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Jan 4 14 tweets 3 min read Read on X
There is a lot of talk -- not the least from the US Administration -- about the windfall from Venezuela's oil. It is worth doing a bit of (boring) quantification.

Bottom line: it isn't going to pay for everything ...

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Venezuela's oil is heavy and sour, so it trades at a discount to sweet light.

2024 production was 0.9 mbd. Domestic consumption isn't zero. To generous, assume 0.75 mbd at day at $50 a barrel -- that generates $14 billion a year in exports.

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Industry experts (@Big_Orrin ) think the upper bound on how much additional production could be generated if the international oil service giants came in to revitalize the fields is ~ 1 mbd, or a ~$18b

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So an export revenue stream of over $30b (barring big swings in price) in a few years ...

A decent flow, but not a huge sum

(the long run maximum with a TON of new investment is perhaps 4 mbd, or Canada/ Iraq ... not Russia/ Saudi)

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But also consider all that has to be paid out of the oil revenue stream --

First, the oil majors and the oil service companies on their current production. They don't produce the oil for free ...

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Second, most of Venezuela's imports, as its other (legitimate) exports are tiny -- and Venezuela's people will have higher expectations from US backed leader than from Maduro ...

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Trump says he wants Venezuela to pay compensation (the ICSID awards? something more) for Venezuela's past nationalization of US assets -- that could eat up a lot of current export proceeds ...

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It wouldn't be a total surprise if Trump wants Venezuela to pay for the cost of any new US bases in the area (speculating here ... ); it presumably doesn't want a new US presence to be a new drain on the US taxpayer (not very America first ...)

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And of course Venezuela has a huge stock of unpaid debt -- GoV bonds, PDVSA bonds, Chinese claims etc.

The principal value of obvious claims is at least $100b, and there supplier credits outstanding + lots of past due interest

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The chart comes from a paper from Richard Cooper and Mark Walker (two distinguished lawyers with sovereign debt experience) from a few years ago -- am sure there there will be updates and new estimates

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Point being that there isn't a near term oil revenue stream big enough to pay for current imports (which will go up if the US wants stability), past claims (expropriation compensation, unpaid debt) and the new investment needed to raise production substantially ...

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As Mark Sobel has noted, the normal practice would be to have the IMF go in and start to sort out the external debts and put out a few numbers on near term imports to set out the fx available to pay off old claims (in a world where the IMF returns to thinking in BoP terms)

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But the IMF is an international organization and it wouldn't (easily) embrace a rigged process where US oil companies get paid first and get preferential access to new oil concessions ...

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So let's see how the Trump Administration proceeds when it discovers the limits on Venezuela's oil export proceeds -- and the reality that Venezuela will be cash constrained.

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More from @Brad_Setser

Jan 5
The appreciation of the yuan (against the dollar) in the second half of 2025 -- and particularly in December -- has attracted a bit of attention.

(h/t to @Mike_Weilandt for the chart)

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It isn't like the yuan's appreciation against the dollar has been particularly fast. But it has been steady. And a predictable no volatility appreciation that exceeds the loss from the rate differential is bound to get attention

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It will be interesting to see the numbers for fx settlement in December. The number of reports of activity in the market (dollar buying to limit appreciation) by state banks in say Bloomberg's fx coverage picked up in December.

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Jan 5
Saudi Arabia's q3 current account numbers are out, and they -- unsurprisingly -- showed an ongoing deficit.

My rough estimate for Saudi Arabia's current account break even (the oil price that results in external balance) continues to be over $90 a barrel

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A reminder -- the external break even is calculating using reported oil export revenues, the non-oil current account, and net exports (my numbers there are dependent on getting regular updates from @Rory_Johnston )

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@Rory_Johnston i.e. Saudi Arabia needs $250 billion a year in export receipts from oil to balance its current account -- and that is much more than it gets with oil at ~ $60 a barrel

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Jan 2
Interesting comments from South Korea's Rhee (central bank governor). Seems like there is a level of the won that is too weak even for Korea ...

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Rhee also emphasized the foreign exchange implications of Korea's investment pledge (part of its "deal" with Lutnick and Trump). Rhee "vowed to oppose any US investment decisions that could threaten the stability of the foreign-exchange market"

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I share Governor Rhee's misgivings -- explicitly relying on Korea (and Japan and perhaps Taiwan) to finance investment in the US -- if it actually happens (incentives aren't well aligned) likely implies accepting continued trade imbalances ...

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Jan 2
Second Peter's comment. Xi is not for turning. The question is how China's trading partners -- not just the US -- react. Suspect France and Germany will set the direction of policy in 2026 ...

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China's top leadership seems convinced that there is a "fortress" in one country global equilibrium -- where China exports (and controls key supply chains) but doesn't import (at least not much beyond oil and iron)

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But I am a bit skeptical that a China that doesn't import yet continues to export is a sustainable equilibrium, politically or economically.

Note that a constant 1 to 1.5 pp net export contribution implies an ever widening trade surplus



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Jan 1
Let me draw out one point in China's q3 balance of payments (a rather subtle one) -- namely the large sales of Chinese bonds by foreign investors in q3.

(the red bar in the graph)

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This is a reversal of inflows from back in 2023 ... and as my earlier thread notes, I think the change in direction factors into the reported current account surplus (even though it should not technically) given China's error minimization formula post 2022 ...

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And why was there a change in direction in these flows? The answer in part is tied to the pressure on the CNY-USD swap market -- and thus to backdoor state bank currency management ... see this September Bloomberg story

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Dec 31, 2025
As always, China's detailed balance of payments data is worth parsing -- in part because China's surplus is big ($800b annualized in q3) and in part because the financial account confuses most of the world (China isn't adding to its reserves anymore) ...

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Let's start with the current account -- $200b or so in q3. That is still a bit smaller than it should be. But it is has jumped from an implausibly low $50b a quarter in late 23 and early 24 to a number that is much closer to reality.

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With China's new current account methodology (introduced in calendar 2022) there isn't a stable relationship between the reported customs surplus and what shows up in the BoP, as this chart of the "gap" shows --

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