To start, what makes the F-35 or the B-21 expensive is the software and the electronics, not the pilot per se (of course, having the pilot makes it more expensive, but the primary source of cost overrun and time delays was the software).
Which is importante because a reusable drone would need to get all that flashy electronics of an F-35, which is expensive (a Global Hawk costs in the 200m ball range, vis-à-vis 90 for an F-35).
Second, to be "reusable" - i.e., capable of operating in contested airspaces - it would need to have stealth technology (i.e., both active and passive cancellation of its different signatures - electromagnetic, thermal, acoustic...)
A Global Hawk cannot operate in a contested airspace, as a shooting down of the Navy version, the Triton, by Iran in 2019 shows. In this sense, the criticism of stealth and the reference to reusability is a bit weird as it's not clear how you'd accomplish latter without former
Third, sophisticated SAM have so far shot down only one stealth aircraft, the F-117, and that shooting down was due to a mix of factors, including the US Air Force was flying the same route, and Yugoslavia had spotters outside Aviano Air base that served as early warning sensors
Fourth, low light sensitivity cameras cannot detect stealth aircraft at long range, which would mean that air defenses would not have enough time to react to an incoming aircraft.
Fifth, stealth is not about being "invisible" but about reducing the range of detection for enemy sensors, and in particular for enemy radars, which have the longer range (from radar range to eyesight range, i.e., to low light sensitivity cameras).
Sixth, if all you need to shoot down a stealth fighter is low light sensitivity cameras, AI and drones, then also a drone would be at risk, and so it's not clear how it could be reusable.
Moreover, if that were the case, Russia and China would not had been investing in advanced radars exactly to address the threat of US stealth aircraft (multiple input multiple output, multi-static, synthetic impulse and aperture radar).
One additional consideration (thanks to @alessionaval): strategy matters. The goal of an aircraft, as for any weapon system, is not necessarily only to carry out a specific mission, but also to create uncertainty and hence impose costs on the enemy.
The best example is the B-1, intended to force the Soviet Union to increase spending in air defenses, which ultimately contributed to the bankrupting of the country. nytimes.com/2016/09/09/bus…
This is to say, by simply existing, the F-35 and the B-1 force Russia and China into strategic choices they would not have to make otherwise (i.e., budget allocations). Even if Musk were right (and he is not), deleting the programs would relax these constraints on them.
Here I added a couple of sources for those interested further.
At least for my small number, my thread about Elon's wrong take on the F-35 got some attention yesterday. Logging off today as I have work to do. Thanks to @Hertie_Security alumn @sochnyev who pointed to me Elon's comments, which followed discussions we have had on this topic.
One general comment about the whole debate: When I teach about air defenses, stealth, radar (as well as the defense industry, weapons design, military operations, personnel policy) I always preface my lectures telling students that my goal is to make them informed citizens.
That is: whatever career they will have, I believe it is important that students who are interested in politics and economics can follow, understand and contribute to public debate about defense, as it should be in a democracy.
Io davvero non ho parole. Il giornalismo Italiano, dopo aver dato attenzione e spazio ad un personaggio come Orsini, ora arriva addirittura a celebrarlo come uno che aveva previsto tutto.
Tralasciamo l'errore metodologico del ragionamento di Formigli: per due anni e mezzo l'Occidente, proprio perché ascoltava le scemenze di Orsini sull'escalation nucleare, ha centellinato, posticipato, dilazionato o addirittura evitato la fornitura dei sistemi d'arma più preziosi
per l'Ucraina, e questo approccio ha contribuito direttamente e maggiormente alla situazione nella quale l'Ucraina si trova attualmente).
La seconda guerra mondiale in Europa è stata vinta in particolare in mare e nei cieli, domini in cui l'Unione Sovietica ha giocato un ruolo pressoché nullo. Possiamo riconoscere il sacrificio umano dell'Armata Rosa (alleata dei Nazisti fino al 1941), ma non cambia i fatti.
In Europa, la WWII è stata vinta grazie a:
- il radar "centimetrico" che hanno vinto la Battaglia dell'Atlantico (insieme alla capacità di decifrare Enigma e ad al sonar attivo ASDIC);
Orsini ha scritto un articolo delirante contro di me e @aa_gilli. L'articolo invece di rispondere a critiche fattuali che io e Andrea, in due thread diversi, abbiamo avanzato verso sue affermazioni prive di fondamento, si lancia in una invettiva verso di noi.
Orsini cerca poi, maldestramente, di riproporre nuovamente la sua speculazione per cui i sistemi di difesa iraniani riuscirebbero ad abbattere un F-35 a 300-400km di distanza.
Per Orsini, evidentemente, quando si solcano i confini iraniani, le leggi della fisica smettono di essere valide. Un po' come la pastella (grits) nella cucina del testimone di Mio Cugino Vincenzo.
Mi è stato girato questo video del professor Orsini, secondo il quale la limitata risposta Iraniana all’attacco Iraniano è spiegata dal fatto che l’Iran ha sistemi di difesa antiaerea che possono “colpire gli aerei Israeliani a 300-400km di distanza, cioè è in grado di colpire...
... sia missili balistici di lunga gittata, sia i droni, sia i caccia di quinta generazione, cioè fondamentalmente gli F-35 americani, che sono i caccia più avanzati di cui Israele disponga.”
Non so neanche da dove iniziare. Se non fosse tutto deprimente, sarebbe divertente.
Il professor Orsini parla chiaramente di cose che non conosce, ma con tono sicuro e frasi ad effetto (invocando “la logica”) cerca di impressionare gli ascoltatori, e chi è in studio. Poiché c’è un limite a tutto, qui riporto un po’ di fatti e di “logica”.
First, the paradox about the debate about missile defense and the F-35 (regardless of which side you take) is that the unconventional thinkers soon created a new orthodoxy.
Somehow hinting that missile defense could intercept ballistic missiles was considered heresy in some circles until just a couple of years ago. To say nothing about acknowledging some strengths of the F-35.