We will be live tweeting from the employment tribunal of Maria Kelly v Leonardo UK (L), due to start at noon. She alleges harassment, direct & indirect discrimination.
L, a leading aerospace company, has a policy permitting employees to use toilets accord to their gender identity.
A reminder that we post what we hear in good faith but do not provide a verbatim report.
Abbreviations:
C or MK - Claimant, Maria Kelly
NC - Naomi Cunningham, barrister for C
KW - Katy Wedderburn, solicitor for C
R or L - Respondent. Leonardo UK
ST - Susanne Tanner KC, barrister for R
J - Judge
P - Panel member
GC - gender critical
GI - gender identity
Apologies - we are still waiting to be let into the remote hearing room from the waiting room.
We are still in the waiting room and being told the parties are still in a private meeting. As it is approaching lunchtime we may not have a public session for some time, but we'll keep you informed when we know anything concrete.
We are now waiting in the virtual hearing room. The clerk has posted the following:
"The hearing is currently still dealing with case management matters and the hearing should be starting fairly soon".
We've just had another message from the clerk:
"Dear all the hearing has been adjourned till 10am tomorrow. there will be no hearing today"
We will be reporting again tomorrow for the duration of the case, which is due to last the rest of this week.
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This is the second morning session of Maria Kelly v Leonardo UK.
The sound from the courtroom is often very bad. We apologise for the fact that we will inevitably miss some parts.
[New witness takes oath]
J Counsel will use phrases c t ppl as discuss]
STName
AR Andrew Russell Letton. Known as Andy R in workplace.
ST VP for People [+ ?] Services Leonardo
ST What is a home site
AR Where are you contracted
ST Any ppl have home site and also travel. Flexible co policy to also work from home.
AR Yes, esp c covid.
Good morning. We are tweeting from the employment tribunal of Maria Kelly v Leonardo UK.
Maria Kelly is employed by Leonardo UK. She alleges harassment, and direct and indirect discrimination. Leonardo, a leading aerospace company, has a policy permitting employees to use toilets in accord with their gender identity.
We resume.
NC - page 47 tell us about the route from new desk to the toilets.
MK - entrance to all 3 toilets, are on N side of block, access, M and F. I would go N then E to the main block, not aware of men using. Or if need privacy NE of ladies is a double door.
J - clarifies
MK - other door into the cafe, follow wall line round, to left of cupboard when secret loo is.
NC - talked about it being hard to talk about at work, is L neutral on this?
MK - think the company does take a stance, Pride network was the first network. Gender network too, see