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Apr 28

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WHY IS IT TAKING SO LONG?

Chapter 1 – The Fall of Angels
Why is the plan of God taking so long? Why didn’t God just end sin when it started?

Many people ask this question and do not know where to start to answer it. To attempt this, we must consider what has happened through God’s plan to prove to men and angels that He is a just and Holy God and that the outworking of His plan is perfect. In what is referred to as “eternity past”, God existed and began His creation work. The Bible teaches that God’s first created beings were angels and that they were created to have fellowship with Him in Heaven and that there was a time of rebellion among certain angels.

What is important to our original question is God’s response to the fall of the rebellious angels, their pronounced judgment, and the means to present His perfect plan to the angels through other particular beings of God’s creation: mankind.

There is no creation account timeline for the angels as there is for our planet Earth, the universe, and men. However, we do have passages in the Old Testament that describe the first falling away from sin within God’s kingdom beginning with the most famous angel, Lucifer, who we also know as Satan, along with references that refer to angels and their purpose toward men and God.

In the Bible, angels are described as spirits and as ministers, meaning they were created to be servants of God, to be ones God created to help or be present to present God’s plan:
Pss 104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:

In Isaiah 14, we read part of the account from the Bible of an angel named Lucifer, (his name meaning “Light Bearer”) and how he came to his fallen state:

Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Lucifer, also known as Satan, here declares in his heart that he desires to be equal or better than God Himself by exalting himself above the “stars of God”, above Lucifer’s own creator. This thought is what Bible believers call the origin of sin into God’s creation at that time, the angelic realm.

Lucifer’s fall and personal description are also explained further in the book of Ezekiel:
Eze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone [was] thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Eze 28:14 Thou [art] the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee [so]: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:15 Thou [wast] perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Lucifer was a grand image of perfection, so much that his pride corrupted him; he determined to be just like his Creator, declared by God to be one of His most excellent and beautiful creations, yet when iniquity was found in his heart he was cast down from his position, and his judgment declared.

The Bible tells us that God hates iniquity, unholiness, and sin and that it will not be allowed in His presence:
Pss 5:4 For thou [art] not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.
Pss 5:5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.

Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mt 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

These declarations against sin and how it will not be allowed in God’s presence would indicate that since Lucifer sinned in Heaven, his presence in Heaven would not be allowed after his heart was lifted up in pride because of his beauty.
In the book of Job, we read of a description of Satan, (that name meaning “adversary”), having mobility, being able to move about the Earth, and was one day called before God along with other angels, who in this passage are called Sons of God:
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

Peter describes these actions of Satan running to and fro in this verse:
1Pet 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

It is clear then, that Lucifer, (Satan), was an angel created by God, corrupted himself, was cast from heaven, having the means to move about the Earth, and he would do so while seeking someone to devour, to destroy.

Many Bible believers hold to the doctrine about this time in the past, that God would have presented His perfect plan that would counter the slander of Lucifer by presenting a previously unknown way of expressing His holiness and mercy through the creation of mankind and the material world. This full understanding of this plan was a mystery from the origin of the world. It must be true that this plan had to be known in its basic form by the Heavenly realm, and in particular, by Lucifer.

In many places in the Bible, there is an open conflict connected to a specific people that the Bible reveals are the chosen people from whom this plan is revealed to and revealed through, for the salvation of the world, to those who respond by faith to God’s purpose in restoring honor to His name.

We find a simplified account of this plan explained in a spiritual context in the book of Revelation:
Rev 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
Rev 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

The woman in this passage is believed by many to represent a Godly line of mankind with a special woman who bears a child that infuriates the great red dragon. This Godly line of men did not exist at the time of God’s revealing of His plan to the angelic realm.
God’s plan and its unfolding can be described here as both from the origin of mankind and from the eventual nation of men who would bring forth the Messiah.

That woman would represent the family line that produces that redeemer, and describes the nation of Israel, the child of Revelation 12:2 being Jesus Christ the Messiah, and the attempt by the great red dragon (Lucifer, or Satan) to destroy Him.

In the above passage, the great red dragon drew his tail and took 1/3 of the stars with him and they were cast to the Earth and tried to destroy the child from this woman. It must be noted that this child was to be a strong ruler of the world and would be caught up in Heaven, having escaped the attempt by the red dragon and brought to the throne of God.

Bible believers believe this is a description of God’s plan of the coming Messiah, predicted in eternity past to the angelic realm, concerning what God’s perfect plan for creation would be.

God’s perfect plan that He presented to the angelic realm would be fulfilled in the creation of men and of a specific man with a unique birth, symbolized by a woman with the ability to give birth and produce a child.

His expression of His holiness to His creation and His mercy and grace to mankind continues with the creation story and the fall of mankind in the Garden of Eden.

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Chapter 2 – The Fall of Men
Knowing then that God had a perfect plan before there ever was an Earth and knowing that God needed to bring about a plan and follow its due course, it is here that we go to Genesis chapter 1.

God created man to be a being that would have companionship with God:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

A related description of mankind being of a special nature to God is also stated in the Psalms:
Pss 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Pss 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.
Pss 8:6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all [things] under his feet:

God had a purpose for man which was to serve God and believe on Him and be rewarded in eternity for doing so:
Isa 64:4 For since the beginning of the world [men] have not heard, nor perceived by the ear, neither hath the eye seen, O God, beside thee, [what] he hath prepared for him that waiteth for him.

The man created, Adam, was given authority over the Garden of Eden by God Himself:
Gen 2:15 And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

This authority of the things of Eden would have extended to all the material things of the created world, Earth. Adam was the supreme man, the leader of all. While his authority given by God may have had a kingdom to lead over, he was alone in his exercise of this authority.

It must be remembered, with authority comes responsibility, and Adam would be responsible for the things that happen on the Earth because he was the man created to have that authority over the Earth at the beginning. As we will see further, the purpose of the creation of men, also, was for the man created, Adam, to be the leader of what would be called a family, and the unfolding of God’s plan would also use the concept of family to reveal God’s perfect plan.

Gen 2:18 And the Lord God said, [It is] not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Gen 2:21 And the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
Gen 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

There was only one man and one woman specially created here: Adam and Eve. This means that the concept of the family begins with the man created to fellowship with God and with the woman created to be the perfectly suitable companion of the man. Whatever had happened to Adam and Eve defined those that would come after.

In the early days after the creation was finished, God had given only one command to Adam, and it was this:
Gen 2:16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

This warning, of “thou shalt surely die” can be literally “dying thou shall surely die”, meaning that when they physically died, they would be dead for eternity for their spirit would be dead once sin had occurred.

Knowing that angels are created beings and have the ability to run to and fro from the Earth as we previously saw in Job 1: 6-7 and 1 Peter 5:8, we can easily see how angels, good and bad, would be observing this creation, and Lucifer would not be doing so to defend the honor of his creator, but to somehow cause havoc or disruption as the lion who seeks whom he may devour.

We do not know how much time passed after the creation of Adam and Eve and their fall into sin, but the Bible describes in Genesis chapter 3 the encounter of Eve with Satan, the serpent, (the devil):
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which [is] in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
Gen 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Gen 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they [were] naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves aprons.

This passage is why Bible believers call Lucifer, (here known as the serpent), the father of all lies, for here he took the word of God and twisted it, to fool Eve into taking and eating the forbidden fruit.

This introduction of sin in Genesis 3 into the world shows that Eve was deceived, not Adam who ate the forbidden fruit willingly, and because Adam was created for the purpose of having fellowship with God and to be the representative of God on planet Earth and to be the caretaker of God’s creation beginning in the Garden of Eden, therefore God declares that he is the sinner that let sin into mankind:
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Satan’s methods were revealed at this time and his lies and lying nature were referenced by the Lord Jesus Christ in John chapter 8:
Jn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

In this, we see that Adam and Eve both disobeyed God. They also didn’t believe what God said about their dying if they ate the forbidden fruit. The first two sins of men were, therefore, unbelief and disobedience.

Adam and Eve hid from God and God searched them out and asked them what was the reason they were hiding. They admitted they were naked and confessed to God that they had disobeyed that they disobeyed God and ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil:
Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

After they confessed their sin, God pronounced a judgment against Satan, the serpent:
Gen 3:14 And the Lord God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

God not only cursed the physical animal that Satan had possessed to tempt Adam and Eve with, but God also cursed and pronounced judgment against Satan himself. God also gave humanity the basic idea of how God was going to restore honor to Himself by judging Satan and restoring sinful men through the seed of the woman, that eventual seed being provided by God Himself.

While Satan would bruise the heel of the seed of the woman, that same seed would bruise the serpent’s head, meaning the crushing of the head, the death of the serpent. This promise in Genesis 3 is the first mention in the Bible of the Messiah that was to come to redeem mankind.

God pronounced a judgment against Adam and Eve, that Adam would be cursed to work the ground from the sweat of his brow and that Eve would be forced into a painful childbirth, a curse that would be for all time for all mankind.

In Genesis, Eve is declared the mother of all mankind, and because of the sin she had committed with her husband, Adam, all children would have a sinful nature, one that would require confession and repentance and a turning to God for the forgiveness of sin.

Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife’s name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

This means that the concept of the family beginning with Adam and Eve would extend to children born to them as promised and prophesied by Adam’s statement that Eve was the name of the mother of all living. This concept of family will be revealed later to play a quite important role in promises made by God to men, and through men for the redemption of the world; promises given only through offspring that have a direct relation to the promised families.

Adam and Eve’s attempt to cover their nakedness, (their knowledge of sin), using fig leaves was replaced with the skins of one of the animals that God had created, an innocent animal, without blemish, unhurt while in the Garden of Eden. God killed that perfect animal as a sign of what He would accept from mankind for sins to be forgiven.

Gen 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the Lord God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

This is significant, for the covering of skins for their nakedness is not just to cover their skin, but to be the act of God providing the sacrifice for the covering of sin, that the atonement for sin must come from bloodshed from an innocent, perfect source.

This first sacrifice for sin in Eden was from an innocent, perfect, newly created animal that God Himself provided. This is crucial - God provided the sacrifice.
This death of one of the original animals that God had just created, foreshadowed the eventual appearance of the Messiah and also the type of death He would experience. This part of God’s sovereign plan to redeem mankind was a mystery to the angels who would know what was to come:
1Pet 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, [as] silver and gold, from your vain conversation [received] by tradition from your fathers;
1Pet 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Pet 1:20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

This time of temptation and failure of Adam and Eve is also part of what has been explained above previously in Revelation, that the red dragon would try to destroy the child that came from the woman.

From the very start, Lucifer tried to prevent the Messiah from coming by corrupting the family, not fully understanding the methods of God’s plan of redemption of men from the penalty of sin and the promised Messiah spoken of in Genesis 3:15 due to Satan’s fallen nature.

The effect of Satan trying to corrupt Eve, and not Adam, would be an attempt to prevent the mother of the promised child of Revelation 12 to be able to produce that child due to that mother, Eve, being corrupted by sin. If the mother of the promised redeemer was corrupted by sin, then God’s plan of providing a redeemer who would judge Satan would either be prevented or delayed.

Satan, however, is not omniscient nor does he know the future. While he succeeded in corrupting the line of men that the Lord created to come in the world, he is unable to prevent the will of God from being completed.

This promise of the coming redeemer in Genesis 3:15 would have been witnessed by angels good and bad and would be a part of the mystery of God in how He was going to remove the slander of His name and character by Lucifer. God, by allowing the entrance of sin into the world, would seem to allow a victory by the Serpent at first but would end with the fulfilled promise from God of a redeemer who would crush the head of the Serpent.

The importance of this redeemer cannot be stated enough, for when God told Adam that the day he ate the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil would bring about his death, (Genesis 2:17), it was not his physical death, but that the spirit that God breathed into him would die. This also would be the spirit of life inside Eve that would die. This death of their spirit would create their need of reconciliation to their God, their Creator.

Their confession of their sin once confronted by God, along with the sacrifice of that animal that the Lord sacrificed to cover the nakedness of Adam and Eve, was done as the perfect symbol for all mankind to follow for remainder of men’s time on Earth until the Lord is finished with His creation. It served as the example of how sin entraps men and women, destroys men and women, and that only by confession of sin and that the trust in the sacrifice that only God alone can provide will bring men to the forgiveness of their sin by God through faith in what God did and not through their own actions.

This entrance of sin through Adam and Eve condemns all mankind in that all children that came from Adam and Eve, and all men and women that came after were all born with the spirit inside them, originally given by God, corrupted and considered dead.

This dead spirit is what condemns a man or woman to hell upon death. It came about because of the sins of Adam and Eve. The act of God receiving the confession of Adam and Eve, along with God Himself providing the sacrifice of a perfect animal that He had just created, taken from the Garden of Eden as a symbol of the type of death that the coming redeemer would suffer from, (The seed of the woman), is the lesson for all mankind, taught from the beginning of creation.
This lesson, that mankind has sinned, and that a redeemer is promised through the seed of a woman, and that this redeemer will suffer a death similar to the death of the animal that God sacrificed for Adam and Eve, and that this death will cover the nakedness, cover the sins of men,
was to be the message all generations were to repeat to all men and their offspring until that redeemer appeared to redeem mankind.
But most men did not believe.

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Chapter 3 – The Sinfulness of Men
In the passing of time, Adam and Eve had two sons, Cain and Abel. Cain and Abel brought their offerings to the Lord, Abel offering a slain sacrifice from the flock he kept while Cain offered the work of his hands. God rejected the offering of Cain and warned him to not let sin have dominion over him and to do right:
Gen 4:6 And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Due to Cain’s sinful nature that he inherited from his parents, Cain rose and killed his brother.
Gen 4:8 And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, and slew him.

These actions by Cain, to commit murder, proved that the sinful nature of men is passed down from parent to child, but so was the knowledge of the needed response to seek God’s face through the death of the innocent, for Abel also knew of his fallen state and chose to approach God rightly because his parent would have taught him to. Knowing then, that Abel pleased God through his actions by faith through a sacrifice to God and Cain rejected the slain sacrifice and instead offered the works of his hands,
Cain was therefore influenced by Satan somehow, rejected the rebuke of the Lord, and slew his brother Abel.

In Satan’s eyes, destroying the family line of the coming redeemer promised by God, would prevent or delay the judgment upon Satan for his sin and possibly prove that God was unable to keep His word.

This murder would be another partial unveiling of Revelation chapter 12 where the red dragon chased the obedient son and possible redeemer promised in Genesis 3:15 trying to kill him; but because Lucifer was not omniscient like God, he was unaware of the details or acts of providence by God to preserve the coming redeemer. This murder would also be the reference to Lucifer being a murderer from the beginning as the Lord Jesus said in John 8:44.

During these days, men grew more wicked and did not honor the God of creation. Fallen angels influenced fallen men so that the world reached a state of constant sin and corruption in the hearts of men.

It is widely believed that the sons of God in Genesis 6:1-5 were not Godly men, but men who were possessed or demonically corrupted and that some of these evil men had become races of giants, only possible through the evil influence of fallen angels, who according to Jude 1:6, “Left their first estate” :
Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
Gen 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they [were] fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Gen 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man [was] great in the earth, and [that] every imagination of the thoughts of his heart [was] only evil continually.

God sent a worldwide flood to wipe out mankind and saved a single family of Noah and his 3 sons, all with their wives. This would also be a Godly response to the attempt by Lucifer as shown earlier, that the red dragon was to try and wipe out the child to be born of the woman, by corrupting the seed of men so that no family would be able to provide the promised Messiah.

Gen 6:7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

Gen 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.
When the flood was ended and the waters receding, Noah stepped out of the Ark and offered an offering of slain animals for the Lord to accept as payment for the penalty of their sin:

Gen 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Gen 8:21 And the Lord smelled a sweet savour; and the Lord said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake; for the imagination of man’s heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.

Once again, God had received the sacrifice of blood being shed for the payment of sin, a payment taught back in the Garden of Eden. This was to be something for all mankind - that the only way to approach God about our sins was through the shed blood of an innocent sacrifice.

Noah would have done this because he would also know what God told Adam and Eve. All the descendants of Adam and Eve would have heard and spoken of the commands of God and also the banishment of Cain for disobedience. The death of the innocent animal that God provided for sin would have been the topic of how to approach God when presenting a sacrifice for sin. (Genesis 3:21) Noah chose to believe God by faith and obey God concerning the shed blood being necessary for forgiveness of sin.

The following verse speaks of the judgment upon angels for their sin in perverting men before Noah’s flood proved that angels had stepped into God’s creation, trying to influence it in evil ways outside the will of God, and were judged for it:
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day

This verse, Jude 1:6, speaks of the angels leaving their heavenly place and possibly, but unlikely, their spiritual form. Bible believers understand this as the angels influencing the men, possibly possessing them to control them to be the wicked men that Genesis 6:5 speaks of.

These actions of fallen angels would be a part of the satanic influence of Lucifer and the many angels that fell with him in the attempt to destroy any Godly line of men from the woman who would be victorious over the Serpent (Lucifer) in crushing his head.

2Pet 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast [them] down to hell, and delivered [them] into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

In 2 Peter we read of the evil angels of pre-flood times awaiting judgment for their sins. We read of that judgment at the end of the millennial kingdom. (Rev 20:10) Knowing that; we must consider that there must be a passing of time before the completion of God’s plan for mankind and the angels.

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Dec 11, 2024 Asheville and Swanannoa video and picture thread. Going to try and label each post. One video is about 19 minutes long again, it is in Asheville, right alongside the swanannoa River as it climbs north from rte 70 up north east from the VA hospital. LOTS of damage.

They did rebuild the banks in a few places, they did lay asphalt in a couple places, but it is process in others, and it rained here the last couple days and it is muddy, below freezing now.

I had a conversation with a bridge repair and highway repair guy, he told me the sediment was 4 feet under the bridge at rte 70 where the Swanannoa River passes under at exit 55 off rte 40. That water level is not 15 feet lower than that. No one knows where the sediment went other than to say it went downstream and spread out. The river is absolutely deeper now.

The number of trees knocked down that you will see have to be removed soon, for when they fall, they will float downstream and make a dam at the same bridge that the flo0od almost took out. That in itself is a major work for anyone, any city, any state.

all my videos and photos from december 11, 2024; Asheville, Swanannoa. The 19 minute video is the Swanannoa River going north from the area of Exit 55 on rte40, the north east area of the VA hospital. It was over 2 months before they even got running water. The video on the right side of the road is Swanannoa, the town, they still have more than 50% of the debris left to clean up. All they could do so far is open the roads. No one has a place to put all the debris.

The fallen trees in the river and the river banks must be taken down or they will dam all bridges they float to, and there will be new emergencies.

This is a bigger disaster than anyone is being told.

And, yes, people are in tents, but someone told me today that it is not 1400 kids in tents in the publlic schools, not that many...just a couple hundred kids...in tents...in winter...because their homes were destroyed.

Just a couple hundred. . .

And the kids are like zombies, all they want is speghetti sauce for their noodles because that is all they have left to eat. The children are also mostly not from low income families, either, they are from engineer's families, bankers families, the wealthier families had the homes in the hills because that is where a lot of the nicer homes were, not just the hillbillys you see on the internet videos, some of these people had 1/2 million dollar a year businesses...and now they got zero.

And FEMA has given less than 30 homes.
And people, like me and you, have donated dozens and clothes and food and kept these people alive. Government didn't do this. The grace of God did this. Appalachia did this.
But it aint over. Understand that. It aint over.

That is the video and photo I will start with:
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That bridge, that area that is blocked, that is where the water had taken away all soil and they had to close the bridge. They were able to fill it with rock, then process, and fill, and all they need to do is pave over what they got and that bridge can be used.

The bridge guy told me today they can maybe put 90,000 pounds on it, too, once it is signed off, it should be good to go.

the camper on the right, that is in Swanannoa, right off rte 70. A tent next to it, their cars.
Welcome home.
Aint no one doubting why they are there. Aint no one gonna say a word if they're smart or want to get re-elected.

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Driving in Swanannoa

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@JimBancroft2023

Dec 4, 2024

Asheville, today, December 3, 2024.
Long video goes from Azeala Street to Swanannoa River Road. A lot of improvement to the road, some paving, still a lot of debris, 2 months after the storm.

Second video is Swanannoa River Road near the Walmart that got flooded. That part of the road is blocked off on the areas on both the east and west sides of the Walmart.

NO POWER on parts of that road to the street lights, nor to the traffic lights.
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This is that wooden bridge on the right at an angle. The Blue Ridge Parkway is going north/south, that wooden bridge is that angled road partially hidden by trees in the center, the right side of the bridge.

at the 12 minute mark, you start to see this part of the map, the Beer City soccer club house on the north side of the soccer fields, and to the west is that dam that lost a full section of bridge that got washed almost 100 yards to the west.
That span on the left side is the dam, the bottom half is the bridge that got washed away.

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@JimBancroft2023

Oct 29, 2024

Asheville, bridge on Rte 70, Swanannoa River, I was wrong, that bridge still stands, but, it don't look good.
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@JimBancroft2023

Oct 28, 2024

Asheville 10/28/2024

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@JimBancroft2023

Oct 25, 2024

1. This is rte 81, Swanannoa River Road, Swanannoa, North Carolina.
#helene2024
This IS the back road I took to the VA Hosp, I didn't recognize it until I was leaving.
This whole area is all gone.
Homeless camp all gone, streets, local bridges.
27 days no rain, impending new landslides when it comes.