@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless "Yeah, I'm probably OK with eliminating student ones."
Yeah. Here's how that would play out: university STEM programs would relocate to countries that didn't try to block access for foreign students. America's lead in these fields would vanish almost overnight.
Yeah. Here's how that would play out: university STEM programs would relocate to countries that didn't try to block access for foreign students. America's lead in these fields would vanish almost overnight.
@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless If you want to sacrifice America's world power status in order to make nice with a xenophobe who chooses to not understand the difference between letting serious students in to study, and granting visas to people with paper degrees who are here to drive down wages ...
@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless ... in a way that only looks good on paper, you're free to be that way. Of course, this proposal will end up DECREASING the number of STEM jobs in America, not increasing it, because fewer students would mean fewer jobs for professors in STEM.
@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless Any given country produces only so many children with the native intelligence needed to benefit from graduate level education in STEM, and those children, disproportionately often, have been coming to America.
They then leave after graduation.
They then leave after graduation.
@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless Which is why Jack's idea is really kind of dumb. The students let in from overseas aren't competing with American graduates for jobs, unless one counts the TA appointments, and those expire at graduation.
@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless Around the time that the students get the usual letter from the INS congratulating them on their new PhDs, and telling them to get the f--k out of the US in the next few weeks, in order to avoid arrest and deportation.
@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless If they want to come back, they can apply for citizenship (as my parents did) and maybe they'll be approved. Maybe they won't. But either way, they almost certainly won't be coming back as H1Bs, because why would they?
@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless Even in a Third World Country like India, life with a real degree from a school like MIT or Harvard will be far more pleasant than anything that a H1B hire is experiencing in America.
@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless I think that Westerners sometimes forget that while India has hovels with regrettable floors made out of dried cow manure, it also has palaces and mansions.
The Third World has its problems, but it isn't Hell. A good life in it is a possibility.
The Third World has its problems, but it isn't Hell. A good life in it is a possibility.
@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless The people coming back to America after school come back because they have serious ambitions to realize here, not because they want to earn low pay by undercutting American labor.
@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless That deal is taken by the products of Third World degree mills, because, given the low objective worth of their educations, they know that they don't have better options.
They take what they can get, much like the American graduates of low grade schools.
They take what they can get, much like the American graduates of low grade schools.
@GxnTotingTexan @banteringless The difference wouldn't be a difficult one to understand, if xenophobia wasn't in fashion, and stubborn ignorance wasn't all the rage.
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