Modi, Indira, 1971, Operation Sindoor, Shimla Agreement and Ceasefire....
Follow @deepdownanlyz and Read this thread to make your judgement on:
1. Modi vs Indira
2. 1971 War vs Operation Sindoor
3. Shimla Agreement of 1972 vs Ceasefire Understanding of 2025
India couldn’t resolve Kashmir issue, couldn’t hold on 15000 SqKM of Western Pakistan due to Shimla Agreement 1972.
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Follow @deepdownanlyz and Read this thread to make your judgement on:
1. Modi vs Indira
2. 1971 War vs Operation Sindoor
3. Shimla Agreement of 1972 vs Ceasefire Understanding of 2025
India couldn’t resolve Kashmir issue, couldn’t hold on 15000 SqKM of Western Pakistan due to Shimla Agreement 1972.
Continue...
If Indira Gandhi did not fall under International pressure, then
1. Why India return 93000 Prisoners of War to pakistan but Pakistan didn't return 54 PoW to India including Major+ ranks of officers.
2. Why India returned 15000 Sq KM of captured territory to Pakistan in Shimla Agreement
3. Why India didn't settle Kashmir issue, took back POJK and freed up Balochistan when Pakistan was at its weakest.
Then ...
1. Why India return 93000 Prisoners of War to pakistan but Pakistan didn't return 54 PoW to India including Major+ ranks of officers.
2. Why India returned 15000 Sq KM of captured territory to Pakistan in Shimla Agreement
3. Why India didn't settle Kashmir issue, took back POJK and freed up Balochistan when Pakistan was at its weakest.
Then ...
Is India, Modi and armed forces really at loss after ?
1. Bombing 11 Pakistani airbases including Rawalpindi(HQ) and many other military installations with significant losses upto $10 billion+
2. 9 terror camps killing 100+ terrorists including key preparators of Kandhar hijack, 26/11
3. Destroying half a dozen US and China fighter jets and 100s of Chinese and Turkish drones
Do you the difference between 1971 war vs Operation Sindoor?
1. Bombing 11 Pakistani airbases including Rawalpindi(HQ) and many other military installations with significant losses upto $10 billion+
2. 9 terror camps killing 100+ terrorists including key preparators of Kandhar hijack, 26/11
3. Destroying half a dozen US and China fighter jets and 100s of Chinese and Turkish drones
Do you the difference between 1971 war vs Operation Sindoor?
1971 War was :
1. two non-nuclear military state- No threat of greater loss of life and economy
2. India didn't have economic ambition, was more socialist in nature
3. War was planned in space of 9 months
As an outcome India did well militarily getting Bangladesh separated out of Pakistan though India didn't gain much out of its leverage in Western Pakistan.
1. two non-nuclear military state- No threat of greater loss of life and economy
2. India didn't have economic ambition, was more socialist in nature
3. War was planned in space of 9 months
As an outcome India did well militarily getting Bangladesh separated out of Pakistan though India didn't gain much out of its leverage in Western Pakistan.
Operation Sindoor:
1. Precision Strike by a nuclear state on another volatile , destructive nuclear state.
2. In recent history, none of the two nuclear armed neighbours have been in conflict except Iran and Israel.
3. Purpose was to destroy terror camps without declaring war against state of Pakistan.
4. Retaliate if Pakistan attacks.
India did well destroying terror camps, 11 Pakistani military installations and downing 6+ US and China made jets.
Why did India stop and agree for ceasefire? We could have taken POJK..
1. Precision Strike by a nuclear state on another volatile , destructive nuclear state.
2. In recent history, none of the two nuclear armed neighbours have been in conflict except Iran and Israel.
3. Purpose was to destroy terror camps without declaring war against state of Pakistan.
4. Retaliate if Pakistan attacks.
India did well destroying terror camps, 11 Pakistani military installations and downing 6+ US and China made jets.
Why did India stop and agree for ceasefire? We could have taken POJK..
All oppostion party want India to be at war like never before but why?
They didn't do anything in 26/11 attack. not a single bullet but why right now?
Here is the answer:
1. Unlike 1971, 2025 is not the era off long direct military confrontations. It is the era of precision objective strikes and economic power. India must work on making
Pakistan implode rather than long haul military confrontation.
It will derail India's economic progress, FDIs, jobs everything.
China wants that to happen so that all manufacturing moving out of China can stop coming to India, a nation at war.
2. Pakistan has nothing to lose. But China and US Deep State both have lot of common interest to make India lose.
Pakistan is just a front for them to sell weapon and keep India engaged in long wars just like US and West pushed Russia into war with a small Ukraine(non--nuclear) yet that war is 3 year long.
That is why...
They didn't do anything in 26/11 attack. not a single bullet but why right now?
Here is the answer:
1. Unlike 1971, 2025 is not the era off long direct military confrontations. It is the era of precision objective strikes and economic power. India must work on making
Pakistan implode rather than long haul military confrontation.
It will derail India's economic progress, FDIs, jobs everything.
China wants that to happen so that all manufacturing moving out of China can stop coming to India, a nation at war.
2. Pakistan has nothing to lose. But China and US Deep State both have lot of common interest to make India lose.
Pakistan is just a front for them to sell weapon and keep India engaged in long wars just like US and West pushed Russia into war with a small Ukraine(non--nuclear) yet that war is 3 year long.
That is why...
Indian toolkits, opposition parties, are so vocal of pushing India to war because if govt continue war, it will have impact on economy and growth. if govt dont fall for it, they can incite people against govt's weakness.
then what is the right thing to do:
Just take a cue from China, China has avoided all long direct confrontation wars since 1962, but made sure world can't take them easy.
In the mean time,it has become world's second largest economy and army.
Yet Chinese keep all its expansion interest intact by time to time aggressive posturing in Indian Ocea, South China sea etc.
then what is the right thing to do:
Just take a cue from China, China has avoided all long direct confrontation wars since 1962, but made sure world can't take them easy.
In the mean time,it has become world's second largest economy and army.
Yet Chinese keep all its expansion interest intact by time to time aggressive posturing in Indian Ocea, South China sea etc.
India's ceasefire vs Shimla Agreement:
India has come to a mutual agreement of not attacking Pakistan only if they dont attack India militarily or terror attack.
It means India is only stopping direct confrontation, yet its effort in Balochistan and POJK will continue.
India agreed to this only after inflicting significant loss to Pakistan,
US brokering this deal because US and China both faced humiliation for their jets.
What about Nuclear attacks...
India has come to a mutual agreement of not attacking Pakistan only if they dont attack India militarily or terror attack.
It means India is only stopping direct confrontation, yet its effort in Balochistan and POJK will continue.
India agreed to this only after inflicting significant loss to Pakistan,
US brokering this deal because US and China both faced humiliation for their jets.
What about Nuclear attacks...
There are reports of Pakistani military panicked so much that they started getting ready with Nukes as India reached closest to their nuclear stockpile.
Nuclear weapon is last resort for any country. You can take the cue from the fact that Russia has not yet used nuclear weapon int its war against ukraine.
So why Pakistan started testing since Pahalgam attack?
Nuclear weapon is last resort for any country. You can take the cue from the fact that Russia has not yet used nuclear weapon int its war against ukraine.
So why Pakistan started testing since Pahalgam attack?
One simple answer: They were damaged so much by Indian retaliation that they were getting ready for last resort that is nuclear attack.
Despite knowing the fact that it just need one attack for India to evaporate Pakistan in seconds.
That's where US got involved.
Why Shimla Agreement is getting compared?
In Shimla Agreement, despite no nuclear threat, India gave up on all its leverage Pakistan.
Was that Indira Gandhi's love for Pakistan or muslim votes or international Pressure?
Answer is: Both situations were different, era was different, purpose was different so dealt differently.
But why ceasefire?
Despite knowing the fact that it just need one attack for India to evaporate Pakistan in seconds.
That's where US got involved.
Why Shimla Agreement is getting compared?
In Shimla Agreement, despite no nuclear threat, India gave up on all its leverage Pakistan.
Was that Indira Gandhi's love for Pakistan or muslim votes or international Pressure?
Answer is: Both situations were different, era was different, purpose was different so dealt differently.
But why ceasefire?
We don't know yet till PM Modi speaks.
But for now,
Our goal is Viksit Bharat 2047.
Pakistan's goal is another billion dollar loan and sufficient Atta for their population.
China and competing economies will surely try to stop us.
So we should not find final solution of Pakistan?
Yes absolutely but wisely.
But for now,
Our goal is Viksit Bharat 2047.
Pakistan's goal is another billion dollar loan and sufficient Atta for their population.
China and competing economies will surely try to stop us.
So we should not find final solution of Pakistan?
Yes absolutely but wisely.
We should be at war when we want to.
We should be at war with whom we need to, may be it can be China.
We should be at war the way it suits us, imploding Pakistan than direct war.
Because World is aware How Indian forces can decimate even a nuclear terror state.
We should be at war with whom we need to, may be it can be China.
We should be at war the way it suits us, imploding Pakistan than direct war.
Because World is aware How Indian forces can decimate even a nuclear terror state.
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