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Apr 3 10 tweets 2 min read
This is the second part of our live tweeting from the afternoon session of Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre, closing submissions. Obligations that arise from Art 8 in this context - the content of Art 8 rights don't extend to rights against employers or other individuals. DH's more expansive contentions about what Art 8 might require in this context are unsustainable.
Apr 3 96 tweets 15 min read
We are live tweeting from the afternoon session of Adams v Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre. closing submissions. Submissions are the most difficult aspect of a proceeding to tweet as barristers speak uninterrupted and cite case law. We will not attempt reference the cases. Our reporting is not a transcript but attempts to pick up the main thrust of arguments and discussion.
Apr 3 67 tweets 8 min read
Welcome to part 2 of the morning session of Counsel submissions in the case of Adams v Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre.

Part 1 (including an abbreviations list) is here:

NC: No cases relying on gender identity theory have come to tribunals, yet. DH right to be nervous about whether belief in it *is* WORIADS, because, this case starts showing how dangerous it can be. WIll come back to this.
Apr 3 52 tweets 9 min read
We hope to be live tweeting submissions (closing arguments) in Adams vs Edinburgh Rape Crisis Centre today from 10 am. Our previous coverage is here:
tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/adams-vs-edi…
Image Submissions are the most difficult aspect of a proceeding to tweet as barristers speak uninterrupted and cite case law. We will not attempt reference the cases. Our reporting is not a transcript but attempts to pick up the main thrust of arguments and discussion.
Mar 21 19 tweets 3 min read
Resuming Lister vs New College Swindon. Second afternoon session.

Back with Peta Fry, H R Manager, NCS PF WS corrections. I am no longer at NCS.

KL Your WS - wish to focus on your referral of me to DBS which has resulted in my being barred from the workforce.

EJ Is that one of the points of the claim? It isn't in the list of issues.
Mar 21 34 tweets 6 min read
Good afternoon. We are continuing to report from Lister vs New College Swindon. Expecting to resume at 1.30pm.
Our earlier coverage can be found here:
tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/kevin-lister… Lynn Plested, Vice Principal. From witness statement - I am now Deputy Principal.

KL Take you to my dismissal letter and reason I am facing disciplinary action. The harassment claims. Do you have the same position as CK this am. There are 2 PC age and GR. When there is conflict
Mar 21 45 tweets 8 min read
We return for the second part of the morning on Day 4 of Kevin Lister v New College Swindon:

More info on our substack:

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/kevin-lister…
[Court begins 11.42]

J: We're just waiting for a member.
[Pause]
J: OK go on KL
KL: one second. OK. Can I ask ur thoughts on new words that have come into English language, deadnaming etc. Do u think they accurately describe what referring to?
Mar 21 79 tweets 13 min read
Good morning & welcome Day 4 of the employment tribunal, Kevin Lister v New College Swindon.

Mr Lister alleges he was fired for not affirming a student's preferred pronouns.

10am start.

For more info, live tweeting & press, visit our substack:
tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/kevin-lister…
Image We are attending the hearing at Bristol Employment Tribunal remotely.

Abbreviations
EJ - Judge Livesy

P1 - Panel Member D England
P2 - Panel Member G Mayo

Claimant
KL or C - Kevin Lister, claimant (Representing himself)
Mar 20 27 tweets 5 min read
Afternoon session in Lister vs New College Swindon will resume at 3:15. Previous coverage here.
tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/kevin-lister… KL - it is not in your area of expertise?
AS - it's not in my sphere of responsibility, there are others in the college to do that.
KL - you are my senior manager, isn't it reasonable for me to assume that once I have given you that concern, you will follow it through
Mar 20 43 tweets 7 min read
We are continuing to report from Lister v New College Swindon. Expecting to resume at 2pm. Our earlier coverage here:
Mar 20 52 tweets 9 min read
Now resuming in Lister vs NCS. Morning session Part 2.
EJ - asking CB to turn on camera, checking that CB can see and hear, I will turn the camera so that you can see your counsel and then KL who will be asking you the most questions. Do you want to swear or affirm.
Mar 20 10 tweets 2 min read
EJ - do you remember the length of the transgender training? Do you take issue with the accuracy of the notes and the comments in this training?
KL - I took issue almost throughout but let me refresh my opinion. There was nothing in the training that said we were not to inform EJ - how much of the training related to transgender issues
KL - an entire day of CPD, the trans module was about 45 minutes, a YouTube clip
EJ - was it designed for NCS?
KL - I don't know I assume they bought it in from some trans org. There was no opportunity to discuss.
Mar 20 47 tweets 9 min read
We will be reporting from Lister vs New College Swindon this morning from approximately 10 am.
Kevin Lister will continue under cross examination. Link to our Substack is here.
tribunaltweets.substack.com
Image Abbreviations
EJ - Judge Livesy
P1 - Panel Member D England
P2 - Panel Member G Mayo
KL or C - Kevin Lister, claimant (Representing himself)
Mar 19 25 tweets 5 min read
Afternoon, Part 2. Lister vs New College Swindon.
JS - now dealing with referral to LADO, NCS must make a referral to the LADO if any concern of harm to students under 18 by a staff member.
KL - yes, if a question of harm
JS - GDPR does not prohibit the sharing of pers infor KL - I'm not an expert. I read the GDPR legislation
JS - the LADO referral was made by TY, refusal to use name and pronouns, comments made in a training session, conclusion of investigation, additional complaint from teacher with child in the school.
KL - what page are we on?
Mar 19 31 tweets 6 min read
Lister vs New College Swindon (NCS) will resume at approximately 13:20 this afternoon. Afternoon session will finish at 3 pm. Kevin Lister cross examination by NCS barrister will continue this afternoon.
Morning coverage here:
Abbreviations:
EJ - Employment Judge Livesey
P1 - Panel Member D England
P2 - Panel Member G Mayo
C/KL - Kevin Lister, claimant
NCS/R - New College Swindon
Mar 19 55 tweets 11 min read
Our coverage of first morning session in Lister vs New College Swindon is here:
Image EJ - Employment Judge Livesey
P1 - Panel Member D England
P2 - Panel Member G Mayo
Mar 19 57 tweets 11 min read
We expect to be live tweeting the employment tribunal of Kevin Lister today from approximately 10 am. An overview of the case is here:
tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/kevin-lister…
Image Abbreviations (will be added to throughout the morning)
KL or C - Kevin Lister, claimant
NCS or R - New College Swindon, respondent
CK - Carole Kitching – College Principal (now retired)
AS - Amanda Spanswick (Assistant Principal and line manager)
Feb 13 28 tweets 5 min read
Part 2 of morning session of remedies hearing in RM vs SWE and WCC.
J - we have a hard stop at 1 pm, so if we don't finish we need to stop.
NC - my estimate of 30 minutes was generous.
Now on to costs, responding to SC's written submission. NC - costs are inherently compensatory, the conduct of the Rs is unreasonable, they had no genuine defence for their conduct. This proceeding should not have happened.
Please read para 16, and passage from BNP Paribas employee quoted there (don't have in front of us).
Feb 13 71 tweets 13 min read
We will be live tweeting the remedies (damages) hearing of Rachel Meade (claimant) from the Central London Employment Tribunal this morning. The respondents are Westminster City Council (her employer) and Social Work England (her professional regulator). A remedies hearing presents the same challenges as submissions; it is barristers presenting arguments, citing case law and having discussions with the judge and panel. It is difficult to live tweet, we do our best in good faith to report on proceedings.
Feb 12 18 tweets 3 min read
Second afternoon session RM v WCC and SWE

NC Short piece on retrieval of in house legal costs in Richardson, saying the definition re rule 38 on fees etc. Not proscriptive and a digest. [reads] NC That doesn't take matters forward because the costs of in house lawyer are recoverable but there still have to be costs of proceedings and for that, if u look at the rules themselves [ finding docs] Rule 74.1 [describes costs...] Rule 75 [reading out] It's clear these rules
Feb 12 63 tweets 11 min read
We're joining the afternoon session of R Meade vs WCC and SWE

Copies of 3 additional authorities referenced in SC's written submission being distributed to the panel members. J: Proceed
NC: You've read my remedy submission. Going thru SC's submission now. Start w 1st couple of his pages which are uncontroversial in nature and not disputed. Only extent damages shld be punitive is if make exemplary damages against SWE. No issue w para 678