I'm baffled at the lack of joined up thinking here. @Ed_Miliband's government, seems to think the best way to deal with Donald Trump, is to be subservient, and obsequious, rather than standing up to him, and being assertive.
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Trump has made it clear that he aims to totally wreck and destroy, climate policy.
So Ed seems to think, on the one hand his government can say to Trump, we'll do anything you want sir. Whilst pursuing climate action.
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That Trump will totally ignore @Ed_Miliband trying to big up climate action, with COP 29, whilst Trump is trying to undo all that.
It only makes sense if the climate policy @Ed_Miliband is pursuing is fake. Trump won't mind that.
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Does @Ed_Miliband, not consider, that when they're trying to beg Trump not to put tariffs on UK goods to the US worth billions of pounds, that Trump won't say, if you me to be nice to you, then you better drop all that climate shit.
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Trump, and his fossil fuel enablers, are virulently anti-climate action, climate change deniers. They want the US to be allowed to drill, drill, drill baby.
Do they think Trump will ignore governments he can threaten and blackmail, pursuing effective climate action?
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This is the dilemma, all those governments trying to appease Trump, are going to be faced with. Trump has no morals, he will not hesitate to try and blackmail and strong arm, those that are subservient to him, to do what he tells them to do.
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Whereas the EU, if the UK, rejoin, is a bloc big enough to stand up to the Trump bully boy, and to be assertive with him.
This is the thing about bullies, if you don't stand up to them, they will walk all over you.
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I'm utterly baffled at what is going on. Do they think Trump will respect them, whilst they are grovelling to him. No Trump will take that as a sign of weakness, and will think he can get these chickenshits, to do whatever he tells them.
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It's very simple, if the UK government, and all the others, claiming to want to address the climate crisis, are in the slightest bit sincere, they have to be willing to stand up to Trump, and say No!
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If @Ed_Miliband and the UK government think that realpolitik says they have to be slavering and subservient to Trump, then any stance they supposedly take on climate action, will be totally fake, because that's all uncle Donald will allow.
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The UK and other governments, are going to have to make a choice, they're either going to have to be assertive and firm with Trump, over climate action, or their commitment to addressing the climate crisis is totally fake, and they're misleading the public.
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When I say cooperation, I mean it is essential, for 2 main reasons.
It is necessary, to stop the climate and ecological crisis, getting worse, by focusing on protecting humanity and our needs, rather than trying to preserve economic growth, enabled by competitive behaviour.
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The very reason for the failure of climate talks, climate policy etc, is that it in a highly competitive world, different countries are seeking a competitive advantage, vested interests, like fossil fuel companies are competing for their own interests.
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The common good of humanity, the welfare of people, and the planetary system, which sustains us, doesn't get a look in, with all these powerful entities, competing on the basis of national interest, industry sector and individual corporations.
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Yes, I'm well aware this is against the government, local and national, handling of this crisis.
However, we can understand the public being confused as to who and what to blame, given the industrial scale gaslighting, the public have been subjected to over the crisis.
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Nevertheless over time, it will start to become clear what this is about.
We have seen similar reaction after wildfires etc.
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With the election of Trump, I think the conventional approach to addressing the climate crisis is dead in the water. I mean COP talks, the fake Net Zero by 2050 etc, etc.
This thread is for climate activists, scientists, and all those trying to address this crisis.
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Whilst we don't know exactly what Trump will do in office, it seems certain that he will pull the US out of all international climate agreements, and massively interfere with, and stop all US government, climate action/research. This is just the bare minimum.
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Going by Project 2025, it seems likely that in the US, the regime will wage a war against climate science.
Trump is closely allied, to Putin/Russia, and Saudi Arabia, Modi/India and other fossil fuel producers consumers. So this will go well beyond US borders.
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I fully agree with @JKSteinberger and if there is one thing, that has resulted in another Trump presidency, it is the way the centre, and the moderate left, have embraced neoliberalism. It's resulted in ordinary people getting the shitty end of the stick. 1/
THE BIG problem of neoliberalism, is its cult like nature, and the way, the public knows nothing of it, it's invisible, and it's sold to the public, as if this is the only way to do things. Neoliberalsim, has been embraced across the political divide.
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It is this invisible nature of neoliberal doctrine, which has allowed populist right, liars and carpetbaggers, like Donald Trump, to get away with falsely claiming there is a deep state conspiracy, the liberal elite.
People can sense, that system really is rigged.
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The apparent election victory of Donald Trump, has consequences for the world, that I'm sure, very few people, have ever thought of.
The world has just been sent, in an incredibly dangerous direction.
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Most, and probably all professional political commentators and analysts, will be mistakenly seeing this, in terms of very few parameters. In terms of Trump's last presidency, in terms of policy. This is profoundly mistaken.
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The first and most important factor to consider, is that Donald Trump is totally incompetent, and has absolutely no idea of what he is doing. What he has pledged, will result in global catastrophe, on so many levels, that I could never even outline what we are facing.
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The tragic flooding in Valencia, was directly related to anthropogenic carbon emissions from fossil fuel burning, and so is every extreme weather event, and we should end all this absurd anti-scientific nonsense, about whether these weather events, are climate related.
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Asking whether an extreme weather event is climate related, is a legalistic contrivance, of the type the tobacco industry used to use, to deny all responsibility, for smoking related cancers and deaths. It's legalese to let the fossil fuel industry off the hook.
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Let's define the basics. A weather event, is the current state of the swirling atmospheric gases, at a given location, at a given point in time. Climate, is the average of those weather events, over longer periods of time, at different scales, spatial and temporal.
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