Thread by @GREENESJ333

Roger Froikin @rlefraim wrote, "RATIONAL OPTIONS THAT CAN WORK AND THOSE THAT CANNOT —- THE “PALESTINIAN” PROBLEM.
(İn contrast to solutions that will never work)

FIRST, LET’S LOOK AT WHAT NEVER CAN WORK.
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Suggestions over the last 80 years have been made that just maybe a bi-national state could be a solution, and in more recent years, a so-called two-state solution.

I challenge anyone to show me are and how a bi-national state has ever been successful.
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It’s easy for me to make that challenge because the answer is simply. It has never worked. Sure, some of you will say “Belgium” but that arrangement has been contentious at best, with two languages being the only significant difference between the two competing groups.
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Or, take a look at the former Yugoslavia states where just using a different alphabet or having different religious traditions within Christianity can be enough to make a war over.
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Then maybe Lebanon? No, a state where everyone shares a language, but religion divides them, which made the history of the state one of conflict.
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In Israel, there would be several religions, several languages, and on top of that, one side (Arab) that has taught its children that they must destroy, kill, the other side (Jews) as a religious imperative and a key to Paradise.
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Then, there are those who talk about taking a tiny land and drawing lines for a second state - a two-state solution. One wonders why the world powers do not make the same demand in other parts of the world. Should there be a two-state solution to Catalonia?
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How about a two-state or multi-state solution to the problems of Italy? Or what of a two-state solution for areas of Ukraine where Russian ethnics dominate the vast majority of the population?
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Or what about a free Biafra in Africa separating from Nigeria where Igbos feel like persecuted second-class citizens?

NO, The West only demands a two-state solution when it comes to the Jews in the only Jewish homeland.
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Sort of a brush off by the West that simply wants to deal with the problem of Muslim potential violence in their own countries.
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The Gaza self-rule was put forward by the US, UK, and EU to be the experiment for a two-state solution which could work - based on Jews withdrawing, and leaving Gaza on its own, with the West promising Israel that were the experiment not work to bring peace,
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Israel would never be asked to try a two-state deal again. It seems someone lied. And they are still lying, as the current policies of France, the UK, and Germany prove.
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We all know what happened with Gaza as soon as the Jewish civilians and IDF left. Terrorists took over, and terrorism started rather quickly.

No, Guys, something different needs to be considered. What can be proposed that actually has a chance of working and why?
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Yet, listen to the Governments in Europe today - France, the UK, Germany, Denmark, Spain, and the Vatican, all still demanding that the Jews are the problem and if the Jews would only back off and allow a Palestine State, everything would be OK,
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until another massacre worse than October 7, but then, they would cry if Israel retaliated again.
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In fact, my prediction, if Palestine were a State, within 2 years, there would be mass invasions from Samaria toward central Israel, killing and raping in numbers that make October 7, 2023 look like a small nothing.
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So, real solutions need to be considered based on more than European ingrained bias against Jews.
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First, any solution with a chance of working has to include (1). the prospect of realistic gain for everyone. Show people how to benefit their lives, increase opportunity and living standards, and overall benefit the quality of life;
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(2). Change the religious, leftist ideology and mythology that looks at elimination of Israel and Jews as the solution to everything, and end the use of religious interpretation to make martyrdom a positive. If these two things are not done, there will be no solutions.
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So here’s two suggestions, assuming that the ideological-religious framework that excuses terrorism is removed by either ending the beliefs (unlikely) or by completely separating the peoples.
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(A). THE FIRST OPTION IS TO ESTABLISH A TWO-TIER SYSTEM, BASED ON ISRAELI SOVEREIGNTY OVER ALL OF THE TERRITORY ALLOCATED TO A JEWISH REPUBLIC AT SAN REMO. One tier, being National Identity of the entire territory, and the second tier, being local affairs.
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On the Issue of National Identity, there are two nations, according to many, and demands that Palestine Identity be respected. Fine. All Jews living between the River and the Sea, citizens of Israel (Western Palestine under the British).
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All Arabs (with exceptions) citizens of Jordan (Eastern Palestine under the British), as advocated by Winston Churchill MP and enacted by Parliament into law at one time.
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The second tier, local government handling local affairs, and most functions of government returned to the local level.

This would solve the issues of self-determination, preservation of national identity, and regional security as well as provide opportunity.
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(B) The ABRAHAM ACCORDS AS FACILITATOR. Saudi Arabia joins the Abraham Accords, followed by Oman. The Saudis have a big problem - the need for a lot of foreign labor, both skilled and unskilled, from non-Arab cultures and non-Arabic speaking populations.
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The Saudi Government is seeing massive economic expansion and diversity and is held back by a lack of domestic population that can achieve it. Offer the Palestinians homes and jobs and citizenship, as Saudia is the origin of most of the Palestinians,
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who because of that origin, share a religion and a language and a culture with Saudia, and they would provide a relatively educated, skilled population that is easily assimilated.
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Saudia could quickly absorb most of them - offering a much better life and opportunity to Palestinians that a tiny Palestine State would never be able to offer.
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(C) There is a place where a Palestinian State could be established. Birobidjan is an area that was designated as a Jewish autonomous region in the Soviet Union. All the Palestinians could be sent there.
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I see a bit of humor in having them go there to replace the Jews instead of their intention to replace the Jewish State. But, the fact is that Russia needs population, and can offer opportunities in that area that a Palestine State next to Israel never could, and
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frankly, the PALESTINE ARAB IDENTITY AS SEPARATE FROM ARAB IDENTITY IN GENERAL WAS DEVELOPED IN MOSCOW IN THE 1960’s before which Arabs in Palestine claimed there were not a separate people but rather an integral part of the Arab nation.

SO, GUYS, THAT’S THE CHOICE.
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Choose a solution that guarantees failure or choose one that opens the door to opportunity and peace.

I happen to prefer offering people a way to have opportunity and peace simply because that is the only realistic way to have peace."
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