This is the problem. There is on political realization, no government planning, no research, no scientific studies, no one doing anything in any meaningful way, of asking what is going to happen.
Think of the chaos, which happened in Valencia, the total unpreparedness, the headless chick approach. Then multiply it by thousands or millions of times, across society globally.
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Scientists have been giving warnings for 50+ years about ecological collapse, the Limits of Growth being exceeded, climate impacts, Planetary Boundaries being breached.
But no one has been researching, what this actually means, for our Civilization?
No one has been researching the interactions of these massive environmental impacts, with our societies, our economies, and the dynamics of this.
Just pie in the sky BS about geoengineering, NETs, CCS, billionaires flying to Mars etc.
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Talk about total denial and fantasy escapism!
You would have thought the biggest challenge that has ever faced humanity, and it's not me saying that - someone would have actually been studying what it actually means for us.
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But no. The markets will respond, humanity will suddenly come together, and apply these fantasy techno-fixes, that will never work. We'll be saved, so no need to think about it.
WTAF!!!!
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Then Dr Michael Mann, Dr Katharine Hayoe et al, just labelling anyone thinking about it, as doomerists.
This hysterical, way of stopping anyone even thinking about it.
Thinking about reality, is not allowed.
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In the UK we have @Keir_Starmer's government, going all out for economic growth, to make a marvellous future for the UK, when the science tells us that globally, we are in deep shit. Up shit creek without a paddle. AMOC collapse, might be a fly in the ointment.
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Then we have the American solution. To vote in climate change denier and total idiot, wannabe fascist, Donald Trump as president, and he'll ban even mentioning climate change, whilst making America great again.
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Nero fiddling whilst Rome burns, ain't got anything on this total denialism, where we must not think about it, at all.
Lest it upset the financial markets, then destroy the trip of the billionaires on their way to becoming trillionaires.
Why don't all the environmentalists, and progressives just bugger off to Bluesky, so they can preach to the converted, and chatter with each other about their 1001 competing, plans to avoid the collapse.
Best no one think about what is actually going to happen!
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I've spent the last 50 years time, thinking about what is actually going to happen.
The big thing I've discovered, is no one is at all interested in what is actually going to happen, by having a good close look at how we got where we are and the thinking that enabled it.
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Because I have been engaging with non-environmentally aware people, for over 50 years, I have fully realized just how little environmental awareness, penetrates the mainstream.
I've generally avoided environmentalists, because of this.
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One of the first things I noticed, when I attended meetings of environmentalists, was just how detached they were from the rest of society. They mistakenly thought everyone was aware of what they were aware of.
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Even though environmentally aware people come from non-environmentally aware families, socialize with non-environmentally aware people, work with them, they very rarely engage with them about the climate or whatever.
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Yes, I am fully aware that some low lying island states, are vulnerable to complete inundation by rising sea levels.
However, it is profoundly mistaken, to see other countries as not so vulnerable because they do not face total inundation.
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THE huge problem with the media, politicians and economists, is to see the climate and ecological emergency, simply in terms of simplistic parameters, like sea level rise, extreme weather, flooding, drought, or whatever. This thinking fault will be the death of us.
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When I say cooperation, I mean it is essential, for 2 main reasons.
It is necessary, to stop the climate and ecological crisis, getting worse, by focusing on protecting humanity and our needs, rather than trying to preserve economic growth, enabled by competitive behaviour.
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The very reason for the failure of climate talks, climate policy etc, is that it in a highly competitive world, different countries are seeking a competitive advantage, vested interests, like fossil fuel companies are competing for their own interests.
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The common good of humanity, the welfare of people, and the planetary system, which sustains us, doesn't get a look in, with all these powerful entities, competing on the basis of national interest, industry sector and individual corporations.
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I'm baffled at the lack of joined up thinking here. @Ed_Miliband's government, seems to think the best way to deal with Donald Trump, is to be subservient, and obsequious, rather than standing up to him, and being assertive.
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Trump has made it clear that he aims to totally wreck and destroy, climate policy.
So Ed seems to think, on the one hand his government can say to Trump, we'll do anything you want sir. Whilst pursuing climate action.
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Yes, I'm well aware this is against the government, local and national, handling of this crisis.
However, we can understand the public being confused as to who and what to blame, given the industrial scale gaslighting, the public have been subjected to over the crisis.
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Nevertheless over time, it will start to become clear what this is about.
We have seen similar reaction after wildfires etc.
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With the election of Trump, I think the conventional approach to addressing the climate crisis is dead in the water. I mean COP talks, the fake Net Zero by 2050 etc, etc.
This thread is for climate activists, scientists, and all those trying to address this crisis.
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Whilst we don't know exactly what Trump will do in office, it seems certain that he will pull the US out of all international climate agreements, and massively interfere with, and stop all US government, climate action/research. This is just the bare minimum.
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Going by Project 2025, it seems likely that in the US, the regime will wage a war against climate science.
Trump is closely allied, to Putin/Russia, and Saudi Arabia, Modi/India and other fossil fuel producers consumers. So this will go well beyond US borders.
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