I have stirred up a hornets nest. lol. Much to write in the coming days.
But it’s important to note this thread confirms I was not exaggerating the SBC’s claim. As a Baptist, you’re being asked to accept that if you cooperate with the SBC, its leaders can lie about local pastors and members, and decide to give no justice.
Indeed, it can lie about the justice it would give you.
You can’t even contract for them to not defame you. This is a long way from “no law…prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”
My basic position is that Baptist cooperation is internecine cooperation. When different churches cooperate, they do not yield to the impositions of the other, other than by normal human agreements (contract).
The SBC is imposing legal disabilities on members of cooperating bodies, solely by a claimed implication. The law can’t give them that right, without violating the establishment clause.
Of course, these powers were a matter of great debate in Baptist history. And it was settled by 1928 that NAMB should never “allocate funds or to divert funds from any object included in a state budget.”
I take it that current leaders think it’s better to ask forgiveness than ask permission to bulldoze the monuments.
Even more explicitly, the SBC’s assertion here is inconsistent with its former statements on local churches. It is denying Garner his own rights of autonomy and self-determination.
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At 3.05%, it takes about 33 givers to have one average income - nationally, that’s about $60k.
But normally two thirds of the budget goes to other things. So you need closer to 100 givers to hit $60k.
The average SBC pastor makes $78k. So, that pushes you closer to 125 wage earning givers.
If you go to seminary, even with the SBC’s subsidized rates, you’re looking at $30k in tuition, books, and fees for an MDiv.
If you financed that and paid it off over 20 years, it’d take 4-6 additional, giving adults to pay it off.
So, you’re looking at a church closer to 130 giving adults.
Of course, not everybody at church is a donating adult — kids probably don’t work or donate. Retirees might give, but probably at a smaller rate. Figure 30% nongivers, and now you’re at 185 people to support a typical SBC pastor.
Our old friends at the Evangelical Immigration Table are still trying to buy the SBC's voice.
EIT-member World Relief just hired Lifeway to conduct a biased survey for SBC consumption, claiming "Protestant pastors" overwhelmingly support open immigration policies.
Start with who paid for it. World Relief — a member of the Evangelical Immigration Table, which has spent years lobbying evangelical institutions toward open-borders immigration policy — sponsored this survey and hired Lifeway to conduct it.
Lifeway's sampling is credible, I guess, but that doesn't make the sponsor's methodology neutral! It's incredibly biased toward WR's priors.
Start with the sample. Lifeway surveyed 667 "American Protestant pastors."
The crosstabs — buried after the headlines — reveal that roughly 36% of the weighted sample is mainline pastors. United Methodists. Presbyterians (USA). ELCA Lutherans.
Mainline pastors support increasing legal immigration at 2x the rate of evangelical pastors. 3x as likely to call refugees a top-three global priority. 5x as likely to oppose foreign assistance cuts.
So Baptist Press is covering a survey that has very little to do with SBC or "evangelical" opinion.
A quick word on the ERLC news: in my opinion, Brent should have been shown the door when he used ERLC staff to further his private interests in the Covenant manifesto litigation.
This was a conflict of interest and abuse of authority.
Last Fall, in response to my prior criticisms, the board voted to *affirm* that the ERLC’s EC has vast power.
The full board only needs to vote on 8 things, many of which never happen.
The EC now has the power to remove the CEO. It even has power to overrule the full board.
But the makeup of the EC is clearly influenced by the CEO.
These are the CEO’s friends; the last people you would expect to vote him out. So things must have been bad to get to this point.
1. Recommendation 1 is a mess. "Affirm the objectives in this report" - The addendum? Supplement 1? The creation of Ministrycheck at ARC?
If they want messengers' opinions (a backdoor resolution) on 3 goals, that's different than affirming all objectives in the report.
The report itself states contradictory objectives. In some places, they ask for one hub in the SBC. But they don't want to jettison ARC yet, so maybe it's two hubs?
Keith interprets Supplement 1 to be the map for ARC. But Supp. 1 doesn't say ARC, and has no database staff.
In the 80s, the SBC’s “DC” work was performed by the Baptist Joint Committee. BJC was run by nine Baptist denominations, but mostly funded by the SBC. It was led by attorney James Dunn.
The BJC/SBC relationship blew up in 1987, after several years of conservative disgust. A key issue was Dunn’s membership on the board of People for the American Way.