque" in this segment.
This is also the segment where Elmo compares America's slow bureaucracy to Lavrenti Beria, the head of Stalin's secret police.
Elon repeatedly says "Orwellian" when he means "Kafkaesque" in this segment.
This is also the segment where Elmo compares America's slow bureaucracy to Lavrenti Beria, the head of Stalin's secret police.
🧵11/Ω
At this point they're both getting really animated and yelling stuff about "the media" and "the system".
$0.02: "The media" gets tons of things wrong and distorts facts to create "stories". This has always happened and will continue to happen. Doesn't mean Stalin is back.
At this point they're both getting really animated and yelling stuff about "the media" and "the system".
$0.02: "The media" gets tons of things wrong and distorts facts to create "stories". This has always happened and will continue to happen. Doesn't mean Stalin is back.
🧵12/Ω
There's a lot of discussion of "the media" lying about how "trump said he wanted Liz Cheney shot". This was an obviously stupid overstatement by "the media", similar to the "bloodbath" and "very fine people" nonsense.
Again, this does not mean Stalin is in charge.
There's a lot of discussion of "the media" lying about how "trump said he wanted Liz Cheney shot". This was an obviously stupid overstatement by "the media", similar to the "bloodbath" and "very fine people" nonsense.
Again, this does not mean Stalin is in charge.
🧵13/Ω
Rogan proceeds to explain that were it not for X 𝘯𝘰 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘣𝘦 𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘭 that "the media" was hyperventilating about the Cheney firing squad and bloodbath stories.
LOL.
Rogan proceeds to explain that were it not for X 𝘯𝘰 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘣𝘦 𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘭 that "the media" was hyperventilating about the Cheney firing squad and bloodbath stories.
LOL.
🧵14/Ω
Rogan explains that the only reason Facebook has gotten more lenient about banning people is because Elmo let nazis have their twitter accounts back, ignoring the fact that perhaps other companies have their own agency.
Rogan explains that the only reason Facebook has gotten more lenient about banning people is because Elmo let nazis have their twitter accounts back, ignoring the fact that perhaps other companies have their own agency.
🧵15/Ω
[insert long discussion about how Community Notes is going to solve all the world's problems]
[insert long discussion about how Community Notes is going to solve all the world's problems]
https://x.com/CNviolations/status/1851054410887282772
🧵16/Ω
Elmo claims that the feds are trying to "lock him up in jail" over his attempt to buy votes in Pennsylvania which he blames on...
wait for it....
...
..
.
George Soros.
Elmo claims that the feds are trying to "lock him up in jail" over his attempt to buy votes in Pennsylvania which he blames on...
wait for it....
...
..
.
George Soros.
https://x.com/Shmarya/status/1051168753222848512
🧵17/Ω
Elmo goes from there to talking about a "petition to support the constitution" he created.
Elmo goes from there to talking about a "petition to support the constitution" he created.
🧵17/Ω
Unmentioned is the fact that these guys are endorsing the president who most clearly among all presidents did not support the constitution.
Unmentioned is the fact that these guys are endorsing the president who most clearly among all presidents did not support the constitution.
🧵18/Ω
[Insert discussion of tyrannical governments and the 2nd amendment]
Rogan: "Tyranny is rearing its head in the UK."
Elmo: "They're releasing pedophiles from prison to make way for people arrested for Facebook posts."
The QAnon is rising...
[Insert discussion of tyrannical governments and the 2nd amendment]
Rogan: "Tyranny is rearing its head in the UK."
Elmo: "They're releasing pedophiles from prison to make way for people arrested for Facebook posts."
The QAnon is rising...
🧵19/Ω
Rogan: "Tyranny is encouraged by the left. Ketanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry.."
Elmo: "Kerry said the 1st amendment is an impediment to dealing with misinformation" which he implies to be as sinister as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion but is just like, obviously true.
Rogan: "Tyranny is encouraged by the left. Ketanji Brown Jackson, John Kerry.."
Elmo: "Kerry said the 1st amendment is an impediment to dealing with misinformation" which he implies to be as sinister as The Protocols of the Elders of Zion but is just like, obviously true.
🧵20/Ω
Anyone who thinks that the government using "the media" to try to convince the public of what's right and good is somehow a new and novel and sinister thing knows very little about history.
Anyone who thinks that the government using "the media" to try to convince the public of what's right and good is somehow a new and novel and sinister thing knows very little about history.
https://x.com/Cryptadamist/status/1852121807123259797
🧵21/Ω
Don't get me wrong - "the media" and the government's propaganda have resulted in some really terrible things in very recent memory. But pretending that this is in any way new and is inevitably Stalinist and irreversible is just the brainworms talking.
Don't get me wrong - "the media" and the government's propaganda have resulted in some really terrible things in very recent memory. But pretending that this is in any way new and is inevitably Stalinist and irreversible is just the brainworms talking.
🧵22/Ω
The reality is only ~20% of the population has any idea what is going on and how to think about it. Consider:
- Martin Luther King's approval: ~20%
- Iraq War approval: ~80%
The rest of the species is just monkeys flinging shit at each other based on tribal loyalties.
The reality is only ~20% of the population has any idea what is going on and how to think about it. Consider:
- Martin Luther King's approval: ~20%
- Iraq War approval: ~80%
The rest of the species is just monkeys flinging shit at each other based on tribal loyalties.
🧵23/Ω
History is also very clear eyed about the fact that a) if misinformation gets out of control the consequences for society are straight up cataclysmic and b) "freedom speech is not freedom of reach" (to quote the great philosopher Elon Musk)
History is also very clear eyed about the fact that a) if misinformation gets out of control the consequences for society are straight up cataclysmic and b) "freedom speech is not freedom of reach" (to quote the great philosopher Elon Musk)
https://x.com/Cryptadamist/status/1835751757382578247
🧵24/Ω
Anyways moving on, Elmo talks about how "the Steele dossier was completely fabricated."
Which, OK, it had a bunch of things wrong but a) it wasn't meant to be public and b) it was *explicitly* labeled as a collection of rumors Steele had heard, mostly unconfirmed.
Anyways moving on, Elmo talks about how "the Steele dossier was completely fabricated."
Which, OK, it had a bunch of things wrong but a) it wasn't meant to be public and b) it was *explicitly* labeled as a collection of rumors Steele had heard, mostly unconfirmed.
🧵25/Ω
Somehow we go from the Steele dossier to Elon claiming that the left wants to "oppress your freedoms" and create a "non merit based society with race and gender preferences".
Somehow we go from the Steele dossier to Elon claiming that the left wants to "oppress your freedoms" and create a "non merit based society with race and gender preferences".
🧵26/Ω
Rogan: "The only reason the media lies is because the powers that be are doing things that the public doesn't want them to do."
No Joe, the media lies because a) the people in charge are dumb and b) to get advertising dollars. That's it and that's all.
Rogan: "The only reason the media lies is because the powers that be are doing things that the public doesn't want them to do."
No Joe, the media lies because a) the people in charge are dumb and b) to get advertising dollars. That's it and that's all.
🧵27/Ω
[There is extensive discussion of the insidiousness of the way the Madison Square Garden Trump rally was compared to the infamous Nazi rally in the same location by hyperentilating blue hairs and Rachel Maddow.]
[There is extensive discussion of the insidiousness of the way the Madison Square Garden Trump rally was compared to the infamous Nazi rally in the same location by hyperentilating blue hairs and Rachel Maddow.]
🧵28/Ω
Again, just because Rachel Maddow - who, I remind you, has no legal authority over anyone - is not explaining the nuances of how the fascist style of politics differs from national socialsm does not mean democracy is on the brink.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism
Again, just because Rachel Maddow - who, I remind you, has no legal authority over anyone - is not explaining the nuances of how the fascist style of politics differs from national socialsm does not mean democracy is on the brink.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ur-Fascism
🧵29/Ω
Elon claims X is a great place to see "the flow of argument" and "evidence", somehow forgetting the centuries old cliché that "falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after."
Elon claims X is a great place to see "the flow of argument" and "evidence", somehow forgetting the centuries old cliché that "falsehood flies and the truth comes limping after."
🧵30/Ω
Elmo: "The old Twitter was controlled by far left activists."
Which, OK, there was some really dumb moderation on old Twitter. But as Elmo has learned a) moderation is (extremely) hard and b) if you fuck it up advertisers leave. Corporations will err on the side of money.
Elmo: "The old Twitter was controlled by far left activists."
Which, OK, there was some really dumb moderation on old Twitter. But as Elmo has learned a) moderation is (extremely) hard and b) if you fuck it up advertisers leave. Corporations will err on the side of money.
🧵30/Ω
Elmo: "'Hate speech' is a propaganda word."
Again, overzealous moderation can be a problem (Reddit), esp. when a platform requires "one size fits all" rules. At the same time most people recognize CAMP AUSCHWITZ t-shirts as hate speech.
Nuance is not these guys' strength
Elmo: "'Hate speech' is a propaganda word."
Again, overzealous moderation can be a problem (Reddit), esp. when a platform requires "one size fits all" rules. At the same time most people recognize CAMP AUSCHWITZ t-shirts as hate speech.
Nuance is not these guys' strength
🧵31/Ω
Elon: "The left used to want to expose government corruption but now they're in power & they don't want that."
No shit sherlock. Are you 5 years old? This is how politics works. When one party gets too corrupt you vote the bums out.
Elon: "The left used to want to expose government corruption but now they're in power & they don't want that."
No shit sherlock. Are you 5 years old? This is how politics works. When one party gets too corrupt you vote the bums out.
🧵32/Ω
According to them guys the biggest problem with the world is that the govt and the old twitter didn't apologize enough for their moderation mistakes during an unprecedented global pandemic and therefore we must vote for the guy whose lies killed Ashli Babbitt & others.
According to them guys the biggest problem with the world is that the govt and the old twitter didn't apologize enough for their moderation mistakes during an unprecedented global pandemic and therefore we must vote for the guy whose lies killed Ashli Babbitt & others.
🧵33/Ω
Now we get to the really good stuff: vaccines.
Elon: "Fauci funded bioweapons research in China. He's a demon."
As per most conspiracy theories there's a small bit of truth in there wrapped in layers of tinfoil.
Now we get to the really good stuff: vaccines.
Elon: "Fauci funded bioweapons research in China. He's a demon."
As per most conspiracy theories there's a small bit of truth in there wrapped in layers of tinfoil.
🧵34/Ω
Rogan: "If scientists were researching coronaviruses why didn't they have a cure for covid instead of this crazy vaccine?"
This is the kind of thing people who regard RFK Jr. as a scientific authority might say.
Rogan: "If scientists were researching coronaviruses why didn't they have a cure for covid instead of this crazy vaccine?"
This is the kind of thing people who regard RFK Jr. as a scientific authority might say.
https://x.com/Cryptadamist/status/1851373284173967809
🧵35/Ω
They talk about how the covid vaccine didn't stop transmission. Again, while the govt's messaging on this was piss poor, this is another small core of truth wrapped in tinfoil by a complete dismissal of the entire field of mathematics called "statistics".
They talk about how the covid vaccine didn't stop transmission. Again, while the govt's messaging on this was piss poor, this is another small core of truth wrapped in tinfoil by a complete dismissal of the entire field of mathematics called "statistics".
🧵36/Ω
Discussion of how pharma companies are evil, everything is driven by profits, etc.
Rogan yells (literally) about Vioxx and Oxycontin which I would be the first to concede were two extremely low points in pharma industry history.
npr.org/2007/11/10/547…
Discussion of how pharma companies are evil, everything is driven by profits, etc.
Rogan yells (literally) about Vioxx and Oxycontin which I would be the first to concede were two extremely low points in pharma industry history.
npr.org/2007/11/10/547…
🧵37/Ω
We go to a discussion of MDMA, psilocybin, ibogaine cures for PTSD, addiction, etc. I agree w/Joe on this stuff and I appreciate his use of his platform to harp on it but it was kind of a weird segue.
As an aside JD Vance had never heard of this:
maps.org/mdma/ptsd/
We go to a discussion of MDMA, psilocybin, ibogaine cures for PTSD, addiction, etc. I agree w/Joe on this stuff and I appreciate his use of his platform to harp on it but it was kind of a weird segue.
As an aside JD Vance had never heard of this:
maps.org/mdma/ptsd/
🧵38/Ω
They talk about addictive drugs, including the phenomenon of Nazis on meth, which is an admittedly very interesting part of German history that is sometimes glossed over.
time.com/5752114/nazi-m…
They talk about addictive drugs, including the phenomenon of Nazis on meth, which is an admittedly very interesting part of German history that is sometimes glossed over.
time.com/5752114/nazi-m…
🧵39/Ω
Elon: "I'm addicted to tasty food."
Elon: "I'm addicted to tasty food."
🧵40/Ω
Discussion moves inevitably to the holocaust of Peanut the squirrel.
Elon: "If the govt can execute your pets what do you think they can do to you?"
Rogan: "Not an exaggeration at all."
The NYC DEC is probably building gas chambers as I type this.
usatoday.com/story/news/nat…
Discussion moves inevitably to the holocaust of Peanut the squirrel.
Elon: "If the govt can execute your pets what do you think they can do to you?"
Rogan: "Not an exaggeration at all."
The NYC DEC is probably building gas chambers as I type this.
usatoday.com/story/news/nat…
🧵41/Ω
Elon: "The death of Peanut is really going to mobilize the vote."
You know things are going well when your voter turnout strategy relies on the memory of Horst "Peanut" Wessel.
Elon: "The death of Peanut is really going to mobilize the vote."
You know things are going well when your voter turnout strategy relies on the memory of Horst "Peanut" Wessel.
🧵42/Ω
Elon: "Leftists on X were posting about how glad they are that Peanut the MAGA squirrel got murdered."
Which is yet another conflation of hyperventilating blue hairs on social media with the mainstream Democratic party.
Also Russian bots trying to stir up shit.
Elon: "Leftists on X were posting about how glad they are that Peanut the MAGA squirrel got murdered."
Which is yet another conflation of hyperventilating blue hairs on social media with the mainstream Democratic party.
Also Russian bots trying to stir up shit.
🧵43/Ω
They discuss the Whitehouse Correspondents' Dinner (which Elon attended). Elon says the comics roasted Trump too hard. Rogan says it was because of the birther conspiracy. Elon seems to have no idea that trump's entire political career started with a racist lie about Obama
They discuss the Whitehouse Correspondents' Dinner (which Elon attended). Elon says the comics roasted Trump too hard. Rogan says it was because of the birther conspiracy. Elon seems to have no idea that trump's entire political career started with a racist lie about Obama
🧵44/Ω
Rogan is actually pretty good at pushing back on Elon's nonsense here, right up until the moment he suggests "they" might have fed the birther conspiracy to Trump so he would repeat it publicly and be discredited.
Rogan is actually pretty good at pushing back on Elon's nonsense here, right up until the moment he suggests "they" might have fed the birther conspiracy to Trump so he would repeat it publicly and be discredited.
🧵45/Ω
Elon clearly wants to not believe that Trump pushed the birther lie. Mild props to Rogan for insisting that he believe it though he could have reminded Elon that that was the way Trump launched his campaign. Moving on:
Elon: "Hillary poured bleach on her email servers."
Elon clearly wants to not believe that Trump pushed the birther lie. Mild props to Rogan for insisting that he believe it though he could have reminded Elon that that was the way Trump launched his campaign. Moving on:
Elon: "Hillary poured bleach on her email servers."
🧵46/Ω
Now we get into the hardcore "democracy is ending" hyperventilating.
Elon: "the selection of Kamala was a fork in the road of destiny. If we don't elect Trump we will lose democracy in this country."
[insert stuff about illegals flooding swing states]
Now we get into the hardcore "democracy is ending" hyperventilating.
Elon: "the selection of Kamala was a fork in the road of destiny. If we don't elect Trump we will lose democracy in this country."
[insert stuff about illegals flooding swing states]
🧵47/Ω
Look, the idea that "illegals" in swing states is going to lead to permanent leftist dominance is just "regarded". Even if they all become citizens overnight (they absolutely will not) what will happen is the right will change a policy position & latinos will vote for them
Look, the idea that "illegals" in swing states is going to lead to permanent leftist dominance is just "regarded". Even if they all become citizens overnight (they absolutely will not) what will happen is the right will change a policy position & latinos will vote for them
🧵48/Ω
Anyways I look forward to four years from now when reporters will hopefully ask these guys whether democracy ended in 2024.
Anyways I look forward to four years from now when reporters will hopefully ask these guys whether democracy ended in 2024.
🧵49/Ω
On voting:
Rogan: "Why would you not require ID to vote? the only reason i can think is to cheat."
Elon: "It's to cheat"
[Seemingly lost on them is the fact that you need ID to *register* to vote]
On voting:
Rogan: "Why would you not require ID to vote? the only reason i can think is to cheat."
Elon: "It's to cheat"
[Seemingly lost on them is the fact that you need ID to *register* to vote]
https://x.com/EpsilonTheory/status/1848056528382677201
🧵51/Ω
Verbatim:
Elon: "Illegals were flown in. Flown in on airplanes."
Rogan: "With an app."
Elon: "Yes."
Verbatim:
Elon: "Illegals were flown in. Flown in on airplanes."
Rogan: "With an app."
Elon: "Yes."
🧵52/Ω
Elon: "If Trump doesn't win this is the last real election in America. If the big Kamala puppet machine wins it'll be worse than California. The one thing that keeps California OK is the fact that you can move out of California. If the dems win there will be no escape."
Elon: "If Trump doesn't win this is the last real election in America. If the big Kamala puppet machine wins it'll be worse than California. The one thing that keeps California OK is the fact that you can move out of California. If the dems win there will be no escape."
🧵53/Ω
They talk a lot about Diddy and Epstein without ever once mentioning that Trump was besties with both men. Like literally Epstein said he was Trump's best friend for 10 years. It's on tape, as is Trump saying he wouldn't declassify the Epstein files bc it's "full of lies."
They talk a lot about Diddy and Epstein without ever once mentioning that Trump was besties with both men. Like literally Epstein said he was Trump's best friend for 10 years. It's on tape, as is Trump saying he wouldn't declassify the Epstein files bc it's "full of lies."
🧵54/Ω
Elon accuses Diddy of "abusing kids" and the music industry of "feeding him the kids". Diddy has been a horrible human being forever but I'm not sure how kids fit into this. AFAICT there's nothing about kids in the extremely extensive indictments.
QAnon is rising...
Elon accuses Diddy of "abusing kids" and the music industry of "feeding him the kids". Diddy has been a horrible human being forever but I'm not sure how kids fit into this. AFAICT there's nothing about kids in the extremely extensive indictments.
QAnon is rising...
🧵55/Ω
Rogan says the only people telling "the truth" are Elon, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr, and Vivek Ramaswamy.
While I have mixed feelings on what may have happened to Tulsi's brain, as far as the rest I just can't even...
Rogan says the only people telling "the truth" are Elon, Tulsi Gabbard, RFK Jr, and Vivek Ramaswamy.
While I have mixed feelings on what may have happened to Tulsi's brain, as far as the rest I just can't even...
https://x.com/Cryptadamist/status/1851373284173967809
🧵56/Ω
Talk turns to Grok AI.
Rogan: "So it's like ChatGPT without the woke?"
Elon: "Caitlyn Jenner is based."
They make fun of @mcuban for looking like a woman ("he's wearing Rachel Maddow's glasses and with the earpods in they look like earrings")
Talk turns to Grok AI.
Rogan: "So it's like ChatGPT without the woke?"
Elon: "Caitlyn Jenner is based."
They make fun of @mcuban for looking like a woman ("he's wearing Rachel Maddow's glasses and with the earpods in they look like earrings")
🧵57/Ω
They try to get Grok to tell a joke about trans people and "woke karens". The jokes are not funny, even to them. The demo fails.
The end.
They try to get Grok to tell a joke about trans people and "woke karens". The jokes are not funny, even to them. The demo fails.
The end.
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