For a long time many of us on the left have tolerated some very counterproductive discourse norms because it seemed like everyone crying about them was actually opposed to the *substance* of anti-racism, disability justice, decolonization, and so on
But it feels like we’ve gotten to a point where these norms are truly untenable, even (especially?) for those of who care to really do the work and win on these fronts, as well as on the front of class struggle.
Particularly, of course, I’m talking about norms of ostracism and deliberately alienating others within the movement when you disagree. *Especially* when you’re only disagreeing about tactics/strategy, rather than goals or values. We’ve just got to stop running everyone off
I think there was a time where it felt like the liberal-left coalition had essentially won the culture war, and now it was simply a matter of enforcement. But that’s clearly wrong. We didn’t, and a lot of us overestimated our power to enforce our preferred norms
Some of us were genuinely eager to enforce what seemed like a new cultural consensus. Others of us went along with it because the intra-left opposition was so overwhelmingly bad-faith, and came from people clearly not persuaded of the substantive importance of, eg, trans rights
I think a lot of us got negatively polarized into accepting or supporting discourse norms that are, frankly, anti-social. Norms which eschew persuasion in favor of discipline. Norms which ‘solve’ disagreement through intimidation or excommunication, rather than solidarity
A lot of us also, I think, were (and maybe still are) pessimistic about the possibility of persuasion. How do you persuade someone out of irrational, reactionary, but strongly-felt beliefs? It’s understandable that for many, social pressure and discipline felt more plausible
Maybe you can’t *fix* a bigot, maybe you can’t change their minds, but you could potentially discipline them. Maybe you could force them into compliance, behaviorally, even if you couldn’t change their minds
And it’s no coincidence this all flowed out of the Obama victories, in which most white voters remained as racially-polarized as ever, yet were defeated by a coalition of people of color and educated liberal/left urban whites.
Part of why Obama’s victories set this into motion (along with a host of other liberal/left dysfunctions) is it seemed like we were on a path to irreversible demographic superiority. Persuasion was moot! Our side of the culture war was bigger, and stronger, and growing
This was a faulty premise for many reasons, and it led to some huge miscalculations.
Chief among them: the mistaken belief that we actually had the structural power to enforce our cultural consensus. Secondarily, the belief that we even *had* a cultural consensus internally
In retrospect it's fairly clear that there never really was a liberal-left cultural consensus at all, nor was there the institutional power to enforce it. Instead, we mostly developed the limited power to discipline ourselves and each other, to punish our coalition partners
This creates structural incentives to manipulate discourse tools and norms in order punish internal political competitors. It leads naturally to dishonesty and the abuse of these rhetorical strategies. To satisfy ego, or ambition, or vindictiveness
It also, of course, shrinks the coalition when you're constantly casting people out of it.
Maybe you still think we *should* not have to persuade, tolerate, or compromise with people whose politics are, in some area or another, reactionary. And you're right; we *shouldn't* have to. But, clearly, we do have to.
I organize all the time with people who are varying degrees of reactionary on trans liberation. I organize with them on our common points of solidarity in a shared struggle for economic justice. And I try to prove to them I'm a trustworthy and valuable partner in that struggle
And I don't humor them or lie to them about my trans-liberatory politics. I don't censor myself. I don't condescend. I explain my positions to them, in detail.
But I also don't censor *them*. I accept I have to put up with some discomfort in order to get the work done.
If we can't accept that the work of liberation will require this kind of honest, uncomfortable tolerance of disagreement, then we're fucked. Because regardless of whether we *should* have to put up with such things, we don't have the power to demand compliance without persuasion
We never really did. It was a decade or so of the *illusion* that such cultural power existed. And we have to face reality
We have to actually do the work of persuading people of our values. And persuasion requires trust. Punishing people doesn't inspire trust.
Ostracizing people—bullying them, shaming them—doesn't inspire trust. *Delivering* for them inspires trust. *Winning* inspires trust.
People are already clamoring for us to abandon these fights altogether. They want us to throw trans people and immigrants to the wolves, for expediency. Largely, these are the same people who made dishonest arguments against "cancel culture" or "PC" in the past
And that, again, is because the people complaining about "PC" or "cancel culture" 10 years ago didn't actually oppose those methods. They opposed the substance. Just like the proponents of social pressure tactics, the opponents also believed there was a cultural consensus!
They also believed that these social pressure tactics were effective! That's why they railed against these methods—because they were scared of them! The whole liberal-left debate about social pressure and ostracism was a veiled, obtuse debate about the substantive differences
And that's where we all fucked up, because no one was *really* engaging with the question of whether these methods *work*. All the dishonest critique poisoned the well and made it near-impossible to look clearly at the issue of efficacy
The pundits who want to abandon trans people, homeless people, & immigrants, want to enforce a new "consensus" and silence yesterday's in-group as today's inconvenient dissidents.
We need a new model altogether, that can accommodate disagreement, without abandoning our values
We need to be able to organize honestly with people who hold reactionary beliefs on issues important to us, *without* lying to them or censoring ourselves, and *while* doing the work of *persuading* them.
We can do this, if we’re honest about who we are and what we believe in, *and* we deliver wins that matter to them, and to us, on points of common cause. That’s how we’ll grow the coalition, and persuade people. By building trust. By winning.
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Just an incredible, undeniable failure by liberals. A human catastrophe.
And you’d think socialists, of all people, would be eager to scourge the libs about this clear, empiric failure of their unscientific policies! Yet so many of us defend these liberal policy regimes!
Housing is this bizarro space where 90% of socialists become raving liberals who suddenly believe in the power of regulated markets to deliver socially-necessary goods. It’s insane that we give up criticizing one of the biggest, most obvious weak points of liberal policies!
A lot of socialists have, I think, convinced themselves that liberals are opposed to affordability minimums, local control, community input, rent control, environmental reviews, onerous building codes, and restrictive zoning—but we already have all that, and liberals did it!
The main problem I have with leftist arguments against YIMBY housing reforms (upzoning, legalizing single stairwell buildings, etc) is that they all seem to assert some version of “the market can never provide cheaper rents than it currently does”, which is flatly not credible
Housing should not be a market-provided commodity, but for now that’s what it is. And it is cheaper in some places than in others. And it has been cheaper at different times. None of the leftist arguments I’ve seen about the power of landlords to dictate price can explain this
Every time there’s some denial of how supply/demand are involved in determining the price of housing, there’s a total failure to explain why some cities are cheaper than others, or why expensive cities used to be affordable.
Tbh @Tyler_A_Harper, the “pipeline” is very real—it describes so many young men I know.
The problem is Democrats see Bernie as *causative* here; he drove them away from Dems and to MAGA. Of course, the opposite is true: they would’ve stayed Dems with a Bernie-style platform
We should absolutely talk about the reality that tons of low-info, low-propensity, and politically disengaged voters loved Bernie and flocked to him. But he put off the highly-engaged base of the Democratic Party.
Problem is, Dems needed those low-info voters after all
And once Dems ceded them—not only by ditching Bernie, but by *deliberately trying to alienate* those voters, with explicit calls to fuck off and get out of Our Party—Trump started picking them up. Because, like Bernie, he can articulate a broad moral narrative about the economy
I really think if Harris loses, it won't just be about a bad campaign and a bad candidate. Looking at the polling on immigration, homelessness, and crime (among other issues), the country has lurched right pretty hard in just the last few years. I think because of COVID
People experienced a collective crisis, which demanded concerted action and sacrifice in order to protect the whole public--but especially the most vulnerable. And they hated it! They got exhausted with it very quickly. They wanted to go "back to normal" ASAP
This exhaustion seems like a big part of the rightward shift of the median voter. Where before they might've felt compelled to care--or at least pretend to care--about, say, homeless people, now there's a misanthropic apathy. "just lock 'em up, or kill 'em."
It seems bad that once our society started to take child sexual abuse more seriously, people became increasingly fixated on the “sexual” part and not the “abuse” part.
Like, we now have a society where a shockingly large number of people think children will be suffer harm analogous to CSA by *reading* about sex and sexuality, but are totally uninterested in dismantling the systems of authority and hierarchy that abusers exploit to find victims
We are utterly uninterested in restricting the kind of petty tyrannies wielded by bosses, coaches, priests—and yes, unfortunately, parents—that consistently result in abuse, but we are very interested in putting some on who says “balls” out loud at Disneyland into the stockade
Taibbi has obviously gone insane, but an interesting nugget here:
He says republicans have “very little institutional power”, and cites schools, universities, and newsrooms. No mention of business, police, or…government. That’s invisible in his analysis of power! Fascinating
This obsession with media and education is pretty universal among Taibbi-style “why I left the left” types, or what you might call cosmopolitan reactionaries
Ironically, they replicate the cultural turn of the New Left that shaped them—they’re obsessed with cultural reproduction
And they have a corresponding lack of focus on institutional power in the realms of organized capital and organized violence.