NC -we will address you very briefly on this. And come back on Monday.
CE Has the panel had the opp to read it? we are not applying for an order but if the tribunal makes an order that has appears to arisen. Primarily it's about putting a marker. With a view to come back on..
J have you seen it?
CE I can't see what kind of order can be sought
J do you want us to read this?
CE - yes
Document referred to is the NHS Fife statement. Link to follow
CE - a good part of the reason this is taking place in Dundee not Edinburgh because in part because of threats made to SP legal team. At that time SP didn't describe that publically or attribute this to anyone because doing so would be entirely improper
unfortunately paras 3 and 4 of this press statement seem to do that. If i can finish.
If we look at para 3 that's identifying the CEO of Sex Matters and the claimants barrister and describes that orgs involvement in the media and suggests it's involved in steering public opinion
Para 4 seems to conclude that in the context of this debate that this has evolved into more worrying behaviour that has required the involvement of police Scotland. This statement on day 3 of resumed procedings...It is a matter of some concern that a party to these procedings...
...with SP has been linked to behaviours of members of the public. There are factual inaccuracies that will be dealt with on Monday.
The short point is that this is unusual conduct. It is irresponsible in the context of what we already know. It is for this reason we bring
..this to the Tribunals notice and any other steps to be taken?
J - Miss Russell?
Jr - I would also like time to think about it I am still unclear what order isbeing sought. On this statement - nothing said that isn't true. I d
on't think there is any defamation. In any event none of it isnt true. A stretch to say that Para 3 is leading to Para 4. That the roles of the people in para 3 are associated to the worrying treatment in para 4. I don't make that connection
..because this has taken place in public, I am afraid that threats have been made to them as have been made to me. I don't have the details of what CE is referring to, I had not understood threats made to legal team, there may be things I was not told about. Yes...yes..
..there's a referral to a citizen's arrest. But that does not entail a different view. It is important that everyone taking part feels safe. There is nothing in this statement that strikes me. There is nothing that the Tribunal needs to make an order. Doesn't Fife have article
10 rights. I find it ironic is seeking to restrict Fife's speech. In reality there is no basis for that feeling (of feeling unsafe) but I would like to take instructions and think further on it.
J - it will be necessary for us to have a think before making any public comment
...the claimants have the time to articulate an order. We can then consider it. I can say at this stage that nobody should feel intimidated, that is the matter for the criminal court, and Police Scotland. Obviously matters of defamation are not in our jurisdiction.
..after making these general comments we will leave this until Monday.
[some discussion about people's availability]
Anything else?
[nothing]
J we will convene on Monday
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Picking up first thing you had heard about. (sound very poor)
LC - I don't recall anything being relayed to me at the time
CE - (again sound poor) p463
CE - again sound very poor
J - ? 5, 9 and 10 read now?
CE - yes
We resume
aths taken
J when you give you evidence, I write it all down, so please go slowly
JR - what is your role
LCn senior charge nurse
JR What does it involve
Day to day running, patient care, nursing and managerial duties
Can you descrive relationship with SP
Line manager so prof relationship
How long?
Since 2020 when promoted
JR Describe relationship
LC Prof working relationship
JR- were you aware of her GC views
LC - nothing direct
We resume:
CE - Charlotte Elves - acting instead of Naomi Cunningham for SP
CE - some qu on your testimony. Where did you find DU, DU said had to go round whole dept and ask registrar was to find EP.
How long would that take?
EP - around whole area? describes doors and corridors
This is part III of our afternoon coverage of Peggie v NHS Fife & Dr B Upton.
Panel You were asked re your role and you said you offered leadership, with no direct reports. What are you responsible for.
GM [inc] Governance, complaints, adverse events and provide leadership for directorship - patient care standards
P You have no direct line management
P who ED report to?
GM Angie Shepherd
P re i/xs, using policy. You had some involvement - emails, etc. What was your role when those i/x going on.
GM Would be told c i/x. Then pass to i/x manager. No involvement in i/x. May participate in panel as prof nursing manager
This is part II of our afternoon coverage of Peggie v NHS Fife & Dr B Upton.
NC A few qs re reminder to C not to discuss case. [to doc] template letter notifying employee to i/x - includes should avoid discussing. Standard in disc letters. Expect to be used in Fife
GM y
NC Would expect disc to be finalised in a few weeks
GM 3-4 months
NC So reasonable to ask not to discuss if invest happening in normal period
GM y
NC Looking at suspension letter - don't see there any mention of confidentiality in that letter. JR will take you back to it if necessary.
GM not there
NC Nearest is this - shouldn't access work