π§΅2026.04.15 - Pam Hemphill Space
Title: DOJ moves to dismiss J6 convictions as if they never happened.
PamHemphill79 (04:10): Good evening, Marine.
Marine4America (04:12): Evening, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (04:14): It seems like nobody comes in until you pop in.
Marine4America (04:18): No, they're listening in the walls for now. So, hey, sorry about nodding off in that last one. We were on our way to winding down and I was already beat, and then next thing I know, I wake up, it's like an hour, hour and a half later and still going. And I have no idea what the hell's happening.
PamHemphill79 (04:44): I would've done it too.
Marine4America (04:47): I get
PamHemphill79 (04:48): It.
Marine4America (04:48): I'm giving myself a heart out by 1:00 AM tonight, but
PamHemphill79 (04:53): Oh no, let's try to keep it under that. We don't need to be up that late.
Marine4America (04:59): I mean, I'm up a lot of the time anyway, but I have been working a lot these past couple weeks too. I've been juggling a lot, man. Things kind of went off when I fell asleep because I am seeing some shit all over the place.
PamHemphill79 (05:18): I
Marine4America (05:18): Dunno.
PamHemphill79 (05:18): Yeah, it's crazy. Well, I got the clip. I don't know if you saw. Yeah, you did. You read about the tricks they used when we're trying to debate with them or talk with them?
Marine4America (05:30): Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (05:32): Is there a way you could play that when enough people come in?
Marine4America (05:40): I can try. I don't know how,
PamHemphill79 (05:41): It's not very long.
Marine4America (05:42): Yeah, it's not. I can try.
PamHemphill79 (05:45): Do you have a computer next to you?
Marine4America (05:47): I do. Lemme see.
PamHemphill79 (05:51): I mean those, he calls 'em tricks. I call 'em tactics, but they fit so good. I mean, I was like, oh my God, I know this, but I didn't know how to put it the way he was putting it because Exactly. I think a
Marine4America (06:05): Lot of you get tripped up.
PamHemphill79 (06:08): We see them doing that every time they come in here.
Marine4America (06:19): I'm trying to find it. Hang on. Yeah, there's this whole situation with Sandy that I was not even aware of until after I looked back on the space. So I just think maybe it's best if, I mean, I don't really want to stick my nose in people's real lives like that too deeply, so I'd be careful with
PamHemphill79 (06:50): Yeah, me too.
Marine4America (06:51): I think we should stick with the January 6th stuff. That's what we know best. Hey,
PamHemphill79 (06:58): Exactly.
Marine4America (07:00): Let me find this. Oh, you posted it, right?
PamHemphill79 (07:05): Yeah. Let's see. Should I put it in the blue bubble
Marine4America (07:10): Bubble? Yeah. You go ahead and do that, I think. Oh, I got it here. Oh, yeah. Shared a couple of them. The five cult debate tactics they use. Yeah,
PamHemphill79 (07:33): That's it.
Marine4America (07:35): This guy's got a goofy thumbnail. Six minutes long.
PamHemphill79 (07:39): I've got the list. The strawman, what abouts it? What about him? But what about, what is, what's that other one called
Marine4America (07:51): At homan?
PamHemphill79 (07:53): At homan? Slippery slopes. Policy burden of proof flip.
Marine4America (08:01): So these are pretty common things that it's rhetoric and everybody kind of employs these things and that's what makes some people so dangerous. The kind of thing that where when somebody says, oh, both sides do that. They're kind of right. These are things that you would find. And even in a debate club, you go over 'em like ad hominem, and a lot of times you'll hear somebody say, what I say is an ad hominem when I call them stupid. And there's a difference between an ad homonym and just insulting somebody. What I'll often do is I'll just insult somebody and then I would love to sit down and explain exactly why their argument is stupid. There's a difference between that and just trying to substitute and say, no, your argument is wrong because you're stupid. And that's the difference. There's all kinds of tricks. And Ryan seems to have studied the fucking fallacy. He's got the cheat sheet on command, so every time he's up here, and that's why I kind of trample over him. I think it's disgusting. I really do think these people are traitors and the way they just kind of have this decentralized system of sending it up the chain, the propaganda chain, and they are rewarded for it. So I mean, what can we do to fight that? I have no idea, but can pointed out,
PamHemphill79 (09:34): Just keep putting out the facts. It doesn't matter.
Marine4America (09:41): That's true.
PamHemphill79 (09:42): I mean, people know. I think they know. Yeah. Do you hear this? You can't change people. You're not going to change. It's not going to
Marine4America (09:54): Happen. No. That's when you try to lead by example. And I realize I don't lead by example when I'm in here. I am on the attack, but you
PamHemphill79 (10:06): All disinformation, you call it what it is. That's not factual.
Marine4America (10:12): Some stuff needs to be attacked like that. When people like Brian are saying, oh, it's a good thing that we cut all of cancer research because of some random thing from 2015. It's like, what the fuck does that even mean? And now we're arguing over some bullshit. It's gotten so far away from us. It's like, well, cancer research has gone so fuck.
PamHemphill79 (10:36): Yeah, that was ridiculous. And the bombing on the schools in Iran, that was ridiculous.
Marine4America (10:43): And they'll nitpick because what I just said, how cancer research being gone, they'll say, well, technically it's not gone because they'll point to some trace remnants and they'll say, technically the school wasn't bombed because the target wasn't the school. It was the shrapnel that killed the children. So they split hairs at these things and say, aha, we got you. You were wrong. But they missed the point where we're like, well, are we in a fucking word? What is happening? Nobody knows what's happening. And this constant sane washing of bullshit is so tired. People are tired of it.
PamHemphill79 (11:20): I know. I'm getting so burned out with this, been in it as long as I have and a lot of you and a of others, but I think it's okay. We got to take a break sometimes and just take care of ourselves. Try not to get caught up in resentments. And yeah,
Marine4America (11:41): That's why with Portland, I'm honestly thinking all these anti-ice people, Hey, I'm all for your first amendment. I'll support that all day, but don't get in the way of a good thing because they're shooting themselves in the foot right now. I think. I don't know. That's again, I don't want to put my nose where it doesn't belong, but the throwing of the dildos, I'll point that out. It's like that does nothing. And it just, people laugh at it and they don't take anything seriously and it just gives the worst kind of people more grounds to start stupid shit. And then that puts that propaganda magnifying glass on it. And that's the game right now. The game right now I think should be keep your head down because they're tripping over themselves.
PamHemphill79 (12:28): What brought the most publicity, and I think everybody was really behind it, was when the frogs started.
Marine4America (12:41): And I think that was a good move at the time because it did show that first bit of protesting. It's like, well, they are goofy. They're not trying to overrun the government here. No one is going to take them seriously. And that's kind of the strength of a peaceful protest, right? They are goofy. And of course they're going to take the bait and be like, oh, look at these people. Look at how unserious these people are because easy bait. But it's like, well, that is the right to be stupid and cringey and be loud against the government, even if it's a little misguided that a lot of it's not. Same with January 6th vindication on that shit. Oh, why do you bring that up all the time? Why do you bring that up all the time? Because fucking because look at that. Our government is now pushing to clear people of sedition, which is as close to treason as you could possibly fucking get. Yeah,
PamHemphill79 (13:51): Exactly.
Marine4America (13:53): No, there's no both sides here.
PamHemphill79 (13:57): Well, it needs the whole army out. Oath keepers and rest of those proud boys, of course, stand back, stand by.
Marine4America (14:07): They made shirts of that immediately after you said that.
PamHemphill79 (14:10): They did. That's right. Yeah.
Marine4America (14:18): I was looking more into this because I was ringing Enrique Tarrio's Bell a lot, and I'm like, you know what? I need to go deeper and read the indictments for myself because I have skimmed the shit before. But if I am going to be punching up at him in these spaces, I should read a little more and see what these cases are. And Jesus fucking Christ, these people belong to. They deserve to. They should be in jail. They should still be in jail. Fuck. Sorry, Pam, but
PamHemphill79 (14:58): Oh no, don't apologize to me. I agree with you.
Marine4America (15:01): I get a lot of people were misled but disgusting. What we allow now, the fact that we okayed the shit.
PamHemphill79 (15:15): We got a J six who trying to run for governor in South Carolina, and somebody called me and tell me about the interview he had with him, and they want me to come on their show because he says, we got to have somebody sharing the facts about January 6th because all we're getting is this propaganda and lies. Can you imagine? They're running for governors one in Portland too, and you look at their criminal arrest, what it was. Oh my God, it's so scary.
Marine4America (15:50): Yeah. The real gang now is to just legitimize themselves.
PamHemphill79 (15:58): I think that back, it's not governor of South Carolina, it's House of Reserv representatives. Yeah,
Marine4America (16:05): House reps.
Marine4America (16:13): My fucking MAGA coworker, her name is actually Karen, even Trump during Trump won, where it was kind of fun for her to be like, oh, he's just trolling. He's just trolling. And by the first week of working there, I was like, yeah, this is kind of bullshit. And she's like, I'll come out here, snowflake. I was like, what the fuck? You don't even know me. It's pretty wild. And that just set the tone for our entire working relationship and things were better during the Biden years because we could make fun of him together. That was fun. And then now Trump too, and January 6th, really. I mean, that was messed up, but afterwards I was like, all right, she's not budgeting on this and she doesn't want to talk about it anymore. So I just joined in and we were like, all right, well, at least we can punch up together, Biden together, because bullshit's bullshit. It is what it is. And then Trump too happened, and now she doesn't want to talk about anything ever. And fucking after the tariffs we're in shipping and business has been fucked. Everything's fucked. And she just looks at me like, wow, things are slow. Huh? Wow. I'm like, yeah, you think, what do you think is happening? She's like, I don't know. I'm like, yeah, you don't know. All right. Looking ridiculous.
PamHemphill79 (17:44): Put your head in the same,
Marine4America (17:46): Nothing's
PamHemphill79 (17:46): Happening. It's okay.
Marine4America (17:51): She fucking bought her house in 1970, whatever, got married whenever she checked out of life after that.
PamHemphill79 (18:01): We talking about again, who are you talking about?
Marine4America (18:03): My coworker Karen. And she's just like, I think she just represents a lot of MAGA coworkers across America, to be honest.
PamHemphill79 (18:20): Yeah. Yep. They're just watching the Fox News,
Marine4America (18:27): And that's the thing, I can't even bring it up. I wonder what she's thinking now because I know she loved Tucker Carlson just a few years ago, and she followed this whole track, but now all these people are ostracized from MAGA as well, so I have no idea. That's the thing. She doesn't want to talk about any of it, so it's too uncomfortable. She hedged way too much with all these figures, and they're all just fallen by the wayside.
PamHemphill79 (18:56): Yeah. Well, Trump's created it. I hope people do study what they're talking about, those tricks that they use trying to talk to you. Oh my God, they use them in here for sure. Trying to race what happened on January 6th by getting rid of these convict. Oh my God. They're just rewriting history, right? God, this would empower 'em to think they could do whatever they want now. It's scary.
Marine4America (19:45): I mean, though, they're getting in their own way. I think even with this God attorney general wine mom, what's her name? She's the one who moved to dismiss a lot of the convictions, right? Is that what happened?
PamHemphill79 (20:02): Oh yeah. Yes, yes.
Marine4America (20:03): Yeah. Yeah. Wine mom, attorney general wine mom. She just seems like always wine drunk to me. I don't know. That's what I always called her.
PamHemphill79 (20:15): I'm a little confused. So what's going to happen? It hasn't actually happened yet, or does it have to go?
Marine4America (20:21): They motion for it. Lemme look it up also. Lemme do a sound check. Can you hear this, Pam?
PamHemphill79 (20:26): Yeah, I hear you will.
Marine4America (20:28): No, no way. They do. I decided to do some research on the methods. The cult is to argue against facts, logic, and
PamHemphill79 (20:38): Once
Title: DOJ moves to dismiss J6 convictions as if they never happened.
PamHemphill79 (04:10): Good evening, Marine.
Marine4America (04:12): Evening, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (04:14): It seems like nobody comes in until you pop in.
Marine4America (04:18): No, they're listening in the walls for now. So, hey, sorry about nodding off in that last one. We were on our way to winding down and I was already beat, and then next thing I know, I wake up, it's like an hour, hour and a half later and still going. And I have no idea what the hell's happening.
PamHemphill79 (04:44): I would've done it too.
Marine4America (04:47): I get
PamHemphill79 (04:48): It.
Marine4America (04:48): I'm giving myself a heart out by 1:00 AM tonight, but
PamHemphill79 (04:53): Oh no, let's try to keep it under that. We don't need to be up that late.
Marine4America (04:59): I mean, I'm up a lot of the time anyway, but I have been working a lot these past couple weeks too. I've been juggling a lot, man. Things kind of went off when I fell asleep because I am seeing some shit all over the place.
PamHemphill79 (05:18): I
Marine4America (05:18): Dunno.
PamHemphill79 (05:18): Yeah, it's crazy. Well, I got the clip. I don't know if you saw. Yeah, you did. You read about the tricks they used when we're trying to debate with them or talk with them?
Marine4America (05:30): Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (05:32): Is there a way you could play that when enough people come in?
Marine4America (05:40): I can try. I don't know how,
PamHemphill79 (05:41): It's not very long.
Marine4America (05:42): Yeah, it's not. I can try.
PamHemphill79 (05:45): Do you have a computer next to you?
Marine4America (05:47): I do. Lemme see.
PamHemphill79 (05:51): I mean those, he calls 'em tricks. I call 'em tactics, but they fit so good. I mean, I was like, oh my God, I know this, but I didn't know how to put it the way he was putting it because Exactly. I think a
Marine4America (06:05): Lot of you get tripped up.
PamHemphill79 (06:08): We see them doing that every time they come in here.
Marine4America (06:19): I'm trying to find it. Hang on. Yeah, there's this whole situation with Sandy that I was not even aware of until after I looked back on the space. So I just think maybe it's best if, I mean, I don't really want to stick my nose in people's real lives like that too deeply, so I'd be careful with
PamHemphill79 (06:50): Yeah, me too.
Marine4America (06:51): I think we should stick with the January 6th stuff. That's what we know best. Hey,
PamHemphill79 (06:58): Exactly.
Marine4America (07:00): Let me find this. Oh, you posted it, right?
PamHemphill79 (07:05): Yeah. Let's see. Should I put it in the blue bubble
Marine4America (07:10): Bubble? Yeah. You go ahead and do that, I think. Oh, I got it here. Oh, yeah. Shared a couple of them. The five cult debate tactics they use. Yeah,
PamHemphill79 (07:33): That's it.
Marine4America (07:35): This guy's got a goofy thumbnail. Six minutes long.
PamHemphill79 (07:39): I've got the list. The strawman, what abouts it? What about him? But what about, what is, what's that other one called
Marine4America (07:51): At homan?
PamHemphill79 (07:53): At homan? Slippery slopes. Policy burden of proof flip.
Marine4America (08:01): So these are pretty common things that it's rhetoric and everybody kind of employs these things and that's what makes some people so dangerous. The kind of thing that where when somebody says, oh, both sides do that. They're kind of right. These are things that you would find. And even in a debate club, you go over 'em like ad hominem, and a lot of times you'll hear somebody say, what I say is an ad hominem when I call them stupid. And there's a difference between an ad homonym and just insulting somebody. What I'll often do is I'll just insult somebody and then I would love to sit down and explain exactly why their argument is stupid. There's a difference between that and just trying to substitute and say, no, your argument is wrong because you're stupid. And that's the difference. There's all kinds of tricks. And Ryan seems to have studied the fucking fallacy. He's got the cheat sheet on command, so every time he's up here, and that's why I kind of trample over him. I think it's disgusting. I really do think these people are traitors and the way they just kind of have this decentralized system of sending it up the chain, the propaganda chain, and they are rewarded for it. So I mean, what can we do to fight that? I have no idea, but can pointed out,
PamHemphill79 (09:34): Just keep putting out the facts. It doesn't matter.
Marine4America (09:41): That's true.
PamHemphill79 (09:42): I mean, people know. I think they know. Yeah. Do you hear this? You can't change people. You're not going to change. It's not going to
Marine4America (09:54): Happen. No. That's when you try to lead by example. And I realize I don't lead by example when I'm in here. I am on the attack, but you
PamHemphill79 (10:06): All disinformation, you call it what it is. That's not factual.
Marine4America (10:12): Some stuff needs to be attacked like that. When people like Brian are saying, oh, it's a good thing that we cut all of cancer research because of some random thing from 2015. It's like, what the fuck does that even mean? And now we're arguing over some bullshit. It's gotten so far away from us. It's like, well, cancer research has gone so fuck.
PamHemphill79 (10:36): Yeah, that was ridiculous. And the bombing on the schools in Iran, that was ridiculous.
Marine4America (10:43): And they'll nitpick because what I just said, how cancer research being gone, they'll say, well, technically it's not gone because they'll point to some trace remnants and they'll say, technically the school wasn't bombed because the target wasn't the school. It was the shrapnel that killed the children. So they split hairs at these things and say, aha, we got you. You were wrong. But they missed the point where we're like, well, are we in a fucking word? What is happening? Nobody knows what's happening. And this constant sane washing of bullshit is so tired. People are tired of it.
PamHemphill79 (11:20): I know. I'm getting so burned out with this, been in it as long as I have and a lot of you and a of others, but I think it's okay. We got to take a break sometimes and just take care of ourselves. Try not to get caught up in resentments. And yeah,
Marine4America (11:41): That's why with Portland, I'm honestly thinking all these anti-ice people, Hey, I'm all for your first amendment. I'll support that all day, but don't get in the way of a good thing because they're shooting themselves in the foot right now. I think. I don't know. That's again, I don't want to put my nose where it doesn't belong, but the throwing of the dildos, I'll point that out. It's like that does nothing. And it just, people laugh at it and they don't take anything seriously and it just gives the worst kind of people more grounds to start stupid shit. And then that puts that propaganda magnifying glass on it. And that's the game right now. The game right now I think should be keep your head down because they're tripping over themselves.
PamHemphill79 (12:28): What brought the most publicity, and I think everybody was really behind it, was when the frogs started.
Marine4America (12:41): And I think that was a good move at the time because it did show that first bit of protesting. It's like, well, they are goofy. They're not trying to overrun the government here. No one is going to take them seriously. And that's kind of the strength of a peaceful protest, right? They are goofy. And of course they're going to take the bait and be like, oh, look at these people. Look at how unserious these people are because easy bait. But it's like, well, that is the right to be stupid and cringey and be loud against the government, even if it's a little misguided that a lot of it's not. Same with January 6th vindication on that shit. Oh, why do you bring that up all the time? Why do you bring that up all the time? Because fucking because look at that. Our government is now pushing to clear people of sedition, which is as close to treason as you could possibly fucking get. Yeah,
PamHemphill79 (13:51): Exactly.
Marine4America (13:53): No, there's no both sides here.
PamHemphill79 (13:57): Well, it needs the whole army out. Oath keepers and rest of those proud boys, of course, stand back, stand by.
Marine4America (14:07): They made shirts of that immediately after you said that.
PamHemphill79 (14:10): They did. That's right. Yeah.
Marine4America (14:18): I was looking more into this because I was ringing Enrique Tarrio's Bell a lot, and I'm like, you know what? I need to go deeper and read the indictments for myself because I have skimmed the shit before. But if I am going to be punching up at him in these spaces, I should read a little more and see what these cases are. And Jesus fucking Christ, these people belong to. They deserve to. They should be in jail. They should still be in jail. Fuck. Sorry, Pam, but
PamHemphill79 (14:58): Oh no, don't apologize to me. I agree with you.
Marine4America (15:01): I get a lot of people were misled but disgusting. What we allow now, the fact that we okayed the shit.
PamHemphill79 (15:15): We got a J six who trying to run for governor in South Carolina, and somebody called me and tell me about the interview he had with him, and they want me to come on their show because he says, we got to have somebody sharing the facts about January 6th because all we're getting is this propaganda and lies. Can you imagine? They're running for governors one in Portland too, and you look at their criminal arrest, what it was. Oh my God, it's so scary.
Marine4America (15:50): Yeah. The real gang now is to just legitimize themselves.
PamHemphill79 (15:58): I think that back, it's not governor of South Carolina, it's House of Reserv representatives. Yeah,
Marine4America (16:05): House reps.
Marine4America (16:13): My fucking MAGA coworker, her name is actually Karen, even Trump during Trump won, where it was kind of fun for her to be like, oh, he's just trolling. He's just trolling. And by the first week of working there, I was like, yeah, this is kind of bullshit. And she's like, I'll come out here, snowflake. I was like, what the fuck? You don't even know me. It's pretty wild. And that just set the tone for our entire working relationship and things were better during the Biden years because we could make fun of him together. That was fun. And then now Trump too, and January 6th, really. I mean, that was messed up, but afterwards I was like, all right, she's not budgeting on this and she doesn't want to talk about it anymore. So I just joined in and we were like, all right, well, at least we can punch up together, Biden together, because bullshit's bullshit. It is what it is. And then Trump too happened, and now she doesn't want to talk about anything ever. And fucking after the tariffs we're in shipping and business has been fucked. Everything's fucked. And she just looks at me like, wow, things are slow. Huh? Wow. I'm like, yeah, you think, what do you think is happening? She's like, I don't know. I'm like, yeah, you don't know. All right. Looking ridiculous.
PamHemphill79 (17:44): Put your head in the same,
Marine4America (17:46): Nothing's
PamHemphill79 (17:46): Happening. It's okay.
Marine4America (17:51): She fucking bought her house in 1970, whatever, got married whenever she checked out of life after that.
PamHemphill79 (18:01): We talking about again, who are you talking about?
Marine4America (18:03): My coworker Karen. And she's just like, I think she just represents a lot of MAGA coworkers across America, to be honest.
PamHemphill79 (18:20): Yeah. Yep. They're just watching the Fox News,
Marine4America (18:27): And that's the thing, I can't even bring it up. I wonder what she's thinking now because I know she loved Tucker Carlson just a few years ago, and she followed this whole track, but now all these people are ostracized from MAGA as well, so I have no idea. That's the thing. She doesn't want to talk about any of it, so it's too uncomfortable. She hedged way too much with all these figures, and they're all just fallen by the wayside.
PamHemphill79 (18:56): Yeah. Well, Trump's created it. I hope people do study what they're talking about, those tricks that they use trying to talk to you. Oh my God, they use them in here for sure. Trying to race what happened on January 6th by getting rid of these convict. Oh my God. They're just rewriting history, right? God, this would empower 'em to think they could do whatever they want now. It's scary.
Marine4America (19:45): I mean, though, they're getting in their own way. I think even with this God attorney general wine mom, what's her name? She's the one who moved to dismiss a lot of the convictions, right? Is that what happened?
PamHemphill79 (20:02): Oh yeah. Yes, yes.
Marine4America (20:03): Yeah. Yeah. Wine mom, attorney general wine mom. She just seems like always wine drunk to me. I don't know. That's what I always called her.
PamHemphill79 (20:15): I'm a little confused. So what's going to happen? It hasn't actually happened yet, or does it have to go?
Marine4America (20:21): They motion for it. Lemme look it up also. Lemme do a sound check. Can you hear this, Pam?
PamHemphill79 (20:26): Yeah, I hear you will.
Marine4America (20:28): No, no way. They do. I decided to do some research on the methods. The cult is to argue against facts, logic, and
PamHemphill79 (20:38): Once
Recording (20:39): A little bit louder, lose all their power in every conversation you have in the future. Here are the five tricks the Trump cult uses to try and exhaust you and make sure a real argument. Argument never happens. One, the
PamHemphill79 (20:49): Strawman stop
Recording (20:53): Says, paid America and want to see it destroyed. You never said that. How about that? But now you're defending your patriotism instead of talking about war, the original point is completely forgotten. And then they're nodding like they won the conversation. They argue against something you never said. This is called the strawman vacy. They take your actual argument, replace it with something dumber and scarier, and argue against that fake version. Instead, in 1960, psychologist Peter Wasson at the University College of London found that the brain does not look for truth. It looks for the fastest way to protect what it already believes. So their brain is not asking if you are right, their brain is asking how to make you look wrong. You're questioning the Iran war, you're siding with the enemy, bring up Trump's criminal conviction. You have TDS ask about deportations, the foreign prisons, and they'll claim you want open borders. They never argued with what anyone actually says. They just try to make sure that your argument never gets heard. Two, what bism you bring up. Trump firing his attorney general. They say, what about Hillary's emails? You mentioned that Iran War started without Congress. They say, what about Biden? They never answer a single question because they know they can't answer it. This is called What about is? We are all very familiar with this one. Instead of responding to your point, they drag a completely different issue into the conversation to make you forget what you were talking about. Psychologist Daniel Kahneman at Princeton University found that the brain can only track a limited number of ideas at the same time. The moment someone introduces a second problem, your brain splits its attention. No.
Marine4America (22:10): Okay, so can you hear all that, Pam?
PamHemphill79 (22:15): Yeah.
Marine4America (22:15): Okay.
PamHemphill79 (22:16): We could just talk. That happens all the time.
Marine4America (22:18): Yeah. So what he just said right there about splitting their attention. So we see that a lot with the Epstein files. We're like, at the bare minimum, we should just investigate who's mentioned, who's involved the most, and they'll say, well, why didn't Biden investigate during his years? I'm like, truly, maybe I wasn't prepared to fucking answer that. That throws me off. They're like, aha, that they had trounce on that. Now we forgot the whole question. Why aren't the people in power right now investigating? That's the trick. I'll move on. I'll move on.
PamHemphill79 (22:56): And you have to be knowledge. Oh,
Marine4America (22:58): Go on.
PamHemphill79 (22:58): Knowledgeable. You have to be knowledgeable too. Why? And some people aren't. I'm not knowledgeable. I don't know everything. Of course, I know the answer to that one because they couldn't. But you know what I'm saying? We don't always know the information and they're hoping that we don't.
Marine4America (23:20): That's what I mean. Normal people aren't prepared to fucking debate suit and tie Rhein with his little profile picture. You know what I mean? Most people aren't actually prepared to answer that. A lot of the people who go to even something as tepid as a no King's protest, they're just there to express like, Hey, I disagree with how things are going. And that's really it. And when some idiot with a microphone who claims to be a journalist goes, excuse me. Excuse me. What policy do you actually disagree with? And they're like, oh, I don't know. And they're like, ah. They can't even answer these crazy leftists. They don't even know what they're protesting. We have no king. And then they just, that's the strawman. They use these unprepared people as living straw men and they've manufactured an entire industry out of it.
PamHemphill79 (24:05): Yeah, what you're talking about is on this video. So
Marine4America (24:09): Yeah, I'll move on.
PamHemphill79 (24:10): Charlie Cook? Yeah.
Marine4America (24:12): Oh yeah. Here we go. So he says, here we go.
Recording (24:15): The moment someone introduces a second problem, your brain splits its attention. Now, if you add a third and a fourth problem, your brain can't keep up and loses the original thread they use. What about him to exploit the brain's weakness on purpose? They do this because they saw other people do it and it worked. It's not like they have some grand plan or anything. Every time they say, what about they're not making a point, they're running away from yours. What about him is not a defense? It's a weak person's confession that they have no argument. Three ad homan attack. You say Trump is breaking the law. They say you have Trump derangement syndrome and you hate America. Trump is still breaking the law. But now the conversation is about whether you are crazy instead of what Trump actually did. This is called an ad homan attack. To put it plainly, they're just insulting you instead of answering any questions, the goal is to destroy your credibility before your argument even gets evaluated. Psychologist Robert Cialdini at Arizona University found that people do not evaluate arguments in a vacuum. We decide whether to listen based on who is talking. Ad hominin makes the audience question whether you are even worth listening to before they engage with what you said. When they cannot argue facts, they come after you instead. And the moment you start defending yourself, the argument is over and they win. For the slippery slope fallacy, you say, the government should not be able to deport American citizens without due process. They say you want to let criminals pour into the country. You said nothing about criminals, but now everyone is arguing about something you never brought up. This is called the slippery slope fallacy. They take one reasonable idea and claim it will automatically lead to the most extreme outcome imaginable. No evidence, no logical steps. They're just creating fear.
Marine4America (25:41): They see that a lot with, like I say, there's lots of general reasons somebody might be protesting. Even somebody might be protesting against ice, depending on how local you're getting, there might genuinely be a case where somebody's rights were violated in some way and that can't be shown until after they actually get their day in court, which takes time. So they're just advocating for that person. George Ttes. There's a couple people I know it's not like rampant, but there's lots of genuine reasons why somebody might be objecting to how things are being handled, and they will jump on you like, well, why do you want to protect illegals? And that's not what I fucking said.
PamHemphill79 (26:27): Exactly. And that's not why we're protesting ice either. It's the behavior of ice. What we're they acting like Estoppels instead of the ice that we knew in the past.
Marine4America (26:39): Yeah, that's what I mean. There's just lots of general reasons and people are going to have to account for that because it's starting to add up. And people with even more common sense are seeing that too. And people with one fucking brain cell like Tommy can't get it. So they're like, why
Recording (26:58): Do you want to protect illegals? Why do you want to protect illegals?
Marine4America (27:03): So you don't know what you're talking about. Okay, I don't think you've, all right. Nevermind. Let's see what else to discuss. This
Recording (27:12): Psychologist, Paul Ekman at the University of California San Francisco found that fear overrides rational thinking faster than any other emotion. Once your brain perceives a threat, it stops evaluating evidence and starts looking for an exit. The slippery slope is designed to trigger the fear response before your brain can ask whether the threat is even real scare people enough, and they stop thinking. And people who stop thinking are easy to control, just ask Fox News. Newsmax five, the burden of proof flip. Charlie Kirk built his entire career on this trick. He would show up to college campuses, make wild claims with no evidence and demand that students disprove him on the spot. When students couldn't disprove him, Kirk declared victory and forced the student to give up the mic. He called it owning the libs. It was not a real debate. It was an ambush on unprepared kids. This is called the burden of proof. Flip. Person making the claim is always responsible for proving the claim, but Kirk and every conservative like him make wild claims with no evidence and then demand that you disprove those claims. Crazy, right? And here's why. You can never win. You show them a court ruling. They claim the judge is corrupt. You show them a study, the science is corrupt. You show them a news report, the outlet take news. Every piece of evidence, brain just gets added. The conspiracy,
Troll (28:18): Get her out of here.
PamHemphill79 (28:21): I got rid of him.
Marine4America (28:23): Oh, well, that's what it's down to now. It's just that
PamHemphill79 (28:30): What he was just sharing there. Isn't that so true? Oh my God. It happens
Marine4America (28:35): All
PamHemphill79 (28:35): The time when I'm down there.
Marine4America (28:38): What's your desire?
PamHemphill79 (28:40): Protests in Portland. People will walk away after they've talked to 'em and say, oh my God, my head's spinning. And mine would too, and I knew what was happening, but I didn't know how to point out the tactics. I know the tactics of the criminal mind, but they're very similar. But that's exactly, I can't believe it. I just identified with that one. A hundred percent.
Marine4America (29:04): Yeah. There's another minute left.
Recording (29:09): The outlet is fake news. Every piece of evidence you bring just gets added to the conspiracy. There's no evidence they'll accept, because accepting evidence was never part of the deal. Psychologist Daniel Kahneman found that once someone believes something, their brain treats every piece of supporting evidence as proof and every piece of contradicting evidence as part of the coverup or conspiracy. Kirk was never really debating anyone. He was running a scam in a real debate. The person making the claim has to prove their claim to be true. Kirk never proved anything. He just demanded you disprove him and called it a win when you couldn't. That is not a debate that is a weak scam and only worked on kids who are under 20 years old. Most of these people have no idea what they're actually saying. They saw it on TikTok or they heard it on Fox News. They repeated it to you and called it an argument. Actually trying to win a debate. They're trying to feel superior to someone they are secretly intimidated by. That is all owning the libs ever was deeply insecure. People using borrowed tricks to feel powerful for five minutes. Now that you know these tricks, you'll never have to fall for them again. They're what weak people use to try and trick smart people into arguing. When you're not smart enough to win a real argument, you kind of have to trick people.
Marine4America (30:10): Yeah, it's the best way to put it.
PamHemphill79 (30:15): Okay, go to the next one.
Marine4America (30:18): Which one was the next one? I'll
PamHemphill79 (30:20): Pull people up in a minute as soon as we're done with this video.
Marine4America (30:23): Which other one did you want?
PamHemphill79 (30:25): That wasn't the last, was it?
Marine4America (30:27): Oh yeah. No, that was the end of the video. It was only six minutes long.
PamHemphill79 (30:31): Oh, burden of proof flip. Okay.
Marine4America (30:33): Yeah, yeah. I had ho Homan burden of proof straw man.
Recording (30:44): Even worth slope fallacy. They take one
Marine4America (30:47): Slippery slope.
Recording (30:50): That's
PamHemphill79 (30:50): Why I want people to
Marine4America (30:51): Learn. I'll post this on the pill.
PamHemphill79 (30:55): Okay. I think it's important to learn this so you don't waste your time. I mean, if you want to have a conversation, they come in here and yell at me and call me names. That's not a conversation. Let's talk about Iran and what the hell's going on and what do you like about it or don't like about it. We don't have to agree, but go into personalities trying to got your moments. It is just a waste of our time.
Marine4America (31:26): Speaking of we have Guyer.
PamHemphill79 (31:30): Yeah. See if he'll be nice. Don't pull into your tactics. We are aware of 'em. We got your number.
Marine4America (31:42): Nick sorter types. It's okay. You're free to speak. It's just us. Oh, did it not go through
PamHemphill79 (32:02): Guy? I don't dunno if you're hearing us, but you're free to talk, but we'll wait until you put this hand up.
Marine4America (32:08): It might be a space thing. It still says there's a request and I don't see the request anymore. I tried to bring 'em up. Maybe try to do it if I invite them. Invite to speak spaces is weird. I think everybody needs a little bit of grace and patience with that.
PamHemphill79 (20:49): Strawman stop
Recording (20:53): Says, paid America and want to see it destroyed. You never said that. How about that? But now you're defending your patriotism instead of talking about war, the original point is completely forgotten. And then they're nodding like they won the conversation. They argue against something you never said. This is called the strawman vacy. They take your actual argument, replace it with something dumber and scarier, and argue against that fake version. Instead, in 1960, psychologist Peter Wasson at the University College of London found that the brain does not look for truth. It looks for the fastest way to protect what it already believes. So their brain is not asking if you are right, their brain is asking how to make you look wrong. You're questioning the Iran war, you're siding with the enemy, bring up Trump's criminal conviction. You have TDS ask about deportations, the foreign prisons, and they'll claim you want open borders. They never argued with what anyone actually says. They just try to make sure that your argument never gets heard. Two, what bism you bring up. Trump firing his attorney general. They say, what about Hillary's emails? You mentioned that Iran War started without Congress. They say, what about Biden? They never answer a single question because they know they can't answer it. This is called What about is? We are all very familiar with this one. Instead of responding to your point, they drag a completely different issue into the conversation to make you forget what you were talking about. Psychologist Daniel Kahneman at Princeton University found that the brain can only track a limited number of ideas at the same time. The moment someone introduces a second problem, your brain splits its attention. No.
Marine4America (22:10): Okay, so can you hear all that, Pam?
PamHemphill79 (22:15): Yeah.
Marine4America (22:15): Okay.
PamHemphill79 (22:16): We could just talk. That happens all the time.
Marine4America (22:18): Yeah. So what he just said right there about splitting their attention. So we see that a lot with the Epstein files. We're like, at the bare minimum, we should just investigate who's mentioned, who's involved the most, and they'll say, well, why didn't Biden investigate during his years? I'm like, truly, maybe I wasn't prepared to fucking answer that. That throws me off. They're like, aha, that they had trounce on that. Now we forgot the whole question. Why aren't the people in power right now investigating? That's the trick. I'll move on. I'll move on.
PamHemphill79 (22:56): And you have to be knowledge. Oh,
Marine4America (22:58): Go on.
PamHemphill79 (22:58): Knowledgeable. You have to be knowledgeable too. Why? And some people aren't. I'm not knowledgeable. I don't know everything. Of course, I know the answer to that one because they couldn't. But you know what I'm saying? We don't always know the information and they're hoping that we don't.
Marine4America (23:20): That's what I mean. Normal people aren't prepared to fucking debate suit and tie Rhein with his little profile picture. You know what I mean? Most people aren't actually prepared to answer that. A lot of the people who go to even something as tepid as a no King's protest, they're just there to express like, Hey, I disagree with how things are going. And that's really it. And when some idiot with a microphone who claims to be a journalist goes, excuse me. Excuse me. What policy do you actually disagree with? And they're like, oh, I don't know. And they're like, ah. They can't even answer these crazy leftists. They don't even know what they're protesting. We have no king. And then they just, that's the strawman. They use these unprepared people as living straw men and they've manufactured an entire industry out of it.
PamHemphill79 (24:05): Yeah, what you're talking about is on this video. So
Marine4America (24:09): Yeah, I'll move on.
PamHemphill79 (24:10): Charlie Cook? Yeah.
Marine4America (24:12): Oh yeah. Here we go. So he says, here we go.
Recording (24:15): The moment someone introduces a second problem, your brain splits its attention. Now, if you add a third and a fourth problem, your brain can't keep up and loses the original thread they use. What about him to exploit the brain's weakness on purpose? They do this because they saw other people do it and it worked. It's not like they have some grand plan or anything. Every time they say, what about they're not making a point, they're running away from yours. What about him is not a defense? It's a weak person's confession that they have no argument. Three ad homan attack. You say Trump is breaking the law. They say you have Trump derangement syndrome and you hate America. Trump is still breaking the law. But now the conversation is about whether you are crazy instead of what Trump actually did. This is called an ad homan attack. To put it plainly, they're just insulting you instead of answering any questions, the goal is to destroy your credibility before your argument even gets evaluated. Psychologist Robert Cialdini at Arizona University found that people do not evaluate arguments in a vacuum. We decide whether to listen based on who is talking. Ad hominin makes the audience question whether you are even worth listening to before they engage with what you said. When they cannot argue facts, they come after you instead. And the moment you start defending yourself, the argument is over and they win. For the slippery slope fallacy, you say, the government should not be able to deport American citizens without due process. They say you want to let criminals pour into the country. You said nothing about criminals, but now everyone is arguing about something you never brought up. This is called the slippery slope fallacy. They take one reasonable idea and claim it will automatically lead to the most extreme outcome imaginable. No evidence, no logical steps. They're just creating fear.
Marine4America (25:41): They see that a lot with, like I say, there's lots of general reasons somebody might be protesting. Even somebody might be protesting against ice, depending on how local you're getting, there might genuinely be a case where somebody's rights were violated in some way and that can't be shown until after they actually get their day in court, which takes time. So they're just advocating for that person. George Ttes. There's a couple people I know it's not like rampant, but there's lots of genuine reasons why somebody might be objecting to how things are being handled, and they will jump on you like, well, why do you want to protect illegals? And that's not what I fucking said.
PamHemphill79 (26:27): Exactly. And that's not why we're protesting ice either. It's the behavior of ice. What we're they acting like Estoppels instead of the ice that we knew in the past.
Marine4America (26:39): Yeah, that's what I mean. There's just lots of general reasons and people are going to have to account for that because it's starting to add up. And people with even more common sense are seeing that too. And people with one fucking brain cell like Tommy can't get it. So they're like, why
Recording (26:58): Do you want to protect illegals? Why do you want to protect illegals?
Marine4America (27:03): So you don't know what you're talking about. Okay, I don't think you've, all right. Nevermind. Let's see what else to discuss. This
Recording (27:12): Psychologist, Paul Ekman at the University of California San Francisco found that fear overrides rational thinking faster than any other emotion. Once your brain perceives a threat, it stops evaluating evidence and starts looking for an exit. The slippery slope is designed to trigger the fear response before your brain can ask whether the threat is even real scare people enough, and they stop thinking. And people who stop thinking are easy to control, just ask Fox News. Newsmax five, the burden of proof flip. Charlie Kirk built his entire career on this trick. He would show up to college campuses, make wild claims with no evidence and demand that students disprove him on the spot. When students couldn't disprove him, Kirk declared victory and forced the student to give up the mic. He called it owning the libs. It was not a real debate. It was an ambush on unprepared kids. This is called the burden of proof. Flip. Person making the claim is always responsible for proving the claim, but Kirk and every conservative like him make wild claims with no evidence and then demand that you disprove those claims. Crazy, right? And here's why. You can never win. You show them a court ruling. They claim the judge is corrupt. You show them a study, the science is corrupt. You show them a news report, the outlet take news. Every piece of evidence, brain just gets added. The conspiracy,
Troll (28:18): Get her out of here.
PamHemphill79 (28:21): I got rid of him.
Marine4America (28:23): Oh, well, that's what it's down to now. It's just that
PamHemphill79 (28:30): What he was just sharing there. Isn't that so true? Oh my God. It happens
Marine4America (28:35): All
PamHemphill79 (28:35): The time when I'm down there.
Marine4America (28:38): What's your desire?
PamHemphill79 (28:40): Protests in Portland. People will walk away after they've talked to 'em and say, oh my God, my head's spinning. And mine would too, and I knew what was happening, but I didn't know how to point out the tactics. I know the tactics of the criminal mind, but they're very similar. But that's exactly, I can't believe it. I just identified with that one. A hundred percent.
Marine4America (29:04): Yeah. There's another minute left.
Recording (29:09): The outlet is fake news. Every piece of evidence you bring just gets added to the conspiracy. There's no evidence they'll accept, because accepting evidence was never part of the deal. Psychologist Daniel Kahneman found that once someone believes something, their brain treats every piece of supporting evidence as proof and every piece of contradicting evidence as part of the coverup or conspiracy. Kirk was never really debating anyone. He was running a scam in a real debate. The person making the claim has to prove their claim to be true. Kirk never proved anything. He just demanded you disprove him and called it a win when you couldn't. That is not a debate that is a weak scam and only worked on kids who are under 20 years old. Most of these people have no idea what they're actually saying. They saw it on TikTok or they heard it on Fox News. They repeated it to you and called it an argument. Actually trying to win a debate. They're trying to feel superior to someone they are secretly intimidated by. That is all owning the libs ever was deeply insecure. People using borrowed tricks to feel powerful for five minutes. Now that you know these tricks, you'll never have to fall for them again. They're what weak people use to try and trick smart people into arguing. When you're not smart enough to win a real argument, you kind of have to trick people.
Marine4America (30:10): Yeah, it's the best way to put it.
PamHemphill79 (30:15): Okay, go to the next one.
Marine4America (30:18): Which one was the next one? I'll
PamHemphill79 (30:20): Pull people up in a minute as soon as we're done with this video.
Marine4America (30:23): Which other one did you want?
PamHemphill79 (30:25): That wasn't the last, was it?
Marine4America (30:27): Oh yeah. No, that was the end of the video. It was only six minutes long.
PamHemphill79 (30:31): Oh, burden of proof flip. Okay.
Marine4America (30:33): Yeah, yeah. I had ho Homan burden of proof straw man.
Recording (30:44): Even worth slope fallacy. They take one
Marine4America (30:47): Slippery slope.
Recording (30:50): That's
PamHemphill79 (30:50): Why I want people to
Marine4America (30:51): Learn. I'll post this on the pill.
PamHemphill79 (30:55): Okay. I think it's important to learn this so you don't waste your time. I mean, if you want to have a conversation, they come in here and yell at me and call me names. That's not a conversation. Let's talk about Iran and what the hell's going on and what do you like about it or don't like about it. We don't have to agree, but go into personalities trying to got your moments. It is just a waste of our time.
Marine4America (31:26): Speaking of we have Guyer.
PamHemphill79 (31:30): Yeah. See if he'll be nice. Don't pull into your tactics. We are aware of 'em. We got your number.
Marine4America (31:42): Nick sorter types. It's okay. You're free to speak. It's just us. Oh, did it not go through
PamHemphill79 (32:02): Guy? I don't dunno if you're hearing us, but you're free to talk, but we'll wait until you put this hand up.
Marine4America (32:08): It might be a space thing. It still says there's a request and I don't see the request anymore. I tried to bring 'em up. Maybe try to do it if I invite them. Invite to speak spaces is weird. I think everybody needs a little bit of grace and patience with that.
GuyerDigital (32:27): Sorry, I was on a phone call. What happened now?
Marine4America (32:29): No problem. You had a request to speak, so
GuyerDigital (32:35): I just wanted to say, hi, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (32:38): Hello.
GuyerDigital (32:41): How come I got booted from your last space?
PamHemphill79 (32:45): I
Marine4America (32:45): Don't know, man. Maybe that was me. I think I might've been a little trolley. Did you do any January 6th looking into,
GuyerDigital (32:54): I still don't really seem to care about what happened six years ago.
Marine4America (32:58): There's a whole news about the DOJ moving to get rid of people's charges for sedition.
GuyerDigital (33:06): Alright, so what do you consider storming an immigration customs enforcement facility and totally turning that thing upside down. You don't think storming a federal building isn't considered any of that?
Marine4America (33:19): It sure could be.
PamHemphill79 (33:19): Okay. What tactic was that one? What trick was that? One?
Marine4America (33:23): It was kind of the age of the subject. Not really. He wasn't alluding directly. He was just saying the what about it? And I would say, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I What's the beep?
GuyerDigital (33:37): So what are your thoughts on that then? Do you think those people should be charged accordingly?
Marine4America (33:42): They should be charged. Yeah, I said that. Oh, I hear an echo.
GuyerDigital (33:46): Okay. So Pam,
Marine4America (33:47): You can go back into every single space I've been in and said, yeah, especially those people banging on the gate. Those people who cried, open the door. That dude who kicked out the camera? Anybody shoving cops? Yeah, charge 'em.
GuyerDigital (34:01): Okay. I agree.
Marine4America (34:03): So getting rid of charges for sedition would be a bad thing, right?
GuyerDigital (34:09): How many people did they get rid of charges for?
Marine4America (34:12): I don't even know if it happened yet, but the judge, Janine Pierro moved for it.
GuyerDigital (34:17): So if it hasn't happened yet, why are we talking about it?
Marine4America (34:20): All right. Well, the pardons for January 6th. How about that? People who were actually pardoned for their assault on police officers.
GuyerDigital (34:28): Okay, well, I haven't read much about it, so I still haven't looked into it. I've got other things to worry about. That's
Marine4America (34:33): Always the answer with people. That's why I don't think, I'm sorry. That's why I wonder if you're a journalist. I don't think you are.
GuyerDigital (34:41): Well, that's fine. A lot of people don't think I am. But you can look at my credentials and you can also look at my past history working as a journalist.
PamHemphill79 (34:49): Well, that's a way to wipe out the history of January 6th. It never happened. And gaslight their convictions.
GuyerDigital (34:58): How does it affect me as an Oregonian right now?
Marine4America (35:01): I think you should be mad as an American that the federal government would pardon people who assaulted police officers and federal buildings. Just like you're supposedly mad at pardoning that would presumably say there's a systemic reason it's okay to commit this violence.
GuyerDigital (35:17): Oh, we already know that there's a systemic reason between everything. I mean, I'm against the establishment. I don't think the establishment is working fairly to the people.
Marine4America (35:26): Okay, cool.
PamHemphill79 (35:28): Yeah, it'd be like wiping out. Just you're against what's happening down at the ice Portland right now. It'd be the same thing.
GuyerDigital (35:36): I wasn't down at January 6th to document, so I can't really put my 2 cents in.
Marine4America (35:41): Alright.
GuyerDigital (35:43): As a journalist, I don't want to use other people what other people said or what other people do. I want to see it for myself. That's why I go down to ice,
Marine4America (35:50): Like sworn testimony, eyewitness accounts, consider again and try to wave affect me as an Oregonian. I think it was a federal issue. I think this is the rot that's happening within the country that people like you allow
GuyerDigital (36:06): People like me.
Marine4America (36:07): Yeah.
GuyerDigital (36:08): What do you mean people like me?
Marine4America (36:09): People who are in such a rush to be the next Nick Shirley who don't realize that the
GuyerDigital (36:13): Nick Shirley. You know what's funny is I didn't even know who Nick Shirley was.
Marine4America (36:17): You don't realize that he just had, I met him about
GuyerDigital (36:19): A month and
Marine4America (36:19): A half, four
GuyerDigital (36:20): Months ago.
Marine4America (36:21): He has a web of support of a rich family, like a Hollywood mom.
GuyerDigital (36:24): Okay?
Marine4America (36:26): Do I have a
GuyerDigital (36:26): Hollywood mom with the rich family and a web of support?
Marine4America (36:28): Probably not. Which is why it's not going to happen for you. Well,
GuyerDigital (36:31): I'm not trying to be Nick Shirley. Why am I trying to be Nick Shirley, thanks for watching my stuff, by the way, and reading the comments.
Marine4America (36:36): You should go be a carpenter.
GuyerDigital (36:39): A carpenter.
Marine4America (36:40): Yeah.
GuyerDigital (36:41): Just like you, Chandler,
Marine4America (36:44): Who
GuyerDigital (36:45): You sound a lot like Chandler.
Marine4America (36:46): Chandler, but I've seen him.
GuyerDigital (36:49): He's a carpenter. I've got a broken back. I can't be a carpenter.
Marine4America (36:55): Okay.
GuyerDigital (36:59): I would rather use my skills that I know how to do and actually do something for my state rather than build a fence or a house.
Marine4America (37:07): Yeah, I understand that
GuyerDigital (37:12): Carpenters are oversaturated in this state anyways. Plus they don't get, they're trying to. The
Marine4America (37:18): Idea was a practical skill,
GuyerDigital (37:19): Small businesses
Marine4America (37:20): To contribute to your community.
GuyerDigital (37:22): SB 1, 5 0 7. You guys know about that? Or wait?
Marine4America (37:26): No, man, don't. You're
GuyerDigital (37:27): Oregonian. That's right.
Marine4America (37:29): So
GuyerDigital (37:29): Why don't you care about SB seven? Sorry.
Marine4America (37:31): Am I Chandler or not?
GuyerDigital (37:33): Are you?
Marine4America (37:35): No.
GuyerDigital (37:35): Okay. You sound a lot like him. So do you care about SB 1 5 0 7
Marine4America (37:39): With my East Coast accent? I know. I try to mask my Philly accent, but I still say water. I don't know. I don't think Chandler says water. I got water rights all day.
PamHemphill79 (37:53): You don't sound like him to me, but
Marine4America (37:56): I haven't heard him speak. I think I did one time, but he was like, he all pissed off at somebody and then I looked him up and no, I looked up Antifa and then he's like the leader of Antifa, the self proclaimed leader of for some chips.
PamHemphill79 (38:12): No, he's not. That's mega saying that about him. It's not true at all. That's me.
Marine4America (38:18): The leader. No, in the sense that what you're doing, where it's like people call him that and he just kind of owned it as a joke and people interviewed him like that. I didn't really look into it. I think the Portland thing, I think you guys are getting a little too stupid.
Marine4America (38:41): Kidding.
Marine4America (38:42): You know what guy, you're right. I don't have a problem with you. If you're just kind of chasing neighborhood pets, by all means do that. I don't want to get in your way and tell you not to do that shit. I'm
GuyerDigital (38:51): Not chasing
Marine4America (38:52): Neighborhood
GuyerDigital (38:52): Pets, but that's all right. There's other people in my town that do that.
Marine4America (38:56): Alright, well, I don't see you as a tentacle. Like Ryan, I see you. Something else. A little more misled, but
GuyerDigital (39:06): Misled. Okay.
Marine4America (39:07): I don't know you.
GuyerDigital (39:08): Okay. Well, luckily I've got some pretty good advisors that lead me in the right direction.
Marine4America (39:15): Good. I think you have a creative heart and I appreciate that.
GuyerDigital (39:20): Oh, that's the first nice thing you said about me all night.
Marine4America (39:23): I can be very nice.
GuyerDigital (39:28): So were you a J Fixer?
Marine4America (39:30): No. I watched from my warehouse what I did watch on the mainstream media first, but I was kind of ready for something hot all day. My other friend who I served with, he lives in Ohio and he was working the night shift and we had a tradition of he was leaving work and I was going to work. So we would just talk on the phone the whole time.
GuyerDigital (39:54): And this
Marine4America (39:55): Whole,
GuyerDigital (39:55): What did you do in January 6th, Pam?
Marine4America (40:00): So he was like, call me up. Something's about to pop off. I was like, something's definitely going to pop off. And then something popped off.
GuyerDigital (40:12): I'm curious to know Pam's involvement in January 6th.
PamHemphill79 (40:17): Oh my God, in three years, all the interviews I've had, you have no clue really.
Marine4America (40:22): We'll tell your story.
GuyerDigital (40:23): Just obsessed over you. You think a lot of people are.
PamHemphill79 (40:32): What'd you say, Marine?
Marine4America (40:34): If you want to go over your story again for the billion time, I'm down to listen to it.
PamHemphill79 (40:40): Got to realize I've been doing this for three years. Oh my God. I still get interviewed every week. I'm just burned out with telling the story. I really am. That's why I just put up an interview better than me. Keep going over and over, but Pacific questions I don't mind answering. You have a specific question? I can't hear you very well.
GuyerDigital (41:05): Yeah, specific question. My specific question is when you're at the fence and you're telling 'em, go in there, go in there, go in there, go get 'em, and you're standing in front of the fence with the police officer and you were told to stand over here. Why were you saying go in there. Go in there. Go in there. What were you trying to do?
PamHemphill79 (41:25): That was out right away. All the media. Put that little clip out. But first don't be saying what I said when that's not correct. That's all I asked.
Marine4America (41:36): That January 6th.
GuyerDigital (41:38): Let's replay the clip here.
PamHemphill79 (41:40): Yeah, I have to go back a little bit.
Marine4America (41:45): Is this the thing you were found guilty for?
PamHemphill79 (41:47): No, not at all. What had happened? Trying to think of his name, William. It'll come to me. Anyway, he was talking to a capitol police officer and I turned to him. I said, what are you guys talking about? He says, we're negotiating. They're going to move the barriers and let us up to the steps. And I thought that would be great. Maybe that's where Trump's going to be. I kept thinking Trump was going to be there to talk. He had asked everybody to go there and you know how you're at a football game or a concert. People are allowed to come in, but they're pushing too fast. That's what I thought was happening. I thought they were letting us in. An officer pulled me over, so I thought he was helping me to get in first. Why would he pull me over? So I go walking around and say, come on in.It's your house. It's your house. I'm laughing now, but it's not funny. But I walked over to this female officer and I said, they're not coming in. What's going on? We're not letting them in. I said, oh my God. My heart went to my feet. And I said, shit. So they put me back to the same spot and they did it again. And I knew that time I was in trouble. I'm right up front at the gate, can't go anywhere. And the officer, the same one pulls me over again. I run to an officer and because I had 40 stitches, I told him I'm in trouble. It was like a buffalo coming at you behind you. It's very frightening. You don't know what to do. They could trump you. He says, I'll call in upfront and you go up there and they'll put you behind them until we can get you out of here. But when I got up there, they pushed me towards an officer. I fell backwards on purpose so I don't hit the officer. And they stepped on my head, pulled up my shoulder, cut my knee, broke my glasses. I was not breathing. I was close to just dying. And an officer pulled me up and saved me and got me behind him. So that's what happened that day. But you could play the clip. I don't care. I mean, that's been out there for three years. I'm not giving, I don't want to paint a picture like I'm a victim. I made a choice to stay. That's why I pleaded guilty. I was guilty. It's really that
GuyerDigital (44:14): Simple. Well, when we're not painting a picture that you're a victim, you pleaded guilty, which means you're the opposite of the victim.
PamHemphill79 (44:20): Yeah. I had a choice I could have left.
GuyerDigital (44:22): Right, but you were also telling people, go in there, it's your house. And they were standing behind a guardrail.
PamHemphill79 (44:28): That's what I told you. I thought they were letting us in. That's what a
Marine4America (44:31): Lot of people were screaming.
GuyerDigital (44:32): Right. So why are you telling people to go in there? And then also, I
PamHemphill79 (44:36): Just
GuyerDigital (44:36): Explained it,
Marine4America (44:38): But this is what the whole crowd was saying. A lot of people were saying, this is our house. Go in there. Yeah, I sold your Well
PamHemphill79 (44:45): Wait, Marine. Wait, Marine guy. I just explained it and you didn't hear a word I said, or you wouldn't be asking this. I just explained it.
GuyerDigital (44:55): I heard every word you said, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (44:57): I said, I thought they were letting us in because he said they're negotiating. They're letting people come in. But
GuyerDigital (45:03): Why do you still believe it was an insurrection?
PamHemphill79 (45:06): Well, we already know by research that it was planned by the proud boys and Oath keepers Trump. You named the other
GuyerDigital (45:13): People. Did you know it was going to be an insurrection when you went down
PamHemphill79 (45:15): There? No, I didn't know nothing. Of course not.
Marine4America (45:18): Why would you think she did?
Marine4America (32:29): No problem. You had a request to speak, so
GuyerDigital (32:35): I just wanted to say, hi, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (32:38): Hello.
GuyerDigital (32:41): How come I got booted from your last space?
PamHemphill79 (32:45): I
Marine4America (32:45): Don't know, man. Maybe that was me. I think I might've been a little trolley. Did you do any January 6th looking into,
GuyerDigital (32:54): I still don't really seem to care about what happened six years ago.
Marine4America (32:58): There's a whole news about the DOJ moving to get rid of people's charges for sedition.
GuyerDigital (33:06): Alright, so what do you consider storming an immigration customs enforcement facility and totally turning that thing upside down. You don't think storming a federal building isn't considered any of that?
Marine4America (33:19): It sure could be.
PamHemphill79 (33:19): Okay. What tactic was that one? What trick was that? One?
Marine4America (33:23): It was kind of the age of the subject. Not really. He wasn't alluding directly. He was just saying the what about it? And I would say, yeah, you're right. Yeah, I What's the beep?
GuyerDigital (33:37): So what are your thoughts on that then? Do you think those people should be charged accordingly?
Marine4America (33:42): They should be charged. Yeah, I said that. Oh, I hear an echo.
GuyerDigital (33:46): Okay. So Pam,
Marine4America (33:47): You can go back into every single space I've been in and said, yeah, especially those people banging on the gate. Those people who cried, open the door. That dude who kicked out the camera? Anybody shoving cops? Yeah, charge 'em.
GuyerDigital (34:01): Okay. I agree.
Marine4America (34:03): So getting rid of charges for sedition would be a bad thing, right?
GuyerDigital (34:09): How many people did they get rid of charges for?
Marine4America (34:12): I don't even know if it happened yet, but the judge, Janine Pierro moved for it.
GuyerDigital (34:17): So if it hasn't happened yet, why are we talking about it?
Marine4America (34:20): All right. Well, the pardons for January 6th. How about that? People who were actually pardoned for their assault on police officers.
GuyerDigital (34:28): Okay, well, I haven't read much about it, so I still haven't looked into it. I've got other things to worry about. That's
Marine4America (34:33): Always the answer with people. That's why I don't think, I'm sorry. That's why I wonder if you're a journalist. I don't think you are.
GuyerDigital (34:41): Well, that's fine. A lot of people don't think I am. But you can look at my credentials and you can also look at my past history working as a journalist.
PamHemphill79 (34:49): Well, that's a way to wipe out the history of January 6th. It never happened. And gaslight their convictions.
GuyerDigital (34:58): How does it affect me as an Oregonian right now?
Marine4America (35:01): I think you should be mad as an American that the federal government would pardon people who assaulted police officers and federal buildings. Just like you're supposedly mad at pardoning that would presumably say there's a systemic reason it's okay to commit this violence.
GuyerDigital (35:17): Oh, we already know that there's a systemic reason between everything. I mean, I'm against the establishment. I don't think the establishment is working fairly to the people.
Marine4America (35:26): Okay, cool.
PamHemphill79 (35:28): Yeah, it'd be like wiping out. Just you're against what's happening down at the ice Portland right now. It'd be the same thing.
GuyerDigital (35:36): I wasn't down at January 6th to document, so I can't really put my 2 cents in.
Marine4America (35:41): Alright.
GuyerDigital (35:43): As a journalist, I don't want to use other people what other people said or what other people do. I want to see it for myself. That's why I go down to ice,
Marine4America (35:50): Like sworn testimony, eyewitness accounts, consider again and try to wave affect me as an Oregonian. I think it was a federal issue. I think this is the rot that's happening within the country that people like you allow
GuyerDigital (36:06): People like me.
Marine4America (36:07): Yeah.
GuyerDigital (36:08): What do you mean people like me?
Marine4America (36:09): People who are in such a rush to be the next Nick Shirley who don't realize that the
GuyerDigital (36:13): Nick Shirley. You know what's funny is I didn't even know who Nick Shirley was.
Marine4America (36:17): You don't realize that he just had, I met him about
GuyerDigital (36:19): A month and
Marine4America (36:19): A half, four
GuyerDigital (36:20): Months ago.
Marine4America (36:21): He has a web of support of a rich family, like a Hollywood mom.
GuyerDigital (36:24): Okay?
Marine4America (36:26): Do I have a
GuyerDigital (36:26): Hollywood mom with the rich family and a web of support?
Marine4America (36:28): Probably not. Which is why it's not going to happen for you. Well,
GuyerDigital (36:31): I'm not trying to be Nick Shirley. Why am I trying to be Nick Shirley, thanks for watching my stuff, by the way, and reading the comments.
Marine4America (36:36): You should go be a carpenter.
GuyerDigital (36:39): A carpenter.
Marine4America (36:40): Yeah.
GuyerDigital (36:41): Just like you, Chandler,
Marine4America (36:44): Who
GuyerDigital (36:45): You sound a lot like Chandler.
Marine4America (36:46): Chandler, but I've seen him.
GuyerDigital (36:49): He's a carpenter. I've got a broken back. I can't be a carpenter.
Marine4America (36:55): Okay.
GuyerDigital (36:59): I would rather use my skills that I know how to do and actually do something for my state rather than build a fence or a house.
Marine4America (37:07): Yeah, I understand that
GuyerDigital (37:12): Carpenters are oversaturated in this state anyways. Plus they don't get, they're trying to. The
Marine4America (37:18): Idea was a practical skill,
GuyerDigital (37:19): Small businesses
Marine4America (37:20): To contribute to your community.
GuyerDigital (37:22): SB 1, 5 0 7. You guys know about that? Or wait?
Marine4America (37:26): No, man, don't. You're
GuyerDigital (37:27): Oregonian. That's right.
Marine4America (37:29): So
GuyerDigital (37:29): Why don't you care about SB seven? Sorry.
Marine4America (37:31): Am I Chandler or not?
GuyerDigital (37:33): Are you?
Marine4America (37:35): No.
GuyerDigital (37:35): Okay. You sound a lot like him. So do you care about SB 1 5 0 7
Marine4America (37:39): With my East Coast accent? I know. I try to mask my Philly accent, but I still say water. I don't know. I don't think Chandler says water. I got water rights all day.
PamHemphill79 (37:53): You don't sound like him to me, but
Marine4America (37:56): I haven't heard him speak. I think I did one time, but he was like, he all pissed off at somebody and then I looked him up and no, I looked up Antifa and then he's like the leader of Antifa, the self proclaimed leader of for some chips.
PamHemphill79 (38:12): No, he's not. That's mega saying that about him. It's not true at all. That's me.
Marine4America (38:18): The leader. No, in the sense that what you're doing, where it's like people call him that and he just kind of owned it as a joke and people interviewed him like that. I didn't really look into it. I think the Portland thing, I think you guys are getting a little too stupid.
Marine4America (38:41): Kidding.
Marine4America (38:42): You know what guy, you're right. I don't have a problem with you. If you're just kind of chasing neighborhood pets, by all means do that. I don't want to get in your way and tell you not to do that shit. I'm
GuyerDigital (38:51): Not chasing
Marine4America (38:52): Neighborhood
GuyerDigital (38:52): Pets, but that's all right. There's other people in my town that do that.
Marine4America (38:56): Alright, well, I don't see you as a tentacle. Like Ryan, I see you. Something else. A little more misled, but
GuyerDigital (39:06): Misled. Okay.
Marine4America (39:07): I don't know you.
GuyerDigital (39:08): Okay. Well, luckily I've got some pretty good advisors that lead me in the right direction.
Marine4America (39:15): Good. I think you have a creative heart and I appreciate that.
GuyerDigital (39:20): Oh, that's the first nice thing you said about me all night.
Marine4America (39:23): I can be very nice.
GuyerDigital (39:28): So were you a J Fixer?
Marine4America (39:30): No. I watched from my warehouse what I did watch on the mainstream media first, but I was kind of ready for something hot all day. My other friend who I served with, he lives in Ohio and he was working the night shift and we had a tradition of he was leaving work and I was going to work. So we would just talk on the phone the whole time.
GuyerDigital (39:54): And this
Marine4America (39:55): Whole,
GuyerDigital (39:55): What did you do in January 6th, Pam?
Marine4America (40:00): So he was like, call me up. Something's about to pop off. I was like, something's definitely going to pop off. And then something popped off.
GuyerDigital (40:12): I'm curious to know Pam's involvement in January 6th.
PamHemphill79 (40:17): Oh my God, in three years, all the interviews I've had, you have no clue really.
Marine4America (40:22): We'll tell your story.
GuyerDigital (40:23): Just obsessed over you. You think a lot of people are.
PamHemphill79 (40:32): What'd you say, Marine?
Marine4America (40:34): If you want to go over your story again for the billion time, I'm down to listen to it.
PamHemphill79 (40:40): Got to realize I've been doing this for three years. Oh my God. I still get interviewed every week. I'm just burned out with telling the story. I really am. That's why I just put up an interview better than me. Keep going over and over, but Pacific questions I don't mind answering. You have a specific question? I can't hear you very well.
GuyerDigital (41:05): Yeah, specific question. My specific question is when you're at the fence and you're telling 'em, go in there, go in there, go in there, go get 'em, and you're standing in front of the fence with the police officer and you were told to stand over here. Why were you saying go in there. Go in there. Go in there. What were you trying to do?
PamHemphill79 (41:25): That was out right away. All the media. Put that little clip out. But first don't be saying what I said when that's not correct. That's all I asked.
Marine4America (41:36): That January 6th.
GuyerDigital (41:38): Let's replay the clip here.
PamHemphill79 (41:40): Yeah, I have to go back a little bit.
Marine4America (41:45): Is this the thing you were found guilty for?
PamHemphill79 (41:47): No, not at all. What had happened? Trying to think of his name, William. It'll come to me. Anyway, he was talking to a capitol police officer and I turned to him. I said, what are you guys talking about? He says, we're negotiating. They're going to move the barriers and let us up to the steps. And I thought that would be great. Maybe that's where Trump's going to be. I kept thinking Trump was going to be there to talk. He had asked everybody to go there and you know how you're at a football game or a concert. People are allowed to come in, but they're pushing too fast. That's what I thought was happening. I thought they were letting us in. An officer pulled me over, so I thought he was helping me to get in first. Why would he pull me over? So I go walking around and say, come on in.It's your house. It's your house. I'm laughing now, but it's not funny. But I walked over to this female officer and I said, they're not coming in. What's going on? We're not letting them in. I said, oh my God. My heart went to my feet. And I said, shit. So they put me back to the same spot and they did it again. And I knew that time I was in trouble. I'm right up front at the gate, can't go anywhere. And the officer, the same one pulls me over again. I run to an officer and because I had 40 stitches, I told him I'm in trouble. It was like a buffalo coming at you behind you. It's very frightening. You don't know what to do. They could trump you. He says, I'll call in upfront and you go up there and they'll put you behind them until we can get you out of here. But when I got up there, they pushed me towards an officer. I fell backwards on purpose so I don't hit the officer. And they stepped on my head, pulled up my shoulder, cut my knee, broke my glasses. I was not breathing. I was close to just dying. And an officer pulled me up and saved me and got me behind him. So that's what happened that day. But you could play the clip. I don't care. I mean, that's been out there for three years. I'm not giving, I don't want to paint a picture like I'm a victim. I made a choice to stay. That's why I pleaded guilty. I was guilty. It's really that
GuyerDigital (44:14): Simple. Well, when we're not painting a picture that you're a victim, you pleaded guilty, which means you're the opposite of the victim.
PamHemphill79 (44:20): Yeah. I had a choice I could have left.
GuyerDigital (44:22): Right, but you were also telling people, go in there, it's your house. And they were standing behind a guardrail.
PamHemphill79 (44:28): That's what I told you. I thought they were letting us in. That's what a
Marine4America (44:31): Lot of people were screaming.
GuyerDigital (44:32): Right. So why are you telling people to go in there? And then also, I
PamHemphill79 (44:36): Just
GuyerDigital (44:36): Explained it,
Marine4America (44:38): But this is what the whole crowd was saying. A lot of people were saying, this is our house. Go in there. Yeah, I sold your Well
PamHemphill79 (44:45): Wait, Marine. Wait, Marine guy. I just explained it and you didn't hear a word I said, or you wouldn't be asking this. I just explained it.
GuyerDigital (44:55): I heard every word you said, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (44:57): I said, I thought they were letting us in because he said they're negotiating. They're letting people come in. But
GuyerDigital (45:03): Why do you still believe it was an insurrection?
PamHemphill79 (45:06): Well, we already know by research that it was planned by the proud boys and Oath keepers Trump. You named the other
GuyerDigital (45:13): People. Did you know it was going to be an insurrection when you went down
PamHemphill79 (45:15): There? No, I didn't know nothing. Of course not.
Marine4America (45:18): Why would you think she did?
GuyerDigital (45:21): Well then, I mean, it's hard for me to understand. I get it. Yeah, it's your house. Go in there. Cool. It's your house. But now you're coming back and saying, don't go in there
Marine4America (45:31): Because she Right. Yeah. That's why she turned down the pardon. She admits all this. Yes, she fucked up.
PamHemphill79 (45:43): Nobody would've stayed if they or probably even showed up. I know there's a lot of mees out there.
Marine4America (45:49): You know who also was screaming? Go in there, go in there. It's your house. It's your house. And they never apologized.
PamHemphill79 (45:56): No.
Marine4America (45:57): People who assaulted the police. People who were convicted of conspiracy. People who actually did plan our people that day.
GuyerDigital (46:05): How many people does Pam stand next to in Portland that assault Police
Marine4America (46:09): Say There's what a good one about is what does that have to do with January 6th? Exactly what we're talking about.
GuyerDigital (46:18): Hold on. You are what you surround yourself with, right?
PamHemphill79 (46:21): No, you are. You, you.
GuyerDigital (46:24): Well, no, and I'm just using your guys' stuff against you, Pam. Next to people who assault police officers. Right? Kill cops.
PamHemphill79 (46:32): I'm a citizen.
GuyerDigital (46:34): So you want to talk about how you care about cops
Marine4America (46:37): Kill cops when
GuyerDigital (46:39): You stand next to people who write in graffiti, kill cops all over our city.
Marine4America (46:44): Oh, right. Graffiti Who said kill cops.
GuyerDigital (46:46): And you also stand next to people all
Marine4America (46:48): Over the fucking country. Man, my guy.
GuyerDigital (46:50): You also,
Marine4America (46:51): There's music that says fuck the police. There's music that says kill the president. That's all kinds of nasty language
GuyerDigital (46:58): There. I don't listen to any. There has nothing to do with that. Don't listen.
Marine4America (46:59): Well, it's a big world out there, man.
GuyerDigital (47:02): But I'm asking Pam, so you're sitting here and you're saying, well, actually Marine, you said they were assaulting officers. Okay. You stand next to people who assault officers and watch it happen. Pam,
PamHemphill79 (47:16): Who's assaulted an officer,
GuyerDigital (47:17): I don't know their names. They cover their face in black block.
PamHemphill79 (47:21): I haven't seen that.
GuyerDigital (47:22): I have. It's on video. I got the receipts
PamHemphill79 (47:24): In. What? Well then why aren't they arrested?
GuyerDigital (47:27): Huh? All the time, bro. Bro, come down the poll.
PamHemphill79 (47:32): He's lying.
Marine4America (47:34): People get arrested though. Pam said repeatedly,
GuyerDigital (47:37): If I put my hands on a police officer, I would go to jail. The people that Pam stands next to, put their hands on police officers all the time and Don go to jail. Well,
Marine4America (47:44): Pam
GuyerDigital (47:44): Fucked
Marine4America (47:44): Up. She fucks up repeatedly and I see that too. Yeah. Right.
GuyerDigital (47:47): Stands next to him and calls him her friends.
Marine4America (47:51): I don't know about anything about that.
PamHemphill79 (47:53): Marine. He's spinning that. He's lying.
GuyerDigital (47:56): What am I spinning here? What am I spinning?
Marine4America (47:59): Who? Who's her friends?
GuyerDigital (48:00): I don't know their names. Oh
Marine4America (48:02): God.GuyerDigital (48:02): Again, because I'm not, their friends don't either. Well,Marine4America (48:04): I can name the people who did actually assault police. Does that help? Because I actually did my research.
GuyerDigital (48:10): Go ahead.
Marine4America (48:11): DJ Rodriguez is one. He stunned. Michael Fanon. He said he thought a civil war was popping off because of Infowars.
GuyerDigital (48:22): That guy's crazy, but okay.
Marine4America (48:24): Okay. Well, he got a pardon and I don't see, that's what I mean is you're more upset with Pam being a lost old lady who is consistently a lost old lady than the people who are getting forgiven for fucking assaulting police officers. This is fucking absurd. This bag is of fucking disease. Marine. Oh, Jesus fucking Christ.
PamHemphill79 (48:44): Just a second. Look at guy. You're standing next to a man, right? He breaks a car window. Are you part of that,
GuyerDigital (48:54): Pam? I said you stand next to and associate yourself with and call him your friends.
PamHemphill79 (48:59): Never witnessed anybody hitting an officer.
GuyerDigital (49:01): Does somebody have to hit an officer to assault an officer?
PamHemphill79 (49:04): Well, whatever. I've never seen it.
GuyerDigital (49:07): You don't have your eyes open. You're too focused on your phone. You're too focused on recording the receipts that you got. Apparently
PamHemphill79 (49:19): It's proven that
GuyerDigital (49:20): It's proven that people don't assault police officers and you've been right next to 'em. When it happens.
PamHemphill79 (49:25): It's proven that you cannot, Marine, let me finish. It's proven that human behavior cannot be predicted. That's through psychiatrists, psychologists. You don't know what somebody's going to do when you're standing next to 'em.
GuyerDigital (49:40): If
PamHemphill79 (49:40): You did, you would probably leave. You would.
GuyerDigital (49:43): I would. Okay. But you continuously to stand next to bad people
PamHemphill79 (49:48): And
GuyerDigital (49:48): You support those bad people.
PamHemphill79 (49:51): That's your opinion.
GuyerDigital (49:52): It's not my opinion. I think anybody who assaults a police officer is a bad person. I think anybody who says kill cops is a bad person. I think anybody who says kill anybody because of their ideology. Oh,
PamHemphill79 (50:04): You're
GuyerDigital (50:05): A really good guy.
PamHemphill79 (50:06): But you could call out my license plate number and follow
GuyerDigital (50:09): Your I never called out your license plate number. I took a picture standing in front of your car. Picture of take pictures of my car.
PamHemphill79 (50:13): Yeah.
GuyerDigital (50:14): Why do you bring your car into downtown Portland? It's a nice car. You don't see convertibles in downtown Portland. It rains too much out here. It doesn't rain too much in Meridian, Idaho, does it?
PamHemphill79 (50:23): Well, you know I got a
GuyerDigital (50:24): 19, 20
PamHemphill79 (50:25): Now at
GuyerDigital (50:26): Your point, little apartment, Pam, we know you don't own a house. We know you're all broke.
Marine4America (50:38): So she's not funded by George Soros or China?
GuyerDigital (50:41): No. She was funded by a German media company to go down at one point, but not anymore. She's not completely, you
PamHemphill79 (50:48): Know what? They have lawyers. They probably want to come after your butt for putting that out there.
GuyerDigital (50:53): What? That they funded you for going down somewhere. That should be public information.
PamHemphill79 (50:57): So Marie, that's the largest media in Germany. They called me and they heard that rumor and said, look it, we got a lot of lawyers. You call
GuyerDigital (51:06): Us back. You admitted that they paid for you to go down there, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (51:08): Well, yes they did. They paid
GuyerDigital (51:10): Me. Me. Okay, go. So how are they going to come at me? What are they going to sue me for?
PamHemphill79 (51:14): Because they paid for my motel and my plane. They
GuyerDigital (51:17): Paid for you to go down
PamHemphill79 (51:17): There. Not me. They paid. Is
Marine4America (51:19): That what you mean by funded?
GuyerDigital (51:21): They funded.
PamHemphill79 (51:22): That's what media does for anybody. Now, some of people have a,
GuyerDigital (51:26): Why would a foreign media group funded Let finish you go down to Washington DC and incite a
PamHemphill79 (51:31): Riot. It didn't me. It didn't fund me. It's really scary
Marine4America (51:35): When you
PamHemphill79 (51:35): Put
Marine4America (51:35): It like that and you don't know
GuyerDigital (51:37): How the world works. Okay, not fun. Okay, we'll put it in different terms then. Why would a German media company pay for your hotel and your flight or whatever to get you to the place to go inside Riot? It was a documentary in the United States.
PamHemphill79 (51:49): What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I don't even know what you're talking about. What riot?
GuyerDigital (51:59): January.
Marine4America (52:01): Why would a French documentary group be documenting January six? A New York firefighters? What? Nine 11 happen? It's like, what the fuck do you even talking about?
PamHemphill79 (52:11): It's been shared on media that my family paid my way to January 6th as a Christmas gift. So that's been debunked year.
GuyerDigital (52:20): Oh wait. So the German media company didn't pay for January 6th. They paid for a separate riot for you to go to. Paid
Marine4America (52:24): For January 6th
PamHemphill79 (52:26): For a documentary in front of the capitol.
GuyerDigital (52:28): Where's the documentary? Where can I find it?
PamHemphill79 (52:31): Comes out in June. Two of them
GuyerDigital (52:33): Comes out in June from something that happens when six years ago
PamHemphill79 (52:37): I've had three different Germany media. That's how important I am to come in
GuyerDigital (52:41): Because the United States doesn't care about you, Pam. You have to reach all the way out to Germany.
PamHemphill79 (52:46): They were even there at the ice facility
GuyerDigital (52:51): OD oda. I talked to 'em.
PamHemphill79 (52:58): What?
GuyerDigital (53:01): Yeah, they were there and I talked to 'em. I had a conversation with them. I might be in that documentary coming out in June. Who knows?
PamHemphill79 (53:09): That was the Daily Telegraph. Yeah.
GuyerDigital (53:12): That
PamHemphill79 (53:12): Came there to the Portland Ice. You could see the interview. I posted it just yesterday. Maybe they came there. Japan has come to my home. I have pictures of it.
GuyerDigital (53:25): So you've got foreign adversaries coming to your house to pay you to go do these things.
PamHemphill79 (53:28): Media,
GuyerDigital (53:28): Documentary.
PamHemphill79 (53:29): Media. Media.
GuyerDigital (53:31): Okay. So what does the media control the narrative?
Marine4America (53:35): It doesn't.
GuyerDigital (53:36): Yes it does. You're telling me Fox News doesn't control a narrative.
Marine4America (53:40): German media, some random German punditry about doing a fucking January six documentary is not controlling the narrative. I assure you
GuyerDigital (53:48): It's controlling their narrative.
PamHemphill79 (53:50): Wait guy. You know how many generations it's guy are going to be?
GuyerDigital (53:54): Pam. If you're going to say my name, it's Guyer
PamHemphill79 (53:57): Guy.
Marine4America (53:57): How
PamHemphill79 (53:58): Many in this documentary you're going to see a lot of J Sixers are in the documentary too.
GuyerDigital (54:04): Yeah, and we also have one that's going to be our next governor.
PamHemphill79 (54:09): No, sorry about that. Never happened.
GuyerDigital (54:12): What? You're right. It hasn't happened yet, but it's going to
PamHemphill79 (54:16): No, wishful thinking. Oh my God.
GuyerDigital (54:19): Who's going to be our next governor here in Oregon then? Pam
,Marine4America (54:24): What's his name? Lemme look him up.
GuyerDigital (54:27): I don't know if you're such a journalist.
Marine4America (54:30): Okay, governor Oregon. Candidate J six
GuyerDigital (54:35): K2 News Didn't entire smear campaign about him. You know what he did? David? David, he walked into the capitol. He walked, walked into the Capitol building. He walked into the building and he waved the flag.
Marine4America (54:46): Okay.
PamHemphill79 (54:46): No, that's not the whole
GuyerDigital (54:47): Story. A lot less than what Pam did. He didn't tell nobody to go in there. That's their house. He went in there and waved the flag. That's all he did. Fed destruction of government property. Fed came to his house three years later. Why are you lying
Marine4America (55:01): Raided
GuyerDigital (55:01): His house?
Marine4America (55:02): Are you lying
PamHemphill79 (55:04): A Marine? I have 18 videos. Everybody's screaming. It's our house. It's our house. Everybody's screaming that come on in. It's our house.
Marine4America (55:14): Destruction of government property.
PamHemphill79 (55:15): When I was up front at the capitol, I wouldn't say that. I was saying, come on in, because I thought they were letting us in. It's that simple. Guyer just wants to twist. That's all. He's just up here to twist.
Marine4America (55:28): He wants to have it both ways.
PamHemphill79 (55:31): It's
GuyerDigital (55:31): Not Burger King.
PamHemphill79 (55:33): We need some more people that want to talk. He's just trying to get my goat not working. It's too much information out, debunk everything.
GuyerDigital (55:44): I don't want your goat, Pam. It's been screwed by too many radical Muslims.
PamHemphill79 (55:48): Cool. I love the Muslims.
GuyerDigital (55:54): I love the Muslims. I said radical Muslims.
Marine4America (55:59): So David Medina was also charged with destruction of government property. So he did lie about that?
GuyerDigital (56:05): No, he picked up a flag and waved it in the air. They considered that destruction of government property
Marine4America (56:11): Smashing a sign.
GuyerDigital (56:12): It's on video. He didn't smash a sign. It's on video.
PamHemphill79 (56:16): Just look at his court
GuyerDigital (56:17): Records. He picked up a flag. Yeah, I
Marine4America (56:18): Believe him waving a flag is on video, but apparently he also smashed a sign as well.
GuyerDigital (56:24): No,
PamHemphill79 (56:25): It doesn't matter. The capitol was close to even the public because the vice president
GuyerDigital (56:30): Was there. Then why were you telling people to go in there, Pam? If you knew it was close to the public, then why were you telling people to go in there?
PamHemphill79 (56:35): I didn't know that day. Nobody knew. I learned all this stuff. I didn't even know it was transfer of power. I didn't even know the vice president was there.
GuyerDigital (56:44): Did the Fed come to your apartment and arrest you?
PamHemphill79 (56:47): What do you think?
GuyerDigital (56:49): Well, I don't know that
Marine4America (56:50): Question. So did Medina, did he try to smash the speaker of the House's sign? Is that
PamHemphill79 (56:56): Yes, he did.
GuyerDigital (56:57): No, he took the flag and waved it in the air.
Marine4America (56:59): So he did not take the wooden sign affixed above the speaker's office in an attempt to break. It appears to be slamming a wooden sign using Yes, he did. Yeah, it looks like he did.
GuyerDigital (57:09): Well, you can do all the research yourself since you're such a great journalist, Mr. Marine.
Marine4America (57:13): I don't claim to be a journalist, but I am. Do
GuyerDigital (57:15): You believe everything the Feds tell you?
Marine4America (57:17): No. Just look at the sources you consider. There are incentives.
PamHemphill79 (57:21): I didn't do anything wrong right then.
GuyerDigital (57:24): I don't think you did anything wrong, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (57:26): Oh God. Give me a break.
Marine4America (57:28): Do you think Trump supporting media, calling them Patriots live while they committed violence, would contribute more to that fervor? Or would it turn the temperature down?
GuyerDigital (57:40): Wait, repeat that question. I wasn't paying attention to you.
Marine4America (57:42): So people watched Infowars a lot, obviously because the guy who assaulted the cop, the crazy person obviously attributed him going there was because of Infowars. So do you think Infowars broadcasting it live, the violence live and calling the people, committing the violence Patriots, do you think that adds to their fervor or does it turn the temperature down?
GuyerDigital (58:06): Do you think Pam calling the people that commit violence down? Oh my God. That you're not going to be able to answer this question.
Marine4America (58:11): Patriot, you are
GuyerDigital (58:11): Not going to question. Do think that adds to the fervor or do you think it think
Marine4America (58:14): Pam forever when you love Pam? Holy fuck. Answer the question.
GuyerDigital (58:20): I did answer the question.
Marine4America (58:24): What was my question? Repeat it back to me.
GuyerDigital (58:28): Your question was, you started with a statement. You said Infowars was live streaming the thing and called them patriots for people who were acting violent. Do you think I do? I think that Donald Trump saying that they were patriots was in favor of something, something, something. I don't really care about your question, to be honest with you.
Marine4America (58:49): Yeah, I rest my case, ladies and gentlemen. I can't even comprehend what we're asking. You said the media controls the narrative, right?
GuyerDigital (59:03): Right.
Marine4America (59:04): So a lot of people who were especially angry, at least angry enough to commit
GuyerDigital (59:08): Violence against police officers. Don't s media.
Marine4America (59:11): I don't care what you think. The people
GuyerDigital (59:13): Who were there
Marine4America (59:14): That day who were angry enough to commit violence that day, they said they were there because of Infowars. I
GuyerDigital (59:19): Don't know. You can't predict human behavior, right?
Marine4America (59:22): No, but I can point to a fucking police interrogation video where he says this.
GuyerDigital (59:27): Pam, I got a question. You said you were paid by, oh,
Marine4America (59:30): You're such a p*ssy dude.
GuyerDigital (59:30): You said German. You are such a fucking
Marine4America (59:33): P*ssy.
GuyerDigital (59:33): Are you the real Nazi? You are such a p*ssy or far as a foreign agent?
Marine4America (59:38): P*ssy
GuyerDigital (59:39): Foreign
GuyerDigital (59:40): Agent Registration Act is a 1938 US law requiring individuals or an entities acting as agents or foreign principles, including governments, political parties, organization, to register with the Department of Justice relationship compensation. Actually, this applies is the treat, promote transparency regarding foreign influence on the US public policy, opinion and law.
Marine4America (01:00:01): The conspiracy against,
GuyerDigital (01:00:03): We should ignore that, include lobbying, public relations, advocate and distributing media. So did you register as a Nazi Pam?
PamHemphill79 (01:00:11): Okay, Marine, I put up in the bubble another video I'd like to hear. Get this. Do you see it? How to get 'em out of the Mega Cult,
Marine4America (01:00:24): Right? And they want to say like, oh, you're fucking, oh, the media is like, oh, the mainstream media. It's like, no, I'm talking about the media that the people who went to January 6th consumed. I'm not talking about my media. I'm talking about your media.
Marine4America (45:31): Because she Right. Yeah. That's why she turned down the pardon. She admits all this. Yes, she fucked up.
PamHemphill79 (45:43): Nobody would've stayed if they or probably even showed up. I know there's a lot of mees out there.
Marine4America (45:49): You know who also was screaming? Go in there, go in there. It's your house. It's your house. And they never apologized.
PamHemphill79 (45:56): No.
Marine4America (45:57): People who assaulted the police. People who were convicted of conspiracy. People who actually did plan our people that day.
GuyerDigital (46:05): How many people does Pam stand next to in Portland that assault Police
Marine4America (46:09): Say There's what a good one about is what does that have to do with January 6th? Exactly what we're talking about.
GuyerDigital (46:18): Hold on. You are what you surround yourself with, right?
PamHemphill79 (46:21): No, you are. You, you.
GuyerDigital (46:24): Well, no, and I'm just using your guys' stuff against you, Pam. Next to people who assault police officers. Right? Kill cops.
PamHemphill79 (46:32): I'm a citizen.
GuyerDigital (46:34): So you want to talk about how you care about cops
Marine4America (46:37): Kill cops when
GuyerDigital (46:39): You stand next to people who write in graffiti, kill cops all over our city.
Marine4America (46:44): Oh, right. Graffiti Who said kill cops.
GuyerDigital (46:46): And you also stand next to people all
Marine4America (46:48): Over the fucking country. Man, my guy.
GuyerDigital (46:50): You also,
Marine4America (46:51): There's music that says fuck the police. There's music that says kill the president. That's all kinds of nasty language
GuyerDigital (46:58): There. I don't listen to any. There has nothing to do with that. Don't listen.
Marine4America (46:59): Well, it's a big world out there, man.
GuyerDigital (47:02): But I'm asking Pam, so you're sitting here and you're saying, well, actually Marine, you said they were assaulting officers. Okay. You stand next to people who assault officers and watch it happen. Pam,
PamHemphill79 (47:16): Who's assaulted an officer,
GuyerDigital (47:17): I don't know their names. They cover their face in black block.
PamHemphill79 (47:21): I haven't seen that.
GuyerDigital (47:22): I have. It's on video. I got the receipts
PamHemphill79 (47:24): In. What? Well then why aren't they arrested?
GuyerDigital (47:27): Huh? All the time, bro. Bro, come down the poll.
PamHemphill79 (47:32): He's lying.
Marine4America (47:34): People get arrested though. Pam said repeatedly,
GuyerDigital (47:37): If I put my hands on a police officer, I would go to jail. The people that Pam stands next to, put their hands on police officers all the time and Don go to jail. Well,
Marine4America (47:44): Pam
GuyerDigital (47:44): Fucked
Marine4America (47:44): Up. She fucks up repeatedly and I see that too. Yeah. Right.
GuyerDigital (47:47): Stands next to him and calls him her friends.
Marine4America (47:51): I don't know about anything about that.
PamHemphill79 (47:53): Marine. He's spinning that. He's lying.
GuyerDigital (47:56): What am I spinning here? What am I spinning?
Marine4America (47:59): Who? Who's her friends?
GuyerDigital (48:00): I don't know their names. Oh
Marine4America (48:02): God.GuyerDigital (48:02): Again, because I'm not, their friends don't either. Well,Marine4America (48:04): I can name the people who did actually assault police. Does that help? Because I actually did my research.
GuyerDigital (48:10): Go ahead.
Marine4America (48:11): DJ Rodriguez is one. He stunned. Michael Fanon. He said he thought a civil war was popping off because of Infowars.
GuyerDigital (48:22): That guy's crazy, but okay.
Marine4America (48:24): Okay. Well, he got a pardon and I don't see, that's what I mean is you're more upset with Pam being a lost old lady who is consistently a lost old lady than the people who are getting forgiven for fucking assaulting police officers. This is fucking absurd. This bag is of fucking disease. Marine. Oh, Jesus fucking Christ.
PamHemphill79 (48:44): Just a second. Look at guy. You're standing next to a man, right? He breaks a car window. Are you part of that,
GuyerDigital (48:54): Pam? I said you stand next to and associate yourself with and call him your friends.
PamHemphill79 (48:59): Never witnessed anybody hitting an officer.
GuyerDigital (49:01): Does somebody have to hit an officer to assault an officer?
PamHemphill79 (49:04): Well, whatever. I've never seen it.
GuyerDigital (49:07): You don't have your eyes open. You're too focused on your phone. You're too focused on recording the receipts that you got. Apparently
PamHemphill79 (49:19): It's proven that
GuyerDigital (49:20): It's proven that people don't assault police officers and you've been right next to 'em. When it happens.
PamHemphill79 (49:25): It's proven that you cannot, Marine, let me finish. It's proven that human behavior cannot be predicted. That's through psychiatrists, psychologists. You don't know what somebody's going to do when you're standing next to 'em.
GuyerDigital (49:40): If
PamHemphill79 (49:40): You did, you would probably leave. You would.
GuyerDigital (49:43): I would. Okay. But you continuously to stand next to bad people
PamHemphill79 (49:48): And
GuyerDigital (49:48): You support those bad people.
PamHemphill79 (49:51): That's your opinion.
GuyerDigital (49:52): It's not my opinion. I think anybody who assaults a police officer is a bad person. I think anybody who says kill cops is a bad person. I think anybody who says kill anybody because of their ideology. Oh,
PamHemphill79 (50:04): You're
GuyerDigital (50:05): A really good guy.
PamHemphill79 (50:06): But you could call out my license plate number and follow
GuyerDigital (50:09): Your I never called out your license plate number. I took a picture standing in front of your car. Picture of take pictures of my car.
PamHemphill79 (50:13): Yeah.
GuyerDigital (50:14): Why do you bring your car into downtown Portland? It's a nice car. You don't see convertibles in downtown Portland. It rains too much out here. It doesn't rain too much in Meridian, Idaho, does it?
PamHemphill79 (50:23): Well, you know I got a
GuyerDigital (50:24): 19, 20
PamHemphill79 (50:25): Now at
GuyerDigital (50:26): Your point, little apartment, Pam, we know you don't own a house. We know you're all broke.
Marine4America (50:38): So she's not funded by George Soros or China?
GuyerDigital (50:41): No. She was funded by a German media company to go down at one point, but not anymore. She's not completely, you
PamHemphill79 (50:48): Know what? They have lawyers. They probably want to come after your butt for putting that out there.
GuyerDigital (50:53): What? That they funded you for going down somewhere. That should be public information.
PamHemphill79 (50:57): So Marie, that's the largest media in Germany. They called me and they heard that rumor and said, look it, we got a lot of lawyers. You call
GuyerDigital (51:06): Us back. You admitted that they paid for you to go down there, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (51:08): Well, yes they did. They paid
GuyerDigital (51:10): Me. Me. Okay, go. So how are they going to come at me? What are they going to sue me for?
PamHemphill79 (51:14): Because they paid for my motel and my plane. They
GuyerDigital (51:17): Paid for you to go down
PamHemphill79 (51:17): There. Not me. They paid. Is
Marine4America (51:19): That what you mean by funded?
GuyerDigital (51:21): They funded.
PamHemphill79 (51:22): That's what media does for anybody. Now, some of people have a,
GuyerDigital (51:26): Why would a foreign media group funded Let finish you go down to Washington DC and incite a
PamHemphill79 (51:31): Riot. It didn't me. It didn't fund me. It's really scary
Marine4America (51:35): When you
PamHemphill79 (51:35): Put
Marine4America (51:35): It like that and you don't know
GuyerDigital (51:37): How the world works. Okay, not fun. Okay, we'll put it in different terms then. Why would a German media company pay for your hotel and your flight or whatever to get you to the place to go inside Riot? It was a documentary in the United States.
PamHemphill79 (51:49): What are you talking about? What are you talking about? I don't even know what you're talking about. What riot?
GuyerDigital (51:59): January.
Marine4America (52:01): Why would a French documentary group be documenting January six? A New York firefighters? What? Nine 11 happen? It's like, what the fuck do you even talking about?
PamHemphill79 (52:11): It's been shared on media that my family paid my way to January 6th as a Christmas gift. So that's been debunked year.
GuyerDigital (52:20): Oh wait. So the German media company didn't pay for January 6th. They paid for a separate riot for you to go to. Paid
Marine4America (52:24): For January 6th
PamHemphill79 (52:26): For a documentary in front of the capitol.
GuyerDigital (52:28): Where's the documentary? Where can I find it?
PamHemphill79 (52:31): Comes out in June. Two of them
GuyerDigital (52:33): Comes out in June from something that happens when six years ago
PamHemphill79 (52:37): I've had three different Germany media. That's how important I am to come in
GuyerDigital (52:41): Because the United States doesn't care about you, Pam. You have to reach all the way out to Germany.
PamHemphill79 (52:46): They were even there at the ice facility
GuyerDigital (52:51): OD oda. I talked to 'em.
PamHemphill79 (52:58): What?
GuyerDigital (53:01): Yeah, they were there and I talked to 'em. I had a conversation with them. I might be in that documentary coming out in June. Who knows?
PamHemphill79 (53:09): That was the Daily Telegraph. Yeah.
GuyerDigital (53:12): That
PamHemphill79 (53:12): Came there to the Portland Ice. You could see the interview. I posted it just yesterday. Maybe they came there. Japan has come to my home. I have pictures of it.
GuyerDigital (53:25): So you've got foreign adversaries coming to your house to pay you to go do these things.
PamHemphill79 (53:28): Media,
GuyerDigital (53:28): Documentary.
PamHemphill79 (53:29): Media. Media.
GuyerDigital (53:31): Okay. So what does the media control the narrative?
Marine4America (53:35): It doesn't.
GuyerDigital (53:36): Yes it does. You're telling me Fox News doesn't control a narrative.
Marine4America (53:40): German media, some random German punditry about doing a fucking January six documentary is not controlling the narrative. I assure you
GuyerDigital (53:48): It's controlling their narrative.
PamHemphill79 (53:50): Wait guy. You know how many generations it's guy are going to be?
GuyerDigital (53:54): Pam. If you're going to say my name, it's Guyer
PamHemphill79 (53:57): Guy.
Marine4America (53:57): How
PamHemphill79 (53:58): Many in this documentary you're going to see a lot of J Sixers are in the documentary too.
GuyerDigital (54:04): Yeah, and we also have one that's going to be our next governor.
PamHemphill79 (54:09): No, sorry about that. Never happened.
GuyerDigital (54:12): What? You're right. It hasn't happened yet, but it's going to
PamHemphill79 (54:16): No, wishful thinking. Oh my God.
GuyerDigital (54:19): Who's going to be our next governor here in Oregon then? Pam
,Marine4America (54:24): What's his name? Lemme look him up.
GuyerDigital (54:27): I don't know if you're such a journalist.
Marine4America (54:30): Okay, governor Oregon. Candidate J six
GuyerDigital (54:35): K2 News Didn't entire smear campaign about him. You know what he did? David? David, he walked into the capitol. He walked, walked into the Capitol building. He walked into the building and he waved the flag.
Marine4America (54:46): Okay.
PamHemphill79 (54:46): No, that's not the whole
GuyerDigital (54:47): Story. A lot less than what Pam did. He didn't tell nobody to go in there. That's their house. He went in there and waved the flag. That's all he did. Fed destruction of government property. Fed came to his house three years later. Why are you lying
Marine4America (55:01): Raided
GuyerDigital (55:01): His house?
Marine4America (55:02): Are you lying
PamHemphill79 (55:04): A Marine? I have 18 videos. Everybody's screaming. It's our house. It's our house. Everybody's screaming that come on in. It's our house.
Marine4America (55:14): Destruction of government property.
PamHemphill79 (55:15): When I was up front at the capitol, I wouldn't say that. I was saying, come on in, because I thought they were letting us in. It's that simple. Guyer just wants to twist. That's all. He's just up here to twist.
Marine4America (55:28): He wants to have it both ways.
PamHemphill79 (55:31): It's
GuyerDigital (55:31): Not Burger King.
PamHemphill79 (55:33): We need some more people that want to talk. He's just trying to get my goat not working. It's too much information out, debunk everything.
GuyerDigital (55:44): I don't want your goat, Pam. It's been screwed by too many radical Muslims.
PamHemphill79 (55:48): Cool. I love the Muslims.
GuyerDigital (55:54): I love the Muslims. I said radical Muslims.
Marine4America (55:59): So David Medina was also charged with destruction of government property. So he did lie about that?
GuyerDigital (56:05): No, he picked up a flag and waved it in the air. They considered that destruction of government property
Marine4America (56:11): Smashing a sign.
GuyerDigital (56:12): It's on video. He didn't smash a sign. It's on video.
PamHemphill79 (56:16): Just look at his court
GuyerDigital (56:17): Records. He picked up a flag. Yeah, I
Marine4America (56:18): Believe him waving a flag is on video, but apparently he also smashed a sign as well.
GuyerDigital (56:24): No,
PamHemphill79 (56:25): It doesn't matter. The capitol was close to even the public because the vice president
GuyerDigital (56:30): Was there. Then why were you telling people to go in there, Pam? If you knew it was close to the public, then why were you telling people to go in there?
PamHemphill79 (56:35): I didn't know that day. Nobody knew. I learned all this stuff. I didn't even know it was transfer of power. I didn't even know the vice president was there.
GuyerDigital (56:44): Did the Fed come to your apartment and arrest you?
PamHemphill79 (56:47): What do you think?
GuyerDigital (56:49): Well, I don't know that
Marine4America (56:50): Question. So did Medina, did he try to smash the speaker of the House's sign? Is that
PamHemphill79 (56:56): Yes, he did.
GuyerDigital (56:57): No, he took the flag and waved it in the air.
Marine4America (56:59): So he did not take the wooden sign affixed above the speaker's office in an attempt to break. It appears to be slamming a wooden sign using Yes, he did. Yeah, it looks like he did.
GuyerDigital (57:09): Well, you can do all the research yourself since you're such a great journalist, Mr. Marine.
Marine4America (57:13): I don't claim to be a journalist, but I am. Do
GuyerDigital (57:15): You believe everything the Feds tell you?
Marine4America (57:17): No. Just look at the sources you consider. There are incentives.
PamHemphill79 (57:21): I didn't do anything wrong right then.
GuyerDigital (57:24): I don't think you did anything wrong, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (57:26): Oh God. Give me a break.
Marine4America (57:28): Do you think Trump supporting media, calling them Patriots live while they committed violence, would contribute more to that fervor? Or would it turn the temperature down?
GuyerDigital (57:40): Wait, repeat that question. I wasn't paying attention to you.
Marine4America (57:42): So people watched Infowars a lot, obviously because the guy who assaulted the cop, the crazy person obviously attributed him going there was because of Infowars. So do you think Infowars broadcasting it live, the violence live and calling the people, committing the violence Patriots, do you think that adds to their fervor or does it turn the temperature down?
GuyerDigital (58:06): Do you think Pam calling the people that commit violence down? Oh my God. That you're not going to be able to answer this question.
Marine4America (58:11): Patriot, you are
GuyerDigital (58:11): Not going to question. Do think that adds to the fervor or do you think it think
Marine4America (58:14): Pam forever when you love Pam? Holy fuck. Answer the question.
GuyerDigital (58:20): I did answer the question.
Marine4America (58:24): What was my question? Repeat it back to me.
GuyerDigital (58:28): Your question was, you started with a statement. You said Infowars was live streaming the thing and called them patriots for people who were acting violent. Do you think I do? I think that Donald Trump saying that they were patriots was in favor of something, something, something. I don't really care about your question, to be honest with you.
Marine4America (58:49): Yeah, I rest my case, ladies and gentlemen. I can't even comprehend what we're asking. You said the media controls the narrative, right?
GuyerDigital (59:03): Right.
Marine4America (59:04): So a lot of people who were especially angry, at least angry enough to commit
GuyerDigital (59:08): Violence against police officers. Don't s media.
Marine4America (59:11): I don't care what you think. The people
GuyerDigital (59:13): Who were there
Marine4America (59:14): That day who were angry enough to commit violence that day, they said they were there because of Infowars. I
GuyerDigital (59:19): Don't know. You can't predict human behavior, right?
Marine4America (59:22): No, but I can point to a fucking police interrogation video where he says this.
GuyerDigital (59:27): Pam, I got a question. You said you were paid by, oh,
Marine4America (59:30): You're such a p*ssy dude.
GuyerDigital (59:30): You said German. You are such a fucking
Marine4America (59:33): P*ssy.
GuyerDigital (59:33): Are you the real Nazi? You are such a p*ssy or far as a foreign agent?
Marine4America (59:38): P*ssy
GuyerDigital (59:39): Foreign
GuyerDigital (59:40): Agent Registration Act is a 1938 US law requiring individuals or an entities acting as agents or foreign principles, including governments, political parties, organization, to register with the Department of Justice relationship compensation. Actually, this applies is the treat, promote transparency regarding foreign influence on the US public policy, opinion and law.
Marine4America (01:00:01): The conspiracy against,
GuyerDigital (01:00:03): We should ignore that, include lobbying, public relations, advocate and distributing media. So did you register as a Nazi Pam?
PamHemphill79 (01:00:11): Okay, Marine, I put up in the bubble another video I'd like to hear. Get this. Do you see it? How to get 'em out of the Mega Cult,
Marine4America (01:00:24): Right? And they want to say like, oh, you're fucking, oh, the media is like, oh, the mainstream media. It's like, no, I'm talking about the media that the people who went to January 6th consumed. I'm not talking about my media. I'm talking about your media.
Recording (01:00:58): America, you never left the country. You probably don't know what it looks like to be in a bad neighborhood. I've lived in 15 fucking years in four continents, probably over a dozen different countries on you. Little fucking a foreign.
Marine4America (01:01:09): So how do
Recording (01:01:09): I know you're not a foreign shut?
Marine4America (01:01:13): Foreign Shut
Recording (01:01:14): The up. Not
Marine4America (01:01:15): Talking to you actually do you are a trigger shit. I
PamHemphill79 (01:01:21): Think that's a recording. I don't even know if that's a real person. I think it's a recording.
Marine4America (01:01:25): I know gets him so angry. They really just can't. The thing is like Guyer wants to bounce off the question and he wants to ask you about some bullshit, and I have a very, very clear question. He can't even comprehend the question. And then you've got other people like that come in and they just want to rattle off some communist bullshit. Fuck off.
PamHemphill79 (01:01:44): Remember, it's survival. For them. We are destroying their narrative because they have so much shame about what they're supporting, especially the J six criminals. They have to keep the narrative going so they don't ever have to look at what they did see. And we represent putting a light on their lies. Have you ever been caught in a lie? The first thing you want to do is get defensive and attack them. So as soon as we put a light on their lie, that's what they have to do. It's survival. I get it. It's all right. I've been there. I've done it, but it's so much easier to just get on us. Oh, we have a hand up here.
GoldenAnn (01:02:26): I don't know if I'm allowed to speak or not.
Marine4America (01:02:28): Hey, I think it's just you right now. Open floor. How are you doing?
GoldenAnn (01:02:33): I'm good. I would like to listen to a space tonight that Pam is speaking and you not giving her permission to speak because you just did when she tried to speak. You go, oh, oh yeah, go ahead, Pam. It would be nice because it is her space. You're just a co-host. You're supposed to monitor the hands and not debate every single speaker that comes in because we want to hear what she has to say, not you because we don't know you. You're kind of a non-starter. So I would appreciate that. So I can hear everybody else and Pam's responses instead of your opinion, because your opinion doesn't matter versus hearing her.
Marine4America (01:03:23): Please. I appreciate that and agree.
PamHemphill79 (01:03:30): I understand that. However, again, Marine is able to put things better than me.
GoldenAnn (01:03:38): No, because Pam, no one knows better than you. And I apologize for interrupting you, but no one can speak for you. You guys haven't known each other that long. You haven't known each other for years, and he shouldn't speak for you. You are perfectly capable for standing on your own two feet. You don't need him to do it for you.
PamHemphill79 (01:03:58): Well, I hear you. I don't want to change it though right now. It's okay. But I appreciate that.
Marine4America (01:04:04): Yeah, no, that's the thing is I love shooting down bullshit so that Pam can speak. And there's been a lot of people who I disagree with on here for one reason or another who speak for a while.
GuyerDigital (01:04:21): So Marine, how many women in your life have shut you down and you completely just disregard what they say?
Marine4America (01:04:28): They shut me down and I disregard what they say. Many, many own. No many, many, many.
PamHemphill79 (01:04:33): No,
Marine4America (01:04:33): Not I'm quite misogynistic actually,
PamHemphill79 (01:04:36): Marine, I'm not going to allow them to target you. We're going to stay.
Marine4America (01:04:38): No, it's okay. I'll own this
PamHemphill79 (01:04:39): Topic.M
arine4America (01:04:40): I'll own it though. That's the thing. And that's what fucks them up is like, yeah, I'm plenty misogynistic. I'm a gamer, bro.
PamHemphill79 (01:04:46): Yeah, let's split Pam and Mar up, right? Let's get 'em fighting. I'm
GoldenAnn (01:04:52): Not going to go there, Pam. Honestly, I wasn't trying to do that. Well,
PamHemphill79 (01:04:56): Look, when
GoldenAnn (01:04:56): I
PamHemphill79 (01:04:56): Tell Maren I need to talk, he shuts down.
GoldenAnn (01:05:00): Yeah, because the past few spaces have been unbearable because it's been your panel versus you speaking and we don't care about the panel. We want to talk to you and hear from you, and they're not inside your head. They don't know your full history and your thoughts and how you feel now versus then. So it's nice to be able to bring up one speaker at a time and you discuss things. Marine, he has his own thing that he wants to do and to battle everybody, but it doesn't have to be a battle. We can hear from you.
GuyerDigital (01:05:41): I say we let Marine give his own space and give his own peace of mind and run his own space rather than trying to jump in on Pam's and Drift off of Pam.
PamHemphill79 (01:05:49): Oh my god, Marine, this is just
Marine4America (01:05:55): Maybe
PamHemphill79 (01:05:57): Insane. No, he's dead.
GuyerDigital (01:05:59): He's got 189 followers. He's got 243. He's following. Oh,
PamHemphill79 (01:06:03): Let's get that going. We're going to make sure he gets more then. That's
Marine4America (01:06:06): Not the game I'm playing though. I really don't care.
GuyerDigital (01:06:08): Then what game are you playing then Brad?
Marine4America (01:06:10): I just want to talk people. This is not about Marine
PamHemphill79 (01:06:12): Modern
GuyerDigital (01:06:13): Warfare too
Marine4America (01:06:14): Right now. No ball pit because my fucking computer's over overheating, so I got to
GuyerDigital (01:06:18): Play
Marine4America (01:06:19): On my tablet.
GuyerDigital (01:06:19): You're what, 40 something years old playing video games still?
Marine4America (01:06:21): No thirties,
GuyerDigital (01:06:23): Your thirties something years old playing video games. Still
Marine4America (01:06:25): I'll play games until I die.
PamHemphill79 (01:06:28): Who would like to come up and talk about issues and not each other? I'm here. Ask questions. Nobody's,
GuyerDigital (01:06:39): How much does a basement cost at your mommy's house in New York
Marine4America (01:06:44): Or
GuyerDigital (01:06:44): Philadelphia?
Marine4America (01:06:47): Basement. In my mommy's house.
GuyerDigital (01:06:48): Yeah. How much do you pay monthly?Marine4America (01:06:50): I lived at my friend's house and his dad gave me a really good deal for 300 bucks a month and I used that to save up and then I got a apartment in the city after I shorted GameStop,
GuyerDigital (01:07:04): How do you like living in a communist city?
Marine4America (01:07:07): I love Philadelphia. It's the most patriotic city in the whole fucking country.
GuyerDigital (01:07:12): Pam. You should go there and hang out with all those patriots then.
PamHemphill79 (01:07:19): Oh, if I'd stayed with Mega, I'd be a millionaire by now. Visiting Trump probably once a month. Right. Have a lot of money. I That's all this J Sixers. That's all they've been doing since I was with them is Grifting and getting money for lying.
PamHemphill79 (01:07:37): Good.
GuyerDigital (01:07:38): Who's getting all the money? I want to know.
PamHemphill79 (01:07:40): That's what turned my, that was one incident. I had two, the main incidents that got me to get away from mega when I found out that he had lied about his eye. Ryan Samsel had lied about his eye being taken out in jail. I wanted to go and advocate for him. Found out he had lied, but his gifts sent in Go, went up $40,000 that day within a few hours of the article going out and I thought, oh my God, they lied just to get money. They stayed.
GuyerDigital (01:08:13): What did you lie about? What did you lie about and actually lose in court?
PamHemphill79 (01:08:18): Never lied about nothing.
GuyerDigital (01:08:19): You lied about somebody assaulting you.
PamHemphill79 (01:08:22): Aren't you think I would've been in trouble for that from the judge and the da?
GuyerDigital (01:08:27): No.
PamHemphill79 (01:08:28): That's your opinion and that's a smear. So stop it
GuyerDigital (01:08:32): Then was into court of law that you were not assaulted.
PamHemphill79 (01:08:36): No. You don't know what happened if you knew you'd be a journalist.
Marine4America (01:08:40): New law. Was that a civic or a criminal trial?
PamHemphill79 (01:08:43): No. What happened? He claimed he did. He hit this other lady that he had a light on his face and he got mad and slapped her phone out. He did not want to press charges because of the doxing. Right. You have to give out your name and address. But what he did, he had hit my hand too and knocked the phone out, but he claimed that he didn't mean to hit me. So there's a new law out. You know how you pepper spray somebody, but you get the person behind them. Right? That's what he was claiming about me. But I know better and the video showed it, but however, they didn't know his background. They didn't know my background. Now they did with Nick Sawyer. All his background went out, all her background. They didn't know he spent 20 years in prison. They didn't know that he broke into the Portland
GuyerDigital (01:09:34): Capitol. Nick Sorter spent 20 years in prison. He's only 25
PamHemphill79 (01:09:37): Years old. I'm talking about my case.
GuyerDigital (01:09:42): Oh,
Marine4America (01:09:43): Pam, was your case a criminal or a civil trial?
PamHemphill79 (01:09:47): No, it was criminal and he won. He won.
Marine4America (01:09:52): That's probably why,
PamHemphill79 (01:09:53): Because it couldn't prove that he intentionally on purpose tried to hit me. That's a hard, that was a hard one to prove. Yeah. Unless the lady that first got hit had been there too.
Marine4America (01:10:07): Yeah. It doesn't necessarily mean that Pam's lying or any of the evidence is fabricated or presented wrong. Just it's a very, very high bar to clear that he has that intent to do that video. That's why I'm not,
GuyerDigital (01:10:19): Because you said you were assaulted. Do you know what assault is in Portland?
Marine4America (01:10:22): Well, she was in her
GuyerDigital (01:10:23): Point
Marine4America (01:10:23): Of view. Do
GuyerDigital (01:10:23): You know what the statute of assault is in Portland? Marine?
Marine4America (01:10:26): I don't think she was speaking as a lawyer. I think she was just speaking as a woman who got hit by some shit and
GuyerDigital (01:10:31): Was
Marine4America (01:10:31): Upset about that. I don't know.
GuyerDigital (01:10:32): Okay. You said you were assaulted. You weren't assaulted, maybe harassed, but you weren't assaulted. Did you have have Bodi injury? Pam? Pam, did you have bodily injury?
PamHemphill79 (01:10:41): His hand hit my hand. Look, I talked to
GuyerDigital (01:10:43): The Did you have bodily injury?
PamHemphill79 (01:10:44): Talked to me and the DA talked about this for weeks. I don't even talk to you. Did bodily injury. You know nothing about law. I don't explain shit to you. It's over. The case is over bodily injury.
Marine4America (01:10:55): That doesn't have to meet that for her to claim. That
GuyerDigital (01:10:58): Says it does because if somebody causes you bodily injury, then it's classified as an assault. If it's not caused on bodily injury, it's classified harassment
PamHemphill79 (01:11:05): Put down
GuyerDigital (01:11:06): To
PamHemphill79 (01:11:06): Arrest me,
GuyerDigital (01:11:06): Mul County. And I would know that,
Marine4America (01:11:08): Right? He was found not guilty of this, right? Is that
PamHemphill79 (01:11:11): What this is? Yeah. If I hit your arm, that's not assault, right guys?
GuyerDigital (01:11:15): No, it's harassment.
PamHemphill79 (01:11:16): Oh, I can hit your arm next time I see you then, right?
GuyerDigital (01:11:20): No, because you can't touch me. If you touch me then that's called harassment.
PamHemphill79 (01:11:24): Oh, that's all it is. It's not an assault,
GuyerDigital (01:11:26): But if you cause bodily harm to me, then it's assault.
PamHemphill79 (01:11:29): Oh, I have to break your arm first.
Marine4America (01:11:32): I don't trust your reading of law. I'm not going to lie
GuyerDigital (01:11:34): To be classified as an assault. So when people say he assaulted me, he assaulted me. That's not an assault.
Marine4America (01:11:40): Yeah, but most people say that aren't citing. Yeah, they're not citing the law book when they say that. They're usually it as an expression of, well, I was armed in some way. Why do
GuyerDigital (01:11:49): They're unclear of what the law actually
Marine4America (01:11:50): Is. No shit. Thank you. So
GuyerDigital (01:11:53): Pam said, you a assaulted
PamHemphill79 (01:11:54): Me, but guy,
GuyerDigital (01:11:55): So you're clear of what the law actually is.
PamHemphill79 (01:11:57): The DA already explained all this
GuyerDigital (01:11:59): Before you come down here and try to explain lot to people.
PamHemphill79 (01:12:02): Guy, I'm talking to you.
Marine4America (01:12:04): I did
GuyerDigital (01:12:04): Not mean to mean you. Im sorry.
PamHemphill79 (01:12:06): The DA already explained all this shit to me. I know what you're talking about. That's why I was upset and he didn't get assault. He said it's not assault. He explained it. I don't know laws. What's wrong with you?
GuyerDigital (01:12:19): Okay, so we agree on something.
PamHemphill79 (01:12:22): I agreed with the da. The DA knows the laws. You don't.
Marine4America (01:12:26): We agree on a lot of shit. My guy. This attack posture that you're in is,
GuyerDigital (01:12:30): Did you just assume my gender as a guy?
Marine4America (01:12:32): Yeah, I did because you sound a little gay, but I mean you sound like a dude, but you never addressed my original question. We're getting so fucking deep in the weeds. Yeah, let's move. Did
GuyerDigital (01:12:45): I do my research on January 6th? No, I didn't. I don't fucking care about what you have to say.
Marine4America (01:12:49): You don't even have to. What I asked is just a general common sense question.
GuyerDigital (01:12:52): Nobody does. And they're telling you to shut the hell up in this chat anyways, let the people speak. Jennifer's got her hand up. You're a cohost. You should know that.
PamHemphill79 (01:12:58): I'm the only one that could tell him what to do.
Marine4America (01:13:01): Jennifer, you're up,
GuyerDigital (01:13:02): Right? Because you've made him his
Marine4America (01:13:04): Hey guy, are you? Shut the fuck up, Jennifer. You're up.
Jennifer (01:13:09): Hey Pam. So I just wanted to come up and tell you that while I am on the MAGA camp, I definitely do not agree with the way people treat you, and I really appreciate that you opened these spaces for everyone and I enjoy listening to them. And as for the case that you went to a simple battery is a touch or strike someone. And I know that from the statute well in my state anyway, but yeah, it doesn't really matter at this point. I just wanted to tell you that I appreciate that you opened this space up for everyone and hopefully people can continue to come to the table and be kind to one another. You guys have a great night. Thanks.
PamHemphill79 (01:13:53): Well I appreciate that. Thank you, Jennifer. I'm saying the serenity prayer.
GuyerDigital (01:14:12): God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
Marine4America (01:14:17): To make sure you say it right,
GuyerDigital (01:14:18): Things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.
PamHemphill79 (01:14:26): I don't like trying to get somebody thought. I'm not you. I mean, I don't enjoy trying to make somebody look like they're lying or telling the truth. That doesn't get us anywhere. It really doesn't. It's just a hate thing.
Marine4America (01:14:40): It's fun. It's like it is. You get in the mud and you just own somebody and I get it.
PamHemphill79 (01:14:46): Well, you got to treat people, people.
GuyerDigital (01:14:47): I'm to call it owning. In your opinion, what are you calling owning people? Marine? Everything instead has been shut.
Marine4America (01:14:54): What you continually trying to do right now, we can hear it in your voice. We really can. You're so fucking elevated. Calm down,
PamHemphill79 (01:15:02): Treat people how you want to be treated, right?
GuyerDigital (01:15:07): What are we in middle school?
PamHemphill79 (01:15:10): It's a spiritual principle.
Marine4America (01:15:12): It's pretty good role,
GuyerDigital (01:15:17): Right? So what have you owned, Marinie? I'm asking how are you owning people in this space? Is that your goal by owning people to stroke your ego?
Marine4America (01:15:24): No. Only thing I've owned is a car I rent.
GuyerDigital (01:15:27): Well, let me guess. Let me guess what kind of car you drive. Okay,
PamHemphill79 (01:15:31): Marine, don't continue this conversation with him as abuse. He's
GuyerDigital (01:15:35): Abusing you Grand Cherokee, but it's like a 2012.
Marine4America (01:15:40): No, no.
GuyerDigital (01:15:43): Am I close?
Marine4America (01:15:44): No, no, it's not new, but it's not old,
GuyerDigital (01:15:50): Right? Because communists can't afford new
Marine4America (01:15:53): Jennifer.
PamHemphill79 (01:15:54): Wait, Marine, hold on. Jennifer Guy, tell me what communist is. Give me a definition of communist. A lot of people don't even know what it is.
GuyerDigital (01:16:04): Do you want my definition of communism or do you want the actual definition of communism?
PamHemphill79 (01:16:09): Oh my God,
Marine4America (01:16:11): I prefer just an off the cuff. What you mean when you say communism? To be honest, I hate getting bogged down into, well, the definition is this. I really don't care. Say what you mean fascism?
PamHemphill79 (01:16:22): Yeah, fascism is not communism.
GuyerDigital (01:16:29): So basically what communism is, if you guys really want to know what communism is at its core, communism is like a socioeconomic and political ideology that kind of advocates for a classless stateless society and the means of production such as factories, land and resources are owned and controlled by the community as a whole rather than private individuals. That's what communism is. But then you have communist state and then you have dictatorship and control, which goes hand in hand with communism because the community, they say the community owns it, but the community really doesn't own it. Have you been to a communist state? Look how communism has worked. Socialism may work within a group of maybe like 15, 20 people, but it's equity versus equality.
Marine4America (01:01:09): So how do
Recording (01:01:09): I know you're not a foreign shut?
Marine4America (01:01:13): Foreign Shut
Recording (01:01:14): The up. Not
Marine4America (01:01:15): Talking to you actually do you are a trigger shit. I
PamHemphill79 (01:01:21): Think that's a recording. I don't even know if that's a real person. I think it's a recording.
Marine4America (01:01:25): I know gets him so angry. They really just can't. The thing is like Guyer wants to bounce off the question and he wants to ask you about some bullshit, and I have a very, very clear question. He can't even comprehend the question. And then you've got other people like that come in and they just want to rattle off some communist bullshit. Fuck off.
PamHemphill79 (01:01:44): Remember, it's survival. For them. We are destroying their narrative because they have so much shame about what they're supporting, especially the J six criminals. They have to keep the narrative going so they don't ever have to look at what they did see. And we represent putting a light on their lies. Have you ever been caught in a lie? The first thing you want to do is get defensive and attack them. So as soon as we put a light on their lie, that's what they have to do. It's survival. I get it. It's all right. I've been there. I've done it, but it's so much easier to just get on us. Oh, we have a hand up here.
GoldenAnn (01:02:26): I don't know if I'm allowed to speak or not.
Marine4America (01:02:28): Hey, I think it's just you right now. Open floor. How are you doing?
GoldenAnn (01:02:33): I'm good. I would like to listen to a space tonight that Pam is speaking and you not giving her permission to speak because you just did when she tried to speak. You go, oh, oh yeah, go ahead, Pam. It would be nice because it is her space. You're just a co-host. You're supposed to monitor the hands and not debate every single speaker that comes in because we want to hear what she has to say, not you because we don't know you. You're kind of a non-starter. So I would appreciate that. So I can hear everybody else and Pam's responses instead of your opinion, because your opinion doesn't matter versus hearing her.
Marine4America (01:03:23): Please. I appreciate that and agree.
PamHemphill79 (01:03:30): I understand that. However, again, Marine is able to put things better than me.
GoldenAnn (01:03:38): No, because Pam, no one knows better than you. And I apologize for interrupting you, but no one can speak for you. You guys haven't known each other that long. You haven't known each other for years, and he shouldn't speak for you. You are perfectly capable for standing on your own two feet. You don't need him to do it for you.
PamHemphill79 (01:03:58): Well, I hear you. I don't want to change it though right now. It's okay. But I appreciate that.
Marine4America (01:04:04): Yeah, no, that's the thing is I love shooting down bullshit so that Pam can speak. And there's been a lot of people who I disagree with on here for one reason or another who speak for a while.
GuyerDigital (01:04:21): So Marine, how many women in your life have shut you down and you completely just disregard what they say?
Marine4America (01:04:28): They shut me down and I disregard what they say. Many, many own. No many, many, many.
PamHemphill79 (01:04:33): No,
Marine4America (01:04:33): Not I'm quite misogynistic actually,
PamHemphill79 (01:04:36): Marine, I'm not going to allow them to target you. We're going to stay.
Marine4America (01:04:38): No, it's okay. I'll own this
PamHemphill79 (01:04:39): Topic.M
arine4America (01:04:40): I'll own it though. That's the thing. And that's what fucks them up is like, yeah, I'm plenty misogynistic. I'm a gamer, bro.
PamHemphill79 (01:04:46): Yeah, let's split Pam and Mar up, right? Let's get 'em fighting. I'm
GoldenAnn (01:04:52): Not going to go there, Pam. Honestly, I wasn't trying to do that. Well,
PamHemphill79 (01:04:56): Look, when
GoldenAnn (01:04:56): I
PamHemphill79 (01:04:56): Tell Maren I need to talk, he shuts down.
GoldenAnn (01:05:00): Yeah, because the past few spaces have been unbearable because it's been your panel versus you speaking and we don't care about the panel. We want to talk to you and hear from you, and they're not inside your head. They don't know your full history and your thoughts and how you feel now versus then. So it's nice to be able to bring up one speaker at a time and you discuss things. Marine, he has his own thing that he wants to do and to battle everybody, but it doesn't have to be a battle. We can hear from you.
GuyerDigital (01:05:41): I say we let Marine give his own space and give his own peace of mind and run his own space rather than trying to jump in on Pam's and Drift off of Pam.
PamHemphill79 (01:05:49): Oh my god, Marine, this is just
Marine4America (01:05:55): Maybe
PamHemphill79 (01:05:57): Insane. No, he's dead.
GuyerDigital (01:05:59): He's got 189 followers. He's got 243. He's following. Oh,
PamHemphill79 (01:06:03): Let's get that going. We're going to make sure he gets more then. That's
Marine4America (01:06:06): Not the game I'm playing though. I really don't care.
GuyerDigital (01:06:08): Then what game are you playing then Brad?
Marine4America (01:06:10): I just want to talk people. This is not about Marine
PamHemphill79 (01:06:12): Modern
GuyerDigital (01:06:13): Warfare too
Marine4America (01:06:14): Right now. No ball pit because my fucking computer's over overheating, so I got to
GuyerDigital (01:06:18): Play
Marine4America (01:06:19): On my tablet.
GuyerDigital (01:06:19): You're what, 40 something years old playing video games still?
Marine4America (01:06:21): No thirties,
GuyerDigital (01:06:23): Your thirties something years old playing video games. Still
Marine4America (01:06:25): I'll play games until I die.
PamHemphill79 (01:06:28): Who would like to come up and talk about issues and not each other? I'm here. Ask questions. Nobody's,
GuyerDigital (01:06:39): How much does a basement cost at your mommy's house in New York
Marine4America (01:06:44): Or
GuyerDigital (01:06:44): Philadelphia?
Marine4America (01:06:47): Basement. In my mommy's house.
GuyerDigital (01:06:48): Yeah. How much do you pay monthly?Marine4America (01:06:50): I lived at my friend's house and his dad gave me a really good deal for 300 bucks a month and I used that to save up and then I got a apartment in the city after I shorted GameStop,
GuyerDigital (01:07:04): How do you like living in a communist city?
Marine4America (01:07:07): I love Philadelphia. It's the most patriotic city in the whole fucking country.
GuyerDigital (01:07:12): Pam. You should go there and hang out with all those patriots then.
PamHemphill79 (01:07:19): Oh, if I'd stayed with Mega, I'd be a millionaire by now. Visiting Trump probably once a month. Right. Have a lot of money. I That's all this J Sixers. That's all they've been doing since I was with them is Grifting and getting money for lying.
PamHemphill79 (01:07:37): Good.
GuyerDigital (01:07:38): Who's getting all the money? I want to know.
PamHemphill79 (01:07:40): That's what turned my, that was one incident. I had two, the main incidents that got me to get away from mega when I found out that he had lied about his eye. Ryan Samsel had lied about his eye being taken out in jail. I wanted to go and advocate for him. Found out he had lied, but his gifts sent in Go, went up $40,000 that day within a few hours of the article going out and I thought, oh my God, they lied just to get money. They stayed.
GuyerDigital (01:08:13): What did you lie about? What did you lie about and actually lose in court?
PamHemphill79 (01:08:18): Never lied about nothing.
GuyerDigital (01:08:19): You lied about somebody assaulting you.
PamHemphill79 (01:08:22): Aren't you think I would've been in trouble for that from the judge and the da?
GuyerDigital (01:08:27): No.
PamHemphill79 (01:08:28): That's your opinion and that's a smear. So stop it
GuyerDigital (01:08:32): Then was into court of law that you were not assaulted.
PamHemphill79 (01:08:36): No. You don't know what happened if you knew you'd be a journalist.
Marine4America (01:08:40): New law. Was that a civic or a criminal trial?
PamHemphill79 (01:08:43): No. What happened? He claimed he did. He hit this other lady that he had a light on his face and he got mad and slapped her phone out. He did not want to press charges because of the doxing. Right. You have to give out your name and address. But what he did, he had hit my hand too and knocked the phone out, but he claimed that he didn't mean to hit me. So there's a new law out. You know how you pepper spray somebody, but you get the person behind them. Right? That's what he was claiming about me. But I know better and the video showed it, but however, they didn't know his background. They didn't know my background. Now they did with Nick Sawyer. All his background went out, all her background. They didn't know he spent 20 years in prison. They didn't know that he broke into the Portland
GuyerDigital (01:09:34): Capitol. Nick Sorter spent 20 years in prison. He's only 25
PamHemphill79 (01:09:37): Years old. I'm talking about my case.
GuyerDigital (01:09:42): Oh,
Marine4America (01:09:43): Pam, was your case a criminal or a civil trial?
PamHemphill79 (01:09:47): No, it was criminal and he won. He won.
Marine4America (01:09:52): That's probably why,
PamHemphill79 (01:09:53): Because it couldn't prove that he intentionally on purpose tried to hit me. That's a hard, that was a hard one to prove. Yeah. Unless the lady that first got hit had been there too.
Marine4America (01:10:07): Yeah. It doesn't necessarily mean that Pam's lying or any of the evidence is fabricated or presented wrong. Just it's a very, very high bar to clear that he has that intent to do that video. That's why I'm not,
GuyerDigital (01:10:19): Because you said you were assaulted. Do you know what assault is in Portland?
Marine4America (01:10:22): Well, she was in her
GuyerDigital (01:10:23): Point
Marine4America (01:10:23): Of view. Do
GuyerDigital (01:10:23): You know what the statute of assault is in Portland? Marine?
Marine4America (01:10:26): I don't think she was speaking as a lawyer. I think she was just speaking as a woman who got hit by some shit and
GuyerDigital (01:10:31): Was
Marine4America (01:10:31): Upset about that. I don't know.
GuyerDigital (01:10:32): Okay. You said you were assaulted. You weren't assaulted, maybe harassed, but you weren't assaulted. Did you have have Bodi injury? Pam? Pam, did you have bodily injury?
PamHemphill79 (01:10:41): His hand hit my hand. Look, I talked to
GuyerDigital (01:10:43): The Did you have bodily injury?
PamHemphill79 (01:10:44): Talked to me and the DA talked about this for weeks. I don't even talk to you. Did bodily injury. You know nothing about law. I don't explain shit to you. It's over. The case is over bodily injury.
Marine4America (01:10:55): That doesn't have to meet that for her to claim. That
GuyerDigital (01:10:58): Says it does because if somebody causes you bodily injury, then it's classified as an assault. If it's not caused on bodily injury, it's classified harassment
PamHemphill79 (01:11:05): Put down
GuyerDigital (01:11:06): To
PamHemphill79 (01:11:06): Arrest me,
GuyerDigital (01:11:06): Mul County. And I would know that,
Marine4America (01:11:08): Right? He was found not guilty of this, right? Is that
PamHemphill79 (01:11:11): What this is? Yeah. If I hit your arm, that's not assault, right guys?
GuyerDigital (01:11:15): No, it's harassment.
PamHemphill79 (01:11:16): Oh, I can hit your arm next time I see you then, right?
GuyerDigital (01:11:20): No, because you can't touch me. If you touch me then that's called harassment.
PamHemphill79 (01:11:24): Oh, that's all it is. It's not an assault,
GuyerDigital (01:11:26): But if you cause bodily harm to me, then it's assault.
PamHemphill79 (01:11:29): Oh, I have to break your arm first.
Marine4America (01:11:32): I don't trust your reading of law. I'm not going to lie
GuyerDigital (01:11:34): To be classified as an assault. So when people say he assaulted me, he assaulted me. That's not an assault.
Marine4America (01:11:40): Yeah, but most people say that aren't citing. Yeah, they're not citing the law book when they say that. They're usually it as an expression of, well, I was armed in some way. Why do
GuyerDigital (01:11:49): They're unclear of what the law actually
Marine4America (01:11:50): Is. No shit. Thank you. So
GuyerDigital (01:11:53): Pam said, you a assaulted
PamHemphill79 (01:11:54): Me, but guy,
GuyerDigital (01:11:55): So you're clear of what the law actually is.
PamHemphill79 (01:11:57): The DA already explained all this
GuyerDigital (01:11:59): Before you come down here and try to explain lot to people.
PamHemphill79 (01:12:02): Guy, I'm talking to you.
Marine4America (01:12:04): I did
GuyerDigital (01:12:04): Not mean to mean you. Im sorry.
PamHemphill79 (01:12:06): The DA already explained all this shit to me. I know what you're talking about. That's why I was upset and he didn't get assault. He said it's not assault. He explained it. I don't know laws. What's wrong with you?
GuyerDigital (01:12:19): Okay, so we agree on something.
PamHemphill79 (01:12:22): I agreed with the da. The DA knows the laws. You don't.
Marine4America (01:12:26): We agree on a lot of shit. My guy. This attack posture that you're in is,
GuyerDigital (01:12:30): Did you just assume my gender as a guy?
Marine4America (01:12:32): Yeah, I did because you sound a little gay, but I mean you sound like a dude, but you never addressed my original question. We're getting so fucking deep in the weeds. Yeah, let's move. Did
GuyerDigital (01:12:45): I do my research on January 6th? No, I didn't. I don't fucking care about what you have to say.
Marine4America (01:12:49): You don't even have to. What I asked is just a general common sense question.
GuyerDigital (01:12:52): Nobody does. And they're telling you to shut the hell up in this chat anyways, let the people speak. Jennifer's got her hand up. You're a cohost. You should know that.
PamHemphill79 (01:12:58): I'm the only one that could tell him what to do.
Marine4America (01:13:01): Jennifer, you're up,
GuyerDigital (01:13:02): Right? Because you've made him his
Marine4America (01:13:04): Hey guy, are you? Shut the fuck up, Jennifer. You're up.
Jennifer (01:13:09): Hey Pam. So I just wanted to come up and tell you that while I am on the MAGA camp, I definitely do not agree with the way people treat you, and I really appreciate that you opened these spaces for everyone and I enjoy listening to them. And as for the case that you went to a simple battery is a touch or strike someone. And I know that from the statute well in my state anyway, but yeah, it doesn't really matter at this point. I just wanted to tell you that I appreciate that you opened this space up for everyone and hopefully people can continue to come to the table and be kind to one another. You guys have a great night. Thanks.
PamHemphill79 (01:13:53): Well I appreciate that. Thank you, Jennifer. I'm saying the serenity prayer.
GuyerDigital (01:14:12): God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change
Marine4America (01:14:17): To make sure you say it right,
GuyerDigital (01:14:18): Things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.
PamHemphill79 (01:14:26): I don't like trying to get somebody thought. I'm not you. I mean, I don't enjoy trying to make somebody look like they're lying or telling the truth. That doesn't get us anywhere. It really doesn't. It's just a hate thing.
Marine4America (01:14:40): It's fun. It's like it is. You get in the mud and you just own somebody and I get it.
PamHemphill79 (01:14:46): Well, you got to treat people, people.
GuyerDigital (01:14:47): I'm to call it owning. In your opinion, what are you calling owning people? Marine? Everything instead has been shut.
Marine4America (01:14:54): What you continually trying to do right now, we can hear it in your voice. We really can. You're so fucking elevated. Calm down,
PamHemphill79 (01:15:02): Treat people how you want to be treated, right?
GuyerDigital (01:15:07): What are we in middle school?
PamHemphill79 (01:15:10): It's a spiritual principle.
Marine4America (01:15:12): It's pretty good role,
GuyerDigital (01:15:17): Right? So what have you owned, Marinie? I'm asking how are you owning people in this space? Is that your goal by owning people to stroke your ego?
Marine4America (01:15:24): No. Only thing I've owned is a car I rent.
GuyerDigital (01:15:27): Well, let me guess. Let me guess what kind of car you drive. Okay,
PamHemphill79 (01:15:31): Marine, don't continue this conversation with him as abuse. He's
GuyerDigital (01:15:35): Abusing you Grand Cherokee, but it's like a 2012.
Marine4America (01:15:40): No, no.
GuyerDigital (01:15:43): Am I close?
Marine4America (01:15:44): No, no, it's not new, but it's not old,
GuyerDigital (01:15:50): Right? Because communists can't afford new
Marine4America (01:15:53): Jennifer.
PamHemphill79 (01:15:54): Wait, Marine, hold on. Jennifer Guy, tell me what communist is. Give me a definition of communist. A lot of people don't even know what it is.
GuyerDigital (01:16:04): Do you want my definition of communism or do you want the actual definition of communism?
PamHemphill79 (01:16:09): Oh my God,
Marine4America (01:16:11): I prefer just an off the cuff. What you mean when you say communism? To be honest, I hate getting bogged down into, well, the definition is this. I really don't care. Say what you mean fascism?
PamHemphill79 (01:16:22): Yeah, fascism is not communism.
GuyerDigital (01:16:29): So basically what communism is, if you guys really want to know what communism is at its core, communism is like a socioeconomic and political ideology that kind of advocates for a classless stateless society and the means of production such as factories, land and resources are owned and controlled by the community as a whole rather than private individuals. That's what communism is. But then you have communist state and then you have dictatorship and control, which goes hand in hand with communism because the community, they say the community owns it, but the community really doesn't own it. Have you been to a communist state? Look how communism has worked. Socialism may work within a group of maybe like 15, 20 people, but it's equity versus equality.
PamHemphill79 (01:17:26): Okay, go ahead Jennifer.
Jennifer (01:17:29): So this question is for you, Pam. The other night when there was a person, a lady that came in and she says, she talked about how she was the lady that runs the military space or whatever and and so I think that's a really good question to pose and I don't know if I heard your answer, but I'd really like to know when you see someone on the street, for example, she said driving in a car, are you going to look and see if they have a Trump sticker or a Biden sticker or whoever, or are you going to be a decent human and go with the flow of traffic and let that person merge in regardless? And the same question of you're in public and certainly a stranger, you're not going to treat them differently based on you because can't tell of what they vote for. And so where does the humanity lie with you? And so that's my question.
GuyerDigital (01:18:31): Come to Oregon, you can definitely tell who voted for who.
PamHemphill79 (01:18:35): Well, part of my 12 steps includes taking a daily inventory and admitting look over your day and see if there's any four step. It's the 10th step.
Marine4America (01:18:52): Let her answer.
PamHemphill79 (01:18:53): It's to see if you shut
GuyerDigital (01:18:54): The fuck up. Marine, don't tell me what to do.
PamHemphill79 (01:18:56): It's to see. Can
Jennifer (01:18:56): You guys both be quiet so she can answer? I'm
PamHemphill79 (01:18:59): Talking. Yeah, I mute every, you have to look over your day at night and let's say you were just, I'll give an example. You were rude to the cashier and maybe a little hostile, something like that happened that day and you take a look at it and say, oh my God, do I own amends? Do I need to go back and apologize or whatever it is you did. You brought harm to somebody else and to yourself. I'm not even brought under you eating the wrong food or I don't know. I don't examples right now, but yeah, of course I have to. Not everybody has to do what I have to do because see, for me, I have to stay sober. I don't ever want to drink again. I remember where I come from. I remember being so drunk on the ground like you would see the people in Portland laying on the ground. I remember being there. I know what happened to me from my alcoholism. I never want to go back and I don't do these things to be a good person. I consider myself a sick person that's getting well, not a bad person that's getting good because I don't know how to do it.
GuyerDigital (01:20:10): Takes 40 years to get well, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (01:20:12): It takes a lot.
Jennifer (01:20:14): That's low. You know what Guyer, you seem to know about the 12 steps and the Serenity Prayer and all of that comes from aa? I do. So you have an addiction. Let me ask you something. Do you have an addiction problem as well? Have you been through addiction? I don't.
GuyerDigital (01:20:27): Addiction problem? Actually
Jennifer (01:20:29): You don't. So don't talk about something you don't know because you never walked. You haven't walked in her shoes. I talk about myself.
GuyerDigital (01:20:34): The addiction was just the fricking, the side effect of everything.
Jennifer (01:20:39): Do not talk about someone else. Number
GuyerDigital (01:20:41): Number one, we admit that we are powerless. Two guy, keep going.
PamHemphill79 (01:20:46): Guy, you're interrupting. I wasn't even done. It's a day at a time. It's progress, not perfection. I'm so grateful that that was put in the book. I will never hit perfection. I don't want to have perfection anyway, but we practice these principles to the best of our ability. One day at a time you're going to fall, but you don't drink over your mistakes. You look at your mistakes, you write about 'em, you talk about 'em, you share 'em with others, you make amends and you try to do better the next time. That's all you don't beat yourself up because you're not perfect. We're all going to have this happen to us in our lives, but we don't get morbid reflection. Like look at our past and go, oh my God, look what I did. I'm such a horrible person. Oh, we just look at it and say, how can I do better next time? How can I make amends for what I did? So January 6th, that's what it was about for me. Working those 12 steps on January 6th, admitting I was wrong. No victim, don't play victim. I was hanging on to, well, I wouldn't have heard of officer. I wouldn't have pushed a barrier. Bullshit. Come on Pam, get rid of the victim. You broke the law. It's that simple. That's why I didn't take the pardon.
Marine4America (01:22:08): I just want to add one thing to what Pam said. I've never done any 12 steps, but I was in a veteran's harm reduction group and it's got similar idea where it's like a lot of people, especially people who struggle sometimes if it's something like alcohol or maybe even marijuana where it's on the lighter side, they're not overly abusing it. Sometimes these things, there's a level where
GuyerDigital (01:22:33): Alcohol isn't on the lighter side. Alcohol kills more people.
Marine4America (01:22:36): It doesGuyerDigital (01:22:36): Such a bad,
Marine4America (01:22:37): Yeah, I didn't mean to withdrawal
GuyerDigital (01:22:39): ProcessMarine4America (01:22:40): More
GuyerDigital (01:22:40): Than almost
Marine4America (01:22:41): Any
GuyerDigital (01:22:41): Drug,
Marine4America (01:22:42): But now the point is is that a lot of people are at the point where that's all they rely on A lot of people. That's what they rely on. And as long as that can get them to tomorrow where they don't drink or they don't use a better future. That's good. That's the whole point. And just reducing harm. And anybody should look into that. Did somebody else,
GuyerDigital (01:23:04): Jennifer Icontinue, I want to continue with your hand.
PamHemphill79 (01:23:08): I'm powerless over Guyer and he's making my life unmanageable.
Marine4America (01:23:13): He is all.
GuyerDigital (01:23:14): Oh man, you need to do a whole fourth step on me, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (01:23:16): I do. I'm going to do, I am.
GuyerDigital (01:23:21): So who wrote that book? Do you know that book that you're talking about? Who wrote it?
PamHemphill79 (01:23:25): Who wrote it?
GuyerDigital (01:23:26): Yeah.
Marine4America (01:23:29): Which one?
GuyerDigital (01:23:30): The big book.
Marine4America (01:23:32): The big book. I don't know it.
GuyerDigital (01:23:34): Yeah, the book about Bill W, the big book.
PamHemphill79 (01:23:37): Then there's stories in the back by everybody, but he took no credit for it.
GuyerDigital (01:23:41): Actually Griffith Wilson wrote the book.
PamHemphill79 (01:23:44): That's his name. Bill W Okay. Whatever you want to call him.
GuyerDigital (01:23:47): Yeah,
Marine4America (01:23:49): I don't know this person. Oh yeah, bill W. There you go. Oh, okay. I didn't anything about this.
GuyerDigital (01:23:58): I don't have an addiction problem. I had a problem with myself and I used drugs to mask that problem for myself. Since then, since the 14 years since I have used those drugs, I've done a lot of soul searching and work on myself and I found that the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous are just catching up to God. I read that whole book. I went through the treatment centers, I went through the 12 steps and yes, it got me sober, but it didn't keep me sober. You know what kept me sober? God keeps me sober. Family and community and fellowship and not getting high. That's the number one thing that keeps me sober is just not getting high and understanding why I got high and what I had to do to get high and what I did to other people to get high. And so it doesn't still change the fact that I'm me and it still doesn't change the fact that I'm a human and I'm still going to have addiction issues. Like I'm still going to be addicted to things. Do I think that I'm powerless over my addiction? No, because right now I have power over it. I'm not getting high, so obviously I have power over it. I think the 12 steps of Alcoholics Aynonymous just makes people victims. And it's just a recurring thing and it just sounds like it's recurring and recurring and it sounds like you're just a geriatric bumper sticker.
PamHemphill79 (01:25:17): You know what works for you may not work for me. So live and let live. It doesn't matter to me. I know it's worked for 46 years. Why fix it?
GuyerDigital (01:25:27): It may have kept you off of the alcohol, but it doesn't really seem like it's really doing anything other than that. Pam?
PamHemphill79 (01:25:34): Oh, you don't know
PamHemphill79 (01:25:34): Where I
PamHemphill79 (01:25:35): Come from? Oh my God, no.
Troll (01:25:40): Alright, so
PamHemphill79 (01:25:44): Jennifer,
Jennifer (01:25:45): So Guyer, you say you do have power over your alcohol. Do you think that power comes from you or from God?
GuyerDigital (01:25:53): It's been anointed to me.
Jennifer (01:25:57): Okay,
Marine4America (01:26:00): Alright. I have a problem with that.
PamHemphill79 (01:26:03): I don't blame people for not wanting to stay in the 12 step program because you have to look at yourself. You got to leave victimhood out the door. You can't blame others anymore. You got to take your own inventory and ask yourself, what part did I play in this situation? What was my part? Did I bring this anger towards me by being mean to people? Yeah,
GuyerDigital (01:26:28): You bring it five hours into a city, you honestly probably shouldn't even be in.
PamHemphill79 (01:26:34): Oh, I'm glad I have that much power. Thank you. Take it everywhere throughout the United States.
GuyerDigital (01:26:39): I thought you were
PamHemphill79 (01:26:39): Powerless, Pam. Oh, you said I bring it to Yes, I do bring it there. I do. Yeah, I bring the 12 steps.
Marine4America (01:26:55): So let me look up this fucking thing. I appreciate those questions, Jennifer.
PamHemphill79 (01:27:13): Well, I can tell you Marine, it really is where you have to constantly look at you. You don't take other people's inventory and say, well, they shouldn't have done this or they shouldn't have done that because everybody's doing what they do the best they can. Whether it's right or wrong. To me, life is a class. Some of the times you have to take the same class again. We're learning, we're all growing, we're all making mistakes. I don't know one person that's perfect Port Mount. I know one person I believe was, I call 'em Yeshua, but we're just humans and we're going to make mistakes. And I found a way of life how to live, how to not be perfect. I wanted to be perfect. Remember my sponsor said your halo's going to choke you. You try to act like you're good, you don't have to be anymore. But anyway,
Marine4America (01:28:12): Breaking up just a little bit there Pam.
PamHemphill79 (01:28:15): Maybe my earbuds. I want to get on dismiss January 6th convictions.
Marine4America (01:28:24): What? I'm looking like
PamHemphill79 (01:28:25): It never happened. Or you can talk about another political issue if you'd like to
Marine4America (01:28:31): Filing as an appeals court to vacate the convictions of four members of the proud Boys who acted violently during the January 6th riot. This is as of
GuyerDigital (01:28:43): So what's your goal here, Marine, about uncovering all this stuff and talking about January 6th. What's your intended goal?
Marine4America (01:28:51): So another group, another veterans group I was in is something that talks about moral injury and it's like the idea where especially people who have PTSD or service members who they put themselves into something and then they feel betrayed by what they see and they feel powerless to stop it. Like how we cope. January 6th was like a fucking, I fucking broke me as an American,
GuyerDigital (01:29:26): What did you fight for? Exactly? What did you join the Marines for as an American to go fight for the American thing. What's that American thing that you fought for?
Marine4America (01:29:44): I don't know if I want to go into that right now. There's a lot of things I wanted to do, but I had my options and I went with
GuyerDigital (01:29:54): Does it break your heart to see homeless drug addicts on the street due to policy in your own city that people that you support and vote for true? It does. Does it break your heart as an American to see that as them allowing it to happen and continuing to funnel it to happen? Does it break your heart that people are coming in? Yeah, bad things are bad across the borders of the United States from all different countries just to come and harm little children that are American children that don't even have a clue of what's going on that have the opportunity to have a great life as an American and the people are coming. You see
Marine4America (01:30:31): What I mean by moral injury.
GuyerDigital (01:30:32): And you are in the same space with somebody who protests against people that stopped that.
Marine4America (01:30:37): No,
GuyerDigital (01:30:37): That doesn't break your heart.
Marine4America (01:30:40): No. You're mixing up a lot of things.
GuyerDigital (01:30:42): I'm not,
PamHemphill79 (01:30:43): Yeah, hold on.
GuyerDigital (01:30:45): Okay, let me break it down for you.
PamHemphill79 (01:30:47): Just wait about
GuyerDigital (01:30:49): Myself.
PamHemphill79 (01:30:49): Are you okay with Trump spending all that money for that ballroom? All that money to bomb Iran? No. Are you okay with that? All that money could go for the homeless for cancer research. I mean, come on.
GuyerDigital (01:31:02): I'm not okay with dropping bombs on countries. I'm not.
PamHemphill79 (01:31:05): And what about the money on the ballroom? How much is that?
GuyerDigital (01:31:08): I'm not okay with people homeless spending money on a ballroom. Hey, if something needs to be renovated, it needs to be renovated. But thing here's the thing though. Here's the thing. Lemme break it down for you is Marine, you said that it breaks your heart to see that your own country has betrayed you. Right?
Marine4America (01:31:26): I
GuyerDigital (01:31:26): Don't think that, doesn't it break your heart to see that the people that you host these spaces with are against and call ice the Gestapo when ICE is out there going and taking these people who are coming in and trying to harm these children just because they're Americans who want to live the same American dream that you lived, that you went and fucking caught.
Marine4America (01:31:46): No. Again, you're emotionally loading a lot of shit. Yeah, no,
GuyerDigital (01:31:50): I understand that. I'm not, I'm just asking a question.
PamHemphill79 (01:31:54): These people are not coming in doing that and you know it. Yes they are.
GuyerDigital (01:31:57): Look
PamHemphill79 (01:31:57): At the statistics and
GuyerDigital (01:31:59): Yes they are.
PamHemphill79 (01:31:59): They weren't even targeting criminals at all. That's false information.
GuyerDigital (01:32:04): Nope, you're wrong, Pam. Yes, they are.
Marine4America (01:32:06): People. Why the majority of most
GuyerDigital (01:32:08): People protest illegal children just because they are American white. That
Marine4America (01:32:12): Is not why the majority of people were protesting.GuyerDigital (01:32:17): Wait, what?
Marine4America (01:32:18): I have no idea what you're referring to, but that is not why the majority of Americans are protesting right now.
GuyerDigital (01:32:24): Okay, but Pam, do you like ice? Yes or no? Do you think ice should be a thing? Do you think ice should be in Portland? Because I've heard you say ice out of Portland.
PamHemphill79 (01:32:32): Look and I'm sure there people working their ice who you would like to leave and are not happy with what they're seeing next to their, I believe that it just kind of stuck right now they're probably not sure, but this is not the ice that we know from the past. Trump's ice. Big difference.
Marine4America (01:32:52): Yeah, I'm down with abolishing ice and then when we read it ourselves of this fucking magar rut, we reform this whole thing. We build immigration laws from the ground up and then we have a thing called ice just without this fucking magar rut. I'm fine with immigration enforcement. I am. But again, this is not why most people, people are not protesting to protect the illegals enforcement.
GuyerDigital (01:33:18): Alright, cool.
Marine4America (01:33:18): Most are not, most people aren't protesting to protect the illegals, but
GuyerDigital (01:33:22): It doesn't break your heart that people are coming in and killing American citizens. Got it. Especially if they're children.
Marine4America (01:33:27): Most people, well, I mean I hate to say it, but that is a little bit of status quo. That is bad.
GuyerDigital (01:33:35): Okay.
Marine4America (01:33:36): January 6th was a unique event.
GuyerDigital (01:33:39): So is that
Marine4America (01:33:41): No, it's not.
GuyerDigital (01:33:42): Wait, so it happens all the time.
Marine4America (01:33:44): Border
GuyerDigital (01:33:45): Security.
Marine4America (01:33:46): We've
GuyerDigital (01:33:46): Had
Marine4America (01:33:46): Issues with border security
GuyerDigital (01:33:47): For the better part of specifically because they're American children. That happens all the time. Yes or no?
PamHemphill79 (01:33:52): He's putting up this information. It's not just,
GuyerDigital (01:33:54): No,
Marine4America (01:33:54): I don't
PamHemphill79 (01:33:54): Want to keep hearing this bullshit. Let's go to jail.
GuyerDigital (01:33:57): Do it. It was a single
PamHemphill79 (01:33:59): No, we don't want to hear your crap anymore. I'm sorry.
GuyerDigital (01:34:03): It was
PamHemphill79 (01:34:04): You're not open-minded to go do the statistics and learn some facts. You're spreading your propaganda.
GuyerDigital (01:34:11): What propaganda, Pam?
PamHemphill79 (01:34:12): That they're all coming. You
GuyerDigital (01:34:14): Put everybody in a
PamHemphill79 (01:34:15): Box.
GuyerDigital (01:34:16): Never said all. I never said all. Did I say all?
Marine4America (01:34:18): No, but you do anything to ignore the fact that people attack the capitol and attack police officers. And that's what I want to talk about. You want to talk about every single fucking problem in the world
GuyerDigital (01:34:29): Dying Because other people want to come in. That's
Marine4America (01:34:31): Bad. Things are bad.
GuyerDigital (01:34:32): Yeah, because of their America.Marine4America (01:34:34): Yes. That's bad. Yeah, that's bad. That's bad.
GuyerDigital (01:34:36): You can say is that's bad as a marine, all you can say that bad. Well, what else
Marine4America (01:34:39): Do you want me to fucking say? We all fucking
GuyerDigital (01:34:41): It's bad. What did you fight for?
Marine4America (01:34:43): What the hell are you talking about? What did I fight for?
GuyerDigital (01:34:45): What did you join the Marines to fight for?
Marine4America (01:34:48): Get a lot of things like
GuyerDigital (01:34:50): What
PamHemphill79 (01:34:51): Marine, please. I don't want to spend a lot of time with again,
Marine4America (01:34:54): What is this fucking probate?
PamHemphill79 (01:34:56): I'll just take it down.
Marine4America (01:34:58): No, especially though with 32 anonymous listeners who are all trying to scope and find out who I am. No, that's
PamHemphill79 (01:35:04): Okay.
Marine4America (01:35:05): Marine
PamHemphill79 (01:35:06): Not going to loudest.
Marine4America (01:35:07): I'll have my own space one day and you can fucking probe all you want because I know you want to get inside my ass. That's fine. Let's go to Jennifer.
Jennifer (01:35:15): Pam, this question is for you, and I don't agree with the MAGA people on the right side calling you names, but you also call the magtards and chuds and any other derogatory name. And we talked about taking inventory. So do you also take inventory on that as well? Do you sit back sometimes and ever think, well maybe if I was a bigger person and didn't call them names and say names like that, that maybe we could start getting to the center place and actually coming to the table. Because I think that in general we all have a lot of things that we actually do have in common, but we can't get past all of the name calling and all of the insults to actually make anything happen. So I was just curious if actually if you took inventory on that and you have a lot of followers, you do have an influence. And so have you ever considered trying to be that person to bridge? Pam doesn't have influence. She makes a post and she gets one repost and she has 45,000 followers. How's that influence?
Jennifer (01:36:32): Would you shut up for a minute?
Marine4America (01:36:34): Jesus Christ.
PamHemphill79 (01:36:38): Hear you. Exactly. Good question. Very good question. It is something to look at. I agree with you. I could not get to a place. It's so important, the program that you don't hang on to resentments because resentments for an alcoholic is the number one offender. We will drink again. So I can't live with a resentment. I can be angry at you and have your feelings, but I can't. A resentment means you relive that anger over and over again. You got to let 'em go. You got to let it go. You got to work on a way to let that go, not allow people to get you to a place where you're just angry all the time. Well, I could not forgive my mother. This is going to explain my answer to your question. I could not get to a place where I would be able to forgive her and it bothered me. I wanted to get to that place so bad so I could feel free inside. Because you get peace when you let go of your resentments. I couldn't get there. So I called my sponsor and said, I don't know if I could get there. I'll tell you what, don't worry about it. Won't you let God forgive her for now it will come. Finally it did. It took 10 years of working on that. I agree. I do call them mags, maggots. Sometimes I call 'em Nazis. I say names.
GuyerDigital: Yeah, but it's not the name that you call people finish. Don't interrupt me what you say to people.
Jennifer: Would you shut up, please?
GuyerDigital: No, no. You don't tell me what to do.
PamHemphill79: No, I'm going to put
Jennifer: You okay. I'm not telling you what to do. I'm telling you to let someone else finish what they're saying before you let her finish your
GuyerDigital: Sentence. Don't say would you shut up. You're talking about name calling and stuff like that. And you're sitting here,
Marine4America: You're so fucking scared of people, of actually listening to people. Holy shit.
GuyerDigital: Shut up Marine. Let us talk.
Marine4America: The hardest you got all day is telling me to fuck off.
PamHemphill79: Now I forgot what I was going to say. He doesn't like to be interrupted, but he your likes doing it doesn't he? Interesting. You want to others as you want them to do to you. So keep it up.
GuyerDigital: That was the first correct thing you've said all night, Pam.
Jennifer (01:17:29): So this question is for you, Pam. The other night when there was a person, a lady that came in and she says, she talked about how she was the lady that runs the military space or whatever and and so I think that's a really good question to pose and I don't know if I heard your answer, but I'd really like to know when you see someone on the street, for example, she said driving in a car, are you going to look and see if they have a Trump sticker or a Biden sticker or whoever, or are you going to be a decent human and go with the flow of traffic and let that person merge in regardless? And the same question of you're in public and certainly a stranger, you're not going to treat them differently based on you because can't tell of what they vote for. And so where does the humanity lie with you? And so that's my question.
GuyerDigital (01:18:31): Come to Oregon, you can definitely tell who voted for who.
PamHemphill79 (01:18:35): Well, part of my 12 steps includes taking a daily inventory and admitting look over your day and see if there's any four step. It's the 10th step.
Marine4America (01:18:52): Let her answer.
PamHemphill79 (01:18:53): It's to see if you shut
GuyerDigital (01:18:54): The fuck up. Marine, don't tell me what to do.
PamHemphill79 (01:18:56): It's to see. Can
Jennifer (01:18:56): You guys both be quiet so she can answer? I'm
PamHemphill79 (01:18:59): Talking. Yeah, I mute every, you have to look over your day at night and let's say you were just, I'll give an example. You were rude to the cashier and maybe a little hostile, something like that happened that day and you take a look at it and say, oh my God, do I own amends? Do I need to go back and apologize or whatever it is you did. You brought harm to somebody else and to yourself. I'm not even brought under you eating the wrong food or I don't know. I don't examples right now, but yeah, of course I have to. Not everybody has to do what I have to do because see, for me, I have to stay sober. I don't ever want to drink again. I remember where I come from. I remember being so drunk on the ground like you would see the people in Portland laying on the ground. I remember being there. I know what happened to me from my alcoholism. I never want to go back and I don't do these things to be a good person. I consider myself a sick person that's getting well, not a bad person that's getting good because I don't know how to do it.
GuyerDigital (01:20:10): Takes 40 years to get well, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (01:20:12): It takes a lot.
Jennifer (01:20:14): That's low. You know what Guyer, you seem to know about the 12 steps and the Serenity Prayer and all of that comes from aa? I do. So you have an addiction. Let me ask you something. Do you have an addiction problem as well? Have you been through addiction? I don't.
GuyerDigital (01:20:27): Addiction problem? Actually
Jennifer (01:20:29): You don't. So don't talk about something you don't know because you never walked. You haven't walked in her shoes. I talk about myself.
GuyerDigital (01:20:34): The addiction was just the fricking, the side effect of everything.
Jennifer (01:20:39): Do not talk about someone else. Number
GuyerDigital (01:20:41): Number one, we admit that we are powerless. Two guy, keep going.
PamHemphill79 (01:20:46): Guy, you're interrupting. I wasn't even done. It's a day at a time. It's progress, not perfection. I'm so grateful that that was put in the book. I will never hit perfection. I don't want to have perfection anyway, but we practice these principles to the best of our ability. One day at a time you're going to fall, but you don't drink over your mistakes. You look at your mistakes, you write about 'em, you talk about 'em, you share 'em with others, you make amends and you try to do better the next time. That's all you don't beat yourself up because you're not perfect. We're all going to have this happen to us in our lives, but we don't get morbid reflection. Like look at our past and go, oh my God, look what I did. I'm such a horrible person. Oh, we just look at it and say, how can I do better next time? How can I make amends for what I did? So January 6th, that's what it was about for me. Working those 12 steps on January 6th, admitting I was wrong. No victim, don't play victim. I was hanging on to, well, I wouldn't have heard of officer. I wouldn't have pushed a barrier. Bullshit. Come on Pam, get rid of the victim. You broke the law. It's that simple. That's why I didn't take the pardon.
Marine4America (01:22:08): I just want to add one thing to what Pam said. I've never done any 12 steps, but I was in a veteran's harm reduction group and it's got similar idea where it's like a lot of people, especially people who struggle sometimes if it's something like alcohol or maybe even marijuana where it's on the lighter side, they're not overly abusing it. Sometimes these things, there's a level where
GuyerDigital (01:22:33): Alcohol isn't on the lighter side. Alcohol kills more people.
Marine4America (01:22:36): It doesGuyerDigital (01:22:36): Such a bad,
Marine4America (01:22:37): Yeah, I didn't mean to withdrawal
GuyerDigital (01:22:39): ProcessMarine4America (01:22:40): More
GuyerDigital (01:22:40): Than almost
Marine4America (01:22:41): Any
GuyerDigital (01:22:41): Drug,
Marine4America (01:22:42): But now the point is is that a lot of people are at the point where that's all they rely on A lot of people. That's what they rely on. And as long as that can get them to tomorrow where they don't drink or they don't use a better future. That's good. That's the whole point. And just reducing harm. And anybody should look into that. Did somebody else,
GuyerDigital (01:23:04): Jennifer Icontinue, I want to continue with your hand.
PamHemphill79 (01:23:08): I'm powerless over Guyer and he's making my life unmanageable.
Marine4America (01:23:13): He is all.
GuyerDigital (01:23:14): Oh man, you need to do a whole fourth step on me, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (01:23:16): I do. I'm going to do, I am.
GuyerDigital (01:23:21): So who wrote that book? Do you know that book that you're talking about? Who wrote it?
PamHemphill79 (01:23:25): Who wrote it?
GuyerDigital (01:23:26): Yeah.
Marine4America (01:23:29): Which one?
GuyerDigital (01:23:30): The big book.
Marine4America (01:23:32): The big book. I don't know it.
GuyerDigital (01:23:34): Yeah, the book about Bill W, the big book.
PamHemphill79 (01:23:37): Then there's stories in the back by everybody, but he took no credit for it.
GuyerDigital (01:23:41): Actually Griffith Wilson wrote the book.
PamHemphill79 (01:23:44): That's his name. Bill W Okay. Whatever you want to call him.
GuyerDigital (01:23:47): Yeah,
Marine4America (01:23:49): I don't know this person. Oh yeah, bill W. There you go. Oh, okay. I didn't anything about this.
GuyerDigital (01:23:58): I don't have an addiction problem. I had a problem with myself and I used drugs to mask that problem for myself. Since then, since the 14 years since I have used those drugs, I've done a lot of soul searching and work on myself and I found that the 12 steps of Alcoholics Anonymous are just catching up to God. I read that whole book. I went through the treatment centers, I went through the 12 steps and yes, it got me sober, but it didn't keep me sober. You know what kept me sober? God keeps me sober. Family and community and fellowship and not getting high. That's the number one thing that keeps me sober is just not getting high and understanding why I got high and what I had to do to get high and what I did to other people to get high. And so it doesn't still change the fact that I'm me and it still doesn't change the fact that I'm a human and I'm still going to have addiction issues. Like I'm still going to be addicted to things. Do I think that I'm powerless over my addiction? No, because right now I have power over it. I'm not getting high, so obviously I have power over it. I think the 12 steps of Alcoholics Aynonymous just makes people victims. And it's just a recurring thing and it just sounds like it's recurring and recurring and it sounds like you're just a geriatric bumper sticker.
PamHemphill79 (01:25:17): You know what works for you may not work for me. So live and let live. It doesn't matter to me. I know it's worked for 46 years. Why fix it?
GuyerDigital (01:25:27): It may have kept you off of the alcohol, but it doesn't really seem like it's really doing anything other than that. Pam?
PamHemphill79 (01:25:34): Oh, you don't know
PamHemphill79 (01:25:34): Where I
PamHemphill79 (01:25:35): Come from? Oh my God, no.
Troll (01:25:40): Alright, so
PamHemphill79 (01:25:44): Jennifer,
Jennifer (01:25:45): So Guyer, you say you do have power over your alcohol. Do you think that power comes from you or from God?
GuyerDigital (01:25:53): It's been anointed to me.
Jennifer (01:25:57): Okay,
Marine4America (01:26:00): Alright. I have a problem with that.
PamHemphill79 (01:26:03): I don't blame people for not wanting to stay in the 12 step program because you have to look at yourself. You got to leave victimhood out the door. You can't blame others anymore. You got to take your own inventory and ask yourself, what part did I play in this situation? What was my part? Did I bring this anger towards me by being mean to people? Yeah,
GuyerDigital (01:26:28): You bring it five hours into a city, you honestly probably shouldn't even be in.
PamHemphill79 (01:26:34): Oh, I'm glad I have that much power. Thank you. Take it everywhere throughout the United States.
GuyerDigital (01:26:39): I thought you were
PamHemphill79 (01:26:39): Powerless, Pam. Oh, you said I bring it to Yes, I do bring it there. I do. Yeah, I bring the 12 steps.
Marine4America (01:26:55): So let me look up this fucking thing. I appreciate those questions, Jennifer.
PamHemphill79 (01:27:13): Well, I can tell you Marine, it really is where you have to constantly look at you. You don't take other people's inventory and say, well, they shouldn't have done this or they shouldn't have done that because everybody's doing what they do the best they can. Whether it's right or wrong. To me, life is a class. Some of the times you have to take the same class again. We're learning, we're all growing, we're all making mistakes. I don't know one person that's perfect Port Mount. I know one person I believe was, I call 'em Yeshua, but we're just humans and we're going to make mistakes. And I found a way of life how to live, how to not be perfect. I wanted to be perfect. Remember my sponsor said your halo's going to choke you. You try to act like you're good, you don't have to be anymore. But anyway,
Marine4America (01:28:12): Breaking up just a little bit there Pam.
PamHemphill79 (01:28:15): Maybe my earbuds. I want to get on dismiss January 6th convictions.
Marine4America (01:28:24): What? I'm looking like
PamHemphill79 (01:28:25): It never happened. Or you can talk about another political issue if you'd like to
Marine4America (01:28:31): Filing as an appeals court to vacate the convictions of four members of the proud Boys who acted violently during the January 6th riot. This is as of
GuyerDigital (01:28:43): So what's your goal here, Marine, about uncovering all this stuff and talking about January 6th. What's your intended goal?
Marine4America (01:28:51): So another group, another veterans group I was in is something that talks about moral injury and it's like the idea where especially people who have PTSD or service members who they put themselves into something and then they feel betrayed by what they see and they feel powerless to stop it. Like how we cope. January 6th was like a fucking, I fucking broke me as an American,
GuyerDigital (01:29:26): What did you fight for? Exactly? What did you join the Marines for as an American to go fight for the American thing. What's that American thing that you fought for?
Marine4America (01:29:44): I don't know if I want to go into that right now. There's a lot of things I wanted to do, but I had my options and I went with
GuyerDigital (01:29:54): Does it break your heart to see homeless drug addicts on the street due to policy in your own city that people that you support and vote for true? It does. Does it break your heart as an American to see that as them allowing it to happen and continuing to funnel it to happen? Does it break your heart that people are coming in? Yeah, bad things are bad across the borders of the United States from all different countries just to come and harm little children that are American children that don't even have a clue of what's going on that have the opportunity to have a great life as an American and the people are coming. You see
Marine4America (01:30:31): What I mean by moral injury.
GuyerDigital (01:30:32): And you are in the same space with somebody who protests against people that stopped that.
Marine4America (01:30:37): No,
GuyerDigital (01:30:37): That doesn't break your heart.
Marine4America (01:30:40): No. You're mixing up a lot of things.
GuyerDigital (01:30:42): I'm not,
PamHemphill79 (01:30:43): Yeah, hold on.
GuyerDigital (01:30:45): Okay, let me break it down for you.
PamHemphill79 (01:30:47): Just wait about
GuyerDigital (01:30:49): Myself.
PamHemphill79 (01:30:49): Are you okay with Trump spending all that money for that ballroom? All that money to bomb Iran? No. Are you okay with that? All that money could go for the homeless for cancer research. I mean, come on.
GuyerDigital (01:31:02): I'm not okay with dropping bombs on countries. I'm not.
PamHemphill79 (01:31:05): And what about the money on the ballroom? How much is that?
GuyerDigital (01:31:08): I'm not okay with people homeless spending money on a ballroom. Hey, if something needs to be renovated, it needs to be renovated. But thing here's the thing though. Here's the thing. Lemme break it down for you is Marine, you said that it breaks your heart to see that your own country has betrayed you. Right?
Marine4America (01:31:26): I
GuyerDigital (01:31:26): Don't think that, doesn't it break your heart to see that the people that you host these spaces with are against and call ice the Gestapo when ICE is out there going and taking these people who are coming in and trying to harm these children just because they're Americans who want to live the same American dream that you lived, that you went and fucking caught.
Marine4America (01:31:46): No. Again, you're emotionally loading a lot of shit. Yeah, no,
GuyerDigital (01:31:50): I understand that. I'm not, I'm just asking a question.
PamHemphill79 (01:31:54): These people are not coming in doing that and you know it. Yes they are.
GuyerDigital (01:31:57): Look
PamHemphill79 (01:31:57): At the statistics and
GuyerDigital (01:31:59): Yes they are.
PamHemphill79 (01:31:59): They weren't even targeting criminals at all. That's false information.
GuyerDigital (01:32:04): Nope, you're wrong, Pam. Yes, they are.
Marine4America (01:32:06): People. Why the majority of most
GuyerDigital (01:32:08): People protest illegal children just because they are American white. That
Marine4America (01:32:12): Is not why the majority of people were protesting.GuyerDigital (01:32:17): Wait, what?
Marine4America (01:32:18): I have no idea what you're referring to, but that is not why the majority of Americans are protesting right now.
GuyerDigital (01:32:24): Okay, but Pam, do you like ice? Yes or no? Do you think ice should be a thing? Do you think ice should be in Portland? Because I've heard you say ice out of Portland.
PamHemphill79 (01:32:32): Look and I'm sure there people working their ice who you would like to leave and are not happy with what they're seeing next to their, I believe that it just kind of stuck right now they're probably not sure, but this is not the ice that we know from the past. Trump's ice. Big difference.
Marine4America (01:32:52): Yeah, I'm down with abolishing ice and then when we read it ourselves of this fucking magar rut, we reform this whole thing. We build immigration laws from the ground up and then we have a thing called ice just without this fucking magar rut. I'm fine with immigration enforcement. I am. But again, this is not why most people, people are not protesting to protect the illegals enforcement.
GuyerDigital (01:33:18): Alright, cool.
Marine4America (01:33:18): Most are not, most people aren't protesting to protect the illegals, but
GuyerDigital (01:33:22): It doesn't break your heart that people are coming in and killing American citizens. Got it. Especially if they're children.
Marine4America (01:33:27): Most people, well, I mean I hate to say it, but that is a little bit of status quo. That is bad.
GuyerDigital (01:33:35): Okay.
Marine4America (01:33:36): January 6th was a unique event.
GuyerDigital (01:33:39): So is that
Marine4America (01:33:41): No, it's not.
GuyerDigital (01:33:42): Wait, so it happens all the time.
Marine4America (01:33:44): Border
GuyerDigital (01:33:45): Security.
Marine4America (01:33:46): We've
GuyerDigital (01:33:46): Had
Marine4America (01:33:46): Issues with border security
GuyerDigital (01:33:47): For the better part of specifically because they're American children. That happens all the time. Yes or no?
PamHemphill79 (01:33:52): He's putting up this information. It's not just,
GuyerDigital (01:33:54): No,
Marine4America (01:33:54): I don't
PamHemphill79 (01:33:54): Want to keep hearing this bullshit. Let's go to jail.
GuyerDigital (01:33:57): Do it. It was a single
PamHemphill79 (01:33:59): No, we don't want to hear your crap anymore. I'm sorry.
GuyerDigital (01:34:03): It was
PamHemphill79 (01:34:04): You're not open-minded to go do the statistics and learn some facts. You're spreading your propaganda.
GuyerDigital (01:34:11): What propaganda, Pam?
PamHemphill79 (01:34:12): That they're all coming. You
GuyerDigital (01:34:14): Put everybody in a
PamHemphill79 (01:34:15): Box.
GuyerDigital (01:34:16): Never said all. I never said all. Did I say all?
Marine4America (01:34:18): No, but you do anything to ignore the fact that people attack the capitol and attack police officers. And that's what I want to talk about. You want to talk about every single fucking problem in the world
GuyerDigital (01:34:29): Dying Because other people want to come in. That's
Marine4America (01:34:31): Bad. Things are bad.
GuyerDigital (01:34:32): Yeah, because of their America.Marine4America (01:34:34): Yes. That's bad. Yeah, that's bad. That's bad.
GuyerDigital (01:34:36): You can say is that's bad as a marine, all you can say that bad. Well, what else
Marine4America (01:34:39): Do you want me to fucking say? We all fucking
GuyerDigital (01:34:41): It's bad. What did you fight for?
Marine4America (01:34:43): What the hell are you talking about? What did I fight for?
GuyerDigital (01:34:45): What did you join the Marines to fight for?
Marine4America (01:34:48): Get a lot of things like
GuyerDigital (01:34:50): What
PamHemphill79 (01:34:51): Marine, please. I don't want to spend a lot of time with again,
Marine4America (01:34:54): What is this fucking probate?
PamHemphill79 (01:34:56): I'll just take it down.
Marine4America (01:34:58): No, especially though with 32 anonymous listeners who are all trying to scope and find out who I am. No, that's
PamHemphill79 (01:35:04): Okay.
Marine4America (01:35:05): Marine
PamHemphill79 (01:35:06): Not going to loudest.
Marine4America (01:35:07): I'll have my own space one day and you can fucking probe all you want because I know you want to get inside my ass. That's fine. Let's go to Jennifer.
Jennifer (01:35:15): Pam, this question is for you, and I don't agree with the MAGA people on the right side calling you names, but you also call the magtards and chuds and any other derogatory name. And we talked about taking inventory. So do you also take inventory on that as well? Do you sit back sometimes and ever think, well maybe if I was a bigger person and didn't call them names and say names like that, that maybe we could start getting to the center place and actually coming to the table. Because I think that in general we all have a lot of things that we actually do have in common, but we can't get past all of the name calling and all of the insults to actually make anything happen. So I was just curious if actually if you took inventory on that and you have a lot of followers, you do have an influence. And so have you ever considered trying to be that person to bridge? Pam doesn't have influence. She makes a post and she gets one repost and she has 45,000 followers. How's that influence?
Jennifer (01:36:32): Would you shut up for a minute?
Marine4America (01:36:34): Jesus Christ.
PamHemphill79 (01:36:38): Hear you. Exactly. Good question. Very good question. It is something to look at. I agree with you. I could not get to a place. It's so important, the program that you don't hang on to resentments because resentments for an alcoholic is the number one offender. We will drink again. So I can't live with a resentment. I can be angry at you and have your feelings, but I can't. A resentment means you relive that anger over and over again. You got to let 'em go. You got to let it go. You got to work on a way to let that go, not allow people to get you to a place where you're just angry all the time. Well, I could not forgive my mother. This is going to explain my answer to your question. I could not get to a place where I would be able to forgive her and it bothered me. I wanted to get to that place so bad so I could feel free inside. Because you get peace when you let go of your resentments. I couldn't get there. So I called my sponsor and said, I don't know if I could get there. I'll tell you what, don't worry about it. Won't you let God forgive her for now it will come. Finally it did. It took 10 years of working on that. I agree. I do call them mags, maggots. Sometimes I call 'em Nazis. I say names.
GuyerDigital: Yeah, but it's not the name that you call people finish. Don't interrupt me what you say to people.
Jennifer: Would you shut up, please?
GuyerDigital: No, no. You don't tell me what to do.
PamHemphill79: No, I'm going to put
Jennifer: You okay. I'm not telling you what to do. I'm telling you to let someone else finish what they're saying before you let her finish your
GuyerDigital: Sentence. Don't say would you shut up. You're talking about name calling and stuff like that. And you're sitting here,
Marine4America: You're so fucking scared of people, of actually listening to people. Holy shit.
GuyerDigital: Shut up Marine. Let us talk.
Marine4America: The hardest you got all day is telling me to fuck off.
PamHemphill79: Now I forgot what I was going to say. He doesn't like to be interrupted, but he your likes doing it doesn't he? Interesting. You want to others as you want them to do to you. So keep it up.
GuyerDigital: That was the first correct thing you've said all night, Pam.
PamHemphill79: I've had this ongoing anger because I went to prison. I've never been to jail in my life. I went to prison for a lie. If you've never been to prison, oh my god. And I'm claustrophobic to the max because I really had serious childhood abuse. Most people have overdosed or committed suicide. Most people don't get through the recovery of what I went through. But I made a decision that I was going to beat my childhood by staying alive, staying sober and fighting back by going to therapy, going to a meetings and trying to get better a day at a time. But so if I'm not there yet and haven't corrected, I do ask for that. I mean to not be so angry that the mega fault what it is has put me in this place. They changed the narrative of January the sixth and I'm angry at 'em for not being honest and just dividing our country help.I pray for that every day to be patient and kind and tolerant. And it says in the book, treat others as sick people like ourselves. And it's not easy to get to. So be patient with me maybe in five years. And when people respect me that are on the mega side, I don't call 'em megas because they're not megas, they're just believe in Trump. And that's okay. But some of them deserve to be called megas because that's what they are. They're just trying to divide this country and lie to everybody and bring propaganda. It's divided our country. So I dunno. You're right though. It is something more that I would like to, I'm not into trying to make you think I'm a good person. It doesn't matter to me. Does that make sense? Oh, I better stop cussing that way. You could think I'm a real spiritual person that works a good program. I don't work a good program. I fall and fail all the time constantly. But I have the steps to get me back in order, if that makes sense.
Jennifer (01:40:56): Do you have sponsor? You the answer sponsor.
Marine4America (01:40:59): We have some other hands. So we got to fucking go in a circle here. JustGuyerDigital (01:41:02): Real quick. Pam, do have a
Marine4America (01:41:03): No, no, no, no guy. We actually got to go on those. I still, we got to go with circle here. If you can't respect the rules, we got to take,
PamHemphill79 (01:41:12): Well maybe Guy wants me to be a sponsor.
GuyerDigital (01:41:15): I'm asking you, do you have a sponsee?
PamHemphill79 (01:41:18): No, I don't do that anymore. I have a different, what I do is take people to meetings and introduce 'em to people that would make Apon
GuyerDigital (01:41:25): Now. That's the kind of outreach you should be doing. Pam not coming down
Marine4America: Guy. Chill the fuck out. All right. Jesus. The fucking priceGuyerDigital (01:41:30): Hanging out with these,
PamHemphill79: Well, lemme finish. Marine, I was there. Were you there? We stood with an NA on the corner there at Portland Ice and our medics stayed with her almost all night. And I spoke to her and we helped her as much as we could.
Marine4America: And when I say fuck Maga, I say under my breath, not Laura, not what's her name, Callie Red. Not my coworker Karen, because I know that she's a good person in her heart, even though we're just
GuyerDigital
: In a fucking weird place. Fuck Maga. But those people, because good conversations with those people and actually know what those people are about because I sit and have the time to listen.
PamHemphill79: If I can't control you, I'm going to put you down. I'm going to have to. You're forcing me. He's forcing me.
GuyerDigital: Don't put me down. Pamela, respect.
PamHemphill79: Well though, raise your hand and stop it.
Jennifer (01:40:56): Do you have sponsor? You the answer sponsor.
Marine4America (01:40:59): We have some other hands. So we got to fucking go in a circle here. JustGuyerDigital (01:41:02): Real quick. Pam, do have a
Marine4America (01:41:03): No, no, no, no guy. We actually got to go on those. I still, we got to go with circle here. If you can't respect the rules, we got to take,
PamHemphill79 (01:41:12): Well maybe Guy wants me to be a sponsor.
GuyerDigital (01:41:15): I'm asking you, do you have a sponsee?
PamHemphill79 (01:41:18): No, I don't do that anymore. I have a different, what I do is take people to meetings and introduce 'em to people that would make Apon
GuyerDigital (01:41:25): Now. That's the kind of outreach you should be doing. Pam not coming down
Marine4America: Guy. Chill the fuck out. All right. Jesus. The fucking priceGuyerDigital (01:41:30): Hanging out with these,
PamHemphill79: Well, lemme finish. Marine, I was there. Were you there? We stood with an NA on the corner there at Portland Ice and our medics stayed with her almost all night. And I spoke to her and we helped her as much as we could.
Marine4America: And when I say fuck Maga, I say under my breath, not Laura, not what's her name, Callie Red. Not my coworker Karen, because I know that she's a good person in her heart, even though we're just
GuyerDigital
: In a fucking weird place. Fuck Maga. But those people, because good conversations with those people and actually know what those people are about because I sit and have the time to listen.
PamHemphill79: If I can't control you, I'm going to put you down. I'm going to have to. You're forcing me. He's forcing me.
GuyerDigital: Don't put me down. Pamela, respect.
PamHemphill79: Well though, raise your hand and stop it.
Marine4America: Go on Sandy. Welcome.
PocketSandy: Hey, am I speaking now? Or you just saying, Hey,
Marine4America: Hey dip, you're up. And if anybody gives a shit, I'm dropping 'em
PocketSandy: All right. Goodness. I guess I want to touch on Gen six for a second, but you know, you know what I'm going to do here? I've got all the video. I scraped the whole internet of all the live streams and everything when it fucking happened. So I have a shit load of video that nobody has ever fucking seen. Let's just keep that in mind for the people that have been there. There's more than what you can find on the internet today. And I got lost in that whole Jan sixth thing when it happened. I'm not going to lie, I did a lot of research. I dug into it too far. I watched all the court shit. It was an attack on America. It was trying to make this country not America. And that's the way I see it. But let me segue away from that. I could write a book series on J six. I'm not going to fucking lie or a movie. I can have a video for a goddamn movie be, I dunno. I'm trying to tread lightly on how I navigate the world to see if I can survive long enough to get back to Minnesota. I'm not going away right away, but you're going to see me less out there. I've learned a lot of lessons in the past since Saturday. I've learned a lot of really hard lessons, but some kind of not that when people were all pretty chill with me, they'd be like, why are you wearing a bulletproof vest? Because I've been doing this for a long time before I even fucking moved here. And I know what happens when people love you, especially when they're opposed to you in the beginning. It always ends the same way generally. At least this one I learned a lot. It was a different beast. And I learned a lot of shit that I did not see, I did not see coming including Saturday where not that long ago, I found out that streams can be edited. They literally can. And I said the real time editing, which is like somebody yelling about their chat when you get to start speaking or whatever.
GuyerDigital: How'd you find that out, Sandy?
PocketSandy: Turn the camera away when it's whatever. But this is fucking, you go watch somebody's past stream that's still posted on their page or whatever. You guys tell me, do you think the SHA thing was 16 minutes? Because that's how much it was on ground zero stream?
Marine4America: I'm not sure and I don't really want to get too bogged down in it, but I'll let you talk
PocketSandy: On it. Yeah,Yeah, yeah. And that was kind of like, yeah, rhetorical. I want to give when I'm done speaking at least, and give Pam the opportunity to sort of tell her side of what I'm seeing out there and what I felt not just recently but for a while that people all misunderstand me and I'm finding out the hard way that not releasing content is quite literally deadly. If you do what I do, it is quite literally deadly to not meet people where they're at and where people are at is getting everything they know and only believing things they see on their screen. And that's the only source of truth for anybody in this fucking world right now. And I didn't do that. I missed that step and it became deadly. It would been hard this whole time. But I prioritize safety, my mission, my ability to understand the full problem from all the sides, but also my ability to be heard and get my ideas into people's heads in a way that isn't just anger in a way that they will forget by the time the night ends that I'm going to say a lot of offensive shit. But because I say it in a calmer voice and I try to navigate through the trigger words and all that bullshit just to be heard, that's ignorance. And what surprised me is the streams that MAGA put up with no intention for them to become violent to me. Those are the same streams that became violent from the left and kind of back to this being edited streams after the fact. It blows my mind that the platforms even allow that shit. And I still got to look into that more, but I can guarantee it. There's a lot of missing shit in these things. I never, on Saturday, I wasn't running interference for maga. I was yelling fire at him. I'm hurt. I'm still hurt. I needed to let shit off my chest. And leftist had told me, please don't do that. I didn't listen and I haven't listened to a lot of warnings lately. Fucking autistic and brain damage and all this shit. I'm damn near at savant with some kind of conversations than other ones. I'm tone deaf is fuck. And I have to own that where I started and where I ended, this wasn't planned exactly. I mean it wasn't planned. It just keep on reacting to my situation and choosing my past from there. Maybe I should have planned it, but who would be able to guess that it would've evolved into thisn and it is disturbing to see that everybody loves me one week and then the next, they want to get me committed. And that's what I mean when you guys are plotting to kill me. That is, oh, when you take Sandy down, when you get Sandy committed, we need to spend just enough propaganda to misunderstands to Sandy in a way that paints a different picture from what I am actually am. The persecution is absolutely insane, but it's not the first time I've been persecuted. I ran from this and I'm not running anymore, but I am. I'm going to go back there soon, probably this weekend, face the music, try to help people understand and then eventually, maybe not right away, maybe, yeah, right away, who knows. But I am going to go back to Minnesota for a while. I need to try to get the leftist and West Coast and leftist in Minnesota are polar opposites in so many ways. They're not the same type of people. It's left activists versus left idealist and the left idealist do activism, but only as a secondary. And I don't think that's the right way personally, but I also don't want to interfere in other people's way of showing up too much. I don't really do that. I don't really try to deescalate necessarily for mag's sake. A lot of the time it's just trying to keep everybody safe on my side. But when you only watch a few words, you only listen to a few words and you make a judgment. And some of those words are me just navigating it, navigating around the trigger words, navigating around all the conflicts and saying the words that set you off and all that. Yeah. It's what I have to do to get a real conversation. Their fucking country is fucked. This place is fucked. And I think Portland's a terrible representation of what's going on in this country. I think it really is. I think we bring a bunch of weird shit here sometimes from across the nation. Everybody comes here, bring their fucking lunacy. And that's why I need a break and I need to put out content that I should have done to not get this coming on me. But Pam specifically, and I really do want to let you, I want to help. This has been my thing the whole way. I can straight up despise somebody, but that's not going to stop me from helping them grow. I'd rather help them grow if I can, even if it fails before I push them in the direction I don't want them to be in already. I don't think that's the solution. And I'm not throwing away half the country. I don't give a shit when anybody tells me I'm not fucking doing it. We won't win. We won't win if we do that. But it's all anybody wants. All everybody wants to hear is hate. Travels farther than love lies, travel further than truth. And everybody's lying and everybody hates. And I hate being an outlier. It's fucking crazy. And everybody's lost the plot so fucking much, so fucking much that it's threatening to see somebody that's kind, principled, articulate and dares to go against what other people say and try to tell me what I should be, what I should say. Tell police me. But I think the way, Pam, I don't know that anybody could fully know what is happening. I don't think anybody really fucking does. But you have judged me for a long while. Like, oh, you shouldn't talk to 'em. They're not your friends, whatever. But I don't think you understood what was happening when I was talking to them that I was able to tell them more scathing shit than you guys yell at 'em. But they listened to it. They might think about it walking around the grocery store, they're going to listen to it and their wife beat her eating Cheetos in their bed. And I perk up when I hear somebody yell, I got 10,000 viewers, whatever, not, I really love everything y'all are fucking doing, but because I get to put my ideas in your head in a way you won't throw away by the time the night ends and my stomach turns a lot when I do it. I sacrifice my reputation and my safety to do it. And there's several people that are alive today that have come out to thank me that are fucking terrified after seeing what happened to me. And people that align with me more and just want to say their voice, they want to say their peace. They're afraid to speak, not unlike I am. The only difference is I speak back and now they see that it's deadly to do that. You're going to get somebody that's infected with media that they're going to tell you it comes from a fascist, but they're going to believe it when they see it. Make it make sense. I'm naive, I'm naive. And Pam, quite literally your recent comments, it seemed like there was no sympathy. It was really just Maga's not your friends as a response. It's my fault. What I do is something you can't believe in. And I believe you can't believe in it because you never tried to understand it and most people didn't. And the really chilling reality of this is is this was planned on Saturday and they purposely didn't film it. They're caught on camera saying as much. They're also caught on camera telling lies and justifying violence, gang violence. And I don't think anybody really knows what happened. I'm going to say that right now. I think everybody needs to fucking know because your screens are lying to you. The screens are fucking lying to you. And that's how J six happened. Screens are fucking lying to you and this is the fascist work left, right, whatever your screens, they're fucking fascists behind that. But what happened to me, I came out there right the fuck away. I get circled, I get circled, surrounded. I tried to help Pam being Mac. Well, okay, I came out there, I went to go yell at MAGA and then Chris fucking grabs onto somebody. I yell at Chris and I'm like, what the fuck? Why are we touching people? To me, the dildos were not the same as tackling somebody or whatever, but whatever. Everything's different in hindsight now. But I came out, I went over there to just see what's going on with them. That's it. Just watch. Just view it. And when I was yelling behind all of the leftists, I wasn't yelling at the leftists. I was yelling at maga. And I think when hate really infects people, the propaganda, they can't hear your words with any sort of understanding at all. You can't even say anything anymore when it gets bad enough. They're only going to hear different words than you said. And I decontaminated and then I got surrounded and they wouldn't let me leave, but they were trying to tell me to go. They were holding onto me. They're like, just leave. And I'm like, I'm trying. So I try to get away from 'em and I'm principled. I'm going to say you the shit. The difference here is what? I'm traumatized. I'm not going to have all of my abilities and it just is what it is. And I also am a unique person. I'm going to say words like terrorist and criminal, but there's nuance to both of those fucking words. There's also conditioning of talking to maybe too much and needing to navigate the conversations in ways that I need to keep the conversations going. And I'm kind of conditioned in my own fucking way too. None of us are immune from fascism even if you don't like it. And I think everybody needs to hear that. It's like the I'm not racist thing, but they don't put any work into understanding why the system is racism. But I am disturbed Pam, and like I said, I want to give you the grace to give you what people aren't giving me and ability to understand or at least an ability to grow. And I think perpetuating this thing became deadly. You didn't know it in the beginning and nobody did. But it's been overwhelming. All of the force against me from both sides. It's been overwhelming. It's changing me. I'm breaking barriers that I really, I didn't ever want to do and I'm trying to peel it back now, but I think it seems like you were agreeing with black block, maybe not without even knowing that they surrounded me. Oh, I'm sorry, I missed it. Let me just get through and stop. I'll shut the fuck up. I'm going to tell you what happened to me. I got surrounded. They were trying to get me the fuck out of there. Something about the memorial that I kneeled down because fucking Rene good was my goddamn fucking neighbor. I mourn her there, but they chased me out. I tried to move across the street. They were coming at me some more. I moved around. Then they tried to just, they marched me out of there with violence. I come back, I don't want to get pushed out. I ran from my fucking city and it was kind of the same. I try to yell my perspective, but the lies are too strong and they travel further than truth. Even if you're talking to somebody directly. It is just devastating. It is really devastating and really, really genuinely good. People can be corrupted by fascism too, just more rapidly than I thought. It could fucking happen sometimes overnight. And it's these goddamn screens. It's our media. And I think people should talk to me directly. Yes, I do have to navigate conversations in a way to have a conversation. It might look a little fucky, but talk to me. That's it. Don't be a coward. And there's a lot of fucking cowards out there that only feel safe when they have a gang with them or when they're sitting behind their fucking screen. Bunch of fucking cowards. And truly, I do a lot out there. I put myself in risk all the fucking time. And part of the reason I wear that fucking bulletproof vest was just thinking, shit, if I'm going to get in front of a gun this much, I should probably wear this. But yeah, they chased me around. I think the really big piece of this is they threatened to shoot me and one of them kept on trying to pull something out of their jacket and they kept on trying to stop him. The one, the more violent one is that. But when they're trying to stop his violent, shut the fuck up guy. Or shut the fuck up. You
GuyerDigital (02:00:55): Don't tell me what to do. Sandy was
Marine4America (02:00:58): Saturday.
PocketSandy (02:00:58): I don't give a shit. Motherfucker
Marine4America (02:01:00): Was this Saturday.
PocketSandy (02:01:02): I don't give a shit. Motherfucker. Jesus Christ.
Marine4America (02:01:05): We talk,
PocketSandy (02:01:06): We'll talk maybe, maybe, maybe. Bitch
Marine4America (02:01:08): Fuck. You can come back up in. Sandy's done. Let's Sandy there piece. What the fuck? I'll let you come back up. When Sandy's done with her piece is fair. Yeah,
PamHemphill79 (02:01:15): That's not,
PocketSandy (02:01:17): I'm laying on the plane. This is the most important part every one of you need to fucking hear.(02:01:27)They were threatening to shoot me. They're threatening to fucking shoot me. And they kept on telling him just to not do it, don't do it. And whether or not he had a fucking fucking gun, he threatened to shoot me. And he was poking something in his jacket directed towards me. And the night really ended with him chasing me. I couldn't get my e-bike to turn on and give me power to the wheels in time. I finally fucking did. And he hit me in the face, but all the way down my body with mace and I crashed right the fuck through the old spaghetti factories gates and knocked them off, crashed my bike, fucked up my bike, realized they stole a bunch of shit, broke a bunch of shit. I'm like thousands lost here. I got really beat up, cut scrapes, bruises, head to toe. I couldn't walk that well on Sunday. Really needed help to walk. And then there comes Guyer to come get his moment and then use it for more propaganda. That's cool. I don't know what the fuck. You know what? We don't have to talk about Guyer whatever. That's all I'm going to fucking say on him. But I think this is devastating and I think everybody needs to take a hard look at what's happening because I don't get pushed out of spaces and you can't talk me into, not into caving to this shit. And in some ways, because people on my side that understand what I'm doing and disagree with some of this shit, they don't have a voice because they're scared. The people that were victims of gun violence that wouldn't be breathing today, they're scared after seeing this. And when we prioritize, perpetuating a message over helping me, that's fucking bullshit. If you want to stand on your point and say, well, this or whatever, when I'm not sure if I'm going to be alive tomorrow, that's fucked up. Straight up. It's fucked up. I don't give a shit what you think. It's fucked up in my opinion. Table your fucking shit soapbox. Fuck that. I'm burning your soapbox down motherfucker. I don't give a shit. I'm making a documentary at the end of this. And as it stands right now, Mag's going to look like a piece of shit for some of it. But if I die tomorrow, the leftists are going to look like a piece of shit, maybe even fucking more. I don't want that to end that way. The whole country's going to fucking know. And if I die out there and I have that hood on, I'm pulling it all off while the life drains out of my fucking body.So all those fucking cameras can see, the whole nation will learn from this. The whole fucking nation will learn from this. And good luck keeping your goddamn job or your freedom. Good luck with the shit y'all have fucking said about me. Good fucking luck with your criminal conspiracy. They're going to have to open up a whole new fucking wing in the prison for you. Just like Jan six, just like Jan, six, everybody's fucking around and they don't know what the fucking is going on. Nobody has the courage to break through their fucking propaganda. And I can convince somebody something one day and some video the next morning is going to talk them back. Out of that, I gave up on fighting a lot of the lies. I just fucking just throw out quips now because it doesn't fucking matter anymore. It would take a team of 20 people fighting the lies and it still wouldn't work because the lies travel further than the truth. That's just it. A bunch of fascism, and I shouldn't be surprised, the fascism came to the left. It did in World War ii. It did. Y'all need to learn your fucking history about fascism. Nobody's immune to it.Trump's ruining the economy because that was the foundation of Germany's fascism was desperation. Nobody sees this shit. All your screens, the oligarchs, the fascists, they're controlling your fucking media. They're conditioning you into being fascist too. Even if you call yourself an anti-fascist, this is how it worked in World War ii. This is how it worked. Learn your goddamn history for real, for real. I want to help people grow. I want to have that discourse because when that discourse dies, this country dies too. And I fucking hate Charlie Kirk so fucking much. But I also hate he was killed. So I don't get to give him my fucking fire like I do to some of you. I fucking hate that. I want to talk all this shit about him, but now I can't fuck that. I don't like Charlie Kirk. I don't want him to die in front of his family, mainly because I want to talk shit to him.I want to get in front of him and see if I can win that fucking war. I would love that. I would love that, but I can't now. So discourse is dying in this fucking country, and that's part of the reason we are dying and the oligarchs are controlling every single fucking one of you, every single one of you. And I'm landing it now. I could go on forever. Forever and ever and ever and ever, and I need to do that on my own time now, and I think that's my survival strategy at this point, point. So y'all say what you need to say, Pam, I would appreciate it if you can speak to your recent comments, what you think about what I just said, and whether you would choose furthering your message over my wellbeing and understanding what I'm doing with Grace. So yeah, without a yield.
PamHemphill79 (02:08:01): Well, first I had been sprayed. I couldn't see, my mind was not in the right place. I was very upset. Pepper spray, man, that shit hurts, and then I just hear something going on. I don't know what's going on. I think I went over at one point to see if I could help. I've learned a lot in LASIK trying to keep purpose of being involved. None of my business.
Marine4America (02:08:34): You're breaking up a little bit more. Pam,
PamHemphill79 (02:08:37): Can you hear me now?
PocketSandy (02:08:39): Yeah, I can hear you. Good. I'm going to be quick with my responses through this. I don't like to be addressed and then not, but I'm not going to go into monologue,
PamHemphill79 (02:08:46): But alls I know is in a divorce court, you got to hear both sides of the story. I don't know both sides. I just can't get in the middle of something. I don't know what's happening and I had to go over and sit and nurse myself for a while. I couldn't see and I had it in my mouth and it scared me. I just got off oxygen. However, just hearing what happened to you and how it went down, it was not okay. I'm not happy with that. I'm sorry that happened to you. Nobody's happy to hear that anybody got hurt. If they are, there's something wrong with them and I'm really sorry that happened to you. I mean, I have tried to tell you not to talk to Mega because I've tried for three years. I get smeared, I get lied about, but I know your heart's in the right place. I know that mine has been too, and I end up cussing at 'em because I get so angry that everything was so peaceful. So they started coming around and getting people arrested that that hurt me to see people getting arrested and they're starting it.I don't know. I'm still learning. I'm still making mistakes. Unfortunately. I'm the leader. I'm the cause of everything. I'm influenced people. I don't want that position. I don't try to take it. I'm not going to get involved. I don't want to be involved. I'm there to videotape and talk to you guys on just a normal talk. I don't care what they're doing or not doing. I don't like gossip. I try to say, let's make sure the person's here when you're talking about 'em, because I don't want to hear gossip. I don't want to get in the middle and I'm sure saddened about whatever happened to you. I think we have to learn to just sit down because in my mind, I think something's happening when it's not. I need to sit down and say, Hey, this is what I'm hearing. This is what I'm thinking.Can you tell me what the hell's going on here? Why are you talking to Mega? That's how I would've done it. I would've taken you to the other block, sat down on a bench and say, Hey, I'm pissed off. I don't like you doing this. I just would've had a conversation with you and been honest with you. But that's how I would've handled it. But I'm not that person. Everybody handles things the way they handle it. Some handle it very well, some handle it very bad. But I can't take your inventory or their inventory. I have to just look at how I'm doing it. That's all I'm worried. That's what I have to focus on is me. And then can I ask yourself one question? What would you have done different now, looking back that night, what do you think you would've done different?
PocketSandy: Hey, am I speaking now? Or you just saying, Hey,
Marine4America: Hey dip, you're up. And if anybody gives a shit, I'm dropping 'em
PocketSandy: All right. Goodness. I guess I want to touch on Gen six for a second, but you know, you know what I'm going to do here? I've got all the video. I scraped the whole internet of all the live streams and everything when it fucking happened. So I have a shit load of video that nobody has ever fucking seen. Let's just keep that in mind for the people that have been there. There's more than what you can find on the internet today. And I got lost in that whole Jan sixth thing when it happened. I'm not going to lie, I did a lot of research. I dug into it too far. I watched all the court shit. It was an attack on America. It was trying to make this country not America. And that's the way I see it. But let me segue away from that. I could write a book series on J six. I'm not going to fucking lie or a movie. I can have a video for a goddamn movie be, I dunno. I'm trying to tread lightly on how I navigate the world to see if I can survive long enough to get back to Minnesota. I'm not going away right away, but you're going to see me less out there. I've learned a lot of lessons in the past since Saturday. I've learned a lot of really hard lessons, but some kind of not that when people were all pretty chill with me, they'd be like, why are you wearing a bulletproof vest? Because I've been doing this for a long time before I even fucking moved here. And I know what happens when people love you, especially when they're opposed to you in the beginning. It always ends the same way generally. At least this one I learned a lot. It was a different beast. And I learned a lot of shit that I did not see, I did not see coming including Saturday where not that long ago, I found out that streams can be edited. They literally can. And I said the real time editing, which is like somebody yelling about their chat when you get to start speaking or whatever.
GuyerDigital: How'd you find that out, Sandy?
PocketSandy: Turn the camera away when it's whatever. But this is fucking, you go watch somebody's past stream that's still posted on their page or whatever. You guys tell me, do you think the SHA thing was 16 minutes? Because that's how much it was on ground zero stream?
Marine4America: I'm not sure and I don't really want to get too bogged down in it, but I'll let you talk
PocketSandy: On it. Yeah,Yeah, yeah. And that was kind of like, yeah, rhetorical. I want to give when I'm done speaking at least, and give Pam the opportunity to sort of tell her side of what I'm seeing out there and what I felt not just recently but for a while that people all misunderstand me and I'm finding out the hard way that not releasing content is quite literally deadly. If you do what I do, it is quite literally deadly to not meet people where they're at and where people are at is getting everything they know and only believing things they see on their screen. And that's the only source of truth for anybody in this fucking world right now. And I didn't do that. I missed that step and it became deadly. It would been hard this whole time. But I prioritize safety, my mission, my ability to understand the full problem from all the sides, but also my ability to be heard and get my ideas into people's heads in a way that isn't just anger in a way that they will forget by the time the night ends that I'm going to say a lot of offensive shit. But because I say it in a calmer voice and I try to navigate through the trigger words and all that bullshit just to be heard, that's ignorance. And what surprised me is the streams that MAGA put up with no intention for them to become violent to me. Those are the same streams that became violent from the left and kind of back to this being edited streams after the fact. It blows my mind that the platforms even allow that shit. And I still got to look into that more, but I can guarantee it. There's a lot of missing shit in these things. I never, on Saturday, I wasn't running interference for maga. I was yelling fire at him. I'm hurt. I'm still hurt. I needed to let shit off my chest. And leftist had told me, please don't do that. I didn't listen and I haven't listened to a lot of warnings lately. Fucking autistic and brain damage and all this shit. I'm damn near at savant with some kind of conversations than other ones. I'm tone deaf is fuck. And I have to own that where I started and where I ended, this wasn't planned exactly. I mean it wasn't planned. It just keep on reacting to my situation and choosing my past from there. Maybe I should have planned it, but who would be able to guess that it would've evolved into thisn and it is disturbing to see that everybody loves me one week and then the next, they want to get me committed. And that's what I mean when you guys are plotting to kill me. That is, oh, when you take Sandy down, when you get Sandy committed, we need to spend just enough propaganda to misunderstands to Sandy in a way that paints a different picture from what I am actually am. The persecution is absolutely insane, but it's not the first time I've been persecuted. I ran from this and I'm not running anymore, but I am. I'm going to go back there soon, probably this weekend, face the music, try to help people understand and then eventually, maybe not right away, maybe, yeah, right away, who knows. But I am going to go back to Minnesota for a while. I need to try to get the leftist and West Coast and leftist in Minnesota are polar opposites in so many ways. They're not the same type of people. It's left activists versus left idealist and the left idealist do activism, but only as a secondary. And I don't think that's the right way personally, but I also don't want to interfere in other people's way of showing up too much. I don't really do that. I don't really try to deescalate necessarily for mag's sake. A lot of the time it's just trying to keep everybody safe on my side. But when you only watch a few words, you only listen to a few words and you make a judgment. And some of those words are me just navigating it, navigating around the trigger words, navigating around all the conflicts and saying the words that set you off and all that. Yeah. It's what I have to do to get a real conversation. Their fucking country is fucked. This place is fucked. And I think Portland's a terrible representation of what's going on in this country. I think it really is. I think we bring a bunch of weird shit here sometimes from across the nation. Everybody comes here, bring their fucking lunacy. And that's why I need a break and I need to put out content that I should have done to not get this coming on me. But Pam specifically, and I really do want to let you, I want to help. This has been my thing the whole way. I can straight up despise somebody, but that's not going to stop me from helping them grow. I'd rather help them grow if I can, even if it fails before I push them in the direction I don't want them to be in already. I don't think that's the solution. And I'm not throwing away half the country. I don't give a shit when anybody tells me I'm not fucking doing it. We won't win. We won't win if we do that. But it's all anybody wants. All everybody wants to hear is hate. Travels farther than love lies, travel further than truth. And everybody's lying and everybody hates. And I hate being an outlier. It's fucking crazy. And everybody's lost the plot so fucking much, so fucking much that it's threatening to see somebody that's kind, principled, articulate and dares to go against what other people say and try to tell me what I should be, what I should say. Tell police me. But I think the way, Pam, I don't know that anybody could fully know what is happening. I don't think anybody really fucking does. But you have judged me for a long while. Like, oh, you shouldn't talk to 'em. They're not your friends, whatever. But I don't think you understood what was happening when I was talking to them that I was able to tell them more scathing shit than you guys yell at 'em. But they listened to it. They might think about it walking around the grocery store, they're going to listen to it and their wife beat her eating Cheetos in their bed. And I perk up when I hear somebody yell, I got 10,000 viewers, whatever, not, I really love everything y'all are fucking doing, but because I get to put my ideas in your head in a way you won't throw away by the time the night ends and my stomach turns a lot when I do it. I sacrifice my reputation and my safety to do it. And there's several people that are alive today that have come out to thank me that are fucking terrified after seeing what happened to me. And people that align with me more and just want to say their voice, they want to say their peace. They're afraid to speak, not unlike I am. The only difference is I speak back and now they see that it's deadly to do that. You're going to get somebody that's infected with media that they're going to tell you it comes from a fascist, but they're going to believe it when they see it. Make it make sense. I'm naive, I'm naive. And Pam, quite literally your recent comments, it seemed like there was no sympathy. It was really just Maga's not your friends as a response. It's my fault. What I do is something you can't believe in. And I believe you can't believe in it because you never tried to understand it and most people didn't. And the really chilling reality of this is is this was planned on Saturday and they purposely didn't film it. They're caught on camera saying as much. They're also caught on camera telling lies and justifying violence, gang violence. And I don't think anybody really knows what happened. I'm going to say that right now. I think everybody needs to fucking know because your screens are lying to you. The screens are fucking lying to you. And that's how J six happened. Screens are fucking lying to you and this is the fascist work left, right, whatever your screens, they're fucking fascists behind that. But what happened to me, I came out there right the fuck away. I get circled, I get circled, surrounded. I tried to help Pam being Mac. Well, okay, I came out there, I went to go yell at MAGA and then Chris fucking grabs onto somebody. I yell at Chris and I'm like, what the fuck? Why are we touching people? To me, the dildos were not the same as tackling somebody or whatever, but whatever. Everything's different in hindsight now. But I came out, I went over there to just see what's going on with them. That's it. Just watch. Just view it. And when I was yelling behind all of the leftists, I wasn't yelling at the leftists. I was yelling at maga. And I think when hate really infects people, the propaganda, they can't hear your words with any sort of understanding at all. You can't even say anything anymore when it gets bad enough. They're only going to hear different words than you said. And I decontaminated and then I got surrounded and they wouldn't let me leave, but they were trying to tell me to go. They were holding onto me. They're like, just leave. And I'm like, I'm trying. So I try to get away from 'em and I'm principled. I'm going to say you the shit. The difference here is what? I'm traumatized. I'm not going to have all of my abilities and it just is what it is. And I also am a unique person. I'm going to say words like terrorist and criminal, but there's nuance to both of those fucking words. There's also conditioning of talking to maybe too much and needing to navigate the conversations in ways that I need to keep the conversations going. And I'm kind of conditioned in my own fucking way too. None of us are immune from fascism even if you don't like it. And I think everybody needs to hear that. It's like the I'm not racist thing, but they don't put any work into understanding why the system is racism. But I am disturbed Pam, and like I said, I want to give you the grace to give you what people aren't giving me and ability to understand or at least an ability to grow. And I think perpetuating this thing became deadly. You didn't know it in the beginning and nobody did. But it's been overwhelming. All of the force against me from both sides. It's been overwhelming. It's changing me. I'm breaking barriers that I really, I didn't ever want to do and I'm trying to peel it back now, but I think it seems like you were agreeing with black block, maybe not without even knowing that they surrounded me. Oh, I'm sorry, I missed it. Let me just get through and stop. I'll shut the fuck up. I'm going to tell you what happened to me. I got surrounded. They were trying to get me the fuck out of there. Something about the memorial that I kneeled down because fucking Rene good was my goddamn fucking neighbor. I mourn her there, but they chased me out. I tried to move across the street. They were coming at me some more. I moved around. Then they tried to just, they marched me out of there with violence. I come back, I don't want to get pushed out. I ran from my fucking city and it was kind of the same. I try to yell my perspective, but the lies are too strong and they travel further than truth. Even if you're talking to somebody directly. It is just devastating. It is really devastating and really, really genuinely good. People can be corrupted by fascism too, just more rapidly than I thought. It could fucking happen sometimes overnight. And it's these goddamn screens. It's our media. And I think people should talk to me directly. Yes, I do have to navigate conversations in a way to have a conversation. It might look a little fucky, but talk to me. That's it. Don't be a coward. And there's a lot of fucking cowards out there that only feel safe when they have a gang with them or when they're sitting behind their fucking screen. Bunch of fucking cowards. And truly, I do a lot out there. I put myself in risk all the fucking time. And part of the reason I wear that fucking bulletproof vest was just thinking, shit, if I'm going to get in front of a gun this much, I should probably wear this. But yeah, they chased me around. I think the really big piece of this is they threatened to shoot me and one of them kept on trying to pull something out of their jacket and they kept on trying to stop him. The one, the more violent one is that. But when they're trying to stop his violent, shut the fuck up guy. Or shut the fuck up. You
GuyerDigital (02:00:55): Don't tell me what to do. Sandy was
Marine4America (02:00:58): Saturday.
PocketSandy (02:00:58): I don't give a shit. Motherfucker
Marine4America (02:01:00): Was this Saturday.
PocketSandy (02:01:02): I don't give a shit. Motherfucker. Jesus Christ.
Marine4America (02:01:05): We talk,
PocketSandy (02:01:06): We'll talk maybe, maybe, maybe. Bitch
Marine4America (02:01:08): Fuck. You can come back up in. Sandy's done. Let's Sandy there piece. What the fuck? I'll let you come back up. When Sandy's done with her piece is fair. Yeah,
PamHemphill79 (02:01:15): That's not,
PocketSandy (02:01:17): I'm laying on the plane. This is the most important part every one of you need to fucking hear.(02:01:27)They were threatening to shoot me. They're threatening to fucking shoot me. And they kept on telling him just to not do it, don't do it. And whether or not he had a fucking fucking gun, he threatened to shoot me. And he was poking something in his jacket directed towards me. And the night really ended with him chasing me. I couldn't get my e-bike to turn on and give me power to the wheels in time. I finally fucking did. And he hit me in the face, but all the way down my body with mace and I crashed right the fuck through the old spaghetti factories gates and knocked them off, crashed my bike, fucked up my bike, realized they stole a bunch of shit, broke a bunch of shit. I'm like thousands lost here. I got really beat up, cut scrapes, bruises, head to toe. I couldn't walk that well on Sunday. Really needed help to walk. And then there comes Guyer to come get his moment and then use it for more propaganda. That's cool. I don't know what the fuck. You know what? We don't have to talk about Guyer whatever. That's all I'm going to fucking say on him. But I think this is devastating and I think everybody needs to take a hard look at what's happening because I don't get pushed out of spaces and you can't talk me into, not into caving to this shit. And in some ways, because people on my side that understand what I'm doing and disagree with some of this shit, they don't have a voice because they're scared. The people that were victims of gun violence that wouldn't be breathing today, they're scared after seeing this. And when we prioritize, perpetuating a message over helping me, that's fucking bullshit. If you want to stand on your point and say, well, this or whatever, when I'm not sure if I'm going to be alive tomorrow, that's fucked up. Straight up. It's fucked up. I don't give a shit what you think. It's fucked up in my opinion. Table your fucking shit soapbox. Fuck that. I'm burning your soapbox down motherfucker. I don't give a shit. I'm making a documentary at the end of this. And as it stands right now, Mag's going to look like a piece of shit for some of it. But if I die tomorrow, the leftists are going to look like a piece of shit, maybe even fucking more. I don't want that to end that way. The whole country's going to fucking know. And if I die out there and I have that hood on, I'm pulling it all off while the life drains out of my fucking body.So all those fucking cameras can see, the whole nation will learn from this. The whole fucking nation will learn from this. And good luck keeping your goddamn job or your freedom. Good luck with the shit y'all have fucking said about me. Good fucking luck with your criminal conspiracy. They're going to have to open up a whole new fucking wing in the prison for you. Just like Jan six, just like Jan, six, everybody's fucking around and they don't know what the fucking is going on. Nobody has the courage to break through their fucking propaganda. And I can convince somebody something one day and some video the next morning is going to talk them back. Out of that, I gave up on fighting a lot of the lies. I just fucking just throw out quips now because it doesn't fucking matter anymore. It would take a team of 20 people fighting the lies and it still wouldn't work because the lies travel further than the truth. That's just it. A bunch of fascism, and I shouldn't be surprised, the fascism came to the left. It did in World War ii. It did. Y'all need to learn your fucking history about fascism. Nobody's immune to it.Trump's ruining the economy because that was the foundation of Germany's fascism was desperation. Nobody sees this shit. All your screens, the oligarchs, the fascists, they're controlling your fucking media. They're conditioning you into being fascist too. Even if you call yourself an anti-fascist, this is how it worked in World War ii. This is how it worked. Learn your goddamn history for real, for real. I want to help people grow. I want to have that discourse because when that discourse dies, this country dies too. And I fucking hate Charlie Kirk so fucking much. But I also hate he was killed. So I don't get to give him my fucking fire like I do to some of you. I fucking hate that. I want to talk all this shit about him, but now I can't fuck that. I don't like Charlie Kirk. I don't want him to die in front of his family, mainly because I want to talk shit to him.I want to get in front of him and see if I can win that fucking war. I would love that. I would love that, but I can't now. So discourse is dying in this fucking country, and that's part of the reason we are dying and the oligarchs are controlling every single fucking one of you, every single one of you. And I'm landing it now. I could go on forever. Forever and ever and ever and ever, and I need to do that on my own time now, and I think that's my survival strategy at this point, point. So y'all say what you need to say, Pam, I would appreciate it if you can speak to your recent comments, what you think about what I just said, and whether you would choose furthering your message over my wellbeing and understanding what I'm doing with Grace. So yeah, without a yield.
PamHemphill79 (02:08:01): Well, first I had been sprayed. I couldn't see, my mind was not in the right place. I was very upset. Pepper spray, man, that shit hurts, and then I just hear something going on. I don't know what's going on. I think I went over at one point to see if I could help. I've learned a lot in LASIK trying to keep purpose of being involved. None of my business.
Marine4America (02:08:34): You're breaking up a little bit more. Pam,
PamHemphill79 (02:08:37): Can you hear me now?
PocketSandy (02:08:39): Yeah, I can hear you. Good. I'm going to be quick with my responses through this. I don't like to be addressed and then not, but I'm not going to go into monologue,
PamHemphill79 (02:08:46): But alls I know is in a divorce court, you got to hear both sides of the story. I don't know both sides. I just can't get in the middle of something. I don't know what's happening and I had to go over and sit and nurse myself for a while. I couldn't see and I had it in my mouth and it scared me. I just got off oxygen. However, just hearing what happened to you and how it went down, it was not okay. I'm not happy with that. I'm sorry that happened to you. Nobody's happy to hear that anybody got hurt. If they are, there's something wrong with them and I'm really sorry that happened to you. I mean, I have tried to tell you not to talk to Mega because I've tried for three years. I get smeared, I get lied about, but I know your heart's in the right place. I know that mine has been too, and I end up cussing at 'em because I get so angry that everything was so peaceful. So they started coming around and getting people arrested that that hurt me to see people getting arrested and they're starting it.I don't know. I'm still learning. I'm still making mistakes. Unfortunately. I'm the leader. I'm the cause of everything. I'm influenced people. I don't want that position. I don't try to take it. I'm not going to get involved. I don't want to be involved. I'm there to videotape and talk to you guys on just a normal talk. I don't care what they're doing or not doing. I don't like gossip. I try to say, let's make sure the person's here when you're talking about 'em, because I don't want to hear gossip. I don't want to get in the middle and I'm sure saddened about whatever happened to you. I think we have to learn to just sit down because in my mind, I think something's happening when it's not. I need to sit down and say, Hey, this is what I'm hearing. This is what I'm thinking.Can you tell me what the hell's going on here? Why are you talking to Mega? That's how I would've done it. I would've taken you to the other block, sat down on a bench and say, Hey, I'm pissed off. I don't like you doing this. I just would've had a conversation with you and been honest with you. But that's how I would've handled it. But I'm not that person. Everybody handles things the way they handle it. Some handle it very well, some handle it very bad. But I can't take your inventory or their inventory. I have to just look at how I'm doing it. That's all I'm worried. That's what I have to focus on is me. And then can I ask yourself one question? What would you have done different now, looking back that night, what do you think you would've done different?
PocketSandy (02:11:50): Yeah. I first off, no, I didn't think you were in black block trying to hit me from behind, but your comments
PamHemphill79 (02:12:01): Wasn't even there.
PocketSandy (02:12:03): Right? But no. Yeah, so your comments after it signed your name to the wrong side of this, that's where I'm, that's my bone to pick. Not you in the moment jumping in and trying to be a bodyguard or whatever. That's not it. It's what you said after that really concerned me. Where you're saying I back up everything black block does and all this sort of things that you're saying that,
PamHemphill79 (02:12:29): Well,
PocketSandy (02:12:29): You
PamHemphill79 (02:12:29): Got to remember, I didn't know what they had attacked you. You got to understand that too.
PocketSandy (02:12:33): Right? Right. But you just said you want to hear both sides before you speak on something, right?
PamHemphill79 (02:12:38): Well, I do. I do support 'em. I mean, I support everybody down there, but you got to have both sides of the story,
PocketSandy (02:12:44): Right? No, that's, you do that.
PamHemphill79 (02:12:46): Why
PocketSandy (02:12:46): Didn't you do that, Pam?
PamHemphill79 (02:12:48): You what?
PocketSandy (02:12:48): Hold on. Hold on.
PamHemphill79 (02:12:50): It's not my job to stand up for anybody. Not,
PocketSandy (02:12:55): But you did, but you did and I'm a Pam factory. Did you know that? I'm making more PAMs.
PamHemphill79 (02:13:00): I'm not there. I'm
PocketSandy (02:13:01): A Pam factory. Don't you want more people to do what you did?
PamHemphill79 (02:13:05): I'm sorry that it happened to you. That's all I can say. I'm not approval of that. You hear that? Do you hear that?
PocketSandy (02:13:11): What? You
PamHemphill79 (02:13:12): Were the don't interrupt and maybe even know what
PocketSandy (02:13:15): Happened. Sorry.
PamHemphill79 (02:13:16): Do you hear this? I'm not happy. What happened to you?
PocketSandy (02:13:20): Do
PamHemphill79 (02:13:21): You hear that?
PocketSandy (02:13:23): I do, but
PamHemphill79 (02:13:24): I still don't know both sides of the story, so keep me out of it.
PocketSandy (02:13:31): You got into
PamHemphill79 (02:13:32): It. Hold up, Marine. Let me fit Marine. Goddammit,
Marine4America (02:13:35): I'm sorry, but I just got to be careful because that both sides, that phrase saying both sides of something, especially when someone's getting its act. Be careful with that, especially when you're talking to the victim. There might not be a,
PamHemphill79 (02:13:51): You don't understand. I don't know the whole story yesterday of her being it.
PocketSandy (02:13:56): Did you ask me about it? Actually, I did tell you some of the story. Dm,
PamHemphill79 (02:13:59): I I can't get it through people's head. Keep me out. Not there to be. But you jumped in,
PocketSandy (02:14:05): But you jumped in. You became,
PamHemphill79 (02:14:10): I'm sorry that this should not have happened. You're a good person.
PocketSandy (02:14:14): I believe you believe that,
PamHemphill79 (02:14:15): But leave me out of it. I'm not involved in it. It's not none of my affair. I don't belong involved in it.
PocketSandy (02:14:23): No, you kind of didn't
PamHemphill79 (02:14:25): Support you and I support black block. It's just a name. Anybody in black is a black block, but I support all of you.
PocketSandy (02:14:33): You support them. Even if they want to kill me,
PamHemphill79 (02:14:36): One person isn't them. We got to, to quit putting everybody in a box.
PocketSandy (02:14:41): They were in a group
PamHemphill79 (02:14:42): And they
PocketSandy (02:14:43): All did this
PamHemphill79 (02:14:43): Together. There's some good nega down there too. There's some good people down there that come from Mega. They're good. They're not starting
PocketSandy (02:14:50): Trouble. If you had gang violence, a gang beating, would you be like, well, don't judge a whole gang. I'm not talking about all of the left. Not fucking at all. I want to liberate them from people like these people. They moved together and when they were stopping him from pulling what the fuck ever out of his jacket, they were also assaulting me and kidnapping me at the same fucking time.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:13): Alls I'm asking is keep me out of it. Why am I involved? They all did it. Why I'm involved. Why do I
PocketSandy (02:15:19): Keep them out of the space? Honestly, they don't belong there.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:24): But why do people have differences and decide that I have to get involved in their differences? What do I have to do with it? That's all I want to know. Right,
PocketSandy (02:15:32): And that's where I'm at out there and everybody thinks I take a stand on other
PamHemphill79 (02:15:34): People's
PocketSandy (02:15:35): Shit.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:37): I'm sorry that you got a heart hurt.
PocketSandy (02:15:41): Yeah. I don't think you're taking, I love you, Pam, and I appreciate you Don't want me to get hurt in hindsight.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:48): Of course not,
PocketSandy (02:15:49): But I don't think you're taking accountability for what you said.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:53): I don't have to.
PocketSandy (02:15:55): Okay, so you stand by all those words.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:57): What words
PocketSandy (02:16:00): You just, even your ones right now, I stand by black block, but
Marine4America (02:16:07): I wouldn't stand by black block in 2026. Right now it feels like a bad idea.
PocketSandy (02:16:13): I stand by people that just have to know where to block out and they're part of the resistance and not against the resistance.
PamHemphill79 (02:16:20): You see why I want out? I don't want to do spaces. I don't want to go to Portland anymore. Talk to media and put a light on the truth. What's happening down there, because you're putting me in that I don't want to be involved in your fatty stuff that's going on down there. It's nothing to do with me.
PocketSandy (02:16:37): I would've never brought you into this conversation if you
PamHemphill79 (02:16:39): It, but he did the other night and asked the question. Alls I know is look it, when I say that, when I'm saying is anybody that's fighting fascism as my support, because we know what the hell they're trying to do destroy our country.
PocketSandy (02:16:55): What if they're fighting with fascism while calling themselves Antifa?
Marine4America (02:17:03): I'm kind of doing that a little bit in this space, but I realize it's a way different magnitude of what happened and it's, yeah,
PamHemphill79 (02:17:11): It could have been done.
PocketSandy (02:17:13): I really want to know if
PamHemphill79 (02:17:13): It could have been done different. You heard mePocketSandy (02:17:16): Say that really big thing. Yeah, and I want to answer your other question, what I've done differently, but
PamHemphill79 (02:17:23): This sounds like you're trying to start people to not like me now. See, this is
PocketSandy (02:17:27): Yes,
PamHemphill79 (02:17:27): Yes. I came here to not do that. Yes, you are. I came here to not do that. I wouldn't have asked your I don't want to just, if somebody attacked me, I wouldn't be putting you on the spot it. You weren't even there, but you weren't there if somebody attacked. What?
PocketSandy (02:17:42): I wasn't there. I was
PamHemphill79 (02:17:43): Literally the one being assaulted. Listen, if you weren't involved in it, why would I bring you and get you involved?
PocketSandy (02:17:51): Why would you stand by the people that threatened to kill me?
PamHemphill79 (02:17:55): I stood by them as their principal of why they're there. I didn't know anybody hit you. You got to understand that.
PocketSandy (02:18:01): All right. All right. Well,
PamHemphill79 (02:18:03): I didn't know. I'm just finding out this stuff.
PocketSandy (02:18:07): I think you did by
PamHemphill79 (02:18:08): The time you said that it came against anybody hitting anybody. You know that Everybody knows that.
PocketSandy (02:18:12): Yeah, right, but why wasn't that the priority to learning that I got violence
PamHemphill79 (02:18:19): To say stuff on the hot seat for you?
PocketSandy (02:18:23): No, here's the deal. Lemme say it one more time.
PamHemphill79 (02:18:25): It's almost like it's my fault. I
PocketSandy (02:18:27): Wouldn't have brought you into this.
PamHemphill79 (02:18:28): It's my fault. I wouldn't have
PocketSandy (02:18:29): Brought you into this.
PamHemphill79 (02:18:29): Whatever you did that brought that up, it's not
PocketSandy (02:18:31): Your fault
PamHemphill79 (02:18:31): Has nothing to do with me. I'm saying nothing to do that was between you and them. It had nothing to do with me.
PocketSandy (02:18:39): Yeah. Well,
PamHemphill79 (02:18:42): No. I'm sorry that that did happen. You said
PocketSandy (02:18:44): Your comments.
PamHemphill79 (02:18:45): You
PocketSandy (02:18:45): Said your comments.
PamHemphill79 (02:18:46): I told you I do not like what happened to you. Is that not good enough?
PocketSandy (02:18:55): I am
PamHemphill79 (02:18:55): Happy. Am I supposed to say that was your fault that they hit you? That would be wrong. I would be wrong,
PocketSandy (02:19:01): But
PamHemphill79 (02:19:01): I don't.
PocketSandy (02:19:02): No, I mean, sometimes
PamHemphill79 (02:19:04): I am sad that you got hurt. What?
PocketSandy (02:19:05): Sometimes it looks like that when
PamHemphill79 (02:19:07): Somebody
PocketSandy (02:19:07): Brings up the violence and you say, I told you not to talk
PamHemphill79 (02:19:10): To Mag, and that's why we talk. Well, I did. Come on. People have warned me about stuff and I paid a price. Remember? Why
PocketSandy (02:19:18): Was that the important thing to say instead
PamHemphill79 (02:19:20): Of support? Because pocket, I've lived 46 years looking at what I did to create my own problems, my problems of my own making. That doesn't mean my, did you magnet this to me? No. It's not my fault if somebody stabs me, but some things are not our fault. We didn't create it, but I got to make, make sure I do an inventory and see what was my part in it though. That's all.
PocketSandy (02:19:46): Did you think Mag did it to me?
PamHemphill79 (02:19:48): No. I'm explaining a philosophy that I live by. I don't start blaming other people. What happened to me. If I add a part in it,
PocketSandy (02:20:00): I'm just talking about what you did in your part in it. That's it. I believe you didn't want to have it happen to me in hindsight.
PamHemphill79 (02:20:07): No. Hell no.
PocketSandy (02:20:08): I believe you.
PamHemphill79 (02:20:09): You're a good person. You've got a goodPocketSandy (02:20:11): Heart. I don't want to character assassinate you, at least without letting you talk on it, and I want to help you grow and not put you down. That's why I'm here. I want to share love and not hate and my love. It sucks. It doesn't travel further than the hate, but it is what it is. But I am having trouble watching my own videos. It's a little traumatic. I'm not going to lie. I'm going to get through it and I want to get all the truth out there, and I think a bunch of people are going to look like fucking idiots,
PamHemphill79 (02:20:44): Not
PocketSandy (02:20:45): Idiots. They're going to know they've been doing some fascism
PamHemphill79 (02:20:51): Live and let live, leave people alone. Leave people alone.
PocketSandy (02:20:55): They
PamHemphill79 (02:20:55): Don't make their own mistakes,
PocketSandy (02:20:57): But why did you think it was like the time to say, well, you shouldn't talk to MAGA when I'm being attacked. Do you think MAGA did it?
PamHemphill79 (02:21:07): What do you mean? No, no. Tell me if I'm wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong knee jerk. You've got to understand. I don't know what's going on here. I've got no information and you're wanting me to make a judgment call on something. You've got to have all the facts in front of me, so I'm going off what I usually do. Were they upset that you were talking to mega? Is that what happened? I don't know what happened.
PocketSandy (02:21:37): Yeah, and they were upset that they think that MAGA was, they think that I'm working with them. For them. They think that I'm backing up Shooter Shane, and then they turned into super shooter. Shane's the shooter, Shane gang. It's weird. It's a real world, but you replied the don't talk to MAGA shit to some of the truths of violence too. You were literally replying to it.
PamHemphill79 (02:22:10): I said, don't talk to maga. Believe me, I've tried. They will spin you around and love bomb you, and then before you know it, they're stabbing you in the back. It's happened to me. I thought we're having a great conversation. The next day they put out a smear. I thought, what the hell? I'm being nice. I'm talking to 'em. I'm being friendly. I'm not cussing them out a thousand
PocketSandy (02:22:29): Percent,
PamHemphill79 (02:22:29): And then they turned around and lied about me. It hurt my feelings. I thought they want to build the bridge. They want to have a debate. I'm willing to talk to anybody in a decent way. I wasn't calling on the C word or putting them down. Then they came the next day and said, why don't you talk to me? I said, do you know what you just said about me? You're setting me up to be a leader down here. You're putting me in danger. People are telling me they want to kill me. Why should I talk to you?
PocketSandy (02:23:00): Do you know why? Fought some of your battles for you when I talked to 'em,
PamHemphill79 (02:23:03): Oh, well, you don't have to honey. It's okay.
PocketSandy (02:23:06): I do it for everybody.
PamHemphill79 (02:23:08): I just know from experience. My hope. We all hope we could get through to me. Please show up Monday. Steven Hansen will be here and he wrote the book, the Cult of Trump, and his topic is How to talk to MAGA. I told him I fell terribly at it. I do. I need to not talk to him because I don't know how yet. I don't know how to come from a place where I'm not angry at 'em. I'm angry at 'em, not where I want anybody hurt, but I'm angry because they're dividing our country. This is the anger I have and they don't see it. They don't realize that we are trying to save their democracy. We're their enemies, and here we're actually trying to help save this country. They have it backwards, so I got to back off and just stay with the people that I know and like you and others and chitchat with you guys. I don't want to chitchat with MAGA anymore.
PocketSandy (02:24:04): Is it okay if I chitchat all my anger at them in a calmer voice?
PamHemphill79 (02:24:07): You need to do whatever you think is right for you. You know what I'm saying? Multiple
Marine4America (02:24:11): People have told me, start another space, Sandy, so I'd be down to listen to you have a fuller rant because also in that last space, I completely fell asleep. I'm three hours ahead. I was tired and I completely missed the whole part about you being in the hospital. Yeah, I didn't
PocketSandy (02:24:29): Listen to it yet.
Marine4America (02:24:31): I just know I missed an hour, maybe even an hour and a half. I don't even know when I fell asleep, but I was like, holy shit. Something happened when I was, all right. Well, that's why people think I'm Pam's handler because when I fell asleep, some shit went off the rails.
PocketSandy (02:24:49): Yeah, no, it's all good, but let me just drive it back. I really, I want to help you, Pam. I know you got a kind heart and holy shit fucking, you're a strong woman for doing what you did for real props. Spending more time locked up for principle. That's fucking hell. Yeah. Hell yeah, but when the topic is violence towards me, why do you respond with, don't talk to MAGA as a reply to the Antifa
Troll (02:25:27): Fought on the side of the Confederacy. She's a dirty turncoat. Don't trust her.
PocketSandy (02:25:31): Are we Soundboarding?
Troll (02:25:32): Don't trust her.
PocketSandy (02:25:34): This is the live editing that MAGA does when they're live streaming.
Marine4America (02:25:41): Yeah, they're not serious people and I can't speak too much about Portland specifically. That's why I want to give you time, and especially because I fell asleep, but I can only speak to MAGA generally and Philadelphia specifically and yeah,
PocketSandy (02:26:00): Yeah. I mean it's okay. I'll drop it. I don't agree with, oh, I didn't know anything but replying to the thing that you can know anything with, you shouldn't talk to mega, which is that you shouldn't talk to MAGA is why I got violence.
PamHemphill79 (02:26:15): Oh, I see where you're coming from. Okay, see, communication is so important because I didn't know that's how you thought about it. Okay, so how I meant is because I didn't want to see you get hurt by them and look at Guyer. He's out there putting out this fucking video. I'm so pissed at him. No, no. What? No, no violence because you talk to 'em. Just I thought it's what they've done to me. They will smear you. They're using people. They do. They love bombing you. They bring in, you know what? I have no business. I tell people, don't throw things, don't hurt anybody. People got to do what they're going to do. I got to leave people alone. We're trying to be role models and trying to give suggestions to keep to peace and don't beat no violence. However, we can't control it. We can't control people. Everybody's going to decide on their own how to protest. It's not my way. Everybody decides for themselves. They're adults. They know the consequences. I'm trying to tell myself, leave people alone. I know why I'm there. I'm there to video and have conversation with the people in the community and get to know you. It's more important to learn about you than them. I already know about them. What's your favorite color? What's your hobbies? What kind of music do you like know you as a person? Not fucking politics all the time.
PocketSandy (02:27:48): I would love for you to,
PamHemphill79 (02:27:50): I don't know each other.
PocketSandy (02:27:52): Yeah, I would love that you, I would love for you to try to learn me as a person and whether or not you believe it or not, I don't think you put enough effort into that.
PamHemphill79 (02:28:01): Yeah, I'm not there to do that. You got to understand I'm not there to really make friends per se. You said you wanted because I live in Idaho. What mean you got to be careful when you're in another state because then you're going to miss them. You know what I mean? My mission is
PocketSandy (02:28:19): Fully undone. The mag
PamHemphill79 (02:28:21): Fit though. My mission is not to come there to make friends. My mission was to prove Trump wrong. That's it.
PocketSandy (02:28:29): So you don't want to hear who I am, my person and all that. I'm confused. We went from one thing to the other. I
PamHemphill79 (02:28:36): Said, it's nice to just talk to not to mega and to the protestors and learn about each other. I'm so busy. I'm busy videoing. I don't have time to do social with people. It's not what I'm there for. I'm not there to make friends. I'm not there to be social. Now the common social, of course, you talk for a minute and you go on and you do your business in the middle of trying to catch videos of what's happening and I have to drop a conversation and run across the street. You got to understand that.
PocketSandy (02:29:14): It makes it hard to believe your words when
PamHemphill79 (02:29:16): You say one thing
PocketSandy (02:29:17): And then flip to
PamHemphill79 (02:29:18): The other end andPocketSandy (02:29:19): 30 seconds
PamHemphill79 (02:29:20): Plan. If anybody wants to invite me for coffee down the street, sit down for an hour and get to know it, that's fine. I can plan it and I've planned that with a few people to get to know. I can't do it when I'm there in the corner. It's like trying to get a nurse as an emergency room to have a conversation with you.
PocketSandy (02:29:41): So you think you should have made the comments without knowing.
PamHemphill79 (02:29:46): You got to be specific so I know what you're talking about.
PocketSandy (02:29:50): I mean, it's literally all of them. Since, I mean all, I dunno, I am trying to, because I really do. I got love for you. I do think just straight talk. I do think that you did a lot of work to get where you're at today, but I think there's still more work to undo the conditioning that brought you where you were to get to Jan six, and I think that's what we're seeing a little bit of right now. I think saying that you should try to hear somebody out and then saying you're not there to hear anybody out in 30 seconds. It puts everything you say in question. It makes me, how do I believe the really good things? I want to believe those and I'm a naive.
PamHemphill79 (02:30:49): You don't have to. Don't worry about it. You don't have to.
PamHemphill79 (02:12:01): Wasn't even there.
PocketSandy (02:12:03): Right? But no. Yeah, so your comments after it signed your name to the wrong side of this, that's where I'm, that's my bone to pick. Not you in the moment jumping in and trying to be a bodyguard or whatever. That's not it. It's what you said after that really concerned me. Where you're saying I back up everything black block does and all this sort of things that you're saying that,
PamHemphill79 (02:12:29): Well,
PocketSandy (02:12:29): You
PamHemphill79 (02:12:29): Got to remember, I didn't know what they had attacked you. You got to understand that too.
PocketSandy (02:12:33): Right? Right. But you just said you want to hear both sides before you speak on something, right?
PamHemphill79 (02:12:38): Well, I do. I do support 'em. I mean, I support everybody down there, but you got to have both sides of the story,
PocketSandy (02:12:44): Right? No, that's, you do that.
PamHemphill79 (02:12:46): Why
PocketSandy (02:12:46): Didn't you do that, Pam?
PamHemphill79 (02:12:48): You what?
PocketSandy (02:12:48): Hold on. Hold on.
PamHemphill79 (02:12:50): It's not my job to stand up for anybody. Not,
PocketSandy (02:12:55): But you did, but you did and I'm a Pam factory. Did you know that? I'm making more PAMs.
PamHemphill79 (02:13:00): I'm not there. I'm
PocketSandy (02:13:01): A Pam factory. Don't you want more people to do what you did?
PamHemphill79 (02:13:05): I'm sorry that it happened to you. That's all I can say. I'm not approval of that. You hear that? Do you hear that?
PocketSandy (02:13:11): What? You
PamHemphill79 (02:13:12): Were the don't interrupt and maybe even know what
PocketSandy (02:13:15): Happened. Sorry.
PamHemphill79 (02:13:16): Do you hear this? I'm not happy. What happened to you?
PocketSandy (02:13:20): Do
PamHemphill79 (02:13:21): You hear that?
PocketSandy (02:13:23): I do, but
PamHemphill79 (02:13:24): I still don't know both sides of the story, so keep me out of it.
PocketSandy (02:13:31): You got into
PamHemphill79 (02:13:32): It. Hold up, Marine. Let me fit Marine. Goddammit,
Marine4America (02:13:35): I'm sorry, but I just got to be careful because that both sides, that phrase saying both sides of something, especially when someone's getting its act. Be careful with that, especially when you're talking to the victim. There might not be a,
PamHemphill79 (02:13:51): You don't understand. I don't know the whole story yesterday of her being it.
PocketSandy (02:13:56): Did you ask me about it? Actually, I did tell you some of the story. Dm,
PamHemphill79 (02:13:59): I I can't get it through people's head. Keep me out. Not there to be. But you jumped in,
PocketSandy (02:14:05): But you jumped in. You became,
PamHemphill79 (02:14:10): I'm sorry that this should not have happened. You're a good person.
PocketSandy (02:14:14): I believe you believe that,
PamHemphill79 (02:14:15): But leave me out of it. I'm not involved in it. It's not none of my affair. I don't belong involved in it.
PocketSandy (02:14:23): No, you kind of didn't
PamHemphill79 (02:14:25): Support you and I support black block. It's just a name. Anybody in black is a black block, but I support all of you.
PocketSandy (02:14:33): You support them. Even if they want to kill me,
PamHemphill79 (02:14:36): One person isn't them. We got to, to quit putting everybody in a box.
PocketSandy (02:14:41): They were in a group
PamHemphill79 (02:14:42): And they
PocketSandy (02:14:43): All did this
PamHemphill79 (02:14:43): Together. There's some good nega down there too. There's some good people down there that come from Mega. They're good. They're not starting
PocketSandy (02:14:50): Trouble. If you had gang violence, a gang beating, would you be like, well, don't judge a whole gang. I'm not talking about all of the left. Not fucking at all. I want to liberate them from people like these people. They moved together and when they were stopping him from pulling what the fuck ever out of his jacket, they were also assaulting me and kidnapping me at the same fucking time.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:13): Alls I'm asking is keep me out of it. Why am I involved? They all did it. Why I'm involved. Why do I
PocketSandy (02:15:19): Keep them out of the space? Honestly, they don't belong there.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:24): But why do people have differences and decide that I have to get involved in their differences? What do I have to do with it? That's all I want to know. Right,
PocketSandy (02:15:32): And that's where I'm at out there and everybody thinks I take a stand on other
PamHemphill79 (02:15:34): People's
PocketSandy (02:15:35): Shit.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:37): I'm sorry that you got a heart hurt.
PocketSandy (02:15:41): Yeah. I don't think you're taking, I love you, Pam, and I appreciate you Don't want me to get hurt in hindsight.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:48): Of course not,
PocketSandy (02:15:49): But I don't think you're taking accountability for what you said.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:53): I don't have to.
PocketSandy (02:15:55): Okay, so you stand by all those words.
PamHemphill79 (02:15:57): What words
PocketSandy (02:16:00): You just, even your ones right now, I stand by black block, but
Marine4America (02:16:07): I wouldn't stand by black block in 2026. Right now it feels like a bad idea.
PocketSandy (02:16:13): I stand by people that just have to know where to block out and they're part of the resistance and not against the resistance.
PamHemphill79 (02:16:20): You see why I want out? I don't want to do spaces. I don't want to go to Portland anymore. Talk to media and put a light on the truth. What's happening down there, because you're putting me in that I don't want to be involved in your fatty stuff that's going on down there. It's nothing to do with me.
PocketSandy (02:16:37): I would've never brought you into this conversation if you
PamHemphill79 (02:16:39): It, but he did the other night and asked the question. Alls I know is look it, when I say that, when I'm saying is anybody that's fighting fascism as my support, because we know what the hell they're trying to do destroy our country.
PocketSandy (02:16:55): What if they're fighting with fascism while calling themselves Antifa?
Marine4America (02:17:03): I'm kind of doing that a little bit in this space, but I realize it's a way different magnitude of what happened and it's, yeah,
PamHemphill79 (02:17:11): It could have been done.
PocketSandy (02:17:13): I really want to know if
PamHemphill79 (02:17:13): It could have been done different. You heard mePocketSandy (02:17:16): Say that really big thing. Yeah, and I want to answer your other question, what I've done differently, but
PamHemphill79 (02:17:23): This sounds like you're trying to start people to not like me now. See, this is
PocketSandy (02:17:27): Yes,
PamHemphill79 (02:17:27): Yes. I came here to not do that. Yes, you are. I came here to not do that. I wouldn't have asked your I don't want to just, if somebody attacked me, I wouldn't be putting you on the spot it. You weren't even there, but you weren't there if somebody attacked. What?
PocketSandy (02:17:42): I wasn't there. I was
PamHemphill79 (02:17:43): Literally the one being assaulted. Listen, if you weren't involved in it, why would I bring you and get you involved?
PocketSandy (02:17:51): Why would you stand by the people that threatened to kill me?
PamHemphill79 (02:17:55): I stood by them as their principal of why they're there. I didn't know anybody hit you. You got to understand that.
PocketSandy (02:18:01): All right. All right. Well,
PamHemphill79 (02:18:03): I didn't know. I'm just finding out this stuff.
PocketSandy (02:18:07): I think you did by
PamHemphill79 (02:18:08): The time you said that it came against anybody hitting anybody. You know that Everybody knows that.
PocketSandy (02:18:12): Yeah, right, but why wasn't that the priority to learning that I got violence
PamHemphill79 (02:18:19): To say stuff on the hot seat for you?
PocketSandy (02:18:23): No, here's the deal. Lemme say it one more time.
PamHemphill79 (02:18:25): It's almost like it's my fault. I
PocketSandy (02:18:27): Wouldn't have brought you into this.
PamHemphill79 (02:18:28): It's my fault. I wouldn't have
PocketSandy (02:18:29): Brought you into this.
PamHemphill79 (02:18:29): Whatever you did that brought that up, it's not
PocketSandy (02:18:31): Your fault
PamHemphill79 (02:18:31): Has nothing to do with me. I'm saying nothing to do that was between you and them. It had nothing to do with me.
PocketSandy (02:18:39): Yeah. Well,
PamHemphill79 (02:18:42): No. I'm sorry that that did happen. You said
PocketSandy (02:18:44): Your comments.
PamHemphill79 (02:18:45): You
PocketSandy (02:18:45): Said your comments.
PamHemphill79 (02:18:46): I told you I do not like what happened to you. Is that not good enough?
PocketSandy (02:18:55): I am
PamHemphill79 (02:18:55): Happy. Am I supposed to say that was your fault that they hit you? That would be wrong. I would be wrong,
PocketSandy (02:19:01): But
PamHemphill79 (02:19:01): I don't.
PocketSandy (02:19:02): No, I mean, sometimes
PamHemphill79 (02:19:04): I am sad that you got hurt. What?
PocketSandy (02:19:05): Sometimes it looks like that when
PamHemphill79 (02:19:07): Somebody
PocketSandy (02:19:07): Brings up the violence and you say, I told you not to talk
PamHemphill79 (02:19:10): To Mag, and that's why we talk. Well, I did. Come on. People have warned me about stuff and I paid a price. Remember? Why
PocketSandy (02:19:18): Was that the important thing to say instead
PamHemphill79 (02:19:20): Of support? Because pocket, I've lived 46 years looking at what I did to create my own problems, my problems of my own making. That doesn't mean my, did you magnet this to me? No. It's not my fault if somebody stabs me, but some things are not our fault. We didn't create it, but I got to make, make sure I do an inventory and see what was my part in it though. That's all.
PocketSandy (02:19:46): Did you think Mag did it to me?
PamHemphill79 (02:19:48): No. I'm explaining a philosophy that I live by. I don't start blaming other people. What happened to me. If I add a part in it,
PocketSandy (02:20:00): I'm just talking about what you did in your part in it. That's it. I believe you didn't want to have it happen to me in hindsight.
PamHemphill79 (02:20:07): No. Hell no.
PocketSandy (02:20:08): I believe you.
PamHemphill79 (02:20:09): You're a good person. You've got a goodPocketSandy (02:20:11): Heart. I don't want to character assassinate you, at least without letting you talk on it, and I want to help you grow and not put you down. That's why I'm here. I want to share love and not hate and my love. It sucks. It doesn't travel further than the hate, but it is what it is. But I am having trouble watching my own videos. It's a little traumatic. I'm not going to lie. I'm going to get through it and I want to get all the truth out there, and I think a bunch of people are going to look like fucking idiots,
PamHemphill79 (02:20:44): Not
PocketSandy (02:20:45): Idiots. They're going to know they've been doing some fascism
PamHemphill79 (02:20:51): Live and let live, leave people alone. Leave people alone.
PocketSandy (02:20:55): They
PamHemphill79 (02:20:55): Don't make their own mistakes,
PocketSandy (02:20:57): But why did you think it was like the time to say, well, you shouldn't talk to MAGA when I'm being attacked. Do you think MAGA did it?
PamHemphill79 (02:21:07): What do you mean? No, no. Tell me if I'm wrong. Correct me if I'm wrong knee jerk. You've got to understand. I don't know what's going on here. I've got no information and you're wanting me to make a judgment call on something. You've got to have all the facts in front of me, so I'm going off what I usually do. Were they upset that you were talking to mega? Is that what happened? I don't know what happened.
PocketSandy (02:21:37): Yeah, and they were upset that they think that MAGA was, they think that I'm working with them. For them. They think that I'm backing up Shooter Shane, and then they turned into super shooter. Shane's the shooter, Shane gang. It's weird. It's a real world, but you replied the don't talk to MAGA shit to some of the truths of violence too. You were literally replying to it.
PamHemphill79 (02:22:10): I said, don't talk to maga. Believe me, I've tried. They will spin you around and love bomb you, and then before you know it, they're stabbing you in the back. It's happened to me. I thought we're having a great conversation. The next day they put out a smear. I thought, what the hell? I'm being nice. I'm talking to 'em. I'm being friendly. I'm not cussing them out a thousand
PocketSandy (02:22:29): Percent,
PamHemphill79 (02:22:29): And then they turned around and lied about me. It hurt my feelings. I thought they want to build the bridge. They want to have a debate. I'm willing to talk to anybody in a decent way. I wasn't calling on the C word or putting them down. Then they came the next day and said, why don't you talk to me? I said, do you know what you just said about me? You're setting me up to be a leader down here. You're putting me in danger. People are telling me they want to kill me. Why should I talk to you?
PocketSandy (02:23:00): Do you know why? Fought some of your battles for you when I talked to 'em,
PamHemphill79 (02:23:03): Oh, well, you don't have to honey. It's okay.
PocketSandy (02:23:06): I do it for everybody.
PamHemphill79 (02:23:08): I just know from experience. My hope. We all hope we could get through to me. Please show up Monday. Steven Hansen will be here and he wrote the book, the Cult of Trump, and his topic is How to talk to MAGA. I told him I fell terribly at it. I do. I need to not talk to him because I don't know how yet. I don't know how to come from a place where I'm not angry at 'em. I'm angry at 'em, not where I want anybody hurt, but I'm angry because they're dividing our country. This is the anger I have and they don't see it. They don't realize that we are trying to save their democracy. We're their enemies, and here we're actually trying to help save this country. They have it backwards, so I got to back off and just stay with the people that I know and like you and others and chitchat with you guys. I don't want to chitchat with MAGA anymore.
PocketSandy (02:24:04): Is it okay if I chitchat all my anger at them in a calmer voice?
PamHemphill79 (02:24:07): You need to do whatever you think is right for you. You know what I'm saying? Multiple
Marine4America (02:24:11): People have told me, start another space, Sandy, so I'd be down to listen to you have a fuller rant because also in that last space, I completely fell asleep. I'm three hours ahead. I was tired and I completely missed the whole part about you being in the hospital. Yeah, I didn't
PocketSandy (02:24:29): Listen to it yet.
Marine4America (02:24:31): I just know I missed an hour, maybe even an hour and a half. I don't even know when I fell asleep, but I was like, holy shit. Something happened when I was, all right. Well, that's why people think I'm Pam's handler because when I fell asleep, some shit went off the rails.
PocketSandy (02:24:49): Yeah, no, it's all good, but let me just drive it back. I really, I want to help you, Pam. I know you got a kind heart and holy shit fucking, you're a strong woman for doing what you did for real props. Spending more time locked up for principle. That's fucking hell. Yeah. Hell yeah, but when the topic is violence towards me, why do you respond with, don't talk to MAGA as a reply to the Antifa
Troll (02:25:27): Fought on the side of the Confederacy. She's a dirty turncoat. Don't trust her.
PocketSandy (02:25:31): Are we Soundboarding?
Troll (02:25:32): Don't trust her.
PocketSandy (02:25:34): This is the live editing that MAGA does when they're live streaming.
Marine4America (02:25:41): Yeah, they're not serious people and I can't speak too much about Portland specifically. That's why I want to give you time, and especially because I fell asleep, but I can only speak to MAGA generally and Philadelphia specifically and yeah,
PocketSandy (02:26:00): Yeah. I mean it's okay. I'll drop it. I don't agree with, oh, I didn't know anything but replying to the thing that you can know anything with, you shouldn't talk to mega, which is that you shouldn't talk to MAGA is why I got violence.
PamHemphill79 (02:26:15): Oh, I see where you're coming from. Okay, see, communication is so important because I didn't know that's how you thought about it. Okay, so how I meant is because I didn't want to see you get hurt by them and look at Guyer. He's out there putting out this fucking video. I'm so pissed at him. No, no. What? No, no violence because you talk to 'em. Just I thought it's what they've done to me. They will smear you. They're using people. They do. They love bombing you. They bring in, you know what? I have no business. I tell people, don't throw things, don't hurt anybody. People got to do what they're going to do. I got to leave people alone. We're trying to be role models and trying to give suggestions to keep to peace and don't beat no violence. However, we can't control it. We can't control people. Everybody's going to decide on their own how to protest. It's not my way. Everybody decides for themselves. They're adults. They know the consequences. I'm trying to tell myself, leave people alone. I know why I'm there. I'm there to video and have conversation with the people in the community and get to know you. It's more important to learn about you than them. I already know about them. What's your favorite color? What's your hobbies? What kind of music do you like know you as a person? Not fucking politics all the time.
PocketSandy (02:27:48): I would love for you to,
PamHemphill79 (02:27:50): I don't know each other.
PocketSandy (02:27:52): Yeah, I would love that you, I would love for you to try to learn me as a person and whether or not you believe it or not, I don't think you put enough effort into that.
PamHemphill79 (02:28:01): Yeah, I'm not there to do that. You got to understand I'm not there to really make friends per se. You said you wanted because I live in Idaho. What mean you got to be careful when you're in another state because then you're going to miss them. You know what I mean? My mission is
PocketSandy (02:28:19): Fully undone. The mag
PamHemphill79 (02:28:21): Fit though. My mission is not to come there to make friends. My mission was to prove Trump wrong. That's it.
PocketSandy (02:28:29): So you don't want to hear who I am, my person and all that. I'm confused. We went from one thing to the other. I
PamHemphill79 (02:28:36): Said, it's nice to just talk to not to mega and to the protestors and learn about each other. I'm so busy. I'm busy videoing. I don't have time to do social with people. It's not what I'm there for. I'm not there to make friends. I'm not there to be social. Now the common social, of course, you talk for a minute and you go on and you do your business in the middle of trying to catch videos of what's happening and I have to drop a conversation and run across the street. You got to understand that.
PocketSandy (02:29:14): It makes it hard to believe your words when
PamHemphill79 (02:29:16): You say one thing
PocketSandy (02:29:17): And then flip to
PamHemphill79 (02:29:18): The other end andPocketSandy (02:29:19): 30 seconds
PamHemphill79 (02:29:20): Plan. If anybody wants to invite me for coffee down the street, sit down for an hour and get to know it, that's fine. I can plan it and I've planned that with a few people to get to know. I can't do it when I'm there in the corner. It's like trying to get a nurse as an emergency room to have a conversation with you.
PocketSandy (02:29:41): So you think you should have made the comments without knowing.
PamHemphill79 (02:29:46): You got to be specific so I know what you're talking about.
PocketSandy (02:29:50): I mean, it's literally all of them. Since, I mean all, I dunno, I am trying to, because I really do. I got love for you. I do think just straight talk. I do think that you did a lot of work to get where you're at today, but I think there's still more work to undo the conditioning that brought you where you were to get to Jan six, and I think that's what we're seeing a little bit of right now. I think saying that you should try to hear somebody out and then saying you're not there to hear anybody out in 30 seconds. It puts everything you say in question. It makes me, how do I believe the really good things? I want to believe those and I'm a naive.
PamHemphill79 (02:30:49): You don't have to. Don't worry about it. You don't have to.
PocketSandy (02:30:53): Okay, all right.
PamHemphill79 (02:30:55): Look it. You're not listening to me. Why you think of what you're going to share. I said, you can't talk and we'll have a good conversation if you're trying to talk to a nurse in the middle of emergency unit. She's busy. I'm busy, but I would like to spend time talking to each, everybody a little here, a little there. There's so many of you, but it's not feasible. I don't have the time, but if somebody comes to me and says, can we have coffee down the street, or go around the corner and have a little coffee, I'm open. I say, okay, yeah, let's go have a talk. But I'm not there to, that's not my purpose. I wish everybody will and hope everybody stays peaceful, but look it, I'm busy. I'm working.
PocketSandy (02:31:46): When I private messaged you, what do you think about what happened to me? And you said, don't talk to maga. That wasn't there neither. Was any of the comments you made in response to actual references to the violence?
PamHemphill79 (02:31:59): You know how many people have told me not to talk to Megan? I turn around and do it and I tell you not to, and I'm a hypocrite. However, I have a different relationship with them than you do. They don't trust me at all and they lie about me and they smear me, but I keep trying. You got to keep trying.
Marine4America (02:32:18): That's what they do.
PocketSandy (02:32:21): I'm getting that so hard right now. My security guard in my building is just not fucking with them. Stealing drip from
PamHemphill79 (02:32:27): Pocket. They threaten to kill me. You can imagine what? I don't wear a bodyguard, a breast thing for my, they're going to shoot me. They're going to shoot me. Ain't done thing I'm going to be able to do to stop it. They're going to,
PocketSandy (02:32:41): It's actually coming home though. In
PamHemphill79 (02:32:42): Other city. They're going to lie about me. They're going to smear us. They're going to try to divide us. I mean, this is their mo.
PocketSandy (02:32:50): It's not just online. For me though.
PamHemphill79 (02:32:52): I work the program. Remember, I don't live with these people.
PocketSandy (02:32:55): I do too. I'm
PamHemphill79 (02:32:56): An alcoholic. I'm not going to have my life. I don't pay attention to what they say. You got three meetings
PocketSandy (02:33:00): A week.
PamHemphill79 (02:33:00): I don't care what they say. They could say whatever they want. I know how I live. I know I have a relationship with a higher power that I'm okay with. I'm okay with myself.
PocketSandy (02:33:08): Yeah. Yeah. All I got to say is you should be careful participating in fascism.
PamHemphill79 (02:33:14): What do you mean by that?
PocketSandy (02:33:18): That it doesn't seem like you can really speak to, Hey, why did you respond with Don't talk to MAGA when it's leftist fucking attacking me because
PamHemphill79 (02:33:28): MAGA is fascist.
PocketSandy (02:33:32): Why did we use Mag's Media to be fascist from the left and then you respond with Don't talk to maga.
PamHemphill79 (02:33:42): I just told you, I don't think you even heard what I said, did you?
PocketSandy (02:33:46): I did.
PamHemphill79 (02:33:47): I said, because I don't want to see you get hurt. They spin what you say and they stab you in your back.
PocketSandy (02:33:56): No, you said that, but why is that the response to you learning that violence came to me? Do you think that, okay. I think I'm connecting the dots. Do you think that me talking to MAGA is why the violence came, which is kind of pretty true, and I think that's just the message you want to say when you learn about violence.
PamHemphill79 (02:34:21): Wait, wait. Don't put words in my mouth. Hold on.
PocketSandy (02:34:24): Yeah, I'm helping you say your words.
PamHemphill79 (02:34:26): No,PocketSandy (02:34:27): Clarify.
PamHemphill79 (02:34:29): I don't know why the violence came to you. How would I know? Explain that.
PocketSandy (02:34:33): Responded to it.
PamHemphill79 (02:34:35): I said don't talk to mega
PocketSandy (02:34:38): In response
PamHemphill79 (02:34:39): To the, because. No, that's not what I meant.
PocketSandy (02:34:43): You did when you replied to it.
PamHemphill79 (02:34:46): Whatever. Okay, you're going to hear. You're not hearing me,
PocketSandy (02:34:51): So you think I'm lying to you or I know your message. Don't talk to Mario. They're going to whatever. They're bum you. We've heard that a thousand times. I'm not talking about that. This isn't generalities I'm talking about. It's specific.
PamHemphill79 (02:35:07): Why don't you call me? I gave you my number and we'll talk about this. Let's talk about this. Okay. I think it'd be good.
PocketSandy (02:35:15): Yeah, we should. We should. We should. I want to give you that grace. I do also think that so many minds are poisoned with all of the fucking delusions of what I'm doing and who I am and what it is. It's a public fucking problem and it's going to be a team sport to keep me from fucking dying from it.
PamHemphill79 (02:35:34): You member Parker. People hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe, and you can't change it.
PocketSandy (02:35:40): So just I
PamHemphill79 (02:35:41): No, just know that what you're doing, you stay with what? Be true to yourself. Not Pam or Marine or any of these people. Stay true to you. You do what you know you need to do to help this nation help people. You're doing a great job. You're a loving person. You care about people, change it. Don't change anything. We're all making mistakes. I am. We're all making mistakes, but we got to go.
PocketSandy (02:36:07): I can't do that anymore.
PamHemphill79 (02:36:07): I've learned a lot in the last six months. I said, oh my God, I wish I'd known this. I wouldn't have done that. We just move on. Okay, I made up. I fucked up. Okay, so how can I do it different? Oh, I can
PocketSandy (02:36:21): Know the whole story.
PamHemphill79 (02:36:22): I can't change the past. I can learn from it. Hear it
PocketSandy (02:36:24): Out before you back. The people that are being violent mean, especially if there's
PamHemphill79 (02:36:32): People are person. Something
PocketSandy (02:36:33): Brought up about the violence and
PamHemphill79 (02:36:35): Then your comment on that was it? Was it people or a person?
PocketSandy (02:36:39): It's people. I mean just the block gang was what, 16 people, but then it was probably another 20, 30 around them, and some of them that weren't black were behind me, punching me from behind and stealing my shit. It was a lot of people,
PamHemphill79 (02:37:02): To be honest with you. No business making any comment. I made a mistake and I'll never get involved again. I opened my big mouth. I no business because I didn't know what happened. I don't know what happened on either side. Right?
PocketSandy (02:37:16): Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (02:37:17): I made a mistake. I, because I get pressured. People say, well, what do you think of blah blah? I'm not going to answer your questions. Okay. Not you. Not you, not you. I mean, when people say, what'd you think about happened to Pocket Sandy? I don't know. I wasn't there.
PocketSandy (02:37:35): What if you are told what happened and then you were
PamHemphill79 (02:37:39): With none? Respond.
PocketSandy (02:37:40): Don't talk to Megan. None.PamHemphill79 (02:37:41): Talked to my therapist about,
PocketSandy (02:37:43): Yeah, it sounded like you made it your business. That's why we're
PamHemphill79 (02:37:45): Talking. Exactly. I shouldn't. I made a mistake.
PocketSandy (02:37:49): Okay. I appreciate you. I needed to hear that. Really? Because really, I want to help you and I want to keep making PAMs
Marine4America (02:38:01): Pancakes.
PocketSandy (02:38:03): What's that? I'm going to go to Minnesota. I'm going to do some of the same stuff. Kind of different.
PamHemphill79 (02:38:08): I still have a lot of respect for anybody out there, especially they call on the black block, but there's a lot of black block out. Hell, my best friend is black.
Marine4America (02:38:19): That's the thing. Anybody could throw on black clothes and there's all kinds of crazy shit. Yeah, they get thrown in a
PamHemphill79 (02:38:23): Category.
PocketSandy (02:38:24): Do you respect the ones that attacked me? Fuck
Marine4America (02:38:26): No.
PamHemphill79 (02:38:27): Some questions I'm not going to answer. You call me.
Marine4America (02:38:32): I
PamHemphill79 (02:38:32): Just said,
Marine4America (02:38:32): Fuck no.
PocketSandy (02:38:33): That's an easy answer I think. Alright, sure.
PamHemphill79 (02:38:37): This is the problem. I'm answering some
PocketSandy (02:38:39): Question regardless. I want to hear what you think. Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (02:38:42): See, some people do it on purpose. They'll do it in a space so they could put you on a spot and make you look bad. If people really want to know the facts and how I feel, call me.
PocketSandy (02:38:52): Do you think I'm doing that?
PamHemphill79 (02:38:53): No. But I take my phone down to talk to Katie Davidson. I said, no, I'm not going to do a gotcha and take this video and show everybody what Katie Davidson said to me. I took the phone down. I turned it off in front of her. I said, well, you do that. I asked, what was that other one? Right wing? Right ring, rebel. I said, let's just have a conversation without our phones on. Let's talk.
PocketSandy (02:39:21): She will.
PamHemphill79 (02:39:22): No, she didn't. She did not.
PocketSandy (02:39:23): She
PamHemphill79 (02:39:24): Did for a minute and told me, I believe she will, but
Marine4America (02:39:28): I don't
PamHemphill79 (02:39:29): Her.
PocketSandy (02:39:29): You have to fight for it.
PamHemphill79 (02:39:31): It's frustrating. Wait, Marine, I asked her. She did for one minute, but then she told me I was going to stop at your house. She's
Marine4America (02:39:38): Telling everybody I did that. She had my act. You are tainted in there. You
PocketSandy (02:39:42): Do get this weird lore and Pam, that is not true. And that's some of the battles I fight for you. Like this is just funny. At this point, you all walk around with Pam in your head, Pam derangement, CI syndrome.
Marine4America (02:39:53): I went into this right wing radio show space that was completely unrelated and not even two minutes in. They mentioned Pam's name in a snide comment, and I was like, what the fuck? This isn't even related. It's wild. I don't know. Hey, Pam. Yeah, just it's an easy own when somebody's like, oh, somebody who attacked me. Nah, just fuck it. Never own. I would never own that shit. It's fucking terrible.
PocketSandy (02:40:24): I'm trying to give you an opportunity here because you said things publicly and you can write 'em back.
Marine4America (02:40:29): They'll use that across everybody
PocketSandy (02:40:31): And you're going to be better off.
Marine4America (02:40:34): It's okay. Oh, shit. I dropped everything.
PocketSandy (02:40:36): Sorry.
Marine4America (02:40:37): We got to, yeah. Sandy, I'm sorry. I want to give you so much space and I want to
PocketSandy (02:40:42): That's fine. That's fine. Let's talk privately. If you're not interested in having that opportunity, its' cleared up publicly. I'm going to respect it.
PamHemphill79 (02:40:50): You can't have the conversation we need to have in a space, so I'll be down there this weekend. Let's go down and have some coffee, maybe you and a couple of about that. Let's,
PocketSandy (02:41:02): Okay. It might not be when I'm down because it's chaos, but maybe as we're leaving or something. Maybe. Or maybe just outside of that.
PamHemphill79 (02:41:11): It's the biggest problem we all have where I'm just as guilty as communicating. I'm
PocketSandy (02:41:16): Being hunted.
PamHemphill79 (02:41:17): Well, so am I. I've been forever, whatever.
PocketSandy (02:41:21): Not the same. If
PamHemphill79 (02:41:22): Alcoholism didn't get me in cancer, I'm not worried about me, whatever.
PocketSandy (02:41:27): Do
PamHemphill79 (02:41:28): You hear me?
PocketSandy (02:41:30): Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (02:41:31): Communicating is important and you got to be in the right place to communicate appropriately. I'm in a space, I'm trying to learn that lesson. I've got these hands up. I'm kind of pressured. It's being recorded. I could say it wrong and somebody will twist it. I don't have an opportunity to go back and explain what I meant. So it's very,
PocketSandy (02:41:51): I'm going to help you.
PamHemphill79 (02:41:51): You can't have a, I'm going to help you
PocketSandy (02:41:52): Say it. Right.
PamHemphill79 (02:41:53): A real healthy communication in a space. Not really. So let's make sure we meet up and have coffee.
PocketSandy (02:41:59): Okay.
PamHemphill79 (02:42:00): Okay,
PocketSandy (02:42:00): Let's do that. But trust with me. I would give you every opportunity in the world to make a mistake and then explain after in the same conversation.
Marine4America (02:42:14): Absolutely.
Marine4America (02:42:15): And at the same time, we can use that as red meat to show. There certainly is no T for coordination, and I'm no fucking media. I handler. I'll let Pam say whatever the fuck she wants
.PocketSandy (02:42:27): Right? If anything, this thing that I've been saying them that I don't have any pull with the fucking left. Really. I hope they saw this and realized, oh, they were not lying.
Marine4America (02:42:37): They think we're trying to actually coordinate to indirect the government. We're a fucking mess of people, but we are going to cycle. Sandy, I really do appreciate it.
PocketSandy (02:42:46): Me. That was an organization. Right?
Marine4America (02:42:48): Yeah. No, for real. And I do want to dig more into that specifically, but we are going to scope back out into January 6th gracefully. Okay. Respect to being here.
PamHemphill79 (02:42:58): And remember, families have arguments and disagreements, but they can get back together and figure it out and get back to the job that, did
PocketSandy (02:43:07): You kill each other sometimes?
PamHemphill79 (02:43:07): The only job we have is to push back on ice right now.
PocketSandy (02:43:13): Is this domestic violence
PamHemphill79 (02:43:14): And the bombing of Iran
Marine4America (02:43:16): Basically? Yeah. I think America has been, we are just all victims of domestic violence with each other. Political, domestic violence, and we've got to cope with each other. But we're going to go to Mayflower and then it was NC Patriot and Diabolic. I appreciate everybody's patience.
Mayflower (02:43:37): Sorry. So my comment has more to do with summarizing that whole conversation, not the January 6th thing, if that's okay, but I'll be brief.
Marine4America (02:43:46): Oh, damn it. No, it's okay. Go ahead.
Mayflower (02:43:49): So I think in my opinion, part of the confusion is that when you understand historically and academically speaking, when you're defining fascism, FAS is usually a nationalist type of movement with authoritarianism focused at oppressing minorities in groups. Whereas Antifa and for their left wing is more of fighting against capitalism and against those oppressive systems and against authoritarianism. Violence is a tool. Violence and intimidation as a tool, violence can be on either side. So it doesn't make sense when you're saying that the left is fascist. That doesn't historically and academically make any sense that it's a spectrum. It's not a circle of logic. Their ideologies, the ideologies don't change. The political parties, however, twist and change over time depending on the culture and how things are going. So I think the spin that Sandy is putting on this makes it very confusing and makes it oppositional for people to agree with the way Sandy is saying it, because that's not the ideology, that's not where the core of their beliefs are and what they're in support of. So it doesn't make sense, but you can be left and you can be pro violence. You can be left and be nonviolent. And the same for the right. So I hope that clarifies part of that.
PocketSandy (02:45:23): They're not fully signed on to fascism, but propaganda, hate, violence, strong man, fucking that's fascism. And fascism doesn't exist without changing the minds of the people
Mayflower (02:45:40): Not See, I disagree. Propaganda is a tool. It's a tool that can be used on both sides. Straw man is a tool and a debate that can be used on both sides. That's not what fascism is.
PocketSandy (02:45:52): Do you think that Germany was always fascist? The whole his history
Troll (02:45:56): And Diva once gave George Washington a hand job. Her hands were
Marine4America (02:46:03): Three out of 10. I think there's things like, yeah, systems of government can employ fascistic moves, right? And it's like that doesn't make anything a hard fascist, fascist or authoritarian government right away. Even a fully democratic society can employ something that something might colloquially call fascistic, but that doesn't fully, that doesn't mean that everything is 100% fascism and both things could be correct. At least that's how I see it
PocketSandy (02:46:42): Objectively. It starts small in the minds of the people. The changing slowly, quickly, whatever propaganda getting into the minds of people, you would never see it coming. Even those that are anti-fascist and aren't of that ideology and the blindness to seeing it happen and perpetuating it and doing it themselves is exactly how fascism takes them over completely eventually, if they don't protect themselves from it, just like racism.
Mayflower (02:47:15): Sure. Propaganda can be used on both sides. It's a tool. Tools can be used on both sides. The tactics can be similar, but the ideologies are very different. So you have to separate those things and understand it to understand where your goal is, where are you going? What are you using the tools to achieve?
PocketSandy (02:47:35): Yep. They picked up the wrong tools. That's what I'm saying
Marine4America (02:47:38): For sure.
Marine4America (02:47:39): And
Marine4America (02:47:39): Even the way I'm talking, some of these spaces, if somehow we get to a more median place and I am canceled for the shit I said today, I am fine with that. I'm totally okay with that.
PamHemphill79 (02:47:52): Well, I've been watching and studying a lot on documentaries. The history of, take for example, I can't remember the city, but the black community that stood up against the KKK and they finally had to get in this person's house. They were threatening to come that night and kill 'em all and burn down their house. Well, they all showed up and got in inside their house waiting for 'em, and they shot back. They made sure they were mainly soldiers that had gone to war. These men, they knew how to shoot and they didn't aim to kill 'em. They aimed at their foot of their cars and it never happened again. So when you're studying the history of fighting back, the Antifa, if you want to call it, it's always had to been with violence because even World War ii, we had to go in there and fight them. So just start watching some of this and
PocketSandy (02:48:55): Is that why I felt it?
PamHemphill79 (02:48:58): You got to understand, we can't change how things are going to be changed. I mean, stand there with a sign.
PocketSandy (02:49:09): Violence will change things.
PamHemphill79 (02:49:10): Look what happened with the violence of the civil rights. John Lewis. He goes in that cafe and they pour hot coffee on him. They were violent and he prayed for him. That's what I'd like to be able to do. I'd like to be a John Lewis any day. That's beautiful. And Martin Luther King, but there was so much violence to stop them. And that's what we're fighting down there at the ice. They're trying to be violent to stop and we can't allow it. That'sPocketSandy (02:49:44): So seeing that it's the violence that violence is hitting me. Is that okay or
PamHemphill79 (02:49:51): No? It's never, I'm not approving. I'm just saying. I'm talking about history right now. It's just the way it's been. There comes a time you poke the bear, and that's what I mean about my troubles of my own making. I keep going to mega and I keep poking their bear. One day they're going to find me in the alley. I brought it on. That's just reality. That's not how you handle it though. The world is not what I want it to be. People aren't going to handle it the way I want 'em to, but we got to talk reality here. That's all I'm saying. Look, do some research and watch some documentaries on fighting back on throughout history in Italy, Spain, Spain lasted, what, 36 years and finally they were able to overcome fascism in Spain. Right? I mean, I'm talking about other countries that's had to fight fascism. So we got mega down there trying to start violence to stop us. And so I think people are getting fed up. I mean, I can understand it. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. There's got to be another way. But I think Martin Luther King and John Lewis, they did try to show another way. A peaceful protests and
PocketSandy (02:51:18): All K got murdered though.
PamHemphill79 (02:51:19): But look what happened.
PocketSandy (02:51:20): Yep. He didn't get to talk again.
PamHemphill79 (02:51:22): But it still worked. It does work. So I stick with John Lewis a hundred,
Marine4America (02:51:28): Let's sacrifice.
PocketSandy (02:51:30): Do you think those people speaking changed minds and changed the country?
PamHemphill79 (02:51:35): Yeah. Brought about the silver, which we're trying to get us back there again. They're trying to rewrite history. Take us back where we're fighting for civil rights now,
PocketSandy (02:51:46): Right. Talking can help people
PamHemphill79 (02:30:55): Look it. You're not listening to me. Why you think of what you're going to share. I said, you can't talk and we'll have a good conversation if you're trying to talk to a nurse in the middle of emergency unit. She's busy. I'm busy, but I would like to spend time talking to each, everybody a little here, a little there. There's so many of you, but it's not feasible. I don't have the time, but if somebody comes to me and says, can we have coffee down the street, or go around the corner and have a little coffee, I'm open. I say, okay, yeah, let's go have a talk. But I'm not there to, that's not my purpose. I wish everybody will and hope everybody stays peaceful, but look it, I'm busy. I'm working.
PocketSandy (02:31:46): When I private messaged you, what do you think about what happened to me? And you said, don't talk to maga. That wasn't there neither. Was any of the comments you made in response to actual references to the violence?
PamHemphill79 (02:31:59): You know how many people have told me not to talk to Megan? I turn around and do it and I tell you not to, and I'm a hypocrite. However, I have a different relationship with them than you do. They don't trust me at all and they lie about me and they smear me, but I keep trying. You got to keep trying.
Marine4America (02:32:18): That's what they do.
PocketSandy (02:32:21): I'm getting that so hard right now. My security guard in my building is just not fucking with them. Stealing drip from
PamHemphill79 (02:32:27): Pocket. They threaten to kill me. You can imagine what? I don't wear a bodyguard, a breast thing for my, they're going to shoot me. They're going to shoot me. Ain't done thing I'm going to be able to do to stop it. They're going to,
PocketSandy (02:32:41): It's actually coming home though. In
PamHemphill79 (02:32:42): Other city. They're going to lie about me. They're going to smear us. They're going to try to divide us. I mean, this is their mo.
PocketSandy (02:32:50): It's not just online. For me though.
PamHemphill79 (02:32:52): I work the program. Remember, I don't live with these people.
PocketSandy (02:32:55): I do too. I'm
PamHemphill79 (02:32:56): An alcoholic. I'm not going to have my life. I don't pay attention to what they say. You got three meetings
PocketSandy (02:33:00): A week.
PamHemphill79 (02:33:00): I don't care what they say. They could say whatever they want. I know how I live. I know I have a relationship with a higher power that I'm okay with. I'm okay with myself.
PocketSandy (02:33:08): Yeah. Yeah. All I got to say is you should be careful participating in fascism.
PamHemphill79 (02:33:14): What do you mean by that?
PocketSandy (02:33:18): That it doesn't seem like you can really speak to, Hey, why did you respond with Don't talk to MAGA when it's leftist fucking attacking me because
PamHemphill79 (02:33:28): MAGA is fascist.
PocketSandy (02:33:32): Why did we use Mag's Media to be fascist from the left and then you respond with Don't talk to maga.
PamHemphill79 (02:33:42): I just told you, I don't think you even heard what I said, did you?
PocketSandy (02:33:46): I did.
PamHemphill79 (02:33:47): I said, because I don't want to see you get hurt. They spin what you say and they stab you in your back.
PocketSandy (02:33:56): No, you said that, but why is that the response to you learning that violence came to me? Do you think that, okay. I think I'm connecting the dots. Do you think that me talking to MAGA is why the violence came, which is kind of pretty true, and I think that's just the message you want to say when you learn about violence.
PamHemphill79 (02:34:21): Wait, wait. Don't put words in my mouth. Hold on.
PocketSandy (02:34:24): Yeah, I'm helping you say your words.
PamHemphill79 (02:34:26): No,PocketSandy (02:34:27): Clarify.
PamHemphill79 (02:34:29): I don't know why the violence came to you. How would I know? Explain that.
PocketSandy (02:34:33): Responded to it.
PamHemphill79 (02:34:35): I said don't talk to mega
PocketSandy (02:34:38): In response
PamHemphill79 (02:34:39): To the, because. No, that's not what I meant.
PocketSandy (02:34:43): You did when you replied to it.
PamHemphill79 (02:34:46): Whatever. Okay, you're going to hear. You're not hearing me,
PocketSandy (02:34:51): So you think I'm lying to you or I know your message. Don't talk to Mario. They're going to whatever. They're bum you. We've heard that a thousand times. I'm not talking about that. This isn't generalities I'm talking about. It's specific.
PamHemphill79 (02:35:07): Why don't you call me? I gave you my number and we'll talk about this. Let's talk about this. Okay. I think it'd be good.
PocketSandy (02:35:15): Yeah, we should. We should. We should. I want to give you that grace. I do also think that so many minds are poisoned with all of the fucking delusions of what I'm doing and who I am and what it is. It's a public fucking problem and it's going to be a team sport to keep me from fucking dying from it.
PamHemphill79 (02:35:34): You member Parker. People hear what they want to hear and believe what they want to believe, and you can't change it.
PocketSandy (02:35:40): So just I
PamHemphill79 (02:35:41): No, just know that what you're doing, you stay with what? Be true to yourself. Not Pam or Marine or any of these people. Stay true to you. You do what you know you need to do to help this nation help people. You're doing a great job. You're a loving person. You care about people, change it. Don't change anything. We're all making mistakes. I am. We're all making mistakes, but we got to go.
PocketSandy (02:36:07): I can't do that anymore.
PamHemphill79 (02:36:07): I've learned a lot in the last six months. I said, oh my God, I wish I'd known this. I wouldn't have done that. We just move on. Okay, I made up. I fucked up. Okay, so how can I do it different? Oh, I can
PocketSandy (02:36:21): Know the whole story.
PamHemphill79 (02:36:22): I can't change the past. I can learn from it. Hear it
PocketSandy (02:36:24): Out before you back. The people that are being violent mean, especially if there's
PamHemphill79 (02:36:32): People are person. Something
PocketSandy (02:36:33): Brought up about the violence and
PamHemphill79 (02:36:35): Then your comment on that was it? Was it people or a person?
PocketSandy (02:36:39): It's people. I mean just the block gang was what, 16 people, but then it was probably another 20, 30 around them, and some of them that weren't black were behind me, punching me from behind and stealing my shit. It was a lot of people,
PamHemphill79 (02:37:02): To be honest with you. No business making any comment. I made a mistake and I'll never get involved again. I opened my big mouth. I no business because I didn't know what happened. I don't know what happened on either side. Right?
PocketSandy (02:37:16): Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (02:37:17): I made a mistake. I, because I get pressured. People say, well, what do you think of blah blah? I'm not going to answer your questions. Okay. Not you. Not you, not you. I mean, when people say, what'd you think about happened to Pocket Sandy? I don't know. I wasn't there.
PocketSandy (02:37:35): What if you are told what happened and then you were
PamHemphill79 (02:37:39): With none? Respond.
PocketSandy (02:37:40): Don't talk to Megan. None.PamHemphill79 (02:37:41): Talked to my therapist about,
PocketSandy (02:37:43): Yeah, it sounded like you made it your business. That's why we're
PamHemphill79 (02:37:45): Talking. Exactly. I shouldn't. I made a mistake.
PocketSandy (02:37:49): Okay. I appreciate you. I needed to hear that. Really? Because really, I want to help you and I want to keep making PAMs
Marine4America (02:38:01): Pancakes.
PocketSandy (02:38:03): What's that? I'm going to go to Minnesota. I'm going to do some of the same stuff. Kind of different.
PamHemphill79 (02:38:08): I still have a lot of respect for anybody out there, especially they call on the black block, but there's a lot of black block out. Hell, my best friend is black.
Marine4America (02:38:19): That's the thing. Anybody could throw on black clothes and there's all kinds of crazy shit. Yeah, they get thrown in a
PamHemphill79 (02:38:23): Category.
PocketSandy (02:38:24): Do you respect the ones that attacked me? Fuck
Marine4America (02:38:26): No.
PamHemphill79 (02:38:27): Some questions I'm not going to answer. You call me.
Marine4America (02:38:32): I
PamHemphill79 (02:38:32): Just said,
Marine4America (02:38:32): Fuck no.
PocketSandy (02:38:33): That's an easy answer I think. Alright, sure.
PamHemphill79 (02:38:37): This is the problem. I'm answering some
PocketSandy (02:38:39): Question regardless. I want to hear what you think. Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (02:38:42): See, some people do it on purpose. They'll do it in a space so they could put you on a spot and make you look bad. If people really want to know the facts and how I feel, call me.
PocketSandy (02:38:52): Do you think I'm doing that?
PamHemphill79 (02:38:53): No. But I take my phone down to talk to Katie Davidson. I said, no, I'm not going to do a gotcha and take this video and show everybody what Katie Davidson said to me. I took the phone down. I turned it off in front of her. I said, well, you do that. I asked, what was that other one? Right wing? Right ring, rebel. I said, let's just have a conversation without our phones on. Let's talk.
PocketSandy (02:39:21): She will.
PamHemphill79 (02:39:22): No, she didn't. She did not.
PocketSandy (02:39:23): She
PamHemphill79 (02:39:24): Did for a minute and told me, I believe she will, but
Marine4America (02:39:28): I don't
PamHemphill79 (02:39:29): Her.
PocketSandy (02:39:29): You have to fight for it.
PamHemphill79 (02:39:31): It's frustrating. Wait, Marine, I asked her. She did for one minute, but then she told me I was going to stop at your house. She's
Marine4America (02:39:38): Telling everybody I did that. She had my act. You are tainted in there. You
PocketSandy (02:39:42): Do get this weird lore and Pam, that is not true. And that's some of the battles I fight for you. Like this is just funny. At this point, you all walk around with Pam in your head, Pam derangement, CI syndrome.
Marine4America (02:39:53): I went into this right wing radio show space that was completely unrelated and not even two minutes in. They mentioned Pam's name in a snide comment, and I was like, what the fuck? This isn't even related. It's wild. I don't know. Hey, Pam. Yeah, just it's an easy own when somebody's like, oh, somebody who attacked me. Nah, just fuck it. Never own. I would never own that shit. It's fucking terrible.
PocketSandy (02:40:24): I'm trying to give you an opportunity here because you said things publicly and you can write 'em back.
Marine4America (02:40:29): They'll use that across everybody
PocketSandy (02:40:31): And you're going to be better off.
Marine4America (02:40:34): It's okay. Oh, shit. I dropped everything.
PocketSandy (02:40:36): Sorry.
Marine4America (02:40:37): We got to, yeah. Sandy, I'm sorry. I want to give you so much space and I want to
PocketSandy (02:40:42): That's fine. That's fine. Let's talk privately. If you're not interested in having that opportunity, its' cleared up publicly. I'm going to respect it.
PamHemphill79 (02:40:50): You can't have the conversation we need to have in a space, so I'll be down there this weekend. Let's go down and have some coffee, maybe you and a couple of about that. Let's,
PocketSandy (02:41:02): Okay. It might not be when I'm down because it's chaos, but maybe as we're leaving or something. Maybe. Or maybe just outside of that.
PamHemphill79 (02:41:11): It's the biggest problem we all have where I'm just as guilty as communicating. I'm
PocketSandy (02:41:16): Being hunted.
PamHemphill79 (02:41:17): Well, so am I. I've been forever, whatever.
PocketSandy (02:41:21): Not the same. If
PamHemphill79 (02:41:22): Alcoholism didn't get me in cancer, I'm not worried about me, whatever.
PocketSandy (02:41:27): Do
PamHemphill79 (02:41:28): You hear me?
PocketSandy (02:41:30): Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (02:41:31): Communicating is important and you got to be in the right place to communicate appropriately. I'm in a space, I'm trying to learn that lesson. I've got these hands up. I'm kind of pressured. It's being recorded. I could say it wrong and somebody will twist it. I don't have an opportunity to go back and explain what I meant. So it's very,
PocketSandy (02:41:51): I'm going to help you.
PamHemphill79 (02:41:51): You can't have a, I'm going to help you
PocketSandy (02:41:52): Say it. Right.
PamHemphill79 (02:41:53): A real healthy communication in a space. Not really. So let's make sure we meet up and have coffee.
PocketSandy (02:41:59): Okay.
PamHemphill79 (02:42:00): Okay,
PocketSandy (02:42:00): Let's do that. But trust with me. I would give you every opportunity in the world to make a mistake and then explain after in the same conversation.
Marine4America (02:42:14): Absolutely.
Marine4America (02:42:15): And at the same time, we can use that as red meat to show. There certainly is no T for coordination, and I'm no fucking media. I handler. I'll let Pam say whatever the fuck she wants
.PocketSandy (02:42:27): Right? If anything, this thing that I've been saying them that I don't have any pull with the fucking left. Really. I hope they saw this and realized, oh, they were not lying.
Marine4America (02:42:37): They think we're trying to actually coordinate to indirect the government. We're a fucking mess of people, but we are going to cycle. Sandy, I really do appreciate it.
PocketSandy (02:42:46): Me. That was an organization. Right?
Marine4America (02:42:48): Yeah. No, for real. And I do want to dig more into that specifically, but we are going to scope back out into January 6th gracefully. Okay. Respect to being here.
PamHemphill79 (02:42:58): And remember, families have arguments and disagreements, but they can get back together and figure it out and get back to the job that, did
PocketSandy (02:43:07): You kill each other sometimes?
PamHemphill79 (02:43:07): The only job we have is to push back on ice right now.
PocketSandy (02:43:13): Is this domestic violence
PamHemphill79 (02:43:14): And the bombing of Iran
Marine4America (02:43:16): Basically? Yeah. I think America has been, we are just all victims of domestic violence with each other. Political, domestic violence, and we've got to cope with each other. But we're going to go to Mayflower and then it was NC Patriot and Diabolic. I appreciate everybody's patience.
Mayflower (02:43:37): Sorry. So my comment has more to do with summarizing that whole conversation, not the January 6th thing, if that's okay, but I'll be brief.
Marine4America (02:43:46): Oh, damn it. No, it's okay. Go ahead.
Mayflower (02:43:49): So I think in my opinion, part of the confusion is that when you understand historically and academically speaking, when you're defining fascism, FAS is usually a nationalist type of movement with authoritarianism focused at oppressing minorities in groups. Whereas Antifa and for their left wing is more of fighting against capitalism and against those oppressive systems and against authoritarianism. Violence is a tool. Violence and intimidation as a tool, violence can be on either side. So it doesn't make sense when you're saying that the left is fascist. That doesn't historically and academically make any sense that it's a spectrum. It's not a circle of logic. Their ideologies, the ideologies don't change. The political parties, however, twist and change over time depending on the culture and how things are going. So I think the spin that Sandy is putting on this makes it very confusing and makes it oppositional for people to agree with the way Sandy is saying it, because that's not the ideology, that's not where the core of their beliefs are and what they're in support of. So it doesn't make sense, but you can be left and you can be pro violence. You can be left and be nonviolent. And the same for the right. So I hope that clarifies part of that.
PocketSandy (02:45:23): They're not fully signed on to fascism, but propaganda, hate, violence, strong man, fucking that's fascism. And fascism doesn't exist without changing the minds of the people
Mayflower (02:45:40): Not See, I disagree. Propaganda is a tool. It's a tool that can be used on both sides. Straw man is a tool and a debate that can be used on both sides. That's not what fascism is.
PocketSandy (02:45:52): Do you think that Germany was always fascist? The whole his history
Troll (02:45:56): And Diva once gave George Washington a hand job. Her hands were
Marine4America (02:46:03): Three out of 10. I think there's things like, yeah, systems of government can employ fascistic moves, right? And it's like that doesn't make anything a hard fascist, fascist or authoritarian government right away. Even a fully democratic society can employ something that something might colloquially call fascistic, but that doesn't fully, that doesn't mean that everything is 100% fascism and both things could be correct. At least that's how I see it
PocketSandy (02:46:42): Objectively. It starts small in the minds of the people. The changing slowly, quickly, whatever propaganda getting into the minds of people, you would never see it coming. Even those that are anti-fascist and aren't of that ideology and the blindness to seeing it happen and perpetuating it and doing it themselves is exactly how fascism takes them over completely eventually, if they don't protect themselves from it, just like racism.
Mayflower (02:47:15): Sure. Propaganda can be used on both sides. It's a tool. Tools can be used on both sides. The tactics can be similar, but the ideologies are very different. So you have to separate those things and understand it to understand where your goal is, where are you going? What are you using the tools to achieve?
PocketSandy (02:47:35): Yep. They picked up the wrong tools. That's what I'm saying
Marine4America (02:47:38): For sure.
Marine4America (02:47:39): And
Marine4America (02:47:39): Even the way I'm talking, some of these spaces, if somehow we get to a more median place and I am canceled for the shit I said today, I am fine with that. I'm totally okay with that.
PamHemphill79 (02:47:52): Well, I've been watching and studying a lot on documentaries. The history of, take for example, I can't remember the city, but the black community that stood up against the KKK and they finally had to get in this person's house. They were threatening to come that night and kill 'em all and burn down their house. Well, they all showed up and got in inside their house waiting for 'em, and they shot back. They made sure they were mainly soldiers that had gone to war. These men, they knew how to shoot and they didn't aim to kill 'em. They aimed at their foot of their cars and it never happened again. So when you're studying the history of fighting back, the Antifa, if you want to call it, it's always had to been with violence because even World War ii, we had to go in there and fight them. So just start watching some of this and
PocketSandy (02:48:55): Is that why I felt it?
PamHemphill79 (02:48:58): You got to understand, we can't change how things are going to be changed. I mean, stand there with a sign.
PocketSandy (02:49:09): Violence will change things.
PamHemphill79 (02:49:10): Look what happened with the violence of the civil rights. John Lewis. He goes in that cafe and they pour hot coffee on him. They were violent and he prayed for him. That's what I'd like to be able to do. I'd like to be a John Lewis any day. That's beautiful. And Martin Luther King, but there was so much violence to stop them. And that's what we're fighting down there at the ice. They're trying to be violent to stop and we can't allow it. That'sPocketSandy (02:49:44): So seeing that it's the violence that violence is hitting me. Is that okay or
PamHemphill79 (02:49:51): No? It's never, I'm not approving. I'm just saying. I'm talking about history right now. It's just the way it's been. There comes a time you poke the bear, and that's what I mean about my troubles of my own making. I keep going to mega and I keep poking their bear. One day they're going to find me in the alley. I brought it on. That's just reality. That's not how you handle it though. The world is not what I want it to be. People aren't going to handle it the way I want 'em to, but we got to talk reality here. That's all I'm saying. Look, do some research and watch some documentaries on fighting back on throughout history in Italy, Spain, Spain lasted, what, 36 years and finally they were able to overcome fascism in Spain. Right? I mean, I'm talking about other countries that's had to fight fascism. So we got mega down there trying to start violence to stop us. And so I think people are getting fed up. I mean, I can understand it. I don't agree with it, but I understand it. There's got to be another way. But I think Martin Luther King and John Lewis, they did try to show another way. A peaceful protests and
PocketSandy (02:51:18): All K got murdered though.
PamHemphill79 (02:51:19): But look what happened.
PocketSandy (02:51:20): Yep. He didn't get to talk again.
PamHemphill79 (02:51:22): But it still worked. It does work. So I stick with John Lewis a hundred,
Marine4America (02:51:28): Let's sacrifice.
PocketSandy (02:51:30): Do you think those people speaking changed minds and changed the country?
PamHemphill79 (02:51:35): Yeah. Brought about the silver, which we're trying to get us back there again. They're trying to rewrite history. Take us back where we're fighting for civil rights now,
PocketSandy (02:51:46): Right. Talking can help people
PamHemphill79 (02:51:47): Change their own mind. Transgender change, gender rights, women's rights. I mean, they're trying to take it all away.
PocketSandy (02:51:53): Yeah, you can encourage people to change their own mind. You might not be able to change people's minds, but you can encourage them to change them.
PamHemphill79 (02:52:03): Well, I've worked in the field as an alcohol and drug counselor and none of them got sober. They all died on me.
PocketSandy (02:52:12): Fuck yeah. No, that's not everybody though. I didn't die.
PamHemphill79 (02:52:15): Well, what I mean is we're
Marine4America (02:52:18): Hanging in there.
PamHemphill79 (02:52:18): I worked in a heroin addict, a detox methadone clinic, and every day I'd come in and they'd say, I'm sorry, this person won't be here today. They overdosed, they're dead. It was the worst job I ever had at working in that field, but I thought, I'm going to save 'em, going to save these addicts somehow. I didn't save a person, but I tried. Bill W when he came home, he was six months sober and he told his wife, he said, look, he was so depressed. He said, I haven't helped nobody for six months. I've been out there on the streets with these alcoholics and nobody's sober. She said, but you are. So if I'm trying to be the role model and I'm doing the right thing and it's helping me stay sober, that's all we can expect. I'm feeling good.
Mayflower (02:53:10): You think NC Patriot has been very patient?
PocketSandy (02:53:15): Somebody in my group last week from an overdose,
Marine4America (02:53:18): Sorry.
PocketSandy (02:53:19): That's all I got.
Marine4America (02:53:21): It is awful. I think it requires constant effort as anyone in recovery.
PamHemphill79 (02:53:26): But what pocket is planting a good seat? Because now they'll have a place to come to and talk to Pocket when they're ready. And that's all we can do. Pocket. We're just, we've plant the seed and when they're ready, they know where to come. Right.
PocketSandy (02:53:40): Yeah. He was a good man. He was a really good man.
Marine4America (02:53:43): And see Patriot,
NCPatriot (02:53:46): Hey Marines and MAGA granny. And I've always been respectful to both of y'all, but I do want to tell Sandy, I want to remind him that it wasn't anybody on the right who attacked him. And I just want to throw that out there and tell Mey, hello,
Speaker 1 (02:54:06): Avery.
NCPatriot (02:54:06): Hello, happy. Hello, the moose. Diane, everybody. Hello Bach. Hello. But Pam, I want to ask you, when was the last time you saw anybody on the right start violence down at the Ice center?
PamHemphill79 (02:54:28): One? I had two people walk me to a car and one of 'em pulled out a knife to my friend. I've been hit twice. I've been maced myself personally.
NCPatriot (02:54:37): No, no. The last time you saw violence by anybody down at the right and the person at your car you've mistakenly said was Guyer. And I don't know if Guyer still, I
PamHemphill79 (02:54:49): Never
NCPatriot (02:54:49): Said that.
PamHemphill79 (02:54:50): No, no. I said Ireland. No, it wasn't Guyer.
NCPatriot (02:54:53): Okay, then I misunderstood you. I'm sorry, but when was the last time you saw anybody on the right cause violence at the ice?
PamHemphill79 (02:55:03): Several times, but I don't remember exactly what last time.
NCPatriot (02:55:08): Right, because it's been a while because
PamHemphill79 (02:55:11): They haven't ever been around.
NCPatriot (02:55:13): That's right. They haven't been around. It's been peaceful, but they're still, yeah, it was so peaceful that Sandy, they drive
PocketSandy (02:55:19): Bys know
NCPatriot (02:55:20): That Sandy got beat up. That's how peaceful it was. It was so peaceful that members of the, I hate to say other side, but
PamHemphill79 (02:55:32): NBC
NCPatriot (02:55:33): Left side, be Sandy in the back while he's standing there and they're robbing him at the same time.
PamHemphill79 (02:55:39): NBC, this is peaceful. Put up a video of any protests in history. I don't care if it was what protest? Well, you don't see some violence. Come on. Even they got shot in the car. But you
NCPatriot (02:55:53): Okay, gra, come on.
PamHemphill79 (02:55:55): Realistic.
NCPatriot (02:55:55): You're saying what
PamHemphill79 (02:55:56): Do you supposed to expect at protests? What's your expectations?
NCPatriot (02:56:00): But you're saying it's the right that is causing the violence and the right is not there.
PamHemphill79 (02:56:07): They're not. Yeah. And when they're not there, nobody's getting arrested either.
PocketSandy (02:56:12): They do drive-bys. Now, they might not occupy, but they do drive-bys. And Sorry, you didn't see that video.
Marine4America (02:56:18): And the right is systematically rewarded by violence on either side. Right now, NC Patriots,
PamHemphill79 (02:56:25): They love playing victim. They love it.
NCPatriot (02:56:28): No, I'm not saying I'm a victim. I'm not saying anybody on the right who's out there was a victim except for Katie Davis court. Now she's standing at the ice building the other night and people come up and attacked her just from standing there.
PamHemphill79 (02:56:46): Nobody came up to her. They were throwing in those dildos.
NCPatriot (02:56:51): I think she got hit with something other than a dildo.
PamHemphill79 (02:56:54): I'm right next to her in C. No,
NCPatriot (02:56:58): But my question for you is, when they left and a big shout out to Quincy, the black conservative preacher, because he was ready to pick him up when they left. Why were you leading a group of people down the railroad track chasing them or following them while they were leaving? And I can get that video put up.
PamHemphill79 (02:57:28): Why was Katie,
PocketSandy (02:57:29): She wasn't leading.
PamHemphill79 (02:57:29): Why was Katie following all her people? Why was she doing that?
NCPatriot (02:57:33): They were leaving and her crowd were leaving.
PamHemphill79 (02:57:38): Well, I'll explain.
NCPatriot (02:57:39): And y'all were, because y'all, I had leading nobody. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm not going to say because you had attacked her. I'm not going to say that. I started to say y'all, but that would include you. And I'm not including you in that. So I need, because she had been attacked. She was leaving, her and Ryan and Chris were leaving. Chris had already been either maced or pepper sprayed. I don't know what he got. But anyway, they were leaving and you were in front of a group following them as they left. And in that group, Ryan got maced or pepper sprayed or I don't know which they use. Okay, so you do the math on that. Why were y'all following them as they were leaving when Katie hadn't done anything wrong?
PocketSandy (02:58:38): First film. And that might help them too, but they even mace themselves. They did. They had giant cloud of it. Got Mac
PamHemphill79 (02:58:47): Too
PocketSandy (02:58:48): Giant. Cloud of Mace.
PamHemphill79 (02:58:49): Well, first NPC. Let's take your statement without asking a question. You already,
NCPatriot (02:58:58): I did ask the question. I said, why were you following? No, that was my question.
PamHemphill79 (02:59:04): I know. Why were you, you said leaving.
NCPatriot (02:59:09): I said, why were y'all following them as they were leaving?
PamHemphill79 (02:59:14): Look at, this is what I do when I saw them walking away and other people were going to follow up. I go to video. That's it.
NCPatriot (02:59:23): But you were leading the pack though.
PamHemphill79 (02:59:26): I can't help who's behind me in front of me.
NCPatriot (02:59:29): And the reason I say that is you're, see what I'm doing?
PamHemphill79 (02:59:31): You're making an accusation. Stop it.
NCPatriot (02:59:34): Explaining.
PamHemphill79 (02:59:35): And you're not listening. You have your mind made up in
NCPatriot (02:59:40): You are a small woman. Or at least you look it to me from what I've seen of you. Which is a good thing because some women kind of let the self go.
PamHemphill79 (02:59:49): BC I can follow anybody, do video. That's what all of us do down there. Both sides follow everybody with a video.
NCPatriot (03:00:00): No. When they're leading or
PamHemphill79 (03:00:01): Live, some are not.
NCPatriot (03:00:03): No, when they're leading,
PamHemphill79 (03:00:03): That doesn't mean they're leading anybody.
NCPatriot (03:00:06): She
PamHemphill79 (03:00:06): Wasn't
NCPatriot (03:00:06): Commanding on.
PamHemphill79 (03:00:08): No, you can't. Anyway. And I wouldn't if I wanted to.
NCPatriot (03:00:12): Okay. I'm just curious because it looked to me like, and I'm just going by my own eyes, okay? And I know I should believe you over my own two eyes, but it looked to me like you were leading this crowd towards Katie and Chris and Rhein when Rhein got sprayed
Marine4America (03:00:37): And cp. Can I ask you seriously, did you see it on a post that was labeled Pam TFA leading the pack?
NCPatriot (03:00:45): No. I saw it live when it happened.
PocketSandy (03:00:48): She was just there.
NCPatriot (03:00:50): And I'm going to be honest with you, Marines, is there a post out that says Pam leading the pack?
Marine4America (03:00:56): Oh yeah, that's the, that's what I mean. They get hot with it. They'll benefit either way. So that's why I say every time I'm up here, a lot of times, whatever you call the teethers are doing the dildo stuff. Yeah, I think it is stupid. It's a stupid look and it gives 'em fodder.
NCPatriot (03:01:16): I'm serious. I did not see a post that said Pam leading the pack. I watched a live video
PamHemphill79 (03:01:22): Because they smear and twist. I do have to stay on the side now and not be in front, but I was just trying to make sure, because Rhein had a stick and I was going to stay there. I wanted to see if they were going to turn around and hurt anybody. And I wanted to get all the video for evidence if they turned around and started fighting with the people that were there. That's all. That's the only reason I'm there for the video.
NCPatriot (03:01:48): Okay. Okay.
PamHemphill79 (03:01:51): I made a mistake. I'm going to stay on the sides because
NCPatriot (03:01:54): The
PamHemphill79 (03:01:54): Appearance.
NCPatriot (03:01:55): No,PocketSandy (03:01:56): I did the same thing, Pam. I was in the front for a minute too.
PamHemphill79 (03:01:58): I gave them ammunition. I knew it right away. I went to my friend, I said, look, they're going to say that I love these people. This is mega. They're twisting and lying about every damn thing I do that. That's okay. I know you got to remember NCP. I know. That's all that matters
NCPatriot (03:02:16): To me. When I asked you,
PamHemphill79 (03:02:17): You can pass a lie detector test. They cannot. That's the difference.
NCPatriot (03:02:22): Most drunks can pass a lie detector test. I know how to do that.
PamHemphill79 (03:02:26): Psycho goes
PocketSandy (03:02:27): Too.
NCPatriot (03:02:28): You
PamHemphill79 (03:02:29): Know what I, you know what I'm saying?
NCPatriot (03:02:30): But what Pam? I didn't see no post that said you were leading the pack or anything. Oh yeah.
PamHemphill79 (03:02:40): It's out there.
NCPatriot (03:02:41): Well, I haven't seen
Marine4America (03:02:42): It. They comment on it live. They already, they spin it as the
PamHemphill79 (03:02:46): Leader of everybody don't control or
NCPatriot (03:02:51): I know that the leader
PocketSandy (03:02:53): Who was going to beat him up,
NCPatriot (03:02:54): You're the leader of Antifa plus your MAGA granny. So you must be the leader of us maga.
PamHemphill79 (03:03:01): And I'm married to,
PocketSandy (03:03:01): She's going to body slam him.
PamHemphill79 (03:03:03): Spider Mike is my boyfriend.
NCPatriot (03:03:05): Oh, well I knew that. MAGA granny,
PamHemphill79 (03:03:07): Me and no, me and Richard are married and Spider Mike is my child.
NCPatriot (03:03:14): Well, listen.
Troll (03:03:15): TFA set up Malcolm X. You got him killed.
PamHemphill79 (03:03:20): Where
NCPatriot (03:03:20): Is that coming from? I've been hearing it.
Marine4America (03:03:24): Just a
PamHemphill79 (03:03:25): Troll.
NCPatriot (03:03:26): Okay.
Marine4America (03:03:27): All right. We got
NCPatriot (03:03:30): Pam. I wasn't, I was just asking you. I told you what it looked like to me and you explained it. And also that's all I was being respectful. I come to you and ask you. So anyway, thank you Maga, granny and thank you Marine for having me up.
Marine4America (03:03:50): Ncp, do you have any opinion on people who are charged with sedition getting their cases thrown?
NCPatriot (03:03:59): Well, I don't have a problem with it
Marine4America (03:04:06): People. Okay,
NCPatriot (03:04:07): And hear me out, they've already been pardoned, right?
PamHemphill79 (03:04:13): Yeah, but you want to say that what their crimes should never be listed is that, but they did. They should never have been pardoned either. They're criminals.
NCPatriot (03:04:21): Okay.
PamHemphill79 (03:04:22): Beat up officers'.
NCPatriot (03:04:23): Alright, alright. No, you were, well, let me rephrase it. You were given a pardon that you didn't accept. How about that? I think that would be the proper way to say it. They were given a pardon who, as far as I know, everybody accepted, but I'm not a hundred percent sure of that. I think Pam might be the only person, at least the only person that I know of who didn't accept a pardon?
PamHemphill79 (03:04:53): Oh, there's a Jason. Oh God, I can't think of his last name for rattle or something. He tried, but they denied it. I think he's still
NCPatriot (03:05:04): Okay. Now let me ask you a question Maga granny and because this does pertain to the topic up there, alright, you pled guilty, you didn't accept the pardon. So you have then this conviction on your record. Is that a fair statement? Yes. Okay. So if they move to dismiss the G six convictions, would that get rid of your conviction also?
PamHemphill79 (03:05:36): No. I think they're just going for somebody to answer this.
Marine4America (03:05:41): It's limited. Yeah. The specific proud boys who? Oh,
PamHemphill79 (03:05:46): And Oath keepers.
Marine4America (03:05:47): Oath keepers. Oath Keepers. Yeah. Let me see here.
NCPatriot (03:05:49): Well, I'm, I'm going to say something that everybody's going to probably take offense to.
Marine4America (03:05:55): People are already pardoned,
NCPatriot (03:05:56): But I don't know that much about the Oath keepers, so I can't comment on them. But the proud boys.
Marine4America (03:06:03): But can't we just say in general, again, everyone's holding 'em pan to the standard people who are attacking cops, they shouldn't be pardoned because that gives people the idea that they can attack cops if they do it for someone who will pardon them.
NCPatriot (03:06:18): Don't
Marine4America (03:06:18): You
NCPatriot (03:06:19): See that all of these people didn't attack a cop?
Marine4America (03:06:22): I know, but we still are. But I'm talking about the people who did.
PamHemphill79 (03:06:27): These are the ones that planned it and had guns in their motel room. Tons of them. They planned it. They were to attack the capitol along Trump was involved even banning all of them.
NCPatriot (03:06:43): But why were the guns in the motel room and not on the capitol grounds with them?
PamHemphill79 (03:06:48): Well, on the capitol grounds, they found 120 in the court records that they were holding guns. They did have guns on them.
Marine4America (03:06:57): But again, we're already distracted off the question, why does that, the specific DJ Rodriguez, he took on a taser and he jammed it into a police officer's neck. He was pardoned
NCPatriot (03:07:11): A policeman, took a gun and shot Ashley Babbitt.
PamHemphill79 (03:07:14): Oh my God.
PocketSandy (03:07:16): To save the country from a bunch of people that were not
NCPatriot (03:07:19): Patriots.
PocketSandy (03:07:20): Not a single patriot there that day.
NCPatriot (03:07:21): So we're going to take and shoot an unarmed woman to save. She
PamHemphill79 (03:07:26): Had a knife on her.
Marine4America (03:07:27): Can you wrestle with what I said first Patriot? Because you're already, I do hear your defense up.
NCPatriot (03:07:33): Do
Marine4America (03:07:34): You hear how you balanced off?
NCPatriot (03:07:36): Can
Marine4America (03:07:36): You even repeat what I said?
NCPatriot (03:07:38): Yeah, you asked me DJ and I can't remember his last name. Hit a taser in the neck of a cop. I believe that's what you said.
PamHemphill79 (03:07:47): What do you care if anybody down at ICE hitting an officer. Why do you care if they're hitting ICE officers? But it's okay if they hit a capitol police officers that are protecting our Congress inside the building and they're talking about killing them and they're bringing ropes. I don't get your double standard here. You either protect officers across the board or you don't.
PocketSandy (03:08:11): Oh, it was the last thing.
Marine4America (03:08:13): Yeah. You are paving the way for raving leftists to actually commit more violence in the hopes that a democratic or a leftist president will then grant them clemency. They will commit crimes because now we're literally granting this.
NCPatriot (03:08:31): That's
Marine4America (03:08:32): What you open the door to.
NCPatriot (03:08:33): I don't care that they attack down at ICE because I think ICE should clean the, I think the president, excuse me, not ice. First off ICE is not dying there at that building. That's the department of DHS, department of Homeland Security that comes out. And I really don't care if they get what happens there because I think the president needs to just whoop in there and just cleaned the whole street up. And that means all the black block. Anybody down there who's committing a crime? All the dope addicts, all the drunks.
Marine4America (03:09:22): I know, man. But you're inviting the federal government to Doug come in and do the police job. And I get that you're dissatisfied with what you see down there. But this is, yeah, this is how you invite the shit. Hold
PamHemphill79 (03:09:34): On. MPC, I saw alcohol and smell pot on January the sixth.
NCPatriot (03:09:39): Say that again, Pam. I'm happy to. We were smoking
PamHemphill79 (03:09:43): Pot and drinking beer on January the sixth.
NCPatriot (03:09:46): Well, you were on pills. So what's the difference? You said that wasn't on
PamHemphill79 (03:09:50): Pills. That's
NCPatriot (03:09:51): Not said your own
(03:09:54): I wasn't on pills. I took a pain pill a half because I had stitches. It's a difference.
Marine4America (03:10:02): And it's not even the point. It's
PamHemphill79 (03:10:03): It's a prescription. Yeah, they try to divert from this shit. I don't want to talk to
Marine4America (03:10:06): You. The point is the same people say that people want the government to come in and clean up Philadelphia for the same reasons. I hear the same shit all the time. And I don't want or need the federal government to use the National Guard to come in and sweep up some fentanyl losers. I'm sorry. We have it handled Marines.
NCPatriot (03:10:27): Let me ask you a question, and this is a serious question because I honestly don't know. Is Philadelphia bad
Marine4America (03:10:36): You're next? It's a beautiful city.
NCPatriot (03:10:39): No, I'm talking about protest wise and stuff.
Marine4America (03:10:44): We destroy city.
Marine4America (03:10:50): Property when our sports team wins.
NCPatriot (03:10:54): So y'all don't destroy property very often, do you?
Marine4America (03:10:57): Oh, we do.
NCPatriot (03:11:00): That was a joke. I think didn't till these World Series was the last year.
Marine4America (03:11:05): Hey, that's what I'm saying. That's where we win. You should see what happens when we lose, man. That's what I'm saying. But we clean up too. I don't know.
PamHemphill79 (03:11:15): Yeah. But a, B, C is what I need is the double standards. You're upset if anybody hurts eyes right down there at the Portland, but it's okay.
NCPatriot (03:11:25): But
PamHemphill79 (03:11:25): It's okay that you January six criminals, were hitting officers. Make up your mind you guys.
NCPatriot (03:11:32): I'm telling you that when the officers go out, if they're attacked, I think the officer needs to handle it. I think Portland Police needs to handle it.
Marine4America (03:11:43): That's what happened when Ashley Babbitt got shot.
NCPatriot (03:11:47): One unarmed woman, you are going to tell maybe she had a knife. Okay.
Marine4America (03:11:53): That's not the, okay.
NCPatriot (03:11:56): Out of all them people, we're going to shoot a woman with a
PcketSandy (03:12:01): She was the first one. She stepped up, put the quarter in the jukebox.
Marine4America (03:12:06): Yeah, absolutely. You can look up a police training video called Surviving Edged weapons and look at the distance, the amount of distance that someone can close in on you with any kind of edged weapon. They train you as a police officer to shoot and kill, especially when they're already pointing a gun at her and saying, stop, stop. Don't come any further. And she moves in further.
PocketSandy (03:12:27): Plus
PamHemphill79 (03:12:27): He's good.
PocketSandy (03:12:28): She was going to unlock the door and let everybody in. Yes. I got the whole video of Ashley Babbitt's death because I scraped that off the internet too. And it's so fucking crazy that every one of those live streamers didn't try to save her. They just filmed her.
NCPatriot (03:12:43): Oh, there was one that got down there to her.
Marine4America (03:12:47): They saw this. They
PocketSandy (03:12:48): Weren't good at it. They went back to streaming.
NCPatriot (03:12:53): He was a streamer, but I don't think he's still streaming. But I got to get off course. I'm getting ready to have a coughing spell. I've been sick all way and
Marine4America (03:13:00): It I appreciate you. I know I pushed hard, but I appreciate
NCPatriot (03:13:03): You. But that's fine. I don't mind you pushing the hard Marines and MAGA Granny, I don't mind you pushing hard. Y'all have a great night everybody in chat. Sandy, I hope you're doing okay and I hope you continue to do okay and all Rhein, have a good night and left in here, MeC and happy and the moose and dah and everybody. Y'all have a good night and I'm going to be listening. I just can't talk no more. Paul Bronchitis has got me.
PamHemphill79 (03:13:39): I'm
Marine4America (03:13:39): With you.
PamHemphill79 (03:13:39): Take care of yourself. NCP,
NCPatriot (03:13:42): I'm going to Maga Granny and you take care of yourself. Marines, have a good night. Now
Marine4America (03:13:46): Cheer. Cheers, man. I think we had Diablo next again for the patience.
Diablo (03:13:53): Yeah, so now I'm in the middle of work, so I'm going to have to keep it short. I'm just generally ask one question. Oh, and hello Pam and Marine also. Hi Sandy. I hope you're doing better. So my one question is with the, I remember, I think it was TikTok that addressed my answer about the increased tension at the Berlin Ice facility. So what steps can you as a collective group can take to ensure something like that? Like something that happened to Sandy the other day? Doesn't happen again because infighting causes division. It makes people lose focus on the objective. And from what I observed live, it seemed like a small click of individuals were unanimous in pushing Sandy out. And I understand that people, I mean, you're not babysitters, you don't babysit each other. But it is important to keep your sergeant in check and make sure no one gets out of hand. At least that's what I think. But what do you guys think about that? And this could be directed at MREs, Pam or Sandy.
Marine4America (03:14:58): Yeah, I mean I agree with everything you said completely. I think it said a couple times like self policing is the first step. It's a mix of self-policing and knowing if you are the person to get in the middle of something and you kind of have to critically think about who you are and what the situation is. I'm someone I don't mind getting in the middle of kind of any situation. So if someone was doing, especially whatever happened to Sandy, there's a multiple reasons why this is a stupid idea. It doesn't matter what I believe politically. This is so stupid. And I would try to defend somebody. If I couldn't defend them, then I would try to, I think just get accountability. Maybe get some pictures. Maybe we can track it down. But that's me. Yeah.
PocketSandy (02:51:53): Yeah, you can encourage people to change their own mind. You might not be able to change people's minds, but you can encourage them to change them.
PamHemphill79 (02:52:03): Well, I've worked in the field as an alcohol and drug counselor and none of them got sober. They all died on me.
PocketSandy (02:52:12): Fuck yeah. No, that's not everybody though. I didn't die.
PamHemphill79 (02:52:15): Well, what I mean is we're
Marine4America (02:52:18): Hanging in there.
PamHemphill79 (02:52:18): I worked in a heroin addict, a detox methadone clinic, and every day I'd come in and they'd say, I'm sorry, this person won't be here today. They overdosed, they're dead. It was the worst job I ever had at working in that field, but I thought, I'm going to save 'em, going to save these addicts somehow. I didn't save a person, but I tried. Bill W when he came home, he was six months sober and he told his wife, he said, look, he was so depressed. He said, I haven't helped nobody for six months. I've been out there on the streets with these alcoholics and nobody's sober. She said, but you are. So if I'm trying to be the role model and I'm doing the right thing and it's helping me stay sober, that's all we can expect. I'm feeling good.
Mayflower (02:53:10): You think NC Patriot has been very patient?
PocketSandy (02:53:15): Somebody in my group last week from an overdose,
Marine4America (02:53:18): Sorry.
PocketSandy (02:53:19): That's all I got.
Marine4America (02:53:21): It is awful. I think it requires constant effort as anyone in recovery.
PamHemphill79 (02:53:26): But what pocket is planting a good seat? Because now they'll have a place to come to and talk to Pocket when they're ready. And that's all we can do. Pocket. We're just, we've plant the seed and when they're ready, they know where to come. Right.
PocketSandy (02:53:40): Yeah. He was a good man. He was a really good man.
Marine4America (02:53:43): And see Patriot,
NCPatriot (02:53:46): Hey Marines and MAGA granny. And I've always been respectful to both of y'all, but I do want to tell Sandy, I want to remind him that it wasn't anybody on the right who attacked him. And I just want to throw that out there and tell Mey, hello,
Speaker 1 (02:54:06): Avery.
NCPatriot (02:54:06): Hello, happy. Hello, the moose. Diane, everybody. Hello Bach. Hello. But Pam, I want to ask you, when was the last time you saw anybody on the right start violence down at the Ice center?
PamHemphill79 (02:54:28): One? I had two people walk me to a car and one of 'em pulled out a knife to my friend. I've been hit twice. I've been maced myself personally.
NCPatriot (02:54:37): No, no. The last time you saw violence by anybody down at the right and the person at your car you've mistakenly said was Guyer. And I don't know if Guyer still, I
PamHemphill79 (02:54:49): Never
NCPatriot (02:54:49): Said that.
PamHemphill79 (02:54:50): No, no. I said Ireland. No, it wasn't Guyer.
NCPatriot (02:54:53): Okay, then I misunderstood you. I'm sorry, but when was the last time you saw anybody on the right cause violence at the ice?
PamHemphill79 (02:55:03): Several times, but I don't remember exactly what last time.
NCPatriot (02:55:08): Right, because it's been a while because
PamHemphill79 (02:55:11): They haven't ever been around.
NCPatriot (02:55:13): That's right. They haven't been around. It's been peaceful, but they're still, yeah, it was so peaceful that Sandy, they drive
PocketSandy (02:55:19): Bys know
NCPatriot (02:55:20): That Sandy got beat up. That's how peaceful it was. It was so peaceful that members of the, I hate to say other side, but
PamHemphill79 (02:55:32): NBC
NCPatriot (02:55:33): Left side, be Sandy in the back while he's standing there and they're robbing him at the same time.
PamHemphill79 (02:55:39): NBC, this is peaceful. Put up a video of any protests in history. I don't care if it was what protest? Well, you don't see some violence. Come on. Even they got shot in the car. But you
NCPatriot (02:55:53): Okay, gra, come on.
PamHemphill79 (02:55:55): Realistic.
NCPatriot (02:55:55): You're saying what
PamHemphill79 (02:55:56): Do you supposed to expect at protests? What's your expectations?
NCPatriot (02:56:00): But you're saying it's the right that is causing the violence and the right is not there.
PamHemphill79 (02:56:07): They're not. Yeah. And when they're not there, nobody's getting arrested either.
PocketSandy (02:56:12): They do drive-bys. Now, they might not occupy, but they do drive-bys. And Sorry, you didn't see that video.
Marine4America (02:56:18): And the right is systematically rewarded by violence on either side. Right now, NC Patriots,
PamHemphill79 (02:56:25): They love playing victim. They love it.
NCPatriot (02:56:28): No, I'm not saying I'm a victim. I'm not saying anybody on the right who's out there was a victim except for Katie Davis court. Now she's standing at the ice building the other night and people come up and attacked her just from standing there.
PamHemphill79 (02:56:46): Nobody came up to her. They were throwing in those dildos.
NCPatriot (02:56:51): I think she got hit with something other than a dildo.
PamHemphill79 (02:56:54): I'm right next to her in C. No,
NCPatriot (02:56:58): But my question for you is, when they left and a big shout out to Quincy, the black conservative preacher, because he was ready to pick him up when they left. Why were you leading a group of people down the railroad track chasing them or following them while they were leaving? And I can get that video put up.
PamHemphill79 (02:57:28): Why was Katie,
PocketSandy (02:57:29): She wasn't leading.
PamHemphill79 (02:57:29): Why was Katie following all her people? Why was she doing that?
NCPatriot (02:57:33): They were leaving and her crowd were leaving.
PamHemphill79 (02:57:38): Well, I'll explain.
NCPatriot (02:57:39): And y'all were, because y'all, I had leading nobody. Wait a minute, wait a minute. I'm not going to say because you had attacked her. I'm not going to say that. I started to say y'all, but that would include you. And I'm not including you in that. So I need, because she had been attacked. She was leaving, her and Ryan and Chris were leaving. Chris had already been either maced or pepper sprayed. I don't know what he got. But anyway, they were leaving and you were in front of a group following them as they left. And in that group, Ryan got maced or pepper sprayed or I don't know which they use. Okay, so you do the math on that. Why were y'all following them as they were leaving when Katie hadn't done anything wrong?
PocketSandy (02:58:38): First film. And that might help them too, but they even mace themselves. They did. They had giant cloud of it. Got Mac
PamHemphill79 (02:58:47): Too
PocketSandy (02:58:48): Giant. Cloud of Mace.
PamHemphill79 (02:58:49): Well, first NPC. Let's take your statement without asking a question. You already,
NCPatriot (02:58:58): I did ask the question. I said, why were you following? No, that was my question.
PamHemphill79 (02:59:04): I know. Why were you, you said leaving.
NCPatriot (02:59:09): I said, why were y'all following them as they were leaving?
PamHemphill79 (02:59:14): Look at, this is what I do when I saw them walking away and other people were going to follow up. I go to video. That's it.
NCPatriot (02:59:23): But you were leading the pack though.
PamHemphill79 (02:59:26): I can't help who's behind me in front of me.
NCPatriot (02:59:29): And the reason I say that is you're, see what I'm doing?
PamHemphill79 (02:59:31): You're making an accusation. Stop it.
NCPatriot (02:59:34): Explaining.
PamHemphill79 (02:59:35): And you're not listening. You have your mind made up in
NCPatriot (02:59:40): You are a small woman. Or at least you look it to me from what I've seen of you. Which is a good thing because some women kind of let the self go.
PamHemphill79 (02:59:49): BC I can follow anybody, do video. That's what all of us do down there. Both sides follow everybody with a video.
NCPatriot (03:00:00): No. When they're leading or
PamHemphill79 (03:00:01): Live, some are not.
NCPatriot (03:00:03): No, when they're leading,
PamHemphill79 (03:00:03): That doesn't mean they're leading anybody.
NCPatriot (03:00:06): She
PamHemphill79 (03:00:06): Wasn't
NCPatriot (03:00:06): Commanding on.
PamHemphill79 (03:00:08): No, you can't. Anyway. And I wouldn't if I wanted to.
NCPatriot (03:00:12): Okay. I'm just curious because it looked to me like, and I'm just going by my own eyes, okay? And I know I should believe you over my own two eyes, but it looked to me like you were leading this crowd towards Katie and Chris and Rhein when Rhein got sprayed
Marine4America (03:00:37): And cp. Can I ask you seriously, did you see it on a post that was labeled Pam TFA leading the pack?
NCPatriot (03:00:45): No. I saw it live when it happened.
PocketSandy (03:00:48): She was just there.
NCPatriot (03:00:50): And I'm going to be honest with you, Marines, is there a post out that says Pam leading the pack?
Marine4America (03:00:56): Oh yeah, that's the, that's what I mean. They get hot with it. They'll benefit either way. So that's why I say every time I'm up here, a lot of times, whatever you call the teethers are doing the dildo stuff. Yeah, I think it is stupid. It's a stupid look and it gives 'em fodder.
NCPatriot (03:01:16): I'm serious. I did not see a post that said Pam leading the pack. I watched a live video
PamHemphill79 (03:01:22): Because they smear and twist. I do have to stay on the side now and not be in front, but I was just trying to make sure, because Rhein had a stick and I was going to stay there. I wanted to see if they were going to turn around and hurt anybody. And I wanted to get all the video for evidence if they turned around and started fighting with the people that were there. That's all. That's the only reason I'm there for the video.
NCPatriot (03:01:48): Okay. Okay.
PamHemphill79 (03:01:51): I made a mistake. I'm going to stay on the sides because
NCPatriot (03:01:54): The
PamHemphill79 (03:01:54): Appearance.
NCPatriot (03:01:55): No,PocketSandy (03:01:56): I did the same thing, Pam. I was in the front for a minute too.
PamHemphill79 (03:01:58): I gave them ammunition. I knew it right away. I went to my friend, I said, look, they're going to say that I love these people. This is mega. They're twisting and lying about every damn thing I do that. That's okay. I know you got to remember NCP. I know. That's all that matters
NCPatriot (03:02:16): To me. When I asked you,
PamHemphill79 (03:02:17): You can pass a lie detector test. They cannot. That's the difference.
NCPatriot (03:02:22): Most drunks can pass a lie detector test. I know how to do that.
PamHemphill79 (03:02:26): Psycho goes
PocketSandy (03:02:27): Too.
NCPatriot (03:02:28): You
PamHemphill79 (03:02:29): Know what I, you know what I'm saying?
NCPatriot (03:02:30): But what Pam? I didn't see no post that said you were leading the pack or anything. Oh yeah.
PamHemphill79 (03:02:40): It's out there.
NCPatriot (03:02:41): Well, I haven't seen
Marine4America (03:02:42): It. They comment on it live. They already, they spin it as the
PamHemphill79 (03:02:46): Leader of everybody don't control or
NCPatriot (03:02:51): I know that the leader
PocketSandy (03:02:53): Who was going to beat him up,
NCPatriot (03:02:54): You're the leader of Antifa plus your MAGA granny. So you must be the leader of us maga.
PamHemphill79 (03:03:01): And I'm married to,
PocketSandy (03:03:01): She's going to body slam him.
PamHemphill79 (03:03:03): Spider Mike is my boyfriend.
NCPatriot (03:03:05): Oh, well I knew that. MAGA granny,
PamHemphill79 (03:03:07): Me and no, me and Richard are married and Spider Mike is my child.
NCPatriot (03:03:14): Well, listen.
Troll (03:03:15): TFA set up Malcolm X. You got him killed.
PamHemphill79 (03:03:20): Where
NCPatriot (03:03:20): Is that coming from? I've been hearing it.
Marine4America (03:03:24): Just a
PamHemphill79 (03:03:25): Troll.
NCPatriot (03:03:26): Okay.
Marine4America (03:03:27): All right. We got
NCPatriot (03:03:30): Pam. I wasn't, I was just asking you. I told you what it looked like to me and you explained it. And also that's all I was being respectful. I come to you and ask you. So anyway, thank you Maga, granny and thank you Marine for having me up.
Marine4America (03:03:50): Ncp, do you have any opinion on people who are charged with sedition getting their cases thrown?
NCPatriot (03:03:59): Well, I don't have a problem with it
Marine4America (03:04:06): People. Okay,
NCPatriot (03:04:07): And hear me out, they've already been pardoned, right?
PamHemphill79 (03:04:13): Yeah, but you want to say that what their crimes should never be listed is that, but they did. They should never have been pardoned either. They're criminals.
NCPatriot (03:04:21): Okay.
PamHemphill79 (03:04:22): Beat up officers'.
NCPatriot (03:04:23): Alright, alright. No, you were, well, let me rephrase it. You were given a pardon that you didn't accept. How about that? I think that would be the proper way to say it. They were given a pardon who, as far as I know, everybody accepted, but I'm not a hundred percent sure of that. I think Pam might be the only person, at least the only person that I know of who didn't accept a pardon?
PamHemphill79 (03:04:53): Oh, there's a Jason. Oh God, I can't think of his last name for rattle or something. He tried, but they denied it. I think he's still
NCPatriot (03:05:04): Okay. Now let me ask you a question Maga granny and because this does pertain to the topic up there, alright, you pled guilty, you didn't accept the pardon. So you have then this conviction on your record. Is that a fair statement? Yes. Okay. So if they move to dismiss the G six convictions, would that get rid of your conviction also?
PamHemphill79 (03:05:36): No. I think they're just going for somebody to answer this.
Marine4America (03:05:41): It's limited. Yeah. The specific proud boys who? Oh,
PamHemphill79 (03:05:46): And Oath keepers.
Marine4America (03:05:47): Oath keepers. Oath Keepers. Yeah. Let me see here.
NCPatriot (03:05:49): Well, I'm, I'm going to say something that everybody's going to probably take offense to.
Marine4America (03:05:55): People are already pardoned,
NCPatriot (03:05:56): But I don't know that much about the Oath keepers, so I can't comment on them. But the proud boys.
Marine4America (03:06:03): But can't we just say in general, again, everyone's holding 'em pan to the standard people who are attacking cops, they shouldn't be pardoned because that gives people the idea that they can attack cops if they do it for someone who will pardon them.
NCPatriot (03:06:18): Don't
Marine4America (03:06:18): You
NCPatriot (03:06:19): See that all of these people didn't attack a cop?
Marine4America (03:06:22): I know, but we still are. But I'm talking about the people who did.
PamHemphill79 (03:06:27): These are the ones that planned it and had guns in their motel room. Tons of them. They planned it. They were to attack the capitol along Trump was involved even banning all of them.
NCPatriot (03:06:43): But why were the guns in the motel room and not on the capitol grounds with them?
PamHemphill79 (03:06:48): Well, on the capitol grounds, they found 120 in the court records that they were holding guns. They did have guns on them.
Marine4America (03:06:57): But again, we're already distracted off the question, why does that, the specific DJ Rodriguez, he took on a taser and he jammed it into a police officer's neck. He was pardoned
NCPatriot (03:07:11): A policeman, took a gun and shot Ashley Babbitt.
PamHemphill79 (03:07:14): Oh my God.
PocketSandy (03:07:16): To save the country from a bunch of people that were not
NCPatriot (03:07:19): Patriots.
PocketSandy (03:07:20): Not a single patriot there that day.
NCPatriot (03:07:21): So we're going to take and shoot an unarmed woman to save. She
PamHemphill79 (03:07:26): Had a knife on her.
Marine4America (03:07:27): Can you wrestle with what I said first Patriot? Because you're already, I do hear your defense up.
NCPatriot (03:07:33): Do
Marine4America (03:07:34): You hear how you balanced off?
NCPatriot (03:07:36): Can
Marine4America (03:07:36): You even repeat what I said?
NCPatriot (03:07:38): Yeah, you asked me DJ and I can't remember his last name. Hit a taser in the neck of a cop. I believe that's what you said.
PamHemphill79 (03:07:47): What do you care if anybody down at ICE hitting an officer. Why do you care if they're hitting ICE officers? But it's okay if they hit a capitol police officers that are protecting our Congress inside the building and they're talking about killing them and they're bringing ropes. I don't get your double standard here. You either protect officers across the board or you don't.
PocketSandy (03:08:11): Oh, it was the last thing.
Marine4America (03:08:13): Yeah. You are paving the way for raving leftists to actually commit more violence in the hopes that a democratic or a leftist president will then grant them clemency. They will commit crimes because now we're literally granting this.
NCPatriot (03:08:31): That's
Marine4America (03:08:32): What you open the door to.
NCPatriot (03:08:33): I don't care that they attack down at ICE because I think ICE should clean the, I think the president, excuse me, not ice. First off ICE is not dying there at that building. That's the department of DHS, department of Homeland Security that comes out. And I really don't care if they get what happens there because I think the president needs to just whoop in there and just cleaned the whole street up. And that means all the black block. Anybody down there who's committing a crime? All the dope addicts, all the drunks.
Marine4America (03:09:22): I know, man. But you're inviting the federal government to Doug come in and do the police job. And I get that you're dissatisfied with what you see down there. But this is, yeah, this is how you invite the shit. Hold
PamHemphill79 (03:09:34): On. MPC, I saw alcohol and smell pot on January the sixth.
NCPatriot (03:09:39): Say that again, Pam. I'm happy to. We were smoking
PamHemphill79 (03:09:43): Pot and drinking beer on January the sixth.
NCPatriot (03:09:46): Well, you were on pills. So what's the difference? You said that wasn't on
PamHemphill79 (03:09:50): Pills. That's
NCPatriot (03:09:51): Not said your own
(03:09:54): I wasn't on pills. I took a pain pill a half because I had stitches. It's a difference.
Marine4America (03:10:02): And it's not even the point. It's
PamHemphill79 (03:10:03): It's a prescription. Yeah, they try to divert from this shit. I don't want to talk to
Marine4America (03:10:06): You. The point is the same people say that people want the government to come in and clean up Philadelphia for the same reasons. I hear the same shit all the time. And I don't want or need the federal government to use the National Guard to come in and sweep up some fentanyl losers. I'm sorry. We have it handled Marines.
NCPatriot (03:10:27): Let me ask you a question, and this is a serious question because I honestly don't know. Is Philadelphia bad
Marine4America (03:10:36): You're next? It's a beautiful city.
NCPatriot (03:10:39): No, I'm talking about protest wise and stuff.
Marine4America (03:10:44): We destroy city.
Marine4America (03:10:50): Property when our sports team wins.
NCPatriot (03:10:54): So y'all don't destroy property very often, do you?
Marine4America (03:10:57): Oh, we do.
NCPatriot (03:11:00): That was a joke. I think didn't till these World Series was the last year.
Marine4America (03:11:05): Hey, that's what I'm saying. That's where we win. You should see what happens when we lose, man. That's what I'm saying. But we clean up too. I don't know.
PamHemphill79 (03:11:15): Yeah. But a, B, C is what I need is the double standards. You're upset if anybody hurts eyes right down there at the Portland, but it's okay.
NCPatriot (03:11:25): But
PamHemphill79 (03:11:25): It's okay that you January six criminals, were hitting officers. Make up your mind you guys.
NCPatriot (03:11:32): I'm telling you that when the officers go out, if they're attacked, I think the officer needs to handle it. I think Portland Police needs to handle it.
Marine4America (03:11:43): That's what happened when Ashley Babbitt got shot.
NCPatriot (03:11:47): One unarmed woman, you are going to tell maybe she had a knife. Okay.
Marine4America (03:11:53): That's not the, okay.
NCPatriot (03:11:56): Out of all them people, we're going to shoot a woman with a
PcketSandy (03:12:01): She was the first one. She stepped up, put the quarter in the jukebox.
Marine4America (03:12:06): Yeah, absolutely. You can look up a police training video called Surviving Edged weapons and look at the distance, the amount of distance that someone can close in on you with any kind of edged weapon. They train you as a police officer to shoot and kill, especially when they're already pointing a gun at her and saying, stop, stop. Don't come any further. And she moves in further.
PocketSandy (03:12:27): Plus
PamHemphill79 (03:12:27): He's good.
PocketSandy (03:12:28): She was going to unlock the door and let everybody in. Yes. I got the whole video of Ashley Babbitt's death because I scraped that off the internet too. And it's so fucking crazy that every one of those live streamers didn't try to save her. They just filmed her.
NCPatriot (03:12:43): Oh, there was one that got down there to her.
Marine4America (03:12:47): They saw this. They
PocketSandy (03:12:48): Weren't good at it. They went back to streaming.
NCPatriot (03:12:53): He was a streamer, but I don't think he's still streaming. But I got to get off course. I'm getting ready to have a coughing spell. I've been sick all way and
Marine4America (03:13:00): It I appreciate you. I know I pushed hard, but I appreciate
NCPatriot (03:13:03): You. But that's fine. I don't mind you pushing the hard Marines and MAGA Granny, I don't mind you pushing hard. Y'all have a great night everybody in chat. Sandy, I hope you're doing okay and I hope you continue to do okay and all Rhein, have a good night and left in here, MeC and happy and the moose and dah and everybody. Y'all have a good night and I'm going to be listening. I just can't talk no more. Paul Bronchitis has got me.
PamHemphill79 (03:13:39): I'm
Marine4America (03:13:39): With you.
PamHemphill79 (03:13:39): Take care of yourself. NCP,
NCPatriot (03:13:42): I'm going to Maga Granny and you take care of yourself. Marines, have a good night. Now
Marine4America (03:13:46): Cheer. Cheers, man. I think we had Diablo next again for the patience.
Diablo (03:13:53): Yeah, so now I'm in the middle of work, so I'm going to have to keep it short. I'm just generally ask one question. Oh, and hello Pam and Marine also. Hi Sandy. I hope you're doing better. So my one question is with the, I remember, I think it was TikTok that addressed my answer about the increased tension at the Berlin Ice facility. So what steps can you as a collective group can take to ensure something like that? Like something that happened to Sandy the other day? Doesn't happen again because infighting causes division. It makes people lose focus on the objective. And from what I observed live, it seemed like a small click of individuals were unanimous in pushing Sandy out. And I understand that people, I mean, you're not babysitters, you don't babysit each other. But it is important to keep your sergeant in check and make sure no one gets out of hand. At least that's what I think. But what do you guys think about that? And this could be directed at MREs, Pam or Sandy.
Marine4America (03:14:58): Yeah, I mean I agree with everything you said completely. I think it said a couple times like self policing is the first step. It's a mix of self-policing and knowing if you are the person to get in the middle of something and you kind of have to critically think about who you are and what the situation is. I'm someone I don't mind getting in the middle of kind of any situation. So if someone was doing, especially whatever happened to Sandy, there's a multiple reasons why this is a stupid idea. It doesn't matter what I believe politically. This is so stupid. And I would try to defend somebody. If I couldn't defend them, then I would try to, I think just get accountability. Maybe get some pictures. Maybe we can track it down. But that's me. Yeah.
PocketSandy (03:15:52): The police don't come down there anymore at fucking all. And I was surprised that I could even get them to fucking call me back. You don't have police.
Diablo (03:16:06): Sorry about that. Pam, do you have anything you want to comment?
PamHemphill79 (03:16:10): I'm just hoping there's several reasons there should be an intervention. Now I'm a hundred percent for legal, but let's just use Katie for a minute. If somebody's actually attacking her, I wouldn't be able to help because I'm 73, that somebody would help her. You don't want that. We don't want to see anybody being attacked. Now the only thing I tell you, again, like I just said, if you are being attacked being pepper sprayed without cause somebody's hitting you and you have all the right for self-defense, but the legal part is it has to be equal. You can't just pull out again when they don't have, again, you can't pepper spray when there's no threat to you. They're not following the law of self-defense. They're calling it self-defense. Whether there's no self-defense, if somebody's just standing there yelling at you, doesn't mean you can pepper spray. That's what's upsetting me. And just because we don't disagree with each other, it doesn't give me a right to go and attack you. My God, what's that going to look like? Well, I don't like what she said. She called me the C word, so I hit her. Well, it doesn't make no sense. I think we know. I think we know I when it's appropriate to fight back because you're defending yourself, right?
PocketSandy (03:17:44): Can I speak on why it got hotter? I can tell you definitely why it was because Patriot Shane and his behavior with a gun, that's it. Full stop. Everything changed after that. Every fucking thing they were, and MAGA wasn't allowed down there after that. And I don't get to control what they do with that, but that is 110% why he fucked all of you.
Marine4America (03:18:11): I just wanted to add, I've heard of talks because Sandy said that a lot of times the police doesn't do enough. And that is a complaint I've heard from people on the right and I've heard of them saying maybe they should reorganize and protest the police. And it's like, yeah, there you go. And it's like if you're someone on the left or is whatever, anti-ice or whatever, if you can't join them quietly without getting the disagreements, get in the way, then just let them do their thing. And they probably won't return the favor. But that is what everybody should do, is if you can't join somebody with what they're trying to do, then probably just leave 'em alone.
PocketSandy (03:18:57): Look at my YouTube. I made a video on what the police think about this shit. I grilled them on it. I talked to 'em about why six squad cars, lights and sirens drove right by when it was happening and just left. Look at it. You can see what the police think about it. Talk to a liaison.
Diablo (03:19:14):
Think you guys have a bigger problem with the police.
PamHemphill79 (03:19:16): I don't think it's our job to control our police. You can't get in the middle of being a police officer. It's not your job. You
PocketSandy (03:19:24): Chauvin's in prison.
PamHemphill79 (03:19:25): What I mean,
PocketSandy (03:19:26): Chauvin is in prison.
PamHemphill79 (03:19:27): I mean you're asking, especially me, everybody, why don't you do something, Pam, why don't you say something? It's not my job.
PocketSandy (03:19:34): Philando Castile was killed.
PamHemphill79 (03:19:36): They put me in that position. I don't want to be there. However, Chauvin's
PocketSandy (03:19:40): In prison,
PamHemphill79 (03:19:41): But however pocket I think we all agree. If I don't matter who it is, we're all humans. If somebody is actually getting attacked, I watched my friend get jumped by at least five or six mega down there. I watched it. It was right in front of me. They had no business coming over and jumping him, but nobody was there to help him. So don't talk to me about somebody doing something for the mega side when they're not doing anything themselves. I didn't see no mega come over and say you guys stopped doing that one man against six guys.
Marine4America (03:20:24): Alright, we have this guy and then we're going to go to Fire Rice. Go ahead Ryan. What's up?
Rhein Amacher (03:20:31): Yeah, there's a couple of things. I wrote it down. First of all, when you say maga, each of us are our own individuals. Mean the black box are, I would say that's all.
PamHemphill79 (03:20:41): Rhein, let me stop you for a minute. I get that. You got to remember, I even say Antifa when I'm talking about per, I don't know how to help you understand who I'm talking about. If I have to get down to being, well, it's not saying Mag. How are you going to know who in the hell I'm generalizing, right? Well,R
hein Amacher (03:20:59): So there are a group of MAGA patriots that go down there and counter protest. Who else
PamHemphill79 (03:21:05): Is going down?
Rhein Amacher (03:21:06): Well,
PamHemphill79 (03:21:07): Tell
Rhein Amacher (03:21:07): Me. I
PamHemphill79 (03:21:07): Don't know.
Rhein Amacher (03:21:08): Well really no one now, but
PamHemphill79 (03:21:11): So all your whole side, not everybody supports Trump then, is that what you're saying?
Rhein Amacher (03:21:16): No, no, no. They support Trump, but that's right. But I'm trying to make the distinction that there are counter protesting. The protestors are protesting. And then there's only a few myself, Katie, and I don't know Chris. He doesn't really, he's just there trying to keep the peace that didn't work the other night. We're just there to document. We're not even there to protest.
Marine4America (03:21:38): Right. And like I just said about the Patriots protesting or doing a flag wave, if you can't join them when they're, cause then I think you should leave them alone. And so counter protesting citizens is stupid.
PamHemphill79 (03:21:51): I get that Marine, I get that Rhein. But however, look what you say on your post. Look at the terrible things you're saying about us. You guys go, Katie goes up to the president on the round table and lies about being hit. No she doesn't. Those are just words now they're going to see you down there. Somebody's accusing you of being a pedophile. Right? And you see that person. Are you going to be happy they're there? That they're out there lying about you? Let's be realistic.
Rhein Amacher (03:22:21): No, but I consider the source some loser homeless person.
PamHemphill79 (03:22:25): But I'm supposed to like you because you're smearing me never smed. You supposed to go up. I'm generalizing. I'm not talking about you.
Marine4America (03:22:35): YourPamHemphill79 (03:22:35): Content
Marine4America (03:22:35): Is garbage. Come on. It's a toilet
Rhein Amacher (03:22:39): That
Marine4America (03:22:41): I said your content is garbage. It's a toilet.
Rhein Amacher (03:22:44): You seem like you read it.PamHemphill79 (03:22:45): You're just not being realistic is what I'm saying. Ryan.
Marine4America (03:22:47): Yeah, you're a walking smear. You're a shit smear. That's what you are. Is that all you have?
Rhein Amacher (03:22:54): No. So the other thing is that I think so I carried, I had the stick with me not as a weapon to deflect all those dillas every, how are we supposed to
PamHemphill79 (03:23:04): Know it?Rhein Amacher (03:23:06): You saw me deflect left and right all night long.
PocketSandy (03:23:10): Did you with the thick for real reel? Are you like a ninja? I want to see that. I want to go look at the video.
Rhein Amacher (03:23:16): I wouldn't say the most agile. No, Seth, I don't know if have seen the video. I've posted one of the Antifa people posted a video. I think it's now private, but it's still on my ex. But last fall I got in a huge melee with Seth Sinclair, the one that actually threw the huge dildo at Katie and hit her right in the head. That's what started everything every night. What
PamHemphill79 (03:23:44): Ryan? I was right there. It was her leg. I was right there. I saw it hit her leg. I know what two small ones hit the back of her head.
Rhein Amacher (03:23:53): No, there was a big one, but
PamHemphill79 (03:23:54): What color was it? I was
Rhein Amacher (03:23:55): Standing right
PamHemphill79 (03:23:55): There. I'm looking.
Rhein Amacher (03:23:56): It was pink.
PamHemphill79 (03:23:57): But I'm right there. Ryan next to you guys.
Rhein Amacher (03:24:00): Yeah, I picked it up and threw it back at Seth.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:02): Yeah. Why did you do that?
Rhein Amacher (03:24:03): That
PamHemphill79 (03:24:04): Was illegal. You know that?
Rhein Amacher (03:24:06): I don't know who it was.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:06): Right. What gave you the right to throw it at somebody?Rhein Amacher (03:24:11): To my cousin.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:12): It doesn't matter. Legally. It's illegal. That's not self defense.
PocketSandy (03:24:17): It's your cousin.
Rhein Amacher (03:24:19): Yes. Second.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:20): But you cannot,
Marine4America (03:24:21): It all starts to click.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:22): If somebody throws something at me and Marine turns around and takes it and throws it back, he's in trouble. Unless you, are you an equal
Rhein Amacher (03:24:29): Defense?
PamHemphill79 (03:24:30): There's no defense. It's already been thrown at her. Nothing's being thrown at you.
Marine4America (03:24:37): Especially if I
Rhein Amacher (03:24:38): Missed. Well, it did hurt in the head, but yeah, I picked it up. I threw it. It shows in the video. I picked it up and threw it as far as I could. And then Chris went around and tried to defend and say, Hey, he was doing that the whole entire night
PamHemphill79 (03:24:51): And
Rhein Amacher (03:24:51): We just had enough.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:52): But Chris had grabbed him by the neck. No
Rhein Amacher (03:24:56): Self-defense
PamHemphill79 (03:24:56): Going on. He was not being attacked.
Rhein Amacher (03:25:01): Well, he did the attacking. Now whether it was smart to do that, which was
PamHemphill79 (03:25:04): Not legally
Rhein Amacher (03:25:05): Because
PamHemphill79 (03:25:06): We
Rhein Amacher (03:25:07): Didn't have,
PamHemphill79 (03:25:07): Is he a licensed bodyguard? Does he have a license?
Rhein Amacher (03:25:10): I think he has a guy
Marine4America (03:25:11): In the tactical gear.
Rhein Amacher (03:25:13): Yeah. Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (03:25:14): Why couldn't you just leave once it got thrown at her? We did.
Rhein Amacher (03:25:18): No,
PamHemphill79 (03:25:18): It was We did.
Rhein Amacher (03:25:19): No,
PamHemphill79 (03:25:19): You Chris went down there, you threw a dildo. Chris goes down there and tax one of 'em pulls off their helmet and it looked like he wanted to take off his mask.Rhein Amacher (03:25:31): Well no he wasn't. He was trying to repay the favor in a different way. I don't think that was smart. Repay
Marine4America (03:25:36): The favor. He seems like a walking trigger to me. I don't know.
PamHemphill79 (03:25:41): I would've said
Rhein Amacher (03:25:42): It wasn't smart because we didn't have
PamHemphill79 (03:25:43): The numbers. She should have left earlier. She already got thrown at twice. It was a dangerous place for her to be. She should have just left. Just leave. No, she has to stay there and be a victim. Right. See, you guys are violent. No.
Rhein Amacher (03:25:58): How does that equal violence on our part? You guys on your side.
Marine4America (03:26:02): See we got it. That proof checkmate, we won fascism. That was just defeated. We beat it.
Rhein Amacher (03:26:07): What you talking about?
Marine4America (03:26:08): We won.
Rhein Amacher (03:26:09): Why would we have to leave?
Marine4America (03:26:11): No, no, no. We won.
Rhein Amacher (03:26:12): How's that?
Marine4America (03:26:13): I don't know. Mayflower are you next?
Rhein Amacher (03:26:16): But hold on. One last thing I posted in the purple pill. I actually called excuse the Oregon State Police about 30 minutes before even got there saying, Hey, there's a protest tonight. It's going to get violent. Please be there. And they transferred in and he said, no, it's not their jurisdiction, dah dah, dah. They transmitted to Portland police and they said we'll monitor it, but we probably can't be there. So just by that response, we need the National Guard in Portland.
PamHemphill79 (03:26:43): Yeah, I've done a report. They said they had enough evidence with my three videos. Right. They're going to go arrested. It's never happened. It's never happened. So I've had the text too and nothing happens.
Rhein Amacher (03:26:57): Yeah, the police is worthless.
PamHemphill79 (03:27:00): We had a knife pulled on us when I'm trying to get to my car. Come on. Yeah, but I'm just saying don't take responsibility for what you guys did. You threw the dildo, which you had no business doing, and Chris runs down there like a bodyguard. But there was no thing that he had to, he should have stood in front of her if he's a bodyguard. So nobody else throws something at her. Right?
Rhein Amacher (03:27:25): Well, we can't monitor every, it is literally every time we looked away and our kitchen was, I think it was towards ice, they made an announcement and they literally, oh, one second. Boom. That's when the dildos,
PamHemphill79 (03:27:37): It looked like Chris was attacking that person. There was no defect.
Rhein Amacher (03:27:41): Oh yeah. The repaid that and then somebody got in the
PamHemphill79 (03:27:43): Middle to stop it from anybody.
Rhein Amacher (03:27:45): Why did Harry do that?
PamHemphill79 (03:27:46): I don't know who did it. I don't have the video. I don't know. I'm just
Rhein Amacher (03:27:49): Saying why did Harry Mace Chris? I
PamHemphill79 (03:27:51): Don't know. Nobody maced anybody
Rhein Amacher (03:27:54): Such a cluster. Fuck. I got maced and Chris got maced. That was the reason why we left.
PamHemphill79 (03:28:00): You are making accusations. You have no proof.
PocketSandy (03:28:03): That was Chris's mace.
Rhein Amacher (03:28:06): Oh, Chris got maced. Why would he mace himself?
PocketSandy (03:28:10): That's the problem with the law enforcement of Bear Mace. It maces the whole error and everything around you.
Marine4America (03:28:17): That's what I mean. I can appreciate these are real problems, especially when this is real violence on someone like Katie or Sandy. No,
PamHemphill79 (03:28:23): But he's lying about that person macing him because there's
Marine4America (03:28:27): A, it's been so hyperlocal.
PamHemphill79 (03:28:28): There's a friend that wine, I'm talking, it
PocketSandy (03:28:31): Might have happened, but anybody in that era was Mac by the air.
PamHemphill79 (03:28:36): I'm sorry. But I am the host and I'm so disrespected. You talk right over me, you jump in and I'm trying to say something. I got to set a boundary. Rhein, my best a friend like you and Katie. You would trust what Katie tells you, right?
Rhein Amacher (03:28:56): Yeah, of course. So
PamHemphill79 (03:28:57): I have a friend I trust what they tell me what they see. They would never lie to me. I know that I've known 'em too long.
Rhein Amacher (03:29:07): Yeah, for sure.
PamHemphill79 (03:29:08): They witnessed no spray from that person. They saw it from another person. So stop lying.
Rhein Amacher (03:29:17): Okay. Well personal was wearing I
PamHemphill79 (03:29:19): You're
Rhein Amacher (03:29:20): Thinking, this is my judgment.
PamHemphill79 (03:29:22): That's your
Rhein Amacher (03:29:23): Judgment. It looked like Harry, but okay, if you're saying
PamHemphill79 (03:29:26): It wasn't,
Rhein Amacher (03:29:27): If it was it someone else, then still someone Mace came out somewhere. It might not have been from Harry, but someone on the black block idea. Yeah. Did
PamHemphill79 (03:29:35): You put
Rhein Amacher (03:29:36): My point?
PamHemphill79 (03:29:36): Did you spray me that night or was it from somebody?
Rhein Amacher (03:29:39): No, I got sprayed. I got sprayed.
PamHemphill79 (03:29:41): Well, how did I get sprayed?
Rhein Amacher (03:29:43): I have no idea. We left. Right? Probably. But somebody on
PamHemphill79 (03:29:47): Your side sprayed me.
Rhein Amacher (03:29:49): There was only three of us, Pam. He didn't do it. I didn't do it and Chris didn't do it. He got maced.
PamHemphill79 (03:29:55): Okay. I don't know how I got maced.
Rhein Amacher (03:29:58): I don't know either. Well, I, Andy was saying that Seth had, Sinclair had mace and he pulled out weapon. It was very alarming. I dunno, Sandy, you can talk about this if you want.
PocketSandy (03:30:12): I got maced by the cloud of Mace too. Everybody that was in the air around there was maced. I couldn't see for a minute.
PamHemphill79 (03:30:19): Oh, is that what happened? Okay.
PocketSandy (03:30:21): I didn't get directly maced. That's why you got mace too,
PamHemphill79 (03:30:23): Right? Yeah. I didn't know what happened.
PocketSandy (03:30:26): Yeah, it was just a cloud of mace that got everybody. And that's the problem with the spray Mace, like stream is what you need and spray is just how the air is all mace now. Yeah. I don't know
PamHemphill79 (03:30:38): See pocket. That's why I'm asking him. The difference is they accused somebody of spraying them. I don't know who sprayed me. So I'm asking, I'm not going around saying Rhein sprayed me. I could, right Rhein? I could say you sprayed me, but I don't do that. This is what we got to stop doing is putting out false information unless you're an eyewitness to it and have a video. Oh,
Rhein Amacher (03:31:04): Okay. So I was an eyewitness, but I'm 80% sure someone looked like Harry. That person Chris looked similar to Harry. I don't know. When did the other mace come out from Sandy and Pam? Was this after we left or was that during the whole thing?
PamHemphill79 (03:31:24): No, not for me. Go ahead. Sandy,
PocketSandy (03:31:29): Pam and me got maced by the cloud of Mace that was dispensed by Chris. But also I really wish I got hit by dildos that night. Not what I got. It's not the normal kind of dick I get hit in the face with, but I think I could take it.
Marine4America (03:31:44): Yeah. Can I just speak about the mace real quick? You can feel the mace without actually getting directly mace in the face. My first experience with it was my roommate and cut. Yeah. Yeah. It was like maybe it was pepper spray. I don't know what my roommate in college had, but I came in the room, the room was empty and I'm just sitting there and then suddenly my face starts burning and I leave and I find him in the computer lab. He sees my face red and he has this grin across his face. He's like, you went in the room, didn't you? I was like, what the fuck did you do? He sprayed something. I don't know what it was, but it took hours to clear it out and we couldn't even sit there. So I think it's possible a lot of people experienced whatever the hell this cloud was and got really whipped up in the
Rhein Amacher (03:32:28): Yeah, it's aerosol. Yeah, laser lingers. But I wanted figure, I'll ask Chris after this conversation, but I don't think whoever tackled him mace, I don't think Chris would mace himself. I'll ask him to confirm. I don't think he had mace on him. He had a mace grenade, but he didn't use it. He
PocketSandy (03:32:46): Mac.
Rhein Amacher (03:32:47): Oh he did,
PocketSandy (03:32:48): He maced. And again, it's the spray. Mace Mac is all of the air. It's a cloud of Mace. And that's why everybody backed up from you guys is because we were all backing up from the cloud of fucking Mace. And it's in the video and I'm going to share a bunch of video of the whole attack. And that's in it
Rhein Amacher (03:33:07): Is your YouTube channel on your x. I would love to see the video.
PocketSandy (03:33:12): If you just look up Pocket Sandy on any platform, you're going to find it. I don't have much on my anything. I need to put content out just to be alive because fucking, it's deadly. I have content I guess.
Rhein Amacher (03:33:23): Yeah. And I'll talk to Chris because I was under the impression that it was someone else facing Chris. But if it's him, I will confirm that and I will direct myself you for telling me that.
Marine4America (03:33:36): I'll help with anybody's editing. I like creative shit.
PocketSandy (03:33:41): I'll put the video out and I think it is going to clear up a whole ton of shit. I'm just dealing with my disability and all the injuries and shit. It fucking sucks to move my body.
Rhein Amacher (03:33:52): I appreciate that. When we were treating, I did get maced by whoever's, I think it was sas, but I'm not sure when we were basically being mobbed out.
PocketSandy (03:34:03): I believe you.
Rhein Amacher (03:34:03): But the police, I'm just so disgusted with port police. I have a buddy in Dallas that whenever they protest, they actually have a Pacific, not riot police, but just like protest police that go there just to make sure everything's calm is I think you've seen the Antifa down there. They carry automatic weapons on them. I don't think you've ever seen those videos. Things can go real
Diablo (03:16:06): Sorry about that. Pam, do you have anything you want to comment?
PamHemphill79 (03:16:10): I'm just hoping there's several reasons there should be an intervention. Now I'm a hundred percent for legal, but let's just use Katie for a minute. If somebody's actually attacking her, I wouldn't be able to help because I'm 73, that somebody would help her. You don't want that. We don't want to see anybody being attacked. Now the only thing I tell you, again, like I just said, if you are being attacked being pepper sprayed without cause somebody's hitting you and you have all the right for self-defense, but the legal part is it has to be equal. You can't just pull out again when they don't have, again, you can't pepper spray when there's no threat to you. They're not following the law of self-defense. They're calling it self-defense. Whether there's no self-defense, if somebody's just standing there yelling at you, doesn't mean you can pepper spray. That's what's upsetting me. And just because we don't disagree with each other, it doesn't give me a right to go and attack you. My God, what's that going to look like? Well, I don't like what she said. She called me the C word, so I hit her. Well, it doesn't make no sense. I think we know. I think we know I when it's appropriate to fight back because you're defending yourself, right?
PocketSandy (03:17:44): Can I speak on why it got hotter? I can tell you definitely why it was because Patriot Shane and his behavior with a gun, that's it. Full stop. Everything changed after that. Every fucking thing they were, and MAGA wasn't allowed down there after that. And I don't get to control what they do with that, but that is 110% why he fucked all of you.
Marine4America (03:18:11): I just wanted to add, I've heard of talks because Sandy said that a lot of times the police doesn't do enough. And that is a complaint I've heard from people on the right and I've heard of them saying maybe they should reorganize and protest the police. And it's like, yeah, there you go. And it's like if you're someone on the left or is whatever, anti-ice or whatever, if you can't join them quietly without getting the disagreements, get in the way, then just let them do their thing. And they probably won't return the favor. But that is what everybody should do, is if you can't join somebody with what they're trying to do, then probably just leave 'em alone.
PocketSandy (03:18:57): Look at my YouTube. I made a video on what the police think about this shit. I grilled them on it. I talked to 'em about why six squad cars, lights and sirens drove right by when it was happening and just left. Look at it. You can see what the police think about it. Talk to a liaison.
Diablo (03:19:14):
Think you guys have a bigger problem with the police.
PamHemphill79 (03:19:16): I don't think it's our job to control our police. You can't get in the middle of being a police officer. It's not your job. You
PocketSandy (03:19:24): Chauvin's in prison.
PamHemphill79 (03:19:25): What I mean,
PocketSandy (03:19:26): Chauvin is in prison.
PamHemphill79 (03:19:27): I mean you're asking, especially me, everybody, why don't you do something, Pam, why don't you say something? It's not my job.
PocketSandy (03:19:34): Philando Castile was killed.
PamHemphill79 (03:19:36): They put me in that position. I don't want to be there. However, Chauvin's
PocketSandy (03:19:40): In prison,
PamHemphill79 (03:19:41): But however pocket I think we all agree. If I don't matter who it is, we're all humans. If somebody is actually getting attacked, I watched my friend get jumped by at least five or six mega down there. I watched it. It was right in front of me. They had no business coming over and jumping him, but nobody was there to help him. So don't talk to me about somebody doing something for the mega side when they're not doing anything themselves. I didn't see no mega come over and say you guys stopped doing that one man against six guys.
Marine4America (03:20:24): Alright, we have this guy and then we're going to go to Fire Rice. Go ahead Ryan. What's up?
Rhein Amacher (03:20:31): Yeah, there's a couple of things. I wrote it down. First of all, when you say maga, each of us are our own individuals. Mean the black box are, I would say that's all.
PamHemphill79 (03:20:41): Rhein, let me stop you for a minute. I get that. You got to remember, I even say Antifa when I'm talking about per, I don't know how to help you understand who I'm talking about. If I have to get down to being, well, it's not saying Mag. How are you going to know who in the hell I'm generalizing, right? Well,R
hein Amacher (03:20:59): So there are a group of MAGA patriots that go down there and counter protest. Who else
PamHemphill79 (03:21:05): Is going down?
Rhein Amacher (03:21:06): Well,
PamHemphill79 (03:21:07): Tell
Rhein Amacher (03:21:07): Me. I
PamHemphill79 (03:21:07): Don't know.
Rhein Amacher (03:21:08): Well really no one now, but
PamHemphill79 (03:21:11): So all your whole side, not everybody supports Trump then, is that what you're saying?
Rhein Amacher (03:21:16): No, no, no. They support Trump, but that's right. But I'm trying to make the distinction that there are counter protesting. The protestors are protesting. And then there's only a few myself, Katie, and I don't know Chris. He doesn't really, he's just there trying to keep the peace that didn't work the other night. We're just there to document. We're not even there to protest.
Marine4America (03:21:38): Right. And like I just said about the Patriots protesting or doing a flag wave, if you can't join them when they're, cause then I think you should leave them alone. And so counter protesting citizens is stupid.
PamHemphill79 (03:21:51): I get that Marine, I get that Rhein. But however, look what you say on your post. Look at the terrible things you're saying about us. You guys go, Katie goes up to the president on the round table and lies about being hit. No she doesn't. Those are just words now they're going to see you down there. Somebody's accusing you of being a pedophile. Right? And you see that person. Are you going to be happy they're there? That they're out there lying about you? Let's be realistic.
Rhein Amacher (03:22:21): No, but I consider the source some loser homeless person.
PamHemphill79 (03:22:25): But I'm supposed to like you because you're smearing me never smed. You supposed to go up. I'm generalizing. I'm not talking about you.
Marine4America (03:22:35): YourPamHemphill79 (03:22:35): Content
Marine4America (03:22:35): Is garbage. Come on. It's a toilet
Rhein Amacher (03:22:39): That
Marine4America (03:22:41): I said your content is garbage. It's a toilet.
Rhein Amacher (03:22:44): You seem like you read it.PamHemphill79 (03:22:45): You're just not being realistic is what I'm saying. Ryan.
Marine4America (03:22:47): Yeah, you're a walking smear. You're a shit smear. That's what you are. Is that all you have?
Rhein Amacher (03:22:54): No. So the other thing is that I think so I carried, I had the stick with me not as a weapon to deflect all those dillas every, how are we supposed to
PamHemphill79 (03:23:04): Know it?Rhein Amacher (03:23:06): You saw me deflect left and right all night long.
PocketSandy (03:23:10): Did you with the thick for real reel? Are you like a ninja? I want to see that. I want to go look at the video.
Rhein Amacher (03:23:16): I wouldn't say the most agile. No, Seth, I don't know if have seen the video. I've posted one of the Antifa people posted a video. I think it's now private, but it's still on my ex. But last fall I got in a huge melee with Seth Sinclair, the one that actually threw the huge dildo at Katie and hit her right in the head. That's what started everything every night. What
PamHemphill79 (03:23:44): Ryan? I was right there. It was her leg. I was right there. I saw it hit her leg. I know what two small ones hit the back of her head.
Rhein Amacher (03:23:53): No, there was a big one, but
PamHemphill79 (03:23:54): What color was it? I was
Rhein Amacher (03:23:55): Standing right
PamHemphill79 (03:23:55): There. I'm looking.
Rhein Amacher (03:23:56): It was pink.
PamHemphill79 (03:23:57): But I'm right there. Ryan next to you guys.
Rhein Amacher (03:24:00): Yeah, I picked it up and threw it back at Seth.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:02): Yeah. Why did you do that?
Rhein Amacher (03:24:03): That
PamHemphill79 (03:24:04): Was illegal. You know that?
Rhein Amacher (03:24:06): I don't know who it was.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:06): Right. What gave you the right to throw it at somebody?Rhein Amacher (03:24:11): To my cousin.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:12): It doesn't matter. Legally. It's illegal. That's not self defense.
PocketSandy (03:24:17): It's your cousin.
Rhein Amacher (03:24:19): Yes. Second.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:20): But you cannot,
Marine4America (03:24:21): It all starts to click.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:22): If somebody throws something at me and Marine turns around and takes it and throws it back, he's in trouble. Unless you, are you an equal
Rhein Amacher (03:24:29): Defense?
PamHemphill79 (03:24:30): There's no defense. It's already been thrown at her. Nothing's being thrown at you.
Marine4America (03:24:37): Especially if I
Rhein Amacher (03:24:38): Missed. Well, it did hurt in the head, but yeah, I picked it up. I threw it. It shows in the video. I picked it up and threw it as far as I could. And then Chris went around and tried to defend and say, Hey, he was doing that the whole entire night
PamHemphill79 (03:24:51): And
Rhein Amacher (03:24:51): We just had enough.
PamHemphill79 (03:24:52): But Chris had grabbed him by the neck. No
Rhein Amacher (03:24:56): Self-defense
PamHemphill79 (03:24:56): Going on. He was not being attacked.
Rhein Amacher (03:25:01): Well, he did the attacking. Now whether it was smart to do that, which was
PamHemphill79 (03:25:04): Not legally
Rhein Amacher (03:25:05): Because
PamHemphill79 (03:25:06): We
Rhein Amacher (03:25:07): Didn't have,
PamHemphill79 (03:25:07): Is he a licensed bodyguard? Does he have a license?
Rhein Amacher (03:25:10): I think he has a guy
Marine4America (03:25:11): In the tactical gear.
Rhein Amacher (03:25:13): Yeah. Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (03:25:14): Why couldn't you just leave once it got thrown at her? We did.
Rhein Amacher (03:25:18): No,
PamHemphill79 (03:25:18): It was We did.
Rhein Amacher (03:25:19): No,
PamHemphill79 (03:25:19): You Chris went down there, you threw a dildo. Chris goes down there and tax one of 'em pulls off their helmet and it looked like he wanted to take off his mask.Rhein Amacher (03:25:31): Well no he wasn't. He was trying to repay the favor in a different way. I don't think that was smart. Repay
Marine4America (03:25:36): The favor. He seems like a walking trigger to me. I don't know.
PamHemphill79 (03:25:41): I would've said
Rhein Amacher (03:25:42): It wasn't smart because we didn't have
PamHemphill79 (03:25:43): The numbers. She should have left earlier. She already got thrown at twice. It was a dangerous place for her to be. She should have just left. Just leave. No, she has to stay there and be a victim. Right. See, you guys are violent. No.
Rhein Amacher (03:25:58): How does that equal violence on our part? You guys on your side.
Marine4America (03:26:02): See we got it. That proof checkmate, we won fascism. That was just defeated. We beat it.
Rhein Amacher (03:26:07): What you talking about?
Marine4America (03:26:08): We won.
Rhein Amacher (03:26:09): Why would we have to leave?
Marine4America (03:26:11): No, no, no. We won.
Rhein Amacher (03:26:12): How's that?
Marine4America (03:26:13): I don't know. Mayflower are you next?
Rhein Amacher (03:26:16): But hold on. One last thing I posted in the purple pill. I actually called excuse the Oregon State Police about 30 minutes before even got there saying, Hey, there's a protest tonight. It's going to get violent. Please be there. And they transferred in and he said, no, it's not their jurisdiction, dah dah, dah. They transmitted to Portland police and they said we'll monitor it, but we probably can't be there. So just by that response, we need the National Guard in Portland.
PamHemphill79 (03:26:43): Yeah, I've done a report. They said they had enough evidence with my three videos. Right. They're going to go arrested. It's never happened. It's never happened. So I've had the text too and nothing happens.
Rhein Amacher (03:26:57): Yeah, the police is worthless.
PamHemphill79 (03:27:00): We had a knife pulled on us when I'm trying to get to my car. Come on. Yeah, but I'm just saying don't take responsibility for what you guys did. You threw the dildo, which you had no business doing, and Chris runs down there like a bodyguard. But there was no thing that he had to, he should have stood in front of her if he's a bodyguard. So nobody else throws something at her. Right?
Rhein Amacher (03:27:25): Well, we can't monitor every, it is literally every time we looked away and our kitchen was, I think it was towards ice, they made an announcement and they literally, oh, one second. Boom. That's when the dildos,
PamHemphill79 (03:27:37): It looked like Chris was attacking that person. There was no defect.
Rhein Amacher (03:27:41): Oh yeah. The repaid that and then somebody got in the
PamHemphill79 (03:27:43): Middle to stop it from anybody.
Rhein Amacher (03:27:45): Why did Harry do that?
PamHemphill79 (03:27:46): I don't know who did it. I don't have the video. I don't know. I'm just
Rhein Amacher (03:27:49): Saying why did Harry Mace Chris? I
PamHemphill79 (03:27:51): Don't know. Nobody maced anybody
Rhein Amacher (03:27:54): Such a cluster. Fuck. I got maced and Chris got maced. That was the reason why we left.
PamHemphill79 (03:28:00): You are making accusations. You have no proof.
PocketSandy (03:28:03): That was Chris's mace.
Rhein Amacher (03:28:06): Oh, Chris got maced. Why would he mace himself?
PocketSandy (03:28:10): That's the problem with the law enforcement of Bear Mace. It maces the whole error and everything around you.
Marine4America (03:28:17): That's what I mean. I can appreciate these are real problems, especially when this is real violence on someone like Katie or Sandy. No,
PamHemphill79 (03:28:23): But he's lying about that person macing him because there's
Marine4America (03:28:27): A, it's been so hyperlocal.
PamHemphill79 (03:28:28): There's a friend that wine, I'm talking, it
PocketSandy (03:28:31): Might have happened, but anybody in that era was Mac by the air.
PamHemphill79 (03:28:36): I'm sorry. But I am the host and I'm so disrespected. You talk right over me, you jump in and I'm trying to say something. I got to set a boundary. Rhein, my best a friend like you and Katie. You would trust what Katie tells you, right?
Rhein Amacher (03:28:56): Yeah, of course. So
PamHemphill79 (03:28:57): I have a friend I trust what they tell me what they see. They would never lie to me. I know that I've known 'em too long.
Rhein Amacher (03:29:07): Yeah, for sure.
PamHemphill79 (03:29:08): They witnessed no spray from that person. They saw it from another person. So stop lying.
Rhein Amacher (03:29:17): Okay. Well personal was wearing I
PamHemphill79 (03:29:19): You're
Rhein Amacher (03:29:20): Thinking, this is my judgment.
PamHemphill79 (03:29:22): That's your
Rhein Amacher (03:29:23): Judgment. It looked like Harry, but okay, if you're saying
PamHemphill79 (03:29:26): It wasn't,
Rhein Amacher (03:29:27): If it was it someone else, then still someone Mace came out somewhere. It might not have been from Harry, but someone on the black block idea. Yeah. Did
PamHemphill79 (03:29:35): You put
Rhein Amacher (03:29:36): My point?
PamHemphill79 (03:29:36): Did you spray me that night or was it from somebody?
Rhein Amacher (03:29:39): No, I got sprayed. I got sprayed.
PamHemphill79 (03:29:41): Well, how did I get sprayed?
Rhein Amacher (03:29:43): I have no idea. We left. Right? Probably. But somebody on
PamHemphill79 (03:29:47): Your side sprayed me.
Rhein Amacher (03:29:49): There was only three of us, Pam. He didn't do it. I didn't do it and Chris didn't do it. He got maced.
PamHemphill79 (03:29:55): Okay. I don't know how I got maced.
Rhein Amacher (03:29:58): I don't know either. Well, I, Andy was saying that Seth had, Sinclair had mace and he pulled out weapon. It was very alarming. I dunno, Sandy, you can talk about this if you want.
PocketSandy (03:30:12): I got maced by the cloud of Mace too. Everybody that was in the air around there was maced. I couldn't see for a minute.
PamHemphill79 (03:30:19): Oh, is that what happened? Okay.
PocketSandy (03:30:21): I didn't get directly maced. That's why you got mace too,
PamHemphill79 (03:30:23): Right? Yeah. I didn't know what happened.
PocketSandy (03:30:26): Yeah, it was just a cloud of mace that got everybody. And that's the problem with the spray Mace, like stream is what you need and spray is just how the air is all mace now. Yeah. I don't know
PamHemphill79 (03:30:38): See pocket. That's why I'm asking him. The difference is they accused somebody of spraying them. I don't know who sprayed me. So I'm asking, I'm not going around saying Rhein sprayed me. I could, right Rhein? I could say you sprayed me, but I don't do that. This is what we got to stop doing is putting out false information unless you're an eyewitness to it and have a video. Oh,
Rhein Amacher (03:31:04): Okay. So I was an eyewitness, but I'm 80% sure someone looked like Harry. That person Chris looked similar to Harry. I don't know. When did the other mace come out from Sandy and Pam? Was this after we left or was that during the whole thing?
PamHemphill79 (03:31:24): No, not for me. Go ahead. Sandy,
PocketSandy (03:31:29): Pam and me got maced by the cloud of Mace that was dispensed by Chris. But also I really wish I got hit by dildos that night. Not what I got. It's not the normal kind of dick I get hit in the face with, but I think I could take it.
Marine4America (03:31:44): Yeah. Can I just speak about the mace real quick? You can feel the mace without actually getting directly mace in the face. My first experience with it was my roommate and cut. Yeah. Yeah. It was like maybe it was pepper spray. I don't know what my roommate in college had, but I came in the room, the room was empty and I'm just sitting there and then suddenly my face starts burning and I leave and I find him in the computer lab. He sees my face red and he has this grin across his face. He's like, you went in the room, didn't you? I was like, what the fuck did you do? He sprayed something. I don't know what it was, but it took hours to clear it out and we couldn't even sit there. So I think it's possible a lot of people experienced whatever the hell this cloud was and got really whipped up in the
Rhein Amacher (03:32:28): Yeah, it's aerosol. Yeah, laser lingers. But I wanted figure, I'll ask Chris after this conversation, but I don't think whoever tackled him mace, I don't think Chris would mace himself. I'll ask him to confirm. I don't think he had mace on him. He had a mace grenade, but he didn't use it. He
PocketSandy (03:32:46): Mac.
Rhein Amacher (03:32:47): Oh he did,
PocketSandy (03:32:48): He maced. And again, it's the spray. Mace Mac is all of the air. It's a cloud of Mace. And that's why everybody backed up from you guys is because we were all backing up from the cloud of fucking Mace. And it's in the video and I'm going to share a bunch of video of the whole attack. And that's in it
Rhein Amacher (03:33:07): Is your YouTube channel on your x. I would love to see the video.
PocketSandy (03:33:12): If you just look up Pocket Sandy on any platform, you're going to find it. I don't have much on my anything. I need to put content out just to be alive because fucking, it's deadly. I have content I guess.
Rhein Amacher (03:33:23): Yeah. And I'll talk to Chris because I was under the impression that it was someone else facing Chris. But if it's him, I will confirm that and I will direct myself you for telling me that.
Marine4America (03:33:36): I'll help with anybody's editing. I like creative shit.
PocketSandy (03:33:41): I'll put the video out and I think it is going to clear up a whole ton of shit. I'm just dealing with my disability and all the injuries and shit. It fucking sucks to move my body.
Rhein Amacher (03:33:52): I appreciate that. When we were treating, I did get maced by whoever's, I think it was sas, but I'm not sure when we were basically being mobbed out.
PocketSandy (03:34:03): I believe you.
Rhein Amacher (03:34:03): But the police, I'm just so disgusted with port police. I have a buddy in Dallas that whenever they protest, they actually have a Pacific, not riot police, but just like protest police that go there just to make sure everything's calm is I think you've seen the Antifa down there. They carry automatic weapons on them. I don't think you've ever seen those videos. Things can go real
Marine4America (03:34:27): Quick. We used to protest them instead of just trying to rile up already stupid people. We got to go to May Flower.
Mayflower (03:34:38): Sorry. So again, my comment was really more reflective of NC Patriots in the January 6th situation, not this current subject.
Marine4America (03:34:49): Oh, can you actually remind me because I get lost.
Mayflower (03:34:53): Yeah, sorry. So I would like to phrase it as, so going back to what I talked to you about before with the ideologies and what fascism is and what the left side is kind of standing for, and you put that in the context of, for example, let's use police brutality. So if you take one topic if you will, or one scenario and you use police brutality or policing, most people would say, well, police brutality tends to rise more on the left side where it becomes a concern that the police are oppressing people and they tend to take a stance that tends a little bit more against the police or pushing back against the police. Whereas the right side tends to say, well, we like their authority, we want them in control. So now you go to January 6th and you take this example, and now for example, you look at the Ashley Babbitt and it's interesting because now you have the right side who is saying, oh, well Ashley's in the wrong and we're not going to stand up for the police in this scenario. And Ashley was, oh sorry. No, Ashley would see it even gets confusing explaining Ashley, she's the victim and the police are wrong. And now you have the left side saying, oh, the police are right. If you look at police training, this is right. She had a knife that's justified homicide. And so what you're seeing is political party loyalty taking place where again, that culture starts to shift and then you have the left all of a sudden sticking up for the police actions and you have the right now speaking out against police brutality in a somewhat kind of not so direct means. And so when you step back and look at this, this is a good example in real time of how political loyalty, loyalty to a party makes things so confusing. Like, well, wait a minute. Now the whole goalpost has changed because here's our ideology where we started, we were against the oppression and now wait a minute, now we're shifting all the way over here. So where are we going? And people get very confused, but humans tend to want to act tribalistic or in loyalty, loyalty of a team. And that is just very natural for humans to do this. But it's so confusing and it makes things so manipulative and propaganda and all of that. So actually the people who are more grounded actually in their ideology tend to go back and forth between parties, which is very, very interesting to me. But I think it helps clarify. And I think some of the criticism here that goes towards MAGA is the extreme party loyalty. Where the ideology, it's so off the chart that and now you're seeing it crack on the right where it's like, wow, wait a minute, where have we gone now? Trump is Jesus. So I think it's important if we acknowledge this and it can bring us together a little bit more if we acknowledge there is significant party loyalty that's interplaying here and distracting us from where our ideology was set from the beginning. I hope that makes sense. But sorry, my last comment is I really appreciate the hands up and trying to respect the hands up. However, I would say it's very hard to participate in the conversation when the hands just get ignored for an hour. I'm not trying to be, not personally whatever, I don't take any of this personal. I'm just speaking on behalf of the space. I think it might be the co-host or somebody to invite those people to actually say something so they can participate in the conversation while it's happening instead of an hour later. That's it.
PamHemphill79 (03:39:17): Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, you hear that Marie just straighten it up.
Marine4America (03:39:22): No, I do too. Yeah,
Mayflower (03:39:24): I didn't mean to be mean. I was just
Marine4America (03:39:26): No, it wasn't even mean. You know what I appreciate mean? I love mean.
PamHemphill79 (03:39:30): Yes, me too. When it's real.
Marine4America (03:39:32): Yeah, and that's an absolutely good point.
PamHemphill79 (03:39:35): Oh, I want to apologize. You're right. Thank you for reminding us.
Marine4America (03:39:41): And as for party loyalty, I don't want to speak too much. I'm not going to go on a soapbox about that. I think there is this constant fuzziness between what we think people's ideologies are. And obviously I'm guilty of this too when I point my finger at my MAGA because I point my finger hard right now. But I know on a personal level I am pretty consistent and in my heart I know that and I'd be willing to talk with that and share with that. Somebody left a comment earlier about what I would be willing to talk about for the summer of love, and I posted a picture of fire of rioting happening. I said I would love to talk about that. There's lots of mistakes happening, but we're in a place right now where it feels like, I feel like I'm constantly being gaslit and that makes me a little crazy sometimes. But you were real and I love that. So thank you.
PamHemphill79 (03:40:37): I don't see any hands up. Do you?
Marine4America (03:40:39): Yeah, we have. I can't read the Arabic, but I see Wesker four. You're new, but I don't see your hand up. Russ, you're new, but I don't see your hand up. If you guys are willing to jump in. Yeah.
William Wesker (03:40:57): Hello everyone. Good evening. My name is, you can't call me Nas or William. What if I don't know what is the sub gate, but I listened. You said you, I have advice to my brothers and my sister in this life. I live in Arizona and Colorado State. You can come my host to eat my lamb or dinners or chicken Tyson, whatever. So I think there is problem in this life. Trump or all the leaders, Chinese, Japanese, there is something wrong. I feel it. I study environmental engineer in this earth. It is one solution. It's called environmental or peaceful, human accepted by religion, Bible, Quran or whatever. Because there is something will became maybe an end of May in the end of April, maybe something to be told with you, something dead. So dangerous. I'm still young, I just born 2000. But when I see social media, there is something like not good news, something so bigger. So my advice to my brothers and sister in this air, just protect your family. Stay chill, stay peaceful. Love your father, your mother. Love your eve, Maria, Adam, Joan, Abraham. So yeah, God bless you everyone, and I hope everyone will be in this life peaceful and healthy and grateful and wealthy. Thank you so much to this advice. God bless you. Thank you.
PamHemphill79 (03:42:48): Oh, thank you so much for coming. Please come back.
Marine4America (03:42:51): Thanks for joining us. Yeah, Russ grew up. You don't have to be up Ru, his hand wasn't even up, but I mean in the word of Philadelphia with his last speaker in regards to what the last speaker said. I fuck with that.
PamHemphill79 (03:43:23): Hey, why is it we got how many we got here, 145 listeners and Ryan came up. He's got the nerve, right? Why don't you come up there? Nothing we could do, but put you down if we don't like what you're saying. That's all.
Marine4America (03:43:43): Come on up. Ryan's one of the prepared snakes. I guess he has more ties into their media than I thought. So he's kind of like, he has all that shit ready to go. Like I said, Pam, in the beginning of the space, he has the cheat sheet. He has not only just those five techniques, but he has everything else. Sandy, what's up?
PocketSandy (03:44:06): I think I approached this with you, Pam, before I think your internet or my internet or something. I don't mean to speak over you when I'm doing it. You're not speaking on my side. So I'm trying my best. So I don't doubt we'll have this conversation again because it's super frustrating when it happens to me and I just want to fucking just be frustrated. You know what I mean? So I got grace for you. Keep on bringing it up. I'm going to keep on saying what I'm going to say on it and maybe we'll move somewhere. But I'm trying to be really, really, really careful. The leftists are watching all these places now to build their whatever to come after me. And I said something, I'm Shane, and people are already kind of spreading stuff around. I'm upset that how that Shane thing came back around to be dangerous to me. Why they were dangerous to me is because what Shane didn't and his decisions. And I got so many fucking opinions on that. But I'm going to table it for now. I'm invite everybody else too. I just need to get through today. So it is what it is. I regret saying, but I needed to answer why it happened, why the heat turned up, and I'm going to have spicy language just impulsively and almost every fucking thing I say for a while. So I guess buckle up. I'm trying. I'm really trying.
Marine4America (03:45:33): Love that too. Pam. I am going to start winding down here for myself. I don't know what time you want to close, but I can't afford to fall asleep on everybody again.
PamHemphill79 (03:45:46): Yeah, that's fine. Maybe Russ. I don't know who's available to cohost, but I don't need help. Don't worry about it. I'm fine. Go ahead, Chris. Alright,
Marine4America (03:45:53): Cool.
PamHemphill79 (03:45:53): I'll probably go into their half hour at most. Depends on the hands. Yeah,
Marine4America (03:45:57): That's fine. If
PamHemphill79 (03:45:58): There's not hands,
Marine4America (03:45:58): I still got some time too.
PamHemphill79 (03:45:59): No, people aren't wanting to talk. Why stay around? You have to have,
PocketSandy (03:46:05): I've only got words to say, but I really want to give other people a talk. I've been talking a bit,
PamHemphill79 (03:46:09): I just don't see any hands.
Marine4America (03:46:11): It's just indef. I know people could go, why do you bring up January 6th? But it's indefensible and yeah, it is something that will be brought up until the end of time and I hope people are prepared for that.
PamHemphill79 (03:46:25): Well, what
PocketSandy (03:46:25): I could say a lot on J six if you want to hear it. Well,
PamHemphill79 (03:46:27): What I'd like you to do, Marine, I remember I posted it that it's another video on leaving mega. It's really good. It's very short too. You see it.
Marine4America (03:46:48): Sandy, did you want to go ahead while I punch this up?
PocketSandy (03:46:55): Yeah, I guess. Pam, what do you think about when I guess first off, I would invite everybody to go on YouTube and look up the tattoo artists that for free do coverups of Nazi tattoos. But with that said, when you learn about the stories of people that were neo-Nazis and they changed their life, do we feel like that is analogous to not at the same scale as you, Pam, but do we feel like, should we be inviting people to turn into a better direction? Just like probably somebody did with those neo-Nazis? Should I be doing that with maga?
PamHemphill79 (03:47:42): Everybody's got to follow their own path. Everybody's led to do something different. It's not going to be my path, but you follow your heart. What you feel is right for you to be doing. I can't tell you what's right or wrong. Hell, I've made the mistake, oh, this has got to be God's will. This is exciting. Got this job. And it was perfect, right? It was the worst job I ever got. So I can misunderstand things and thinking, oh, they shouldn't be doing that. Who am I to judge? No pocket? I would just say follow your heart. Listen to your own self. Don't let anybody tell you what to do, how to do it, what to do. Trust your heart. Keep doing what's right for you, period. Listen to your heart. What you feel is right. Anything we're doing to help make this world a better place, can't be wrong. Be wrong.
PocketSandy (03:48:35): That's fair. I will say that I'm not going to do what I was doing anymore. They won. They won. And our will when I get out of the space, maybe when I get to Minnesota, but it'll all be content I put out. It won't be me being in that space. So all of the thoughts will fucking run free. But right now I just need to stay alive. And my mission is just to try to bring enough peace within our own people so that people that understand me and my mission and what I do and the good that I do, don't feel afraid to speak their mind. I cannot pass the buck to somebody. That isn't fucking writing goddamn software to fight this problem that isn't doing an enormous amount of untold things that you'll probably never fucking learn about. And behind the scenes, nothing crazy, but I mean, I fight in ways that nobody knows, but I got to lean into other things I do. It is point blank, not safe for me to do what I did anymore. And it's just not possible anymore. And my words will not carry the same weight as they did before, no matter what I do now. So they did win. They did change what I can do and my voice was taken even in this space and anywhere I go and just like I said, I regret saying anything too spicy words, unchained, not necessarily saying why the heat turned up, but I regret saying the spicier words because it's not safe for me to say those words. I lost my voice.
PamHemphill79 (03:50:24): I think it's important. Communication, back to communication, communication, communication. Just think about this. I'm not telling you what to do. Think about it. One, if I went and just had a conversation with these people that, and listen to their side first. Don't tell 'em my side. I want to hear why they don't want me down there. Let's pretend I'm the one, right? They don't want down there. I want to hear why first I and then, okay, I'm just saying we got to communicate. I guess that's,
Marine4America (03:51:01): Was it this how to get someone out of the Trump cult? Was that the one you wanted, Pam?
PamHemphill79 (03:51:07): Yeah, it's very good.
Marine4America (03:51:09): Okay.
Mayflower (03:34:38): Sorry. So again, my comment was really more reflective of NC Patriots in the January 6th situation, not this current subject.
Marine4America (03:34:49): Oh, can you actually remind me because I get lost.
Mayflower (03:34:53): Yeah, sorry. So I would like to phrase it as, so going back to what I talked to you about before with the ideologies and what fascism is and what the left side is kind of standing for, and you put that in the context of, for example, let's use police brutality. So if you take one topic if you will, or one scenario and you use police brutality or policing, most people would say, well, police brutality tends to rise more on the left side where it becomes a concern that the police are oppressing people and they tend to take a stance that tends a little bit more against the police or pushing back against the police. Whereas the right side tends to say, well, we like their authority, we want them in control. So now you go to January 6th and you take this example, and now for example, you look at the Ashley Babbitt and it's interesting because now you have the right side who is saying, oh, well Ashley's in the wrong and we're not going to stand up for the police in this scenario. And Ashley was, oh sorry. No, Ashley would see it even gets confusing explaining Ashley, she's the victim and the police are wrong. And now you have the left side saying, oh, the police are right. If you look at police training, this is right. She had a knife that's justified homicide. And so what you're seeing is political party loyalty taking place where again, that culture starts to shift and then you have the left all of a sudden sticking up for the police actions and you have the right now speaking out against police brutality in a somewhat kind of not so direct means. And so when you step back and look at this, this is a good example in real time of how political loyalty, loyalty to a party makes things so confusing. Like, well, wait a minute. Now the whole goalpost has changed because here's our ideology where we started, we were against the oppression and now wait a minute, now we're shifting all the way over here. So where are we going? And people get very confused, but humans tend to want to act tribalistic or in loyalty, loyalty of a team. And that is just very natural for humans to do this. But it's so confusing and it makes things so manipulative and propaganda and all of that. So actually the people who are more grounded actually in their ideology tend to go back and forth between parties, which is very, very interesting to me. But I think it helps clarify. And I think some of the criticism here that goes towards MAGA is the extreme party loyalty. Where the ideology, it's so off the chart that and now you're seeing it crack on the right where it's like, wow, wait a minute, where have we gone now? Trump is Jesus. So I think it's important if we acknowledge this and it can bring us together a little bit more if we acknowledge there is significant party loyalty that's interplaying here and distracting us from where our ideology was set from the beginning. I hope that makes sense. But sorry, my last comment is I really appreciate the hands up and trying to respect the hands up. However, I would say it's very hard to participate in the conversation when the hands just get ignored for an hour. I'm not trying to be, not personally whatever, I don't take any of this personal. I'm just speaking on behalf of the space. I think it might be the co-host or somebody to invite those people to actually say something so they can participate in the conversation while it's happening instead of an hour later. That's it.
PamHemphill79 (03:39:17): Thank you. I appreciate that. Yeah, you hear that Marie just straighten it up.
Marine4America (03:39:22): No, I do too. Yeah,
Mayflower (03:39:24): I didn't mean to be mean. I was just
Marine4America (03:39:26): No, it wasn't even mean. You know what I appreciate mean? I love mean.
PamHemphill79 (03:39:30): Yes, me too. When it's real.
Marine4America (03:39:32): Yeah, and that's an absolutely good point.
PamHemphill79 (03:39:35): Oh, I want to apologize. You're right. Thank you for reminding us.
Marine4America (03:39:41): And as for party loyalty, I don't want to speak too much. I'm not going to go on a soapbox about that. I think there is this constant fuzziness between what we think people's ideologies are. And obviously I'm guilty of this too when I point my finger at my MAGA because I point my finger hard right now. But I know on a personal level I am pretty consistent and in my heart I know that and I'd be willing to talk with that and share with that. Somebody left a comment earlier about what I would be willing to talk about for the summer of love, and I posted a picture of fire of rioting happening. I said I would love to talk about that. There's lots of mistakes happening, but we're in a place right now where it feels like, I feel like I'm constantly being gaslit and that makes me a little crazy sometimes. But you were real and I love that. So thank you.
PamHemphill79 (03:40:37): I don't see any hands up. Do you?
Marine4America (03:40:39): Yeah, we have. I can't read the Arabic, but I see Wesker four. You're new, but I don't see your hand up. Russ, you're new, but I don't see your hand up. If you guys are willing to jump in. Yeah.
William Wesker (03:40:57): Hello everyone. Good evening. My name is, you can't call me Nas or William. What if I don't know what is the sub gate, but I listened. You said you, I have advice to my brothers and my sister in this life. I live in Arizona and Colorado State. You can come my host to eat my lamb or dinners or chicken Tyson, whatever. So I think there is problem in this life. Trump or all the leaders, Chinese, Japanese, there is something wrong. I feel it. I study environmental engineer in this earth. It is one solution. It's called environmental or peaceful, human accepted by religion, Bible, Quran or whatever. Because there is something will became maybe an end of May in the end of April, maybe something to be told with you, something dead. So dangerous. I'm still young, I just born 2000. But when I see social media, there is something like not good news, something so bigger. So my advice to my brothers and sister in this air, just protect your family. Stay chill, stay peaceful. Love your father, your mother. Love your eve, Maria, Adam, Joan, Abraham. So yeah, God bless you everyone, and I hope everyone will be in this life peaceful and healthy and grateful and wealthy. Thank you so much to this advice. God bless you. Thank you.
PamHemphill79 (03:42:48): Oh, thank you so much for coming. Please come back.
Marine4America (03:42:51): Thanks for joining us. Yeah, Russ grew up. You don't have to be up Ru, his hand wasn't even up, but I mean in the word of Philadelphia with his last speaker in regards to what the last speaker said. I fuck with that.
PamHemphill79 (03:43:23): Hey, why is it we got how many we got here, 145 listeners and Ryan came up. He's got the nerve, right? Why don't you come up there? Nothing we could do, but put you down if we don't like what you're saying. That's all.
Marine4America (03:43:43): Come on up. Ryan's one of the prepared snakes. I guess he has more ties into their media than I thought. So he's kind of like, he has all that shit ready to go. Like I said, Pam, in the beginning of the space, he has the cheat sheet. He has not only just those five techniques, but he has everything else. Sandy, what's up?
PocketSandy (03:44:06): I think I approached this with you, Pam, before I think your internet or my internet or something. I don't mean to speak over you when I'm doing it. You're not speaking on my side. So I'm trying my best. So I don't doubt we'll have this conversation again because it's super frustrating when it happens to me and I just want to fucking just be frustrated. You know what I mean? So I got grace for you. Keep on bringing it up. I'm going to keep on saying what I'm going to say on it and maybe we'll move somewhere. But I'm trying to be really, really, really careful. The leftists are watching all these places now to build their whatever to come after me. And I said something, I'm Shane, and people are already kind of spreading stuff around. I'm upset that how that Shane thing came back around to be dangerous to me. Why they were dangerous to me is because what Shane didn't and his decisions. And I got so many fucking opinions on that. But I'm going to table it for now. I'm invite everybody else too. I just need to get through today. So it is what it is. I regret saying, but I needed to answer why it happened, why the heat turned up, and I'm going to have spicy language just impulsively and almost every fucking thing I say for a while. So I guess buckle up. I'm trying. I'm really trying.
Marine4America (03:45:33): Love that too. Pam. I am going to start winding down here for myself. I don't know what time you want to close, but I can't afford to fall asleep on everybody again.
PamHemphill79 (03:45:46): Yeah, that's fine. Maybe Russ. I don't know who's available to cohost, but I don't need help. Don't worry about it. I'm fine. Go ahead, Chris. Alright,
Marine4America (03:45:53): Cool.
PamHemphill79 (03:45:53): I'll probably go into their half hour at most. Depends on the hands. Yeah,
Marine4America (03:45:57): That's fine. If
PamHemphill79 (03:45:58): There's not hands,
Marine4America (03:45:58): I still got some time too.
PamHemphill79 (03:45:59): No, people aren't wanting to talk. Why stay around? You have to have,
PocketSandy (03:46:05): I've only got words to say, but I really want to give other people a talk. I've been talking a bit,
PamHemphill79 (03:46:09): I just don't see any hands.
Marine4America (03:46:11): It's just indef. I know people could go, why do you bring up January 6th? But it's indefensible and yeah, it is something that will be brought up until the end of time and I hope people are prepared for that.
PamHemphill79 (03:46:25): Well, what
PocketSandy (03:46:25): I could say a lot on J six if you want to hear it. Well,
PamHemphill79 (03:46:27): What I'd like you to do, Marine, I remember I posted it that it's another video on leaving mega. It's really good. It's very short too. You see it.
Marine4America (03:46:48): Sandy, did you want to go ahead while I punch this up?
PocketSandy (03:46:55): Yeah, I guess. Pam, what do you think about when I guess first off, I would invite everybody to go on YouTube and look up the tattoo artists that for free do coverups of Nazi tattoos. But with that said, when you learn about the stories of people that were neo-Nazis and they changed their life, do we feel like that is analogous to not at the same scale as you, Pam, but do we feel like, should we be inviting people to turn into a better direction? Just like probably somebody did with those neo-Nazis? Should I be doing that with maga?
PamHemphill79 (03:47:42): Everybody's got to follow their own path. Everybody's led to do something different. It's not going to be my path, but you follow your heart. What you feel is right for you to be doing. I can't tell you what's right or wrong. Hell, I've made the mistake, oh, this has got to be God's will. This is exciting. Got this job. And it was perfect, right? It was the worst job I ever got. So I can misunderstand things and thinking, oh, they shouldn't be doing that. Who am I to judge? No pocket? I would just say follow your heart. Listen to your own self. Don't let anybody tell you what to do, how to do it, what to do. Trust your heart. Keep doing what's right for you, period. Listen to your heart. What you feel is right. Anything we're doing to help make this world a better place, can't be wrong. Be wrong.
PocketSandy (03:48:35): That's fair. I will say that I'm not going to do what I was doing anymore. They won. They won. And our will when I get out of the space, maybe when I get to Minnesota, but it'll all be content I put out. It won't be me being in that space. So all of the thoughts will fucking run free. But right now I just need to stay alive. And my mission is just to try to bring enough peace within our own people so that people that understand me and my mission and what I do and the good that I do, don't feel afraid to speak their mind. I cannot pass the buck to somebody. That isn't fucking writing goddamn software to fight this problem that isn't doing an enormous amount of untold things that you'll probably never fucking learn about. And behind the scenes, nothing crazy, but I mean, I fight in ways that nobody knows, but I got to lean into other things I do. It is point blank, not safe for me to do what I did anymore. And it's just not possible anymore. And my words will not carry the same weight as they did before, no matter what I do now. So they did win. They did change what I can do and my voice was taken even in this space and anywhere I go and just like I said, I regret saying anything too spicy words, unchained, not necessarily saying why the heat turned up, but I regret saying the spicier words because it's not safe for me to say those words. I lost my voice.
PamHemphill79 (03:50:24): I think it's important. Communication, back to communication, communication, communication. Just think about this. I'm not telling you what to do. Think about it. One, if I went and just had a conversation with these people that, and listen to their side first. Don't tell 'em my side. I want to hear why they don't want me down there. Let's pretend I'm the one, right? They don't want down there. I want to hear why first I and then, okay, I'm just saying we got to communicate. I guess that's,
Marine4America (03:51:01): Was it this how to get someone out of the Trump cult? Was that the one you wanted, Pam?
PamHemphill79 (03:51:07): Yeah, it's very good.
Marine4America (03:51:09): Okay.
PamHemphill79 (03:51:13): Okay. We're going to start this video. Did you need to say something pocket real quick? We're going to start this.
PocketSandy (03:51:19): Yeah, they put the dog down, took her back out to the farm.
PamHemphill79 (03:51:29): Okay, tell me what you think of this. Let's listen to this. You guys. Alright? Hi Spider Mike, you enjoy this?
SpiderMike (03:51:38): Hello everyone.
Marine4America (03:51:39): Hey, hey. This isn't even two minutes long. Here we go.
PamHemphill79 (03:51:42): How does Snap
Recording (03:51:42): People
Marine4America (03:51:44): Volume backup up? Hang on, come on tv. I don't know this guy, but let's listen.
Recording (03:51:53): How does Snap people out of the Trump cult? There's a psychological way to do that, but it's not what you think. Researchers and counselors that help people leave cults have spent 50 years trying to answer one question. What actually works to get someone out of a cult? Facts don't work. Arguments do not work. Evidence doesn't work. Cutting them off doesn't work. Every single one of those approaches confirms exactly what the cult told them. The outsiders are hostile that the people who love them are the enemy that the only safe places inside the cult. Psychologists, Steven Hassan spent 40 years studying counseling that helped people leave cults after escaping a cult himself. And he found that the only thing that consistently moves people towards the exit is a relationship that stays open. Not agreeing with them, not approving their ideas or relationship that stays open. That's it. You don't argue with them. You ask questions like these. Has Trump ever said something that surprised you or made you uncomfortable? What would it take for you to change your mind about Trump? Is there anything? Do you ever have a moment where you wonder if any of this is working? You're not trying to win, you're trying to keep a door open that the cult is working every single day to keep closed on you. Because most people who leave a cult do not leave because someone proved them wrong. They leave because reality collides with the false promises. The tariffs hit their wallet, their healthcare gets cut. The winning that was promised never comes. And when the moment arrives, they need someone on the outside, they still trust enough to walk towards. If you burn that relationship trying to be right, they have nowhere to go. You cannot argue someone out of a cult, but you can be there when it falls apart. I've put together a free PDF of anti cult questions below this video in the comments. Hopefully this helps you start the conversation.
PamHemphill79 (03:53:39): Steven Hansen that he mentioned is we'll be here Monday and that's what he's going to talk to. I invite all the people on the right to please come in and you've got to be respectful. You'll be down one second, but it's really going to be a privilege to have him here. I appreciate him coming. So I will be asking you to be respectful, but bring your questions, argue with him. Say, I'm not in a cult. I got to learn from him too. And see, you're on the right track. You're on the right track.
Marine4America (03:54:16): And that that's kind of in line with how I've shifted my relationship with my coworker, where it's like, okay, I'm not going to be attacking her. I want to still work with her. I don't want work to be hell. So I keep the work relationship open and I engage in the little ways that I can. And it sucks because it feels like I'm the one controlling the entire relationship. She'll never grant the grace that I grant her, but it is what it is. And she's not as attached to it as I am to something like January 6th. And I can respect that too. So it's like at the end of the day, we just want work to work and I don't need to say anything because like I said, the tariffs hit us directly and when she side eyes, I'm like, yeah, no shit. And I know she gets it, so I don't need to dunk on her or anything.
PamHemphill79 (03:55:11): I wanted to hear from Spider. I can think we'll go to Pocket.Marine4America (03:55:15): And I also saw Mayflower up, so we'll get her too. Hey, spider or Mike? Either one.
SpiderMike (03:55:24): Hey everyone. What do you want to know, Pam? No, I just came in to hear what you're all talking about and that's about it. Been dealing with some of my problems from my motorcycle accidents this week has been migraines, so it's been pretty bad, but I'm just hanging back.PamHemphill79 (03:55:51): Remember to breathe, it's lack of oxygen. We have anxiety and we don't even know we're not breathing, and that causes pressure on the blood. So you've got to do that. Stop and breathe. They say that's why smokers smoke when they breathe. It sounds crazy, but we're talking about they're dismissing all the J six evictions. It never happened to all the Proud boys in the Oath Keepers.
SpiderMike (03:56:18): I didn't know that. So for the last few days, I haven't really been paying attention much to the news. My migraines are from my concussions that I got from both motorcycle accidents, and so I get swelling in the frontal cortal or cortex, whatever it is. My doctor has explained it to me probably a hundred times, but I still don't get it. So yeah, it just feels like somebody dumps a bunch of razor blades behind my eyeballs and then shakes my head. So
I'mPamHemphill79 (03:56:56): So sorry.
SpiderMike (03:57:00): That's my type of migraine. So sometimes it's really debilitating. It'll knock me to my knees. So I've just been taking it easy, taking my meds and hydrating. Yeah. But yeah, I saw that you were up here and so I just wanted to come in and listen to what you all have to say. This is pretty interesting.
PamHemphill79 (03:57:26): Well, we love that you're here. I love you.
SpiderMike (03:57:31): Love you too. Perry,
Marine4America (03:57:36): Any thoughts in particular? I always appreciate you coming in and saying your piece. I know you're personally involved and it's your city.
SpiderMike (03:57:49): Yeah, not much. I mean, Saturday was a lot of fun. I had a lot of fun. I was pain free Saturday, which was very nice. But like I said, these last few days, my mind has just been, it's been really bad. And so I don't know what to say right now, but that's
SpiderMike (03:58:16): Okay.
SpiderMike (03:58:17): Speaking with my doctor, she wants me to take some time off. And I'm kind of thinking I might do that for just a little bit and maybe just kind of look forward to Mayday, or excuse me, the larger protests. Maybe this weekend take a break and maybe next weekend take a break. But she says she doesn't think that that's causing it, but it's just when my problems with my brain start messing with me, she'd rather me not possibly be exposed to some of the munitions or just the extra excitement, I guess.PamHemphill79 (03:59:02): Oh, I understand that. But I think Black Ripple said he's coming with his friends, so whatever.
Marine4America (03:59:13): I don't trust
PamHemphill79 (03:59:13): The word they say when they say we canceled. Yeah. Give a group
Marine4America (03:59:17): Who the hell knows what that crap. But I was saying to a few people, it may even be the move because a lot of the national conversation right now is how much mega is fucking themselves up. And it's like, I don't know. I just want to say give them the space to do that, but I always respect your right to do to protest as well. So
SpiderMike (03:59:45): No, you're so right, Marine. I mean, I've been saying it for a long time that it's going to end and they're going to start jumping ship. I truly believe that a lot of the MAGA of a year and a half ago, two years ago, they're not dumb. They're smart people. And they'll see through this, I mean, just right now what's happening is just really with his posts and what's going on over there in Iran, and I mean blocking a blockade, that doesn't make any sense blocking a blockade, but that's his mindset right now. And I think a lot of people are, they're finally seeing that. Yes, he does lie. He lies to them. I mean, I remember a year and a half ago, it was like promises made, promises kept, and it's like I don't think he's kept one promise that he had on his campaign. Not one. In fact, he's done the total 180.
PamHemphill79 (04:00:56): Oh, the immigrant. They're looking at the immigrants though.
SpiderMike (04:01:00): Oh, okay, okay, okay.
PamHemphill79 (04:01:05): Yeah.
Marine4America (04:01:07): But yeah, they are fucking fucking themselves up. So was it Pocket Sandy then? Mayflower? I think so. With Pocket Sandy then Mayflower.
SpiderMike (04:01:23): Hi Sandy.
PocketSandy (04:01:25): Hey Spider. Mike, you should reach out to me. I, I need help. I need help. Just somebody to protect me for the next few visits. And then I'm probably going back to Minnesota. I don't think you were here to hear the whole fucking explanation of what happened, but it's worse than what anybody fucking knows. But the recording that we played there, I agree with a lot of it and a lot of that I'm doing, I don't pick yelling, you're a fascist or whatever, even if I maybe believe it, I really want to help them grow. And this is different than this mission that I've done all over the country. I usually, I do this to somebody in some fucking shit hole bar. And then I just get in my car and leave and I never get to talk to 'em again. So this is a little different. So I get to talk to him over and over again over a long period of time. So I'm learning the ropes on that. But yeah, I do question and we can talk more in private Spiderman, but I do question why you were right next to me for it. And then you kind of saw it happening and it was like, I think out of anybody, you were probably one that could have put a stop to it, just your presence. And I don't know why there really wasn't enough to stop it. So feel free to answer here in private or whatever. But I do need people to help me just get through this next bit before I maybe jet out out of this whole fucking madhouse. But goodness, there was a couple other points I was going to make. I don't fucking know. My mind has slipped lately. I'm struggling. My disability has been really fucking bad. That death march they did to me when I could barely stand. I'm like, I'm disabled. I just need to collect myself fucking what the fuckSpiderMike (04:03:21): Can imagine. Well, that's why Sandy, when I saw You being attacked, they were surrounding you and everyone was yelling at you. I had no idea what was going on. Nothing. I walked over there blind because I was thinking, what are they doing? And so I had a bunch of people in black block, I don't know who they were. They were approaching me and saying that you had said some stuff online that you had agreed that it was okay for Shane to draw his weapon and that you were reaching for a big knife on the right side of your body. And I'm like, what? Like I said, I didn't know what the heck, but I was just like, okay, this is not, to me, it was like, this isn't Sandy. So that's why I came over and stood by you because, and I had my hand on you for a bit. I don't know why they're doing this. I don't know why they're getting violent at why they were screaming at you. But I was just like, I didn't want you to get hurt. And so that's why I walked with you with your bike. And I think I mentioned to you a couple of times, let's just go ahead and walk away. Just walk away. Because there was what, 30 against you? I was just like, and still I'm puzzled. I don't know the whole story. That's why I was there. I didn't want to see you get hurt. I mentioned to some of the people that I was with, I said, do they not know that? Put in consideration that you do have brain trauma. And that's what I'm dealing with right now this week is my brain trauma. And so that's why I was trying to plead to them. But the people in black block, boy, they were attacking me. Well, not physically or verbally even. I mean, they were just screaming at me that you basically had said this and that you were going to do that. And in my mind, I'm thinking, that's not Sandy. So that's why I walked with you. And then I think you came back. I think you went around the block and you came back and did they attack you again?
PocketSandy (04:05:47): Yeah. So they attacked me three times. And I do need to rewatch some of the video. I think a couple of people were trying to help a little bit. So I appreciate that. The things that they were saying. So I guess first off, when this touches on my disability and why they're fucking off for me, I've had a lot of success talking Shane down from really dangerous situations in the past a lot. But that night I collapsed on the sidewalk. I couldn't stand, I couldn't walk. I could barely think the whole world was spinning. I was fucking trashed. And I recovered. I recovered enough to get back over there at the end of it, after the gun, shit was over. And I was just trying to figure out what happened. And I tried with everybody and then Mag were the only ones there, and I was just trying to figure out what the fuck happened. And in the moment I was like, this is maybe not going to go well for me. Then I talk to you guys and not the other ones. And I think there's this idea that I signed off and everything and I just certainly the fuck did not. I just didn't know what the fuck happened. And I've never signed off on him. And I think a lot of people have heard what I think on it. I've been trying to deal with this in different ways than a lot of other people. But yeah, the knife thing that's real, they were putting hands on me. It was a gang of people. And I was scared, and I think I will say this, that just about every gun owner out there would've shot them. And they won the fucking lottery. They won the fucking lottery. I honestly thought when he ran up on me and reached something out of his hand and put it up to the side of my head, I thought it was already dead at that point. I thought it was. So they were threatening to kill me. They were threatening to shoot me. He kept on trying to pull something out of his jacket and pointing it like a little point in his jacket, pointing at me. So he was saying, I'm going to shoot you.
SpiderMike (04:08:04): And this was someone in black block?
PocketSandy (04:08:06): Yeah. Yeah.
SpiderMike (04:08:08): See, man, I don't know any of them. That's the thing. I can't tell them apart. Yeah, I haven't taken the time to ask them to come sit down and talk with me. They usually, they'll show up and then they disperse and get away, or they got their own thing going. I mean, I'm there flying my flag cussing at this person and MAGA and ice agents. But yeah. So you said you're possibly going to go back to Minneapolis, Minnesota. Do you still have family back there?
PocketSandy (04:08:43): I got family back there. I got friends. I got leftist through the polar opposite and leftist here too.
SpiderMike (04:08:50): Okay. Okay.
PocketSandy (04:08:51): I think one of my missions is to go back there and be with my people. Strategize. How do I talk to people here? How do I get through? How do I get understood? How do I cope with this? I've got a few friends that moved out west here and then came back home. And when I left, they all said, everybody always comes back. I won't be gone forever, but I need to take care of some court shit. I need to get some property back. Some of it from the fucking government. They
SpiderMike (04:09:28): Still have your bike, right? Isn't that right?
PocketSandy (04:09:31): Okay. That's the wild thing. I want to touch on this. They wanted to force me out of there, said I'm not welcome. Kept on invoking the memorial. Renee Good was my fucking neighbor. And I kneeled down there and I pay respects to her and Alex pretty, and he died somewhere that I would sit in just the right chair to stare out where he died. And over last summer, I Summer I went back there. I went to all my old hunts and I sat there in that chair and I looked at where he died. And they want to, do they know any of those fucking names there? Do they know any of those fucking names? Do they know that she was my neighbor that this was my fucking city and this was my people. They lost the plot so fucking much. So, fucking much like out of all people there, does any fucking buddy that come down there know any of those fucking names? Does anybody kneel there knowing that this happened in their neighborhood on their street?
Marine4America (04:10:37): Sandy? The answer,
PocketSandy (04:10:39): It's absolutely fucking insane. What's happening
Marine4America (04:10:42): About getting your voice out? It's not just the answer is arts create things, put your passion into something. I think, like you said, even if it's the form of a video that you're directing something, I think that can you put the fuel into something like that and you show your perspective in a way that people can really see.
PocketSandy (04:11:07): Yeah, yeah. I've got a lot of video from this whole thing and I don't post things because I want to keep people alive and keep my own safety and other people's safety, but it all will come out and I should have released more. And that's what I'm going to shift into once I kind of just get things settled here enough, I'm coming back for a minute and then I'm going to go back home. I'm going to get out of my apartment. It's not safe here anymore. I'm not safe at home anymore and I won't be safe until I move out of here. And then I think I just need to reset. I'm going to go back home. I don't really want to be there forever, but I will see how the court goes. I had a bunch of very, very, very terrible things happen to me there that I didn't fight because I was terrified that I'd be killed if I stayed there and I had to stay there to fight it. And I accepted some shit that I didn't want to, but they said that I had to be in the state to fight it, so I left and it is what it is, but there's no criminal charges. I don't know how much I'm wearing to speak on it, but guess. Yeah, don't
Marine4America (04:12:13): Worry about it. Just recharge and keep connecting with people who can help you.
SpiderMike (04:12:19): Yeah, that would be my advice too. Yeah, go be with friends and family and like I said, I don't know the whole story here, but man, from what I get, you're getting attacked from both sides and I hate that because I mean you've always been really cool with, you've always been cool with me. Always.
Marine4America (04:12:39): And that's the problem with everybody grouping the left together and that's what, it's been insane, but we do have to go to Mayflower. She's been patient again.
SpiderMike (04:12:47): Yeah. Yeah, Oh, okay. Well same scenario, but I guess 2 cents for Sandy. I guess in my opinion, I would caution you on the words you use because even just now you said that the left you see in Portland is polar opposite of the left you're seeing in Minneapolis. And I would say that's not true. It's different cultures. The ideology is very similar, but they're different cultures. I'm on the east coast, our culture out here is different from Minneapolis and it's different from Portland. Are we all lets, yeah, I think so. So I would just caution you on the words that you're using so that you can connect better with people because when you say, oh, we're polar opposites, well you already pushed them away. So that's just my 2 cents. But the comment I actually raised my hand for was going back to the whole cult thing, which, sorry, I keep missing the conversations, but okay, so I thought the video was very plain and helpful, but I think it's important to start with the definition and the minute you say the word cult, the the term is connected with significant stigma. So whenever you say the word cult, at least in the United States, people automatically, oh, I'm not part of a cult. I'm not part of a cult. It's got a bad stigma to it. That's what stigma is, but it's important. Okay. So if everybody tries as hard as they can, I'll use examples from both sides to get away from the stigma and understand what is a cult. So it's a group of people with an, and they use the term like intense devotion or an intense bond or I would even offer up loyalty, an intense something that's bringing you to this group and whether that group can be based off different things. It could be based off a person, so like Jim Jones or David Koresh or dare I say Trump, it could be a person, but it could also be an ideology. So if you take, I always struggle a little bit with how to define this, but I would call it maybe a militant anti-fascist group. Some people would call it anarchy. But when you get into the definition and understanding the group anarchy, I worry a little bit, but most people would identify anarchy or a militant antifascist group. You could
PamHemphill79 (04:15:30): See that rubber bandy.
PocketSandy (03:51:19): Yeah, they put the dog down, took her back out to the farm.
PamHemphill79 (03:51:29): Okay, tell me what you think of this. Let's listen to this. You guys. Alright? Hi Spider Mike, you enjoy this?
SpiderMike (03:51:38): Hello everyone.
Marine4America (03:51:39): Hey, hey. This isn't even two minutes long. Here we go.
PamHemphill79 (03:51:42): How does Snap
Recording (03:51:42): People
Marine4America (03:51:44): Volume backup up? Hang on, come on tv. I don't know this guy, but let's listen.
Recording (03:51:53): How does Snap people out of the Trump cult? There's a psychological way to do that, but it's not what you think. Researchers and counselors that help people leave cults have spent 50 years trying to answer one question. What actually works to get someone out of a cult? Facts don't work. Arguments do not work. Evidence doesn't work. Cutting them off doesn't work. Every single one of those approaches confirms exactly what the cult told them. The outsiders are hostile that the people who love them are the enemy that the only safe places inside the cult. Psychologists, Steven Hassan spent 40 years studying counseling that helped people leave cults after escaping a cult himself. And he found that the only thing that consistently moves people towards the exit is a relationship that stays open. Not agreeing with them, not approving their ideas or relationship that stays open. That's it. You don't argue with them. You ask questions like these. Has Trump ever said something that surprised you or made you uncomfortable? What would it take for you to change your mind about Trump? Is there anything? Do you ever have a moment where you wonder if any of this is working? You're not trying to win, you're trying to keep a door open that the cult is working every single day to keep closed on you. Because most people who leave a cult do not leave because someone proved them wrong. They leave because reality collides with the false promises. The tariffs hit their wallet, their healthcare gets cut. The winning that was promised never comes. And when the moment arrives, they need someone on the outside, they still trust enough to walk towards. If you burn that relationship trying to be right, they have nowhere to go. You cannot argue someone out of a cult, but you can be there when it falls apart. I've put together a free PDF of anti cult questions below this video in the comments. Hopefully this helps you start the conversation.
PamHemphill79 (03:53:39): Steven Hansen that he mentioned is we'll be here Monday and that's what he's going to talk to. I invite all the people on the right to please come in and you've got to be respectful. You'll be down one second, but it's really going to be a privilege to have him here. I appreciate him coming. So I will be asking you to be respectful, but bring your questions, argue with him. Say, I'm not in a cult. I got to learn from him too. And see, you're on the right track. You're on the right track.
Marine4America (03:54:16): And that that's kind of in line with how I've shifted my relationship with my coworker, where it's like, okay, I'm not going to be attacking her. I want to still work with her. I don't want work to be hell. So I keep the work relationship open and I engage in the little ways that I can. And it sucks because it feels like I'm the one controlling the entire relationship. She'll never grant the grace that I grant her, but it is what it is. And she's not as attached to it as I am to something like January 6th. And I can respect that too. So it's like at the end of the day, we just want work to work and I don't need to say anything because like I said, the tariffs hit us directly and when she side eyes, I'm like, yeah, no shit. And I know she gets it, so I don't need to dunk on her or anything.
PamHemphill79 (03:55:11): I wanted to hear from Spider. I can think we'll go to Pocket.Marine4America (03:55:15): And I also saw Mayflower up, so we'll get her too. Hey, spider or Mike? Either one.
SpiderMike (03:55:24): Hey everyone. What do you want to know, Pam? No, I just came in to hear what you're all talking about and that's about it. Been dealing with some of my problems from my motorcycle accidents this week has been migraines, so it's been pretty bad, but I'm just hanging back.PamHemphill79 (03:55:51): Remember to breathe, it's lack of oxygen. We have anxiety and we don't even know we're not breathing, and that causes pressure on the blood. So you've got to do that. Stop and breathe. They say that's why smokers smoke when they breathe. It sounds crazy, but we're talking about they're dismissing all the J six evictions. It never happened to all the Proud boys in the Oath Keepers.
SpiderMike (03:56:18): I didn't know that. So for the last few days, I haven't really been paying attention much to the news. My migraines are from my concussions that I got from both motorcycle accidents, and so I get swelling in the frontal cortal or cortex, whatever it is. My doctor has explained it to me probably a hundred times, but I still don't get it. So yeah, it just feels like somebody dumps a bunch of razor blades behind my eyeballs and then shakes my head. So
I'mPamHemphill79 (03:56:56): So sorry.
SpiderMike (03:57:00): That's my type of migraine. So sometimes it's really debilitating. It'll knock me to my knees. So I've just been taking it easy, taking my meds and hydrating. Yeah. But yeah, I saw that you were up here and so I just wanted to come in and listen to what you all have to say. This is pretty interesting.
PamHemphill79 (03:57:26): Well, we love that you're here. I love you.
SpiderMike (03:57:31): Love you too. Perry,
Marine4America (03:57:36): Any thoughts in particular? I always appreciate you coming in and saying your piece. I know you're personally involved and it's your city.
SpiderMike (03:57:49): Yeah, not much. I mean, Saturday was a lot of fun. I had a lot of fun. I was pain free Saturday, which was very nice. But like I said, these last few days, my mind has just been, it's been really bad. And so I don't know what to say right now, but that's
SpiderMike (03:58:16): Okay.
SpiderMike (03:58:17): Speaking with my doctor, she wants me to take some time off. And I'm kind of thinking I might do that for just a little bit and maybe just kind of look forward to Mayday, or excuse me, the larger protests. Maybe this weekend take a break and maybe next weekend take a break. But she says she doesn't think that that's causing it, but it's just when my problems with my brain start messing with me, she'd rather me not possibly be exposed to some of the munitions or just the extra excitement, I guess.PamHemphill79 (03:59:02): Oh, I understand that. But I think Black Ripple said he's coming with his friends, so whatever.
Marine4America (03:59:13): I don't trust
PamHemphill79 (03:59:13): The word they say when they say we canceled. Yeah. Give a group
Marine4America (03:59:17): Who the hell knows what that crap. But I was saying to a few people, it may even be the move because a lot of the national conversation right now is how much mega is fucking themselves up. And it's like, I don't know. I just want to say give them the space to do that, but I always respect your right to do to protest as well. So
SpiderMike (03:59:45): No, you're so right, Marine. I mean, I've been saying it for a long time that it's going to end and they're going to start jumping ship. I truly believe that a lot of the MAGA of a year and a half ago, two years ago, they're not dumb. They're smart people. And they'll see through this, I mean, just right now what's happening is just really with his posts and what's going on over there in Iran, and I mean blocking a blockade, that doesn't make any sense blocking a blockade, but that's his mindset right now. And I think a lot of people are, they're finally seeing that. Yes, he does lie. He lies to them. I mean, I remember a year and a half ago, it was like promises made, promises kept, and it's like I don't think he's kept one promise that he had on his campaign. Not one. In fact, he's done the total 180.
PamHemphill79 (04:00:56): Oh, the immigrant. They're looking at the immigrants though.
SpiderMike (04:01:00): Oh, okay, okay, okay.
PamHemphill79 (04:01:05): Yeah.
Marine4America (04:01:07): But yeah, they are fucking fucking themselves up. So was it Pocket Sandy then? Mayflower? I think so. With Pocket Sandy then Mayflower.
SpiderMike (04:01:23): Hi Sandy.
PocketSandy (04:01:25): Hey Spider. Mike, you should reach out to me. I, I need help. I need help. Just somebody to protect me for the next few visits. And then I'm probably going back to Minnesota. I don't think you were here to hear the whole fucking explanation of what happened, but it's worse than what anybody fucking knows. But the recording that we played there, I agree with a lot of it and a lot of that I'm doing, I don't pick yelling, you're a fascist or whatever, even if I maybe believe it, I really want to help them grow. And this is different than this mission that I've done all over the country. I usually, I do this to somebody in some fucking shit hole bar. And then I just get in my car and leave and I never get to talk to 'em again. So this is a little different. So I get to talk to him over and over again over a long period of time. So I'm learning the ropes on that. But yeah, I do question and we can talk more in private Spiderman, but I do question why you were right next to me for it. And then you kind of saw it happening and it was like, I think out of anybody, you were probably one that could have put a stop to it, just your presence. And I don't know why there really wasn't enough to stop it. So feel free to answer here in private or whatever. But I do need people to help me just get through this next bit before I maybe jet out out of this whole fucking madhouse. But goodness, there was a couple other points I was going to make. I don't fucking know. My mind has slipped lately. I'm struggling. My disability has been really fucking bad. That death march they did to me when I could barely stand. I'm like, I'm disabled. I just need to collect myself fucking what the fuckSpiderMike (04:03:21): Can imagine. Well, that's why Sandy, when I saw You being attacked, they were surrounding you and everyone was yelling at you. I had no idea what was going on. Nothing. I walked over there blind because I was thinking, what are they doing? And so I had a bunch of people in black block, I don't know who they were. They were approaching me and saying that you had said some stuff online that you had agreed that it was okay for Shane to draw his weapon and that you were reaching for a big knife on the right side of your body. And I'm like, what? Like I said, I didn't know what the heck, but I was just like, okay, this is not, to me, it was like, this isn't Sandy. So that's why I came over and stood by you because, and I had my hand on you for a bit. I don't know why they're doing this. I don't know why they're getting violent at why they were screaming at you. But I was just like, I didn't want you to get hurt. And so that's why I walked with you with your bike. And I think I mentioned to you a couple of times, let's just go ahead and walk away. Just walk away. Because there was what, 30 against you? I was just like, and still I'm puzzled. I don't know the whole story. That's why I was there. I didn't want to see you get hurt. I mentioned to some of the people that I was with, I said, do they not know that? Put in consideration that you do have brain trauma. And that's what I'm dealing with right now this week is my brain trauma. And so that's why I was trying to plead to them. But the people in black block, boy, they were attacking me. Well, not physically or verbally even. I mean, they were just screaming at me that you basically had said this and that you were going to do that. And in my mind, I'm thinking, that's not Sandy. So that's why I walked with you. And then I think you came back. I think you went around the block and you came back and did they attack you again?
PocketSandy (04:05:47): Yeah. So they attacked me three times. And I do need to rewatch some of the video. I think a couple of people were trying to help a little bit. So I appreciate that. The things that they were saying. So I guess first off, when this touches on my disability and why they're fucking off for me, I've had a lot of success talking Shane down from really dangerous situations in the past a lot. But that night I collapsed on the sidewalk. I couldn't stand, I couldn't walk. I could barely think the whole world was spinning. I was fucking trashed. And I recovered. I recovered enough to get back over there at the end of it, after the gun, shit was over. And I was just trying to figure out what happened. And I tried with everybody and then Mag were the only ones there, and I was just trying to figure out what the fuck happened. And in the moment I was like, this is maybe not going to go well for me. Then I talk to you guys and not the other ones. And I think there's this idea that I signed off and everything and I just certainly the fuck did not. I just didn't know what the fuck happened. And I've never signed off on him. And I think a lot of people have heard what I think on it. I've been trying to deal with this in different ways than a lot of other people. But yeah, the knife thing that's real, they were putting hands on me. It was a gang of people. And I was scared, and I think I will say this, that just about every gun owner out there would've shot them. And they won the fucking lottery. They won the fucking lottery. I honestly thought when he ran up on me and reached something out of his hand and put it up to the side of my head, I thought it was already dead at that point. I thought it was. So they were threatening to kill me. They were threatening to shoot me. He kept on trying to pull something out of his jacket and pointing it like a little point in his jacket, pointing at me. So he was saying, I'm going to shoot you.
SpiderMike (04:08:04): And this was someone in black block?
PocketSandy (04:08:06): Yeah. Yeah.
SpiderMike (04:08:08): See, man, I don't know any of them. That's the thing. I can't tell them apart. Yeah, I haven't taken the time to ask them to come sit down and talk with me. They usually, they'll show up and then they disperse and get away, or they got their own thing going. I mean, I'm there flying my flag cussing at this person and MAGA and ice agents. But yeah. So you said you're possibly going to go back to Minneapolis, Minnesota. Do you still have family back there?
PocketSandy (04:08:43): I got family back there. I got friends. I got leftist through the polar opposite and leftist here too.
SpiderMike (04:08:50): Okay. Okay.
PocketSandy (04:08:51): I think one of my missions is to go back there and be with my people. Strategize. How do I talk to people here? How do I get through? How do I get understood? How do I cope with this? I've got a few friends that moved out west here and then came back home. And when I left, they all said, everybody always comes back. I won't be gone forever, but I need to take care of some court shit. I need to get some property back. Some of it from the fucking government. They
SpiderMike (04:09:28): Still have your bike, right? Isn't that right?
PocketSandy (04:09:31): Okay. That's the wild thing. I want to touch on this. They wanted to force me out of there, said I'm not welcome. Kept on invoking the memorial. Renee Good was my fucking neighbor. And I kneeled down there and I pay respects to her and Alex pretty, and he died somewhere that I would sit in just the right chair to stare out where he died. And over last summer, I Summer I went back there. I went to all my old hunts and I sat there in that chair and I looked at where he died. And they want to, do they know any of those fucking names there? Do they know any of those fucking names? Do they know that she was my neighbor that this was my fucking city and this was my people. They lost the plot so fucking much. So, fucking much like out of all people there, does any fucking buddy that come down there know any of those fucking names? Does anybody kneel there knowing that this happened in their neighborhood on their street?
Marine4America (04:10:37): Sandy? The answer,
PocketSandy (04:10:39): It's absolutely fucking insane. What's happening
Marine4America (04:10:42): About getting your voice out? It's not just the answer is arts create things, put your passion into something. I think, like you said, even if it's the form of a video that you're directing something, I think that can you put the fuel into something like that and you show your perspective in a way that people can really see.
PocketSandy (04:11:07): Yeah, yeah. I've got a lot of video from this whole thing and I don't post things because I want to keep people alive and keep my own safety and other people's safety, but it all will come out and I should have released more. And that's what I'm going to shift into once I kind of just get things settled here enough, I'm coming back for a minute and then I'm going to go back home. I'm going to get out of my apartment. It's not safe here anymore. I'm not safe at home anymore and I won't be safe until I move out of here. And then I think I just need to reset. I'm going to go back home. I don't really want to be there forever, but I will see how the court goes. I had a bunch of very, very, very terrible things happen to me there that I didn't fight because I was terrified that I'd be killed if I stayed there and I had to stay there to fight it. And I accepted some shit that I didn't want to, but they said that I had to be in the state to fight it, so I left and it is what it is, but there's no criminal charges. I don't know how much I'm wearing to speak on it, but guess. Yeah, don't
Marine4America (04:12:13): Worry about it. Just recharge and keep connecting with people who can help you.
SpiderMike (04:12:19): Yeah, that would be my advice too. Yeah, go be with friends and family and like I said, I don't know the whole story here, but man, from what I get, you're getting attacked from both sides and I hate that because I mean you've always been really cool with, you've always been cool with me. Always.
Marine4America (04:12:39): And that's the problem with everybody grouping the left together and that's what, it's been insane, but we do have to go to Mayflower. She's been patient again.
SpiderMike (04:12:47): Yeah. Yeah, Oh, okay. Well same scenario, but I guess 2 cents for Sandy. I guess in my opinion, I would caution you on the words you use because even just now you said that the left you see in Portland is polar opposite of the left you're seeing in Minneapolis. And I would say that's not true. It's different cultures. The ideology is very similar, but they're different cultures. I'm on the east coast, our culture out here is different from Minneapolis and it's different from Portland. Are we all lets, yeah, I think so. So I would just caution you on the words that you're using so that you can connect better with people because when you say, oh, we're polar opposites, well you already pushed them away. So that's just my 2 cents. But the comment I actually raised my hand for was going back to the whole cult thing, which, sorry, I keep missing the conversations, but okay, so I thought the video was very plain and helpful, but I think it's important to start with the definition and the minute you say the word cult, the the term is connected with significant stigma. So whenever you say the word cult, at least in the United States, people automatically, oh, I'm not part of a cult. I'm not part of a cult. It's got a bad stigma to it. That's what stigma is, but it's important. Okay. So if everybody tries as hard as they can, I'll use examples from both sides to get away from the stigma and understand what is a cult. So it's a group of people with an, and they use the term like intense devotion or an intense bond or I would even offer up loyalty, an intense something that's bringing you to this group and whether that group can be based off different things. It could be based off a person, so like Jim Jones or David Koresh or dare I say Trump, it could be a person, but it could also be an ideology. So if you take, I always struggle a little bit with how to define this, but I would call it maybe a militant anti-fascist group. Some people would call it anarchy. But when you get into the definition and understanding the group anarchy, I worry a little bit, but most people would identify anarchy or a militant antifascist group. You could
PamHemphill79 (04:15:30): See that rubber bandy.
Mayflower (04:15:32): I'm sorry,
PamHemphill79 (04:15:36): It was like a rubber band.
Mayflower (04:15:40): Sorry. So if you take that ideology, so I'm giving an example now from the left. So if you take the ideology and you say, well, I'm a militant anti-fascist, and that's like I'm very intensely connected to this group of people. That could be an example. The other part of a cult is that the group tends, they push away the people on the outside. If you're not part of that group, you're part of the group or you're not kind of thing that mentality. So I think it's kind of important to understand the cult. It could happen on the left or the right. It's not a partisan thing. But the reason why I would support calling MAGA a cult is because it tends to revolve more around Trump. It doesn't tend to revolve around Republican values as they say. Which again, you have to caution that because parties switch the culture that they're aligned with. But nationalistic or Christian or if you want to bring up topics that tend to go in that category, Trump doesn't align with those things and many people on the right will agree with that. Yeah, he is not the most religious person. The whole thing with Epstein not awesome and they'll point out all these differences, but for a person in a cult, they tend to start to identify with the group. It becomes their identity. And when that happens to separate from the group is very painful. And that's when you get cognitive dissonance if you will. I'm going to stay in this group even though it goes against all these things that I believe in. I'm going to stay in this group because it's familiar, it's comfortable, this, it's got to be right. Who am I if I leave? And you have this tendency, and Mag is going through this right now, and again, this can happen on the left too. I'm not trying to be partisan here, but Trump has gone, he is shown you examples that cross against all the Republican values or even national values or even Christian values, not to align with a party because parties fluctuate with culture and if you align, but Christianity, it does fluctuate with culture, but some things are pretty consistent within different branches of Christianity. But then you start to see, okay, Trump is all over the place. This is not aligning. Am I really just attached to the person because is he really standing up for those values? And Mag is understanding and they're questioning this, but I agree with the video, it is a painful experience and to ignore that it's not very human to ignore that either to the difficulty in leaving that situation. So having that open conversation in mind and remembering humanity in it is pretty important. So I think I tried to sum that up well
PocketSandy (04:18:56): Real quick here because when I address somebody and they respond, that's the right way to do it and I know I'll play by different rules and I addressed Mike and then he responded and then we moved on. I would beg that I get to play by the same rules as everybody else. Mayflower addressed me and then moved on and how this usually plays out is they'll say a lot of things and then we just move into what they said. So I don't think that's fair and I'm going to push back no matter what you say to me.
Mayflower (04:19:27): No, sorry.
PocketSandy (04:19:28): No, that's not necessarily your fault. I mean I don't
Mayflower (04:19:31): Know. No, it's happening to me too. It just is the imperfection of the space. But go ahead.
PocketSandy (04:19:37): Right. Giving some of the respect to respond to something takes my voice, but I don't get that when somebody addresses me, I'm frustrated. I'm going to be frustrated a lot of shit and I think you're hearing some of that. I'm covered head to toe and bruises. I couldn't walk on Sunday so anybody would be angry and frustrated. I would be, please don't fucking interrupt me to answer this, but I'd be curious to know if you've been to either fucking city to know anything about this thing that I said about their polar opposites. There's really good things that PNW leftists have that Minneapolis doesn't have. There's really good things that Minneapolis has the p and w does not have. They are very fucking different. And if you don't know, you don't know. And I can be frustrated at a number of dynamics that are not in existence in Minneapolis, and I say this all the time, that there was an autonomous zone in Seattle where leftists walked around and policed everybody's fucking actions, their speech, whatever they did to assemble, they became cops while they hated cops and then they shot everybody and it got shot down. The autonomous zone in Minneapolis is there two day, it is always going to be there forever in perpetuity like Stonewall. It is different. We came together and supported the city in a way that would never in a million years fucking happen here. Never. You cannot convince me that it was a massive community effort. There was people being the traffic lights when the city turned that off. There was people being hospice care when their hospice care wasn't coming. We were getting groceries. We had these huge assemblies of resources where people were being helped. It was a whole fucking different beast and me and my biases and the more I learned, the more that might change. But in my biases, I think that is a thousand times more powerful. Personally, I think it's a thousand times more powerful, but I am learning, I am imperfect and I think part of that learning is going back to Minnesota, be reminded of where I came from and then bring our ideas together on both sides. But I will be frustrated. Get ready for that. I'm going to try my best to say the right fucking words, but I'm making mistakes and it's difficult. It's a difficult time in my life and I will be making difficult mistakes too. I'm trying my best, but I would be interested to know if you've been to either city.
Mayflower (04:22:17): Yeah, so I think we're saying similar things. I'm just trying to explain to you, so when you say polar opposite, for example, one would say, okay, north pole, south pole, polar opposites. But I agree with you, they are very different, but they're not polar opposites. That's what I'm saying. Everything else I agree with, they are very different. It is very different here I'm in Vermont, it's very different here. Now have I been to the other cities? No, I haven't. I'll be honest with you, but I've never been to Iran either. I can tell you the culture in Iran is very different than it is here or other places you can learn about things without having been there. But I agree with everything you're saying. It is very different. It's just not polar opposite. So push them so far away that they can't connect.
PocketSandy (04:23:07): I'm trying to be better at that too. But you can't, you cannot know what happened without me.
Mayflower (04:23:14): I never said I did know. Never said that. No, never said that.
PocketSandy (04:23:17): A no.
Mayflower (04:23:18): I'm saying is has
PocketSandy (04:23:20): You made a claim that you,
Mayflower (04:23:21): All I'm saying is that the words you say matter understanding and the words do push people I interrupting
PocketSandy (04:23:26): Me, they do matter and I think you just totally ignored what I just said but I'm, I didn't, I'm trying to get better at that. Well, why did I have to say it again? Fuck,
Mayflower (04:23:38): You didn't have to say it again.
PocketSandy (04:23:39): Jesus fucking Christ.
Mayflower (04:23:40): Alright
PocketSandy (04:23:40): Guys.
Marine4America (04:23:40): Alright, we got to
Mayflower (04:23:42): Pam has, I agree with everything I was
PocketSandy (04:23:45): What
Mayflower (04:23:45): You're
PocketSandy (04:23:45): Saying
Mayflower (04:23:46): ThePocketSandy (04:23:46): Fuck.Mayflower (04:23:47): I'm not disagreeing with you.
PocketSandy (04:23:48): Okay.
Mayflower (04:23:49): I was just But
PocketSandy (04:23:49): Don't interrupt me then. It sounds like you are.
Mayflower (04:23:52): No, I'm trying to have a conversation.
PocketSandy (04:23:54): No, you don't have a conversation by talking over somebody. You just don't. That's not how it works.
Mayflower (04:24:00): Okay.
PocketSandy (04:24:00): I will be frustrated, especially when this is, is what's happening, but I want to try and treat you with kindness the best I can, but I will be frustrated at shit and I do not think that fully what happened after George Floyd was murdered and Minneapolis? I know nobody does. There's so much of that story nobody fucking knows. I tried to help a woman from being kidnapped and she was dead the next morning. The boogaloo boy copycat motherfuckers were the ones burning shit down. They were coming to another city to fuck up somebody else's backyard, so that way leftists looked like they're monsters. Cadillac pond fucking owner was shooting into a crowd and killing people and then the police came and stole the fucking video and destroyed it so that way he wouldn't get convicted.
Marine4America (04:24:55): I
PocketSandy (04:24:55): Understand.
Marine4America (04:24:56): Story
PocketSandy (04:24:57): Is, I'm sorry.
Marine4America (04:24:59): That's okay.
PocketSandy (04:25:00): They are different and if you want to tone police me on the word polar, whatever, but they are very different. Whatever words you would rather me say, they are very different and we're going to agree on that and on so many issues it is polar fucking opposite. So I'll specify better on that, but they are very different. Very different.
Marine4America (04:25:22): I just want to say I also had a disagreement with what my flower said in the beginning, but it was kind of over a nitpicky thing about generalizing Antifa with this cult thing. But I listened to it and I'm like, you know what? Even my disagreement, it's kind of like nitpicky and I don't really care enough, so it's no big deal. Pam, go ahead.
PamHemphill79 (04:25:42): Interesting. This is just my thoughts about protests. I was in one right January 6th. That wasn't a protest. I didn't want to be involved in another one like that ever. However, you have to decide your part, they're people that bring water pizza. There are people that throw ding dongs live and leave people alone. Just decide what you're there for. What's your motive? You got to check your motive. We're there to protest by and trump and what's happening. That's all. And document as much as we can what they're doing. I think I lost my thoughts.
Marine4America (04:26:41): Yeah, I'm pretty getting pretty.
PamHemphill79 (04:26:44): I'm not going to change anybody. Yeah, I'm not going to change anybody. We're not going to change anybody.
Mayflower (04:26:49): If I can just say so pocket Sandy, I'm sorry. I think my intention didn't come off. My intention was not to be nitpicky. You had asked people for advice on what you can do to help communicate better. I was trying to give you, in my opinion, a little bit of advice and just trying to be careful of divisive or excluding language that can make it hard for people to connect everything else. I agree with you. I never said that I was in Minneapolis. I never said that I was there with George Floyd. I can't even say I understand that I wasn't there, but can I empathize with it? Oh yeah, I can empathize with it and I'm agreeing with you. They are very different. They're culturally very different. My caution was just on the divisiveness and if that's nitpicky fine, I wasn't intending to be nitpicky. I was actually trying to give you a little bit of advice because you asked for it. If you hadn't have asked for it, I wouldn't have said anything.
PocketSandy (04:27:50): Yeah, I appreciate that and I appreciate you sort of explaining your side. I took it away and I'm frustrated and like I said, I'm going to make a lot of mistakes, but I don't necessarily like the way you said it, but I like the way you landed it in the end and clarified what your intent was. I need to take this advice on all sides right now because it might be my survival and I can tell you, I can admit that I am lashing out too much on the left. I've been doing it for a little bit because of the behavior that I have been feeling and the type of language I use is increasingly more divisive When Crow feather keeps on saying that I'm bringing MAGA over to us and it's something we keep revisiting over and over and over again and some people on our side say, Hey Sandy, can you try to get him to leave? I've had success with that and I don't bring 'em there. Tommy's gone. That's why they're there. Tommy's gone and people are mad at me for anything that goes wrong around there and I think anybody would be angry and I think most people would act a lot fucking crazier than me. I'm not going to fucking lie. I'm not a superhuman and I'm already saying shit that might bring me trouble against the left and the right and this fucking chat and who knows if I die because I spoke. So that's where I'm at. I'm trying to get better and it is good advice. It is good advice and that's probably why I need to take a step back too because I'm just sort of just lashing out at everybody at this point. I'm just fucking not having a good time. I'm not safe. I'm getting attacked from all sides and I'm just fucking lashing out and it is not helping me one bit and I wish people could handle somebody calling out bad behavior and be okay with it, but I can tell you what you can in Minneapolis
Marine4America (04:29:47): And Mayflower. I didn't mean to, sorry for using that language with nitpicky. I was also just kind of, I realized that was something I was definitely about to do and I felt like maybe sharing it in that direct sense might help move things along. I think there was a connection there that could have been made, so I didn't want that to pass out.
Mayflower (04:30:08): No, sorry. I do tend to interrupt sometimes. I do have some A DH adhd, but I try to be very structured in my responses so that I can kind of overcome that. But no, I don't take this personal, I'm not there. So you can lash out and you have every right to be frustrated and lash out and be defensive and I don't take it personal. This is not aimed towards me. It is nothing personal to me. You don't have to worry about that. I was just trying to say I could see how to other people though,
Marine4America (04:30:41): The
Mayflower (04:30:42): Way you open the conversation being cautious and how you open it and how you're speaking so that you don't automatically exclude people and stuff like that.
Marine4America (04:30:51): I'm obvious too.
PocketSandy (04:30:52): That's true. That's true. And to me in the moment, agree with it or not. It felt like more of a declaration than an advice sort of statement, but you did bring it back over to the advice angle to it in the moment. I was saying the thing you were trying to tell me and I don't think it was heard and it made me more frustrated. It made me lash out a little bit, but I am a strong voice. I always have been. I'm not afraid to speak a lot of times, but I am now. I am afraid to speak now I've been given instructions to not come to these places or die.
Marine4America (04:31:29): The ex spaces. I mean my actual X name is delete X now. I believe this is toxic.
PocketSandy (04:31:39): Oh yeah. I want to tell everybody for everybody's safety on X, Elon and his fucking infinite wisdom, he gave API access to everybody on the planet. ISIS can pull your private chats, They can pull whatever name you put in when you registered your account. I could do it if I fucking wanted to. I got too much shit on my plate, but I applied for it and I got it in 10 minutes. Filling out a form. This is something you usually fly out to the company and you have a meeting with the big wigs and have PowerPoint and all that shit involved, but on X you can be ISIS sitting in a fucking desert somewhere in a cave and fucking get API access and pull your fucking name and your birthdate.
Marine4America (04:32:19): Okay?
PamHemphill79 (04:32:23): I'm sure Martin Luther King and John Lewis, we look at 'em as leaders. You probably could say that and agree with that, right? However, they hadn't have control over people and Malcolm X, they both had different ways and tactics, right? And both were right. You could say both were wrong, whatever, they got arrested. But look what was behind that. We're putting a light on the law that should not be a law. I should not be arresting people that are going against their forced amendment rights. You know how they're arresting them all. You guys know what they're doing. That's what we focus on, not what people's doing down there in Portland. Ice building. It doesn't matter. That's up to the police. If somebody's breaking the law, it's not on me. It's not on you. Just be there to show that you're supporting going up against fascism. It's that simple. I'm not there to save anybody. I know my motive. I know why I'm there. That's all that matters for me. If my motive is wrong, I need to check myself and go somewhere else and I will. If that ever happens, but I know my motive's good. You could only be a role model. You decide what you're going to be. That's up to you. You pay the consequences, whatever that's going to be. Alls I know is I go at home at the end of the night at Portland and I feel good. I feel like I've brought any trouble. I'm not trying to make trouble. I know that if I have, I need to go back and make amends the next day, right? Say, Hey, I shouldn't have said that. And I have, I've called him the F word. I get so mad at him. I said, I shouldn't be calling you the F word. I'm just getting upset because you guys are coming around here starting trouble. This is me off. Just try to get along, leave people alone. It's our first amendment and there's a list of things that counter protest or cannot be doing to people that are protesting, but they're doing it. It's frustrating, but I can't control it. I can't control anything. I have no control, which is good somehow. A lot of us are character defects get in the way and we think I'm going to go control this thing. I'm going to tell everybody how to act and what they should do and not do. I'm sure I'm glad that Martin Luther King didn't do that. They went by what he was doing and John Lewis, and don't forget when they poured hot coffee over his head, he prayed for these people. So mega, maybe that's what you should be doing, is praying for these people because you talk about your Bible and your Christianity, right? Instead of yelling at 'em, me or accusing them or yelling, I'm talking to mega right now.
PocketSandy (04:35:13): Oh, sorry.
PamHemphill79 (04:35:16): Practice what you preach and then we'll listen to you anyway. I'll
Marine4America (04:35:20): The deep mega,
PamHemphill79 (04:35:21): I'm getting a migraine too
Marine4America (04:35:24): And see, Patriot your back. How you doing, man?
PamHemphill79 (04:35:29): Check your motives.
NCPatriot (04:35:30): Well, I'm, I'm going to try to go
PamHemphill79 (04:35:34): Just check your motives and make sure they're right.
PocketSandy (04:35:41): Yeah, no, they are. I'm just misunderstood. But I also do need to get the fuck out of there soon and I need to be careful. So I'm a broken person. My heart is broken. I'm fucked and I don't get to do what I did and I don't get to apologize and it be accepted with anybody. It doesn't work. I don't get to make it right. I try to talk to court crow feather. It is not accessible to me. I have to play by different rules and it's not winnable. I can't do what I did anymore. It's not possible. And it was taken from me and I'm hurt. It was taken from me. And that hurt might get better if I put the right content out that I probably should have put out to keep this whole mess from happening to me. But I got to do what I got to do. And I think a lot of the answers are going to be, the questions are going to be answered and the people are really thirsty for their fucking precious receipts are going to get their fucking precious receipts. And it is what it is. I regret not releasing more of it. When I get a huge campaign against me, I get overwhelmed. I don't really feel like any of y'all fucking deserve the answers when it comes to that level.
PamHemphill79 (04:36:57): Well, all was, I could say try to deal with, I've dealt with for three years, dear. Come on, give me a break. I got to say this to you. I got to confront you a little bit here. I mean, I've got the phone calls. We're sitting outside your doors. I've got shit sent to me. I have death threat after death threat. They called my PO when I was on probation and tried to get me in trouble and lie. I've had so much I've had to go through accusing me and smearing me and lying about me. But you know what? It's not the same. You know what I know what I'm doing is right. That's all I know. You're
Marine4America (04:37:32): Saying hang in there Sandy.
PamHemphill79 (04:37:34): Yeah,
PocketSandy (04:37:35): No, I tossed it out too, Pam, but it's past that. Now. I
PamHemphill79 (04:37:38): Can't worry about what people do and say I'm not in control. I'm not in control of other people
Marine4America (04:37:43): Hang in there. But
PocketSandy (04:37:44): What if I die because of what I say.
PamHemphill79 (04:37:46): Well, me too. What if they kill me? What if nobody
PocketSandy (04:37:49): Hear because of where it's at?
PamHemphill79 (04:37:51): I'm not going to stop people.
PocketSandy (04:37:52): I'm not controlling nobody. I'm not trying to control somebody. And you keep saying that to me and I'm not. I'm trying to help people make the right decisions on their own.
PamHemphill79 (04:38:00): Sometimes my helping is not helping. I realize that too for myself.
PocketSandy (04:38:04): Well, that's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. I can't help anymore.
PamHemphill79 (04:38:06): Is my helping, really helping
PamHemphill79 (04:15:36): It was like a rubber band.
Mayflower (04:15:40): Sorry. So if you take that ideology, so I'm giving an example now from the left. So if you take the ideology and you say, well, I'm a militant anti-fascist, and that's like I'm very intensely connected to this group of people. That could be an example. The other part of a cult is that the group tends, they push away the people on the outside. If you're not part of that group, you're part of the group or you're not kind of thing that mentality. So I think it's kind of important to understand the cult. It could happen on the left or the right. It's not a partisan thing. But the reason why I would support calling MAGA a cult is because it tends to revolve more around Trump. It doesn't tend to revolve around Republican values as they say. Which again, you have to caution that because parties switch the culture that they're aligned with. But nationalistic or Christian or if you want to bring up topics that tend to go in that category, Trump doesn't align with those things and many people on the right will agree with that. Yeah, he is not the most religious person. The whole thing with Epstein not awesome and they'll point out all these differences, but for a person in a cult, they tend to start to identify with the group. It becomes their identity. And when that happens to separate from the group is very painful. And that's when you get cognitive dissonance if you will. I'm going to stay in this group even though it goes against all these things that I believe in. I'm going to stay in this group because it's familiar, it's comfortable, this, it's got to be right. Who am I if I leave? And you have this tendency, and Mag is going through this right now, and again, this can happen on the left too. I'm not trying to be partisan here, but Trump has gone, he is shown you examples that cross against all the Republican values or even national values or even Christian values, not to align with a party because parties fluctuate with culture and if you align, but Christianity, it does fluctuate with culture, but some things are pretty consistent within different branches of Christianity. But then you start to see, okay, Trump is all over the place. This is not aligning. Am I really just attached to the person because is he really standing up for those values? And Mag is understanding and they're questioning this, but I agree with the video, it is a painful experience and to ignore that it's not very human to ignore that either to the difficulty in leaving that situation. So having that open conversation in mind and remembering humanity in it is pretty important. So I think I tried to sum that up well
PocketSandy (04:18:56): Real quick here because when I address somebody and they respond, that's the right way to do it and I know I'll play by different rules and I addressed Mike and then he responded and then we moved on. I would beg that I get to play by the same rules as everybody else. Mayflower addressed me and then moved on and how this usually plays out is they'll say a lot of things and then we just move into what they said. So I don't think that's fair and I'm going to push back no matter what you say to me.
Mayflower (04:19:27): No, sorry.
PocketSandy (04:19:28): No, that's not necessarily your fault. I mean I don't
Mayflower (04:19:31): Know. No, it's happening to me too. It just is the imperfection of the space. But go ahead.
PocketSandy (04:19:37): Right. Giving some of the respect to respond to something takes my voice, but I don't get that when somebody addresses me, I'm frustrated. I'm going to be frustrated a lot of shit and I think you're hearing some of that. I'm covered head to toe and bruises. I couldn't walk on Sunday so anybody would be angry and frustrated. I would be, please don't fucking interrupt me to answer this, but I'd be curious to know if you've been to either fucking city to know anything about this thing that I said about their polar opposites. There's really good things that PNW leftists have that Minneapolis doesn't have. There's really good things that Minneapolis has the p and w does not have. They are very fucking different. And if you don't know, you don't know. And I can be frustrated at a number of dynamics that are not in existence in Minneapolis, and I say this all the time, that there was an autonomous zone in Seattle where leftists walked around and policed everybody's fucking actions, their speech, whatever they did to assemble, they became cops while they hated cops and then they shot everybody and it got shot down. The autonomous zone in Minneapolis is there two day, it is always going to be there forever in perpetuity like Stonewall. It is different. We came together and supported the city in a way that would never in a million years fucking happen here. Never. You cannot convince me that it was a massive community effort. There was people being the traffic lights when the city turned that off. There was people being hospice care when their hospice care wasn't coming. We were getting groceries. We had these huge assemblies of resources where people were being helped. It was a whole fucking different beast and me and my biases and the more I learned, the more that might change. But in my biases, I think that is a thousand times more powerful. Personally, I think it's a thousand times more powerful, but I am learning, I am imperfect and I think part of that learning is going back to Minnesota, be reminded of where I came from and then bring our ideas together on both sides. But I will be frustrated. Get ready for that. I'm going to try my best to say the right fucking words, but I'm making mistakes and it's difficult. It's a difficult time in my life and I will be making difficult mistakes too. I'm trying my best, but I would be interested to know if you've been to either city.
Mayflower (04:22:17): Yeah, so I think we're saying similar things. I'm just trying to explain to you, so when you say polar opposite, for example, one would say, okay, north pole, south pole, polar opposites. But I agree with you, they are very different, but they're not polar opposites. That's what I'm saying. Everything else I agree with, they are very different. It is very different here I'm in Vermont, it's very different here. Now have I been to the other cities? No, I haven't. I'll be honest with you, but I've never been to Iran either. I can tell you the culture in Iran is very different than it is here or other places you can learn about things without having been there. But I agree with everything you're saying. It is very different. It's just not polar opposite. So push them so far away that they can't connect.
PocketSandy (04:23:07): I'm trying to be better at that too. But you can't, you cannot know what happened without me.
Mayflower (04:23:14): I never said I did know. Never said that. No, never said that.
PocketSandy (04:23:17): A no.
Mayflower (04:23:18): I'm saying is has
PocketSandy (04:23:20): You made a claim that you,
Mayflower (04:23:21): All I'm saying is that the words you say matter understanding and the words do push people I interrupting
PocketSandy (04:23:26): Me, they do matter and I think you just totally ignored what I just said but I'm, I didn't, I'm trying to get better at that. Well, why did I have to say it again? Fuck,
Mayflower (04:23:38): You didn't have to say it again.
PocketSandy (04:23:39): Jesus fucking Christ.
Mayflower (04:23:40): Alright
PocketSandy (04:23:40): Guys.
Marine4America (04:23:40): Alright, we got to
Mayflower (04:23:42): Pam has, I agree with everything I was
PocketSandy (04:23:45): What
Mayflower (04:23:45): You're
PocketSandy (04:23:45): Saying
Mayflower (04:23:46): ThePocketSandy (04:23:46): Fuck.Mayflower (04:23:47): I'm not disagreeing with you.
PocketSandy (04:23:48): Okay.
Mayflower (04:23:49): I was just But
PocketSandy (04:23:49): Don't interrupt me then. It sounds like you are.
Mayflower (04:23:52): No, I'm trying to have a conversation.
PocketSandy (04:23:54): No, you don't have a conversation by talking over somebody. You just don't. That's not how it works.
Mayflower (04:24:00): Okay.
PocketSandy (04:24:00): I will be frustrated, especially when this is, is what's happening, but I want to try and treat you with kindness the best I can, but I will be frustrated at shit and I do not think that fully what happened after George Floyd was murdered and Minneapolis? I know nobody does. There's so much of that story nobody fucking knows. I tried to help a woman from being kidnapped and she was dead the next morning. The boogaloo boy copycat motherfuckers were the ones burning shit down. They were coming to another city to fuck up somebody else's backyard, so that way leftists looked like they're monsters. Cadillac pond fucking owner was shooting into a crowd and killing people and then the police came and stole the fucking video and destroyed it so that way he wouldn't get convicted.
Marine4America (04:24:55): I
PocketSandy (04:24:55): Understand.
Marine4America (04:24:56): Story
PocketSandy (04:24:57): Is, I'm sorry.
Marine4America (04:24:59): That's okay.
PocketSandy (04:25:00): They are different and if you want to tone police me on the word polar, whatever, but they are very different. Whatever words you would rather me say, they are very different and we're going to agree on that and on so many issues it is polar fucking opposite. So I'll specify better on that, but they are very different. Very different.
Marine4America (04:25:22): I just want to say I also had a disagreement with what my flower said in the beginning, but it was kind of over a nitpicky thing about generalizing Antifa with this cult thing. But I listened to it and I'm like, you know what? Even my disagreement, it's kind of like nitpicky and I don't really care enough, so it's no big deal. Pam, go ahead.
PamHemphill79 (04:25:42): Interesting. This is just my thoughts about protests. I was in one right January 6th. That wasn't a protest. I didn't want to be involved in another one like that ever. However, you have to decide your part, they're people that bring water pizza. There are people that throw ding dongs live and leave people alone. Just decide what you're there for. What's your motive? You got to check your motive. We're there to protest by and trump and what's happening. That's all. And document as much as we can what they're doing. I think I lost my thoughts.
Marine4America (04:26:41): Yeah, I'm pretty getting pretty.
PamHemphill79 (04:26:44): I'm not going to change anybody. Yeah, I'm not going to change anybody. We're not going to change anybody.
Mayflower (04:26:49): If I can just say so pocket Sandy, I'm sorry. I think my intention didn't come off. My intention was not to be nitpicky. You had asked people for advice on what you can do to help communicate better. I was trying to give you, in my opinion, a little bit of advice and just trying to be careful of divisive or excluding language that can make it hard for people to connect everything else. I agree with you. I never said that I was in Minneapolis. I never said that I was there with George Floyd. I can't even say I understand that I wasn't there, but can I empathize with it? Oh yeah, I can empathize with it and I'm agreeing with you. They are very different. They're culturally very different. My caution was just on the divisiveness and if that's nitpicky fine, I wasn't intending to be nitpicky. I was actually trying to give you a little bit of advice because you asked for it. If you hadn't have asked for it, I wouldn't have said anything.
PocketSandy (04:27:50): Yeah, I appreciate that and I appreciate you sort of explaining your side. I took it away and I'm frustrated and like I said, I'm going to make a lot of mistakes, but I don't necessarily like the way you said it, but I like the way you landed it in the end and clarified what your intent was. I need to take this advice on all sides right now because it might be my survival and I can tell you, I can admit that I am lashing out too much on the left. I've been doing it for a little bit because of the behavior that I have been feeling and the type of language I use is increasingly more divisive When Crow feather keeps on saying that I'm bringing MAGA over to us and it's something we keep revisiting over and over and over again and some people on our side say, Hey Sandy, can you try to get him to leave? I've had success with that and I don't bring 'em there. Tommy's gone. That's why they're there. Tommy's gone and people are mad at me for anything that goes wrong around there and I think anybody would be angry and I think most people would act a lot fucking crazier than me. I'm not going to fucking lie. I'm not a superhuman and I'm already saying shit that might bring me trouble against the left and the right and this fucking chat and who knows if I die because I spoke. So that's where I'm at. I'm trying to get better and it is good advice. It is good advice and that's probably why I need to take a step back too because I'm just sort of just lashing out at everybody at this point. I'm just fucking not having a good time. I'm not safe. I'm getting attacked from all sides and I'm just fucking lashing out and it is not helping me one bit and I wish people could handle somebody calling out bad behavior and be okay with it, but I can tell you what you can in Minneapolis
Marine4America (04:29:47): And Mayflower. I didn't mean to, sorry for using that language with nitpicky. I was also just kind of, I realized that was something I was definitely about to do and I felt like maybe sharing it in that direct sense might help move things along. I think there was a connection there that could have been made, so I didn't want that to pass out.
Mayflower (04:30:08): No, sorry. I do tend to interrupt sometimes. I do have some A DH adhd, but I try to be very structured in my responses so that I can kind of overcome that. But no, I don't take this personal, I'm not there. So you can lash out and you have every right to be frustrated and lash out and be defensive and I don't take it personal. This is not aimed towards me. It is nothing personal to me. You don't have to worry about that. I was just trying to say I could see how to other people though,
Marine4America (04:30:41): The
Mayflower (04:30:42): Way you open the conversation being cautious and how you open it and how you're speaking so that you don't automatically exclude people and stuff like that.
Marine4America (04:30:51): I'm obvious too.
PocketSandy (04:30:52): That's true. That's true. And to me in the moment, agree with it or not. It felt like more of a declaration than an advice sort of statement, but you did bring it back over to the advice angle to it in the moment. I was saying the thing you were trying to tell me and I don't think it was heard and it made me more frustrated. It made me lash out a little bit, but I am a strong voice. I always have been. I'm not afraid to speak a lot of times, but I am now. I am afraid to speak now I've been given instructions to not come to these places or die.
Marine4America (04:31:29): The ex spaces. I mean my actual X name is delete X now. I believe this is toxic.
PocketSandy (04:31:39): Oh yeah. I want to tell everybody for everybody's safety on X, Elon and his fucking infinite wisdom, he gave API access to everybody on the planet. ISIS can pull your private chats, They can pull whatever name you put in when you registered your account. I could do it if I fucking wanted to. I got too much shit on my plate, but I applied for it and I got it in 10 minutes. Filling out a form. This is something you usually fly out to the company and you have a meeting with the big wigs and have PowerPoint and all that shit involved, but on X you can be ISIS sitting in a fucking desert somewhere in a cave and fucking get API access and pull your fucking name and your birthdate.
Marine4America (04:32:19): Okay?
PamHemphill79 (04:32:23): I'm sure Martin Luther King and John Lewis, we look at 'em as leaders. You probably could say that and agree with that, right? However, they hadn't have control over people and Malcolm X, they both had different ways and tactics, right? And both were right. You could say both were wrong, whatever, they got arrested. But look what was behind that. We're putting a light on the law that should not be a law. I should not be arresting people that are going against their forced amendment rights. You know how they're arresting them all. You guys know what they're doing. That's what we focus on, not what people's doing down there in Portland. Ice building. It doesn't matter. That's up to the police. If somebody's breaking the law, it's not on me. It's not on you. Just be there to show that you're supporting going up against fascism. It's that simple. I'm not there to save anybody. I know my motive. I know why I'm there. That's all that matters for me. If my motive is wrong, I need to check myself and go somewhere else and I will. If that ever happens, but I know my motive's good. You could only be a role model. You decide what you're going to be. That's up to you. You pay the consequences, whatever that's going to be. Alls I know is I go at home at the end of the night at Portland and I feel good. I feel like I've brought any trouble. I'm not trying to make trouble. I know that if I have, I need to go back and make amends the next day, right? Say, Hey, I shouldn't have said that. And I have, I've called him the F word. I get so mad at him. I said, I shouldn't be calling you the F word. I'm just getting upset because you guys are coming around here starting trouble. This is me off. Just try to get along, leave people alone. It's our first amendment and there's a list of things that counter protest or cannot be doing to people that are protesting, but they're doing it. It's frustrating, but I can't control it. I can't control anything. I have no control, which is good somehow. A lot of us are character defects get in the way and we think I'm going to go control this thing. I'm going to tell everybody how to act and what they should do and not do. I'm sure I'm glad that Martin Luther King didn't do that. They went by what he was doing and John Lewis, and don't forget when they poured hot coffee over his head, he prayed for these people. So mega, maybe that's what you should be doing, is praying for these people because you talk about your Bible and your Christianity, right? Instead of yelling at 'em, me or accusing them or yelling, I'm talking to mega right now.
PocketSandy (04:35:13): Oh, sorry.
PamHemphill79 (04:35:16): Practice what you preach and then we'll listen to you anyway. I'll
Marine4America (04:35:20): The deep mega,
PamHemphill79 (04:35:21): I'm getting a migraine too
Marine4America (04:35:24): And see, Patriot your back. How you doing, man?
PamHemphill79 (04:35:29): Check your motives.
NCPatriot (04:35:30): Well, I'm, I'm going to try to go
PamHemphill79 (04:35:34): Just check your motives and make sure they're right.
PocketSandy (04:35:41): Yeah, no, they are. I'm just misunderstood. But I also do need to get the fuck out of there soon and I need to be careful. So I'm a broken person. My heart is broken. I'm fucked and I don't get to do what I did and I don't get to apologize and it be accepted with anybody. It doesn't work. I don't get to make it right. I try to talk to court crow feather. It is not accessible to me. I have to play by different rules and it's not winnable. I can't do what I did anymore. It's not possible. And it was taken from me and I'm hurt. It was taken from me. And that hurt might get better if I put the right content out that I probably should have put out to keep this whole mess from happening to me. But I got to do what I got to do. And I think a lot of the answers are going to be, the questions are going to be answered and the people are really thirsty for their fucking precious receipts are going to get their fucking precious receipts. And it is what it is. I regret not releasing more of it. When I get a huge campaign against me, I get overwhelmed. I don't really feel like any of y'all fucking deserve the answers when it comes to that level.
PamHemphill79 (04:36:57): Well, all was, I could say try to deal with, I've dealt with for three years, dear. Come on, give me a break. I got to say this to you. I got to confront you a little bit here. I mean, I've got the phone calls. We're sitting outside your doors. I've got shit sent to me. I have death threat after death threat. They called my PO when I was on probation and tried to get me in trouble and lie. I've had so much I've had to go through accusing me and smearing me and lying about me. But you know what? It's not the same. You know what I know what I'm doing is right. That's all I know. You're
Marine4America (04:37:32): Saying hang in there Sandy.
PamHemphill79 (04:37:34): Yeah,
PocketSandy (04:37:35): No, I tossed it out too, Pam, but it's past that. Now. I
PamHemphill79 (04:37:38): Can't worry about what people do and say I'm not in control. I'm not in control of other people
Marine4America (04:37:43): Hang in there. But
PocketSandy (04:37:44): What if I die because of what I say.
PamHemphill79 (04:37:46): Well, me too. What if they kill me? What if nobody
PocketSandy (04:37:49): Hear because of where it's at?
PamHemphill79 (04:37:51): I'm not going to stop people.
PocketSandy (04:37:52): I'm not controlling nobody. I'm not trying to control somebody. And you keep saying that to me and I'm not. I'm trying to help people make the right decisions on their own.
PamHemphill79 (04:38:00): Sometimes my helping is not helping. I realize that too for myself.
PocketSandy (04:38:04): Well, that's where I'm at. That's where I'm at. I can't help anymore.
PamHemphill79 (04:38:06): Is my helping, really helping
Marine4America (04:38:09): NC Patriot,
NCPatriot (04:38:12): I thought that guy was going to talk the rest of the night there.
PocketSandy: HeyNC
Patriot (04:38:18): Sandy, I'm going to give you some unsolicited advice. He didn't ask me for new advice, but I'm going to give you some anyway. Don't go back down there. If you're getting death threats or somebody won't accept your apology, don't go back. I mean, it's that simple. You said you're not going to be able to go down there and do what you did before. And then I've heard you say that before. You were kind of a go-between, between the right and the left. Don't go back. What is it worth it to you? Is it worth it to you to get death threats or to be doxed and they find out where you live or that's what you're going to have to deal with. The more you go down there, and I'm not telling you not to go, I'm just saying that is a simple solution is not to go. Don't put yourself in that situation basically.
PocketSandy (04:39:20): Yeah. Yeah. So that's sort of the end goal. And I don't know how much what I've said here is been heard by yet. I'm not sure if you joined after or whatever, but there's a lot of people that align more with me and they're scared to speak because of what's happening to me and what's happening. Just when it's nothing to do with me because of the tribalism that's turned violent, that's taken everybody's voices. I'm going to come down there to take a stand for a moment and hopefully not die and then I'm fucking out of there. Then it's just truth teller, constant creator, whatever the fuck, let y'all burn it all down. I'm not fucking whatever. I'm going to just do what I need to do to try my best. Maybe only one, try one night, see if I can fucking take a stand and see where people land. And if people land in the wrong place and it's fuck around, find out. That's the story the country will learn when I start making the story.
NCPatriot (04:40:20): But Sandy, alright, I hear y'all talk about Shane Patriot. Shane, not Shane with a y. Shane without a Y having a gun and everything and you yourself carry. I've heard you say you yourself carry
PocketSandy (04:40:41): Responsibly.
NCPatriot (04:40:42): Well, I think why didn't Shane, what has Shane done that was irresponsible
Marine4America (04:40:46): Brand gun
PocketSandy (04:40:48): Pointing guns at people for damn near an hour with his finger on the trigger. Isn't that like go back. No, I'm sorry. This is dangerous for me to approach
PamHemphill79 (04:40:58): NNC Patriot.
PocketSandy (04:40:59): No, no, no, no.
NCPatriot (04:40:59): He did not have his finger on the trigger. Yes he did.
PamHemphill79 (04:41:02): Yes he did. Yes he did.
NCPatriot (04:41:04): Yes he did. It's not
PocketSandy (04:41:05): Video.
NCPatriot (04:41:06): You have video. Know
PocketSandy (04:41:07): What? I'm going to get goaded into speaking on this and it's quite literally deadly to speak on it. I will speak on it later. I wish I could answer your questions more. It is not safe for me to approach this topic and that's fucked up and that's not your
PamHemphill79 (04:41:18): Fault,
PocketSandy (04:41:19): But it's fucked up and I cannot talk on this, but it is what it is.
PamHemphill79 (04:41:23): This whole conversation is not about Sandy. Anyway, you guys come on. I'm picking on
NCPatriot (04:41:28): Her. It's been about Sandy all night. It's been three hours. Well, we're trying to move
PocketSandy (04:41:31): It on the draft. I will.
SpiderMike (04:41:32): It hasn't been three hours. I've only been here for an hour and a half and he's been talking for maybe 30 minutes. Just calm down and see,
NCPatriot (04:41:38): Oh, you are bad ass.
SpiderMike (04:41:40): Calm down,
NCPatriot (04:41:40): Nancy,
SpiderMike (04:41:41): You
NCPatriot (04:41:41): Just got here. I play by different,
PamHemphill79 (04:41:43): Sometimes people need that time and I think we need to break the rules and when a person like Sandy comes in that needs a little help, it's okay, but there's a limit. We got to get ballots here because nobody wants to hear me for a half hour. I get it. But please be patient because we're just trying to help Sandy right now. I
NCPatriot (04:42:09): Get it and I won't Sandy to be helped. I do, honestly, I do. But the answers he's searching for, he is not going to find in front of the ice building whether he's talking with Magar, whether he's talking with black block, whether he's talking with double White or Mike, no matter who he's talking to.
SpiderMike (04:42:31): Put your
NCPatriot (04:42:32): Teeth
SpiderMike (04:42:32): In when you address me, please.
NCPatriot (04:42:34): Oh, fuck you. You fat. Fuck. Talking about,
Marine4America (04:42:38): What
NCPatriot (04:42:38): The fuck? I got a question, Mike,
SpiderMike (04:42:42): Put your teeth in. I can't understand you.
Marine4America (04:42:44): What the fuck man?
PamHemphill79 (04:42:46): NCP, you can come back up. I will forgive you, but don't you ever talk to Mike like that again.
PocketSandy (04:42:54): Yeah, no, IM
PamHemphill79 (04:42:55): Not going to be on the alone. You don't go below the belt. We're not doing that to you, so I'm expecting you to give us back what we're doing to you. We didn't. That was terrible. I'm sorry. Spider Spiderman.
SpiderMike (04:43:11): No, that's okay. I'm used to it. It just bounces off of me. But I was just correcting him when he said that Sandy had been speaking for three hours and I looked at the clock and it was nine, I think 20 after nine Pacific standard time when I signed in here and I was like, Sandy, we've been talking with Sandy for a little over half an hour, maybe 40 minutes. And again, I think my opinion and my advice to Sandy was yeah, definitely go back to Minneapolis, Minnesota and be with friends and family and I think you mentioned to me that every day you're healing from your brain trauma. So maybe spending some time there will continue to help with the progression of your healing. I'm so sorry, I didn't know that they beat you physically. My gosh, I am sorry. I won't talk about it, but Sandy, that's my advice. Go back to Minneapolis, be with friends and family, do your thing there and of course keep in touch with all of us, but that's my advice.
PocketSandy (04:44:23): Yeah, thank you. Appreciate that. Yeah, I'm not doing much before I leave. I just need to be in the space a little bit. I'm not exactly sure when I get on the road back out there, but I might get an apartment again. First. I'm not sure that I want to stay there very long. Last time I was there, I was robbed in my whitewater kayaking community when I was sleeping. They all pissed in my fucking kayak because I was wearing a, they was wearing a dress out there. It was gallons of piss. I had to empty out of it. So it isn't necessarily that I'm coming back to the most fucking peaceful thing that I'm going to put everything to rest. So that way when I come back to visit my family and my friends, I don't have to come back to handle a problem. I just come back there for love. Okay, so that's where I'm at. It's part of the healing journey, but me doing what I'm doing out there has launched my recovery at hyper speed. When I first came out to ice, I was struggling, more struggling heal me. That's why I built a bike when I couldn't walk and then eroded a thousand miles that same year I came out of a coma. I have to struggle to heal and that's what it looks like when I'm out there. So if I stop completely and I just live a really sedentary life, my progression and my brain injury will get slower and worse and maybe regress and I do worry about making my life a little too boring and not progressing and not struggling enough. I'm not going to lie. That's fine. That's great. Okay. That's good for you. I do want to talk on your brain injury thing, that fucking thing where your eyes hurt. When I was in the hospital, my brain migraines got really bad. My eyeballs were literally popping out. I looked fucking crazy in the pictures. It was pressure in my skull. It was pushing my eyeballs out. So I resonate with that.
SpiderMike (04:46:13): Fucking, oh, go ahead.
Marine4America (04:46:16): No, I just hate the shit. What was I even going to say? We're hearing too much of you, but also I'm going to bring up more of your problems and talk about you. So it's like you're the one keeping it going at that point. I got one more. I mean, I'll call on a computer turd here real quick. And again, real quick with NC Patriot dodging the question or dodging the whole point that I asked him earlier where I said, do you think it's fucked up that there's now an instrument in place to forgive people who commit violence against police officers? As long as we get people in power who? Pardon that shit? He's like, yeah, nah, that's fine. I'm like, well, what the fuck are we even doing in here? Go ahead, conspirator. Why'd you block me?
Conspireturd (04:47:04): I don't know. Probably because you're annoying. Alright man, what do you got? I'll unblock you. Thanks. So, alright, two things here. One, Sandy, man, you are a drama queen. Keep it going. Hundred percent. So you love,
Marine4America (04:47:21): What's the real thing you got to say because that's just going to fucking keep it going.
PamHemphill79 (04:47:25): Yeah, that's a personality attack.
Marine4America (04:47:28): Yeah. What else?
Conspireturd (04:47:28): I just haven't, let me finish and I got to get to spider mic. Jesus
Marine4America (04:47:31): Fucking Christ.
Conspireturd (04:47:33): Real quick, real quick. So Sandy,
SpiderMike (04:47:36): Bring it. Todd,Conspireturd (04:47:37): You love this attention and honestly I have a really bad feeling that one day we're going to see you the in the news
Marine4America (04:47:44): Because you could
PocketSandy (04:47:47): Fucking Christ. Same shit. That shit again.
Marine4America (04:47:49): Same shit.
PamHemphill79 (04:47:50): Wait, wait.
Marine4America (04:47:51): Fuck him. No, he's going to do this. No, fuck him. He's just going to do the same bullshit. I don't give a fuck about him.
PamHemphill79 (04:47:59): Just let him finish. Please.
Marine4America (04:48:00): No, he's not. He's just going to do more bullshit about how these people are shooters. It's fucking bullshit. I'm not going to listen to that. I'm sorry, Pam. I won't.
SpiderMike (04:48:12): Thank you Marines.
Marine4America (04:48:15): All right, well you know what? If you want to bring 'em up, that's fine. I am going to call it there for the night. Sorry for interjecting so much into Portland. Thanks for It's okay. Thanks guys.
PocketSandy (04:48:23): I'm not, not a trans shooter.
Marine4America (04:48:26): Thanks
SpiderMike (04:48:27): Marine. Thank you.
PocketSandy (04:48:30): I'm the model gun owner. Fucking crazy people.
Marine4America (04:48:33): Be happy to talk another time. Also, my dms are open for any of these fucking anonymous listeners who want to talk shit and call me fake Marine, everyone's welcome to DM and I'll stand by anything I fucking said tonight. So fuck off and for everyone else, have a good night.
PamHemphill79 (04:48:49): So you're leaving Marine, because I asked you to let him finish.
Marine4America (04:48:54): I am going to go. So it's up to you.
PamHemphill79 (04:48:57): So you got mad like PDX at me?
Marine4America (04:48:59): No, no, no, no. It is almost 2:00 AM for me, and I have work in three hours.
PamHemphill79 (04:49:04): I just wanted to tell you, the guy that's running for Congress in South Carolina, he was an active Marine. When he got arrested, he was at the Capitol. I just wanted to let you know that. Yeah.
Marine4America (04:49:18): Oh, well
PamHemphill79 (04:49:19): Look. Yeah, an active marine, I can't believe it.
Marine4America (04:49:22): Yeah, a lot of us are really stupid. It is what it is. And I love us, but we are stupid.
PamHemphill79 (04:49:29): We know you're a real marine. I know that.
Marine4America (04:49:32): Hey, and you know what? People are like, Hey, can you send me a picture of your DD two 14? I'm like, fuck off. I don't. You could say whatever you want about me. I don't give a fuck.
PamHemphill79 (04:49:41): Oh yeah. They just, yeah, don't do that.
Marine4America (04:49:43): Yeah, whatever. Alright, for real. Have a great night everybody. Thanks for having me. I
PamHemphill79 (04:49:47): Appreciate you.
PocketSandy (04:49:48): Really
SpiderMike (04:49:49): Do. Good night, ma.
PocketSandy (04:49:51): Yeah, I'm going to try my best to not regret being in here. Well,
PamHemphill79 (04:49:55): We can't make it all. I'm
PocketSandy (04:49:56): Scared.
PamHemphill79 (04:49:56): We can't. I'm really scared, but we can't monopolize the whole space, so hold up pocket. You have had a lot of time,
PocketSandy (04:50:03): So
PamHemphill79 (04:50:03): Let me go. Well,
PocketSandy (04:50:04): We're addressing these. So I said what is, go ahead. Lemme see.
PamHemphill79 (04:50:10): This is about dismissing the J six convictions. They never happened. Spider Mar, do you want to co-host, host?
SpiderMike (04:50:23): Oops, sorry about that. I set my phone down real quick. Sure, I will. Sure.
PamHemphill79 (04:50:34): Okay. I sent you the invite.
SpiderMike (04:50:37): Thank you, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (04:50:42): Just remember I have tolerance for some people where others would never talk to. That's each person has that. Right? That's okay. You might talk to somebody that I wouldn't say a word to where I would talk to somebody that, you know what I'm saying, Michael,
SpiderMike (04:50:59): I hear you.PamHemphill79 (04:51:00): And that's okay. We both could agree when somebody really does need to be taken down because they're just so nasty.
PocketSandy (04:51:11): Should we get to let everybody say their piece on me and I just sit back and then they spin the propaganda that's going to come around to kill me. Oh,
PamHemphill79 (04:51:18): You don't need abuse. Nobody needs that.
PocketSandy (04:51:22): Okay. I don't think I get to play by the same rules. Whatever. It's just fucking
PamHemphill79 (04:51:28): Whatever. Well, you could choose to talk back or not. That's up to you. That's your choice. Yeah,
PocketSandy (04:51:34): I guess I'm monopolizing it. Everybody wants to fucking speak on me. It is what it is. It's just whatever, whatever. I'm a fucking broken person right now and I'm sorry I said whatever I said to piss you all off. I just need to get to
PamHemphill79 (04:51:50): It. No apologizing for being you.
PocketSandy (04:51:52): It's just whatever. It just can't be me. It's not allowed. It's not fucking allowed.
PamHemphill79 (04:51:57): Yes it is. I give you permission.
PocketSandy (04:52:00): Yeah, it is what it
PamHemphill79 (04:52:01): Is. You can be anything you want.
PocketSandy (04:52:08): It's whatever. I'm not some fucking trans shooter. That's fucking insane. It's fucking insane. That's based on propaganda and hatred, whatever that shit. Let's talk at length to get San committed. Let's take him out, whatever.
PamHemphill79 (04:52:28): Nobody can get me committed but me. I don't give people that kind of power. No. Yeah. But
PocketSandy (04:52:34): I got admitted into a mental hospital because somebody lied, just like conspirator art is doing and started this fucking campaign. They brought a fucking armored personnel carrier to my apartment and SWAT in a hundred fucking officers they pulled from the surrounding counties. They fucking threw me in that fucking mental hospital and tortured me in the holding cell because they didn't like guns and they were cooperating on lies and it was fucking insane. You want to know that was some liberal fucking whatever piece of shit motherfucker, and he was operating on the same shit. The conspirator art is. It's fucking insane. I'm sick of it. I'm fucking sick of it. This almost killed me. You guys don't know what you're doing.
SpiderMike (04:53:19): Sorry about that, Pam. I keep getting kicked. I don't know if you can hear me.
PamHemphill79 (04:53:23): Yeah, I hear you.
SpiderMike (04:53:24): Okay. Yeah, it's kicked me like five times. I keep trying to join back in, but I was the co-host for about five seconds. Let
PamHemphill79 (04:53:31): Me try again.
SpiderMike (04:53:41): There we go. I hope that works. We'll see if it works. If I disappear again, I'm just having problems here, everywhere on this server for some reason. I dunno what's going on, but Sandy, please. Okay. That conspirator card. Look at his name. I mean, I take that guy serious about as far as I can kick him, so yeah, I've learned over time by being down, hanging with all these people down at the ice facility. They're just words and just let 'em bounce off you. I know it's tough, but I get all these MAGA agitators that they want to go ahead and fat shame me and I'm like, go ahead. It's not like I don't know that I'm already overweight. I mean the weight's slowly coming off, but keep it going
PocketSandy (04:54:33): Was okay. That's where I was at though. That's where I was. Let's
PamHemphill79 (04:54:36): Go onto
PocketSandy (04:54:36): Something
PamHemphill79 (04:54:37): Else.
PocketSandy (04:54:37): Turn deadly until I couldn't be safe at home.
PamHemphill79 (04:54:41): Okay.
PocketSandy (04:54:41): Yeah. I'm sorry. Yep. Address me. I don't get to respond. Cool.
PamHemphill79 (04:54:44): I'm getting a headache.
SpiderMike (04:54:48): Don't get a headache.
PamHemphill79 (04:54:50): They teased me about my eyebrows.
SpiderMike (04:54:53): Oh, I know.
PamHemphill79 (04:54:54): Well, they won't. You guys get a donation and pay for my tattoos. They supposed to be able to tattoo eyebrows. That would be nice. I lost him because of chemotherapy, so they would've teased me about it, but I get old. Did Cuba see, say that he
PocketSandy (04:55:11): Was going to punch you, he was going to assault you
PamHemphill79 (04:55:13): Next
PocketSandy (04:55:14): Time he saw you?
PamHemphill79 (04:55:14): Did you
PocketSandy (04:55:15): Do that? No,
PamHemphill79 (04:55:16): But
PocketSandy (04:55:17): He promised he was going to do that.
PamHemphill79 (04:55:18): I'm an old hag. I should go home and knit. They say all kinds of shit, whatever tells me more.
SpiderMike (04:55:24): Yeah, he threatened to physically harm you.
PocketSandy (04:55:27): It is what it is. He was drunk. I think he might've reversed his fucking whatever. I don't give a shit anymore. I regret saying that. I remember.
PamHemphill79 (04:55:36): Remember what they're saying? Says more about them than you.
PamHemphill79 (04:55:41): Yeah,
PocketSandy (04:55:41): And they get to take everything from me.PamHemphill79 (04:55:45): I'm going to try to see if these two could behave or not. I allow you, this is practice for me, spider. See how long it
SpiderMike (04:55:55): Can last. That's why I'm standing by. I'll be patient. I'll let them talk, but like I said, when they start disrespecting you, I can't handle that. I mean, if they want to come up and talk about the DOJ dismissing thelan six people and why, then come on up. Yeah, let's talk about it.
PamHemphill79 (04:56:18): Come on up. Talk about the DOJ wanting to dismiss the J six convictions. Why do you think they shouldn't be doing that? That's fine. We can have a disagreement January
NCPatriot (04:38:12): I thought that guy was going to talk the rest of the night there.
PocketSandy: HeyNC
Patriot (04:38:18): Sandy, I'm going to give you some unsolicited advice. He didn't ask me for new advice, but I'm going to give you some anyway. Don't go back down there. If you're getting death threats or somebody won't accept your apology, don't go back. I mean, it's that simple. You said you're not going to be able to go down there and do what you did before. And then I've heard you say that before. You were kind of a go-between, between the right and the left. Don't go back. What is it worth it to you? Is it worth it to you to get death threats or to be doxed and they find out where you live or that's what you're going to have to deal with. The more you go down there, and I'm not telling you not to go, I'm just saying that is a simple solution is not to go. Don't put yourself in that situation basically.
PocketSandy (04:39:20): Yeah. Yeah. So that's sort of the end goal. And I don't know how much what I've said here is been heard by yet. I'm not sure if you joined after or whatever, but there's a lot of people that align more with me and they're scared to speak because of what's happening to me and what's happening. Just when it's nothing to do with me because of the tribalism that's turned violent, that's taken everybody's voices. I'm going to come down there to take a stand for a moment and hopefully not die and then I'm fucking out of there. Then it's just truth teller, constant creator, whatever the fuck, let y'all burn it all down. I'm not fucking whatever. I'm going to just do what I need to do to try my best. Maybe only one, try one night, see if I can fucking take a stand and see where people land. And if people land in the wrong place and it's fuck around, find out. That's the story the country will learn when I start making the story.
NCPatriot (04:40:20): But Sandy, alright, I hear y'all talk about Shane Patriot. Shane, not Shane with a y. Shane without a Y having a gun and everything and you yourself carry. I've heard you say you yourself carry
PocketSandy (04:40:41): Responsibly.
NCPatriot (04:40:42): Well, I think why didn't Shane, what has Shane done that was irresponsible
Marine4America (04:40:46): Brand gun
PocketSandy (04:40:48): Pointing guns at people for damn near an hour with his finger on the trigger. Isn't that like go back. No, I'm sorry. This is dangerous for me to approach
PamHemphill79 (04:40:58): NNC Patriot.
PocketSandy (04:40:59): No, no, no, no.
NCPatriot (04:40:59): He did not have his finger on the trigger. Yes he did.
PamHemphill79 (04:41:02): Yes he did. Yes he did.
NCPatriot (04:41:04): Yes he did. It's not
PocketSandy (04:41:05): Video.
NCPatriot (04:41:06): You have video. Know
PocketSandy (04:41:07): What? I'm going to get goaded into speaking on this and it's quite literally deadly to speak on it. I will speak on it later. I wish I could answer your questions more. It is not safe for me to approach this topic and that's fucked up and that's not your
PamHemphill79 (04:41:18): Fault,
PocketSandy (04:41:19): But it's fucked up and I cannot talk on this, but it is what it is.
PamHemphill79 (04:41:23): This whole conversation is not about Sandy. Anyway, you guys come on. I'm picking on
NCPatriot (04:41:28): Her. It's been about Sandy all night. It's been three hours. Well, we're trying to move
PocketSandy (04:41:31): It on the draft. I will.
SpiderMike (04:41:32): It hasn't been three hours. I've only been here for an hour and a half and he's been talking for maybe 30 minutes. Just calm down and see,
NCPatriot (04:41:38): Oh, you are bad ass.
SpiderMike (04:41:40): Calm down,
NCPatriot (04:41:40): Nancy,
SpiderMike (04:41:41): You
NCPatriot (04:41:41): Just got here. I play by different,
PamHemphill79 (04:41:43): Sometimes people need that time and I think we need to break the rules and when a person like Sandy comes in that needs a little help, it's okay, but there's a limit. We got to get ballots here because nobody wants to hear me for a half hour. I get it. But please be patient because we're just trying to help Sandy right now. I
NCPatriot (04:42:09): Get it and I won't Sandy to be helped. I do, honestly, I do. But the answers he's searching for, he is not going to find in front of the ice building whether he's talking with Magar, whether he's talking with black block, whether he's talking with double White or Mike, no matter who he's talking to.
SpiderMike (04:42:31): Put your
NCPatriot (04:42:32): Teeth
SpiderMike (04:42:32): In when you address me, please.
NCPatriot (04:42:34): Oh, fuck you. You fat. Fuck. Talking about,
Marine4America (04:42:38): What
NCPatriot (04:42:38): The fuck? I got a question, Mike,
SpiderMike (04:42:42): Put your teeth in. I can't understand you.
Marine4America (04:42:44): What the fuck man?
PamHemphill79 (04:42:46): NCP, you can come back up. I will forgive you, but don't you ever talk to Mike like that again.
PocketSandy (04:42:54): Yeah, no, IM
PamHemphill79 (04:42:55): Not going to be on the alone. You don't go below the belt. We're not doing that to you, so I'm expecting you to give us back what we're doing to you. We didn't. That was terrible. I'm sorry. Spider Spiderman.
SpiderMike (04:43:11): No, that's okay. I'm used to it. It just bounces off of me. But I was just correcting him when he said that Sandy had been speaking for three hours and I looked at the clock and it was nine, I think 20 after nine Pacific standard time when I signed in here and I was like, Sandy, we've been talking with Sandy for a little over half an hour, maybe 40 minutes. And again, I think my opinion and my advice to Sandy was yeah, definitely go back to Minneapolis, Minnesota and be with friends and family and I think you mentioned to me that every day you're healing from your brain trauma. So maybe spending some time there will continue to help with the progression of your healing. I'm so sorry, I didn't know that they beat you physically. My gosh, I am sorry. I won't talk about it, but Sandy, that's my advice. Go back to Minneapolis, be with friends and family, do your thing there and of course keep in touch with all of us, but that's my advice.
PocketSandy (04:44:23): Yeah, thank you. Appreciate that. Yeah, I'm not doing much before I leave. I just need to be in the space a little bit. I'm not exactly sure when I get on the road back out there, but I might get an apartment again. First. I'm not sure that I want to stay there very long. Last time I was there, I was robbed in my whitewater kayaking community when I was sleeping. They all pissed in my fucking kayak because I was wearing a, they was wearing a dress out there. It was gallons of piss. I had to empty out of it. So it isn't necessarily that I'm coming back to the most fucking peaceful thing that I'm going to put everything to rest. So that way when I come back to visit my family and my friends, I don't have to come back to handle a problem. I just come back there for love. Okay, so that's where I'm at. It's part of the healing journey, but me doing what I'm doing out there has launched my recovery at hyper speed. When I first came out to ice, I was struggling, more struggling heal me. That's why I built a bike when I couldn't walk and then eroded a thousand miles that same year I came out of a coma. I have to struggle to heal and that's what it looks like when I'm out there. So if I stop completely and I just live a really sedentary life, my progression and my brain injury will get slower and worse and maybe regress and I do worry about making my life a little too boring and not progressing and not struggling enough. I'm not going to lie. That's fine. That's great. Okay. That's good for you. I do want to talk on your brain injury thing, that fucking thing where your eyes hurt. When I was in the hospital, my brain migraines got really bad. My eyeballs were literally popping out. I looked fucking crazy in the pictures. It was pressure in my skull. It was pushing my eyeballs out. So I resonate with that.
SpiderMike (04:46:13): Fucking, oh, go ahead.
Marine4America (04:46:16): No, I just hate the shit. What was I even going to say? We're hearing too much of you, but also I'm going to bring up more of your problems and talk about you. So it's like you're the one keeping it going at that point. I got one more. I mean, I'll call on a computer turd here real quick. And again, real quick with NC Patriot dodging the question or dodging the whole point that I asked him earlier where I said, do you think it's fucked up that there's now an instrument in place to forgive people who commit violence against police officers? As long as we get people in power who? Pardon that shit? He's like, yeah, nah, that's fine. I'm like, well, what the fuck are we even doing in here? Go ahead, conspirator. Why'd you block me?
Conspireturd (04:47:04): I don't know. Probably because you're annoying. Alright man, what do you got? I'll unblock you. Thanks. So, alright, two things here. One, Sandy, man, you are a drama queen. Keep it going. Hundred percent. So you love,
Marine4America (04:47:21): What's the real thing you got to say because that's just going to fucking keep it going.
PamHemphill79 (04:47:25): Yeah, that's a personality attack.
Marine4America (04:47:28): Yeah. What else?
Conspireturd (04:47:28): I just haven't, let me finish and I got to get to spider mic. Jesus
Marine4America (04:47:31): Fucking Christ.
Conspireturd (04:47:33): Real quick, real quick. So Sandy,
SpiderMike (04:47:36): Bring it. Todd,Conspireturd (04:47:37): You love this attention and honestly I have a really bad feeling that one day we're going to see you the in the news
Marine4America (04:47:44): Because you could
PocketSandy (04:47:47): Fucking Christ. Same shit. That shit again.
Marine4America (04:47:49): Same shit.
PamHemphill79 (04:47:50): Wait, wait.
Marine4America (04:47:51): Fuck him. No, he's going to do this. No, fuck him. He's just going to do the same bullshit. I don't give a fuck about him.
PamHemphill79 (04:47:59): Just let him finish. Please.
Marine4America (04:48:00): No, he's not. He's just going to do more bullshit about how these people are shooters. It's fucking bullshit. I'm not going to listen to that. I'm sorry, Pam. I won't.
SpiderMike (04:48:12): Thank you Marines.
Marine4America (04:48:15): All right, well you know what? If you want to bring 'em up, that's fine. I am going to call it there for the night. Sorry for interjecting so much into Portland. Thanks for It's okay. Thanks guys.
PocketSandy (04:48:23): I'm not, not a trans shooter.
Marine4America (04:48:26): Thanks
SpiderMike (04:48:27): Marine. Thank you.
PocketSandy (04:48:30): I'm the model gun owner. Fucking crazy people.
Marine4America (04:48:33): Be happy to talk another time. Also, my dms are open for any of these fucking anonymous listeners who want to talk shit and call me fake Marine, everyone's welcome to DM and I'll stand by anything I fucking said tonight. So fuck off and for everyone else, have a good night.
PamHemphill79 (04:48:49): So you're leaving Marine, because I asked you to let him finish.
Marine4America (04:48:54): I am going to go. So it's up to you.
PamHemphill79 (04:48:57): So you got mad like PDX at me?
Marine4America (04:48:59): No, no, no, no. It is almost 2:00 AM for me, and I have work in three hours.
PamHemphill79 (04:49:04): I just wanted to tell you, the guy that's running for Congress in South Carolina, he was an active Marine. When he got arrested, he was at the Capitol. I just wanted to let you know that. Yeah.
Marine4America (04:49:18): Oh, well
PamHemphill79 (04:49:19): Look. Yeah, an active marine, I can't believe it.
Marine4America (04:49:22): Yeah, a lot of us are really stupid. It is what it is. And I love us, but we are stupid.
PamHemphill79 (04:49:29): We know you're a real marine. I know that.
Marine4America (04:49:32): Hey, and you know what? People are like, Hey, can you send me a picture of your DD two 14? I'm like, fuck off. I don't. You could say whatever you want about me. I don't give a fuck.
PamHemphill79 (04:49:41): Oh yeah. They just, yeah, don't do that.
Marine4America (04:49:43): Yeah, whatever. Alright, for real. Have a great night everybody. Thanks for having me. I
PamHemphill79 (04:49:47): Appreciate you.
PocketSandy (04:49:48): Really
SpiderMike (04:49:49): Do. Good night, ma.
PocketSandy (04:49:51): Yeah, I'm going to try my best to not regret being in here. Well,
PamHemphill79 (04:49:55): We can't make it all. I'm
PocketSandy (04:49:56): Scared.
PamHemphill79 (04:49:56): We can't. I'm really scared, but we can't monopolize the whole space, so hold up pocket. You have had a lot of time,
PocketSandy (04:50:03): So
PamHemphill79 (04:50:03): Let me go. Well,
PocketSandy (04:50:04): We're addressing these. So I said what is, go ahead. Lemme see.
PamHemphill79 (04:50:10): This is about dismissing the J six convictions. They never happened. Spider Mar, do you want to co-host, host?
SpiderMike (04:50:23): Oops, sorry about that. I set my phone down real quick. Sure, I will. Sure.
PamHemphill79 (04:50:34): Okay. I sent you the invite.
SpiderMike (04:50:37): Thank you, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (04:50:42): Just remember I have tolerance for some people where others would never talk to. That's each person has that. Right? That's okay. You might talk to somebody that I wouldn't say a word to where I would talk to somebody that, you know what I'm saying, Michael,
SpiderMike (04:50:59): I hear you.PamHemphill79 (04:51:00): And that's okay. We both could agree when somebody really does need to be taken down because they're just so nasty.
PocketSandy (04:51:11): Should we get to let everybody say their piece on me and I just sit back and then they spin the propaganda that's going to come around to kill me. Oh,
PamHemphill79 (04:51:18): You don't need abuse. Nobody needs that.
PocketSandy (04:51:22): Okay. I don't think I get to play by the same rules. Whatever. It's just fucking
PamHemphill79 (04:51:28): Whatever. Well, you could choose to talk back or not. That's up to you. That's your choice. Yeah,
PocketSandy (04:51:34): I guess I'm monopolizing it. Everybody wants to fucking speak on me. It is what it is. It's just whatever, whatever. I'm a fucking broken person right now and I'm sorry I said whatever I said to piss you all off. I just need to get to
PamHemphill79 (04:51:50): It. No apologizing for being you.
PocketSandy (04:51:52): It's just whatever. It just can't be me. It's not allowed. It's not fucking allowed.
PamHemphill79 (04:51:57): Yes it is. I give you permission.
PocketSandy (04:52:00): Yeah, it is what it
PamHemphill79 (04:52:01): Is. You can be anything you want.
PocketSandy (04:52:08): It's whatever. I'm not some fucking trans shooter. That's fucking insane. It's fucking insane. That's based on propaganda and hatred, whatever that shit. Let's talk at length to get San committed. Let's take him out, whatever.
PamHemphill79 (04:52:28): Nobody can get me committed but me. I don't give people that kind of power. No. Yeah. But
PocketSandy (04:52:34): I got admitted into a mental hospital because somebody lied, just like conspirator art is doing and started this fucking campaign. They brought a fucking armored personnel carrier to my apartment and SWAT in a hundred fucking officers they pulled from the surrounding counties. They fucking threw me in that fucking mental hospital and tortured me in the holding cell because they didn't like guns and they were cooperating on lies and it was fucking insane. You want to know that was some liberal fucking whatever piece of shit motherfucker, and he was operating on the same shit. The conspirator art is. It's fucking insane. I'm sick of it. I'm fucking sick of it. This almost killed me. You guys don't know what you're doing.
SpiderMike (04:53:19): Sorry about that, Pam. I keep getting kicked. I don't know if you can hear me.
PamHemphill79 (04:53:23): Yeah, I hear you.
SpiderMike (04:53:24): Okay. Yeah, it's kicked me like five times. I keep trying to join back in, but I was the co-host for about five seconds. Let
PamHemphill79 (04:53:31): Me try again.
SpiderMike (04:53:41): There we go. I hope that works. We'll see if it works. If I disappear again, I'm just having problems here, everywhere on this server for some reason. I dunno what's going on, but Sandy, please. Okay. That conspirator card. Look at his name. I mean, I take that guy serious about as far as I can kick him, so yeah, I've learned over time by being down, hanging with all these people down at the ice facility. They're just words and just let 'em bounce off you. I know it's tough, but I get all these MAGA agitators that they want to go ahead and fat shame me and I'm like, go ahead. It's not like I don't know that I'm already overweight. I mean the weight's slowly coming off, but keep it going
PocketSandy (04:54:33): Was okay. That's where I was at though. That's where I was. Let's
PamHemphill79 (04:54:36): Go onto
PocketSandy (04:54:36): Something
PamHemphill79 (04:54:37): Else.
PocketSandy (04:54:37): Turn deadly until I couldn't be safe at home.
PamHemphill79 (04:54:41): Okay.
PocketSandy (04:54:41): Yeah. I'm sorry. Yep. Address me. I don't get to respond. Cool.
PamHemphill79 (04:54:44): I'm getting a headache.
SpiderMike (04:54:48): Don't get a headache.
PamHemphill79 (04:54:50): They teased me about my eyebrows.
SpiderMike (04:54:53): Oh, I know.
PamHemphill79 (04:54:54): Well, they won't. You guys get a donation and pay for my tattoos. They supposed to be able to tattoo eyebrows. That would be nice. I lost him because of chemotherapy, so they would've teased me about it, but I get old. Did Cuba see, say that he
PocketSandy (04:55:11): Was going to punch you, he was going to assault you
PamHemphill79 (04:55:13): Next
PocketSandy (04:55:14): Time he saw you?
PamHemphill79 (04:55:14): Did you
PocketSandy (04:55:15): Do that? No,
PamHemphill79 (04:55:16): But
PocketSandy (04:55:17): He promised he was going to do that.
PamHemphill79 (04:55:18): I'm an old hag. I should go home and knit. They say all kinds of shit, whatever tells me more.
SpiderMike (04:55:24): Yeah, he threatened to physically harm you.
PocketSandy (04:55:27): It is what it is. He was drunk. I think he might've reversed his fucking whatever. I don't give a shit anymore. I regret saying that. I remember.
PamHemphill79 (04:55:36): Remember what they're saying? Says more about them than you.
PamHemphill79 (04:55:41): Yeah,
PocketSandy (04:55:41): And they get to take everything from me.PamHemphill79 (04:55:45): I'm going to try to see if these two could behave or not. I allow you, this is practice for me, spider. See how long it
SpiderMike (04:55:55): Can last. That's why I'm standing by. I'll be patient. I'll let them talk, but like I said, when they start disrespecting you, I can't handle that. I mean, if they want to come up and talk about the DOJ dismissing thelan six people and why, then come on up. Yeah, let's talk about it.
PamHemphill79 (04:56:18): Come on up. Talk about the DOJ wanting to dismiss the J six convictions. Why do you think they shouldn't be doing that? That's fine. We can have a disagreement January
SpiderMike (04:56:29): Six with the K, but real quick, if I could, Sandy, you mentioned that you dealt with the migraines right after your injury and I didn't really, after my two serious concussions with both of my motorcycle accidents, I didn't deal with the migraines for years, but it was probably about 10 years later, all of a sudden I started having swelling in my frontal lobe and I mean, I didn't know what it was. It was just really bad headaches. The migraines, like I described them. It felt like somebody took a bunch of razor blades and broken glass and filled the front of my head behind my eyeballs and then with all that stuff and then shook my head. That's what it felt like and sometimes it'd last for days and I still have those problems. To this day I have medication for it, but this week, Tuesday and Wednesday was really bad yesterday and today and so yeah, it's where I have to shut my phone off. I can't even look up my phone. So they get really bad. They get really, really bad. You
GuyerDigital (04:57:50): Need blue light glasses, Mike. That's
PocketSandy (04:57:54): That's my life. What
GuyerDigital (04:57:55): Type of medication do they prescribe for? Swelling of the frontal lobe going to,
PamHemphill79 (04:58:01): I'm too tired to get out of line and no, for him not to raise his hand. I got a headache. I can close this down anyway pretty soon. Raise your hand. That's all I ask. What a big deal. Go ahead and call tn Spider Mike.
SpiderMike (04:58:16): I wasn't even paying attention. Like I said, I'm still, my medications are working. It's just
PamHemphill79 (04:58:23): Okay, I'll call. Go ahead.
SpiderMike (04:58:25): Sometimes it's hard to even look up my phone because Go ahead guy.
PamHemphill79 (04:58:28): Okay, I'm calling Adam. Go ahead guy.
GuyerDigital (04:58:32): All right. Two questions.
SpiderMike (04:58:32): Oh, is that was
GuyerDigital (04:58:33): What type of medication do they prescribe for swelling at the frontal lobe?SpiderMike (04:58:38): I have no idea what my doctor gave me.
GuyerDigital (04:58:40): Oh, that explains what's wrong with you. And second question is, Sandy is, I don't like this at the beginning,
PamHemphill79 (04:58:46): I'm going to block your ass. Hold
GuyerDigital (04:58:47): On, Sandy, hold on, hold on.
PamHemphill79 (04:58:49): No,
SpiderMike (04:58:49): No, no. This is at
GuyerDigital (04:58:51): The beginning of the beginning of this conversation. When you joined in, you said F me.
PamHemphill79 (04:58:55): Let him finish. Hold on.
GuyerDigital (04:58:56): You said F me. I'm just questioning why F me. That's it.
PocketSandy (04:59:02): Yeah. You came in a moment of weakness and did this thing, but you were interrupting me. That's why I said, fuck you because you're interrupting me. That's it. That's just the depth of what that was is,
GuyerDigital (04:59:13): But what did I do?
PocketSandy (04:59:14): You interrupted me. You came there in a moment of fucking weakness after when the blood was still running down my fucking legs. You came in for your goals.
GuyerDigital (04:59:26): I asked if you were okay, didn't I?
PocketSandy (04:59:28): And then you posted this fucking wild propaganda bullshit claiming that I'm doing crimes,
GuyerDigital (04:59:35): Didn't claim nothing,
PocketSandy (04:59:36): Investigate violence and shit.
GuyerDigital (04:59:37): Didn't claim nothing for somebody hiding their face for such a long time. That made themselves a public figure. And then they're questioning why it's a weird thing to have their face, which should be public on social media. It makes me wonder, okay, why are you hiding your face?
PocketSandy (04:59:54): Honestly, I wanted to get rid of the hood a while ago. Then the attacks started to escalate more and more. But you know what? When I'm shot, I'm going to pull it off right at the last second so the whole world can see it.
GuyerDigital (05:00:06): I think you're playing a victim, man, and nobody feeds into it. So I think you should reach out to Jesus just a little bit more. Oh
PocketSandy (05:00:11): God, give me a break. So am I. Brandon,
GuyerDigital (05:00:15): Will
SpiderMike (05:00:16): You shut up when
PocketSandy (05:00:17): Somebody is threatening to shoot me?
GuyerDigital (05:00:18): No, Michael,
PocketSandy (05:00:20): Is that okay? Shut up,
SpiderMike (05:00:21): Brandon.
PocketSandy (05:00:22): Is that okay to say I'm going to shoot you and then use a bunch of violence surrounding that whole moment?
PamHemphill79 (05:00:27): You're not going to use my space to come up here and abuse people. Goodbye. I
GuyerDigital (05:00:31): Don't
Diablo (05:00:31): Think it's
PocketSandy (05:00:31): Okay. Brandon is that drama queen shit. Brandon, Merrick,
PamHemphill79 (05:00:36): Spider Mike. I warned him. I've asked them, they're going to come in here and abuse people. They'll come in, but if you want to debate about the J six convictions or any political issue, that's fine. Stop picking on people and their personality. I don't want it here. People don't want to hear this. Maybe you do, so go have your mega space and call us all the C word, whatever, but not here.
PocketSandy (05:01:04): To be honest, I need to keep it kosher because Mag is the only ones that are fucking helping me figure out what happened and I need to treat that delicately.
PamHemphill79 (05:01:14): I know to be, but I warned him and not he disrespects whatever requesting and I give him a mic. I let him come in here. They would never let me in their space. Ever. Oh,
PocketSandy (05:01:27): Guy's, free. I
PamHemphill79 (05:01:28): Reach out guy's.
PocketSandy (05:01:28): Fair game. Nobody, nobody's.
PamHemphill79 (05:01:31): They have one motive is to hurt people and I don't like that.
PamHemphill79 (05:01:39): Yep.
PamHemphill79 (05:01:41): I'm going to hurt you with facts. I know when somebody's factual with me, it gives me a receipt. I get embarrassed. I get ashamed. I go, oh my God. They're telling facts here. I don't like it, but it's a fact. Right? That's different. But we don't care to assassinate people. That's not appropriate. That's not Christian. If you're saying, read the Bible or give me a break, you sound so hypocritical. You'd come in here and you would say, I disagree with you. I really believe that J six convictions, it was a setup or you'd be talking about the issue, not the person calling Spider Mic a name or pocket. Give me a break. Grow up you. Huh?
PocketSandy (05:02:27): I'm sorry, I'm impulsive. Look in the purple pill everybody. If you doubt low fucking wild shit. The claims against me that you're refuting right now, they're literally in the purple pill on this. So try all you want to say it's not happening and it's happening in this fucking space.
PamHemphill79 (05:02:47): God, we're happen to do unto others as I want 'em doing unto me, but confront me when I'm doing it. Sometimes I won't. I'm going to be very not spiritual, that's for sure. Mike, say Pam, do unto others. You want 'em to do it. Hey, I need to be called out too. We all need to call each other out. I'll tell you what, the people that do that to me, I know they care enough about me to tell me the truth because they love me. They care about me, and that's okay. I don't like it. But you can call me out too, but not with lies and disinformation. I ain't going to talk to her. We'll go ahead and let go ahead. You know who you are. What do you get? Your
GuyerDigital (04:57:50): Need blue light glasses, Mike. That's
PocketSandy (04:57:54): That's my life. What
GuyerDigital (04:57:55): Type of medication do they prescribe for? Swelling of the frontal lobe going to,
PamHemphill79 (04:58:01): I'm too tired to get out of line and no, for him not to raise his hand. I got a headache. I can close this down anyway pretty soon. Raise your hand. That's all I ask. What a big deal. Go ahead and call tn Spider Mike.
SpiderMike (04:58:16): I wasn't even paying attention. Like I said, I'm still, my medications are working. It's just
PamHemphill79 (04:58:23): Okay, I'll call. Go ahead.
SpiderMike (04:58:25): Sometimes it's hard to even look up my phone because Go ahead guy.
PamHemphill79 (04:58:28): Okay, I'm calling Adam. Go ahead guy.
GuyerDigital (04:58:32): All right. Two questions.
SpiderMike (04:58:32): Oh, is that was
GuyerDigital (04:58:33): What type of medication do they prescribe for swelling at the frontal lobe?SpiderMike (04:58:38): I have no idea what my doctor gave me.
GuyerDigital (04:58:40): Oh, that explains what's wrong with you. And second question is, Sandy is, I don't like this at the beginning,
PamHemphill79 (04:58:46): I'm going to block your ass. Hold
GuyerDigital (04:58:47): On, Sandy, hold on, hold on.
PamHemphill79 (04:58:49): No,
SpiderMike (04:58:49): No, no. This is at
GuyerDigital (04:58:51): The beginning of the beginning of this conversation. When you joined in, you said F me.
PamHemphill79 (04:58:55): Let him finish. Hold on.
GuyerDigital (04:58:56): You said F me. I'm just questioning why F me. That's it.
PocketSandy (04:59:02): Yeah. You came in a moment of weakness and did this thing, but you were interrupting me. That's why I said, fuck you because you're interrupting me. That's it. That's just the depth of what that was is,
GuyerDigital (04:59:13): But what did I do?
PocketSandy (04:59:14): You interrupted me. You came there in a moment of fucking weakness after when the blood was still running down my fucking legs. You came in for your goals.
GuyerDigital (04:59:26): I asked if you were okay, didn't I?
PocketSandy (04:59:28): And then you posted this fucking wild propaganda bullshit claiming that I'm doing crimes,
GuyerDigital (04:59:35): Didn't claim nothing,
PocketSandy (04:59:36): Investigate violence and shit.
GuyerDigital (04:59:37): Didn't claim nothing for somebody hiding their face for such a long time. That made themselves a public figure. And then they're questioning why it's a weird thing to have their face, which should be public on social media. It makes me wonder, okay, why are you hiding your face?
PocketSandy (04:59:54): Honestly, I wanted to get rid of the hood a while ago. Then the attacks started to escalate more and more. But you know what? When I'm shot, I'm going to pull it off right at the last second so the whole world can see it.
GuyerDigital (05:00:06): I think you're playing a victim, man, and nobody feeds into it. So I think you should reach out to Jesus just a little bit more. Oh
PocketSandy (05:00:11): God, give me a break. So am I. Brandon,
GuyerDigital (05:00:15): Will
SpiderMike (05:00:16): You shut up when
PocketSandy (05:00:17): Somebody is threatening to shoot me?
GuyerDigital (05:00:18): No, Michael,
PocketSandy (05:00:20): Is that okay? Shut up,
SpiderMike (05:00:21): Brandon.
PocketSandy (05:00:22): Is that okay to say I'm going to shoot you and then use a bunch of violence surrounding that whole moment?
PamHemphill79 (05:00:27): You're not going to use my space to come up here and abuse people. Goodbye. I
GuyerDigital (05:00:31): Don't
Diablo (05:00:31): Think it's
PocketSandy (05:00:31): Okay. Brandon is that drama queen shit. Brandon, Merrick,
PamHemphill79 (05:00:36): Spider Mike. I warned him. I've asked them, they're going to come in here and abuse people. They'll come in, but if you want to debate about the J six convictions or any political issue, that's fine. Stop picking on people and their personality. I don't want it here. People don't want to hear this. Maybe you do, so go have your mega space and call us all the C word, whatever, but not here.
PocketSandy (05:01:04): To be honest, I need to keep it kosher because Mag is the only ones that are fucking helping me figure out what happened and I need to treat that delicately.
PamHemphill79 (05:01:14): I know to be, but I warned him and not he disrespects whatever requesting and I give him a mic. I let him come in here. They would never let me in their space. Ever. Oh,
PocketSandy (05:01:27): Guy's, free. I
PamHemphill79 (05:01:28): Reach out guy's.
PocketSandy (05:01:28): Fair game. Nobody, nobody's.
PamHemphill79 (05:01:31): They have one motive is to hurt people and I don't like that.
PamHemphill79 (05:01:39): Yep.
PamHemphill79 (05:01:41): I'm going to hurt you with facts. I know when somebody's factual with me, it gives me a receipt. I get embarrassed. I get ashamed. I go, oh my God. They're telling facts here. I don't like it, but it's a fact. Right? That's different. But we don't care to assassinate people. That's not appropriate. That's not Christian. If you're saying, read the Bible or give me a break, you sound so hypocritical. You'd come in here and you would say, I disagree with you. I really believe that J six convictions, it was a setup or you'd be talking about the issue, not the person calling Spider Mic a name or pocket. Give me a break. Grow up you. Huh?
PocketSandy (05:02:27): I'm sorry, I'm impulsive. Look in the purple pill everybody. If you doubt low fucking wild shit. The claims against me that you're refuting right now, they're literally in the purple pill on this. So try all you want to say it's not happening and it's happening in this fucking space.
PamHemphill79 (05:02:47): God, we're happen to do unto others as I want 'em doing unto me, but confront me when I'm doing it. Sometimes I won't. I'm going to be very not spiritual, that's for sure. Mike, say Pam, do unto others. You want 'em to do it. Hey, I need to be called out too. We all need to call each other out. I'll tell you what, the people that do that to me, I know they care enough about me to tell me the truth because they love me. They care about me, and that's okay. I don't like it. But you can call me out too, but not with lies and disinformation. I ain't going to talk to her. We'll go ahead and let go ahead. You know who you are. What do you get? Your
PamHemphill79 (05:22:25): Your behavior follows you if you don't change. There's a book called Inside the Criminal Mind, and one of their, they say is, I wouldn't have stole the car if they haven't left the keys in there. This thinking is the problem that they have entitlement blaming, victim stance. They know their tactics and they know how to use it. They don't want to face themselves. They have to put it out there in society. They've never worked on their own issues. They just sounds
Conspireturd (05:22:54): Like Sandy.
PamHemphill79 (05:23:00): Yep.
Conspireturd (05:23:01): Can I finish now? Pam Spider. Mike's in here listening. I've been waiting very patiently. It's been about half hour since.
PamHemphill79 (05:23:07): Well, go ahead. Get rid of your garbage real
PocketSandy (05:23:10): Quick. Who was speaking before? My app is just bugged. I just want to know who was speaking
Conspireturd (05:23:14): Right now or before
PocketSandy (05:23:17): The person Before you. I know.
SpiderMike (05:23:20): I think it was your mama.
PocketSandy (05:23:21): She's gone now. Thank
SpiderMike (05:23:22): You. Yeah.
Conspireturd (05:23:24): All right. So Spider Mike, you sound just like a mafia, Don telling Sandy, yes, Sandy, you need to move. You should take some time away. That's like threatening him, telling him to go on back to where he came from. So you guys don't have to deal with him anymore because you think he's such a fuck.
SpiderMike (05:23:40): Are you talking about
Conspireturd (05:23:42): Yeah, he's exactly what's going on. You're the honcho out there running The fuck Are you
SpiderMike (05:23:46): Talking
Conspireturd (05:23:46): About?
SpiderMike (05:23:47): Hey,
Conspireturd (05:23:47): I'm
SpiderMike (05:23:47): Fucking talking here.
Conspireturd (05:23:49): I'm
SpiderMike (05:23:49): Fucking talking here. Shut
Conspireturd (05:23:50): Fuck. Right, you're running. Shut those block. Block. You're protecting them. Shut.
SpiderMike (05:23:54): Shut the
Conspireturd (05:23:54): FuckSpiderMike (05:23:54): Up.
Conspireturd (05:23:55): That's your deal out there. Shut
SpiderMike (05:23:56): The fuck up. Shut.
Conspireturd (05:23:57): You're organizing everything.
SpiderMike (05:23:59): Yes, I am
Conspireturd (05:24:00): Trying to cover your ass. Acting like you just putting your hand on Sandy to get him out. Really? You were part of the attack.
SpiderMike (05:24:07): Oh, was it? Okay. Yeah. Sandy and I got together and we talked about it. That's why Sandy ended up with all these bruises that I had no idea. You're talking about.
PamHemphill79 (05:24:17): I'm going to ask you a question because you help put on tattoos for Nazis or is that a rumor?
Conspireturd (05:24:25): No, I don't Tattoo Nazis.
PamHemphill79 (05:24:27): That's what they said.
Conspireturd (05:24:29): Well, people say shit that isn't true. People say that I'm a Nazi. People say that I'm maga. People do say
PocketSandy (05:24:35): Shit. That's not true. Yep.
PamHemphill79 (05:24:38): Oh, really? I didn't know that. Everybody's honest.
Conspireturd (05:24:42): I'm not saying everyone's honest, but
PamHemphill79 (05:24:44): Well, everybody's a liar.
Conspireturd (05:24:46): What's that got to do with anything that I'm saying here? I mean, what I calling Sandy out on is my observation. You're not what I'm calling Mike out on is my observation,
PamHemphill79 (05:24:57): But your motive behind it is wrong. You know it. Your motive is wrong to hurt.
Conspireturd (05:25:02): I can see right through
PamHemphill79 (05:25:03): All of you. It's not to help. You can't see shit.
PocketSandy (05:25:06): You can assume right through everything. I'm not at war with you right now. Nobody. I'm
Conspireturd (05:25:10): Not at war with. I'm not at war with you either. But you have a huge problem. You have a mental issue that Jesus
PocketSandy (05:25:17): Disgrace
Conspireturd (05:25:17): You so apparent.
PocketSandy (05:25:20): You know what? Let me answer that because I wasn't allowed to and everybody got to speak and me being addressed, I'm on meds. I've had a ton of therapists. I've had a ton of help. I, it's a struggle. And anybody that was missing this much of their fucking brain, this traumatized, all this shit would be struggling. But I think I'm stronger than most every other fucking human being on this level. It's just you're going to see me be a mess fucked.
Conspireturd (05:25:46): This is all just part of your kink.
PocketSandy (05:25:47): It just is what it is. This is
Conspireturd (05:25:48): All just part of your kink. You probably sitting there with a butt plug up your ass or something right now.
PocketSandy (05:25:53): Oh
PamHemphill79 (05:25:53): God.
PocketSandy (05:25:54): No.
Conspireturd (05:25:54): You got to go.
PocketSandy (05:25:55): You got to go. That's weird. Y'all are always talking wondering about people's sex lives and what's in their pants and shit. It is weird.
PamHemphill79 (05:26:02): I'm sorry. Weird. You guys don't even need to come in anymore. I want 10 people in here having a No, really 10 people is enough for me. I like a small space where there's only say 15 of us. It's enough where we help each other. We're not up here saying nasty things like that. It's horrible.
SpiderMike (05:26:23): Well, Pam, I think it's funny that conspirator art actually truly believes that I am the president of Antifa and I control all the Blacklock that I control all the people down there, especially with my migraines going on for the last two days. Yeah, I've been on the phone with all of them. You bunch of tars. God, you guys are so fucking stupid.
PamHemphill79 (05:26:46): Well,
PocketSandy (05:26:47): Thank you Mr. President.PamHemphill79 (05:26:48): This is the kind of stuff they do. What if we were to put out that they sent Shane down that night and they asked him to pull the gun, wonder if we'd spread that. This is what they do. They lie.SpiderMike (05:27:01): Yeah,
PamHemphill79 (05:27:02): Absolutely. We would never say they did that, but that's what they're doing to us. It's bullshit. And they know it. Look, they want us done. They want us out of the Portland Ice, whatever.
SpiderMike (05:27:13): Like I said, that's why I laugh.
PamHemphill79 (05:27:15): I'm like,
SpiderMike (05:27:16): Let them run with their theories and their all that crap. It's funny to me.
PamHemphill79 (05:27:21): Dely hilarious. Well, look, the FBI are laughing at 'em. I can guarantee you it should be a comedy book. They're so insane with this rumors and
PamHemphill79 (05:27:34): They're
PamHemphill79 (05:27:35): Like teenagers. They'll pay attention. Really?
SpiderMike (05:27:39): Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (05:27:40): It's kind of nice to be, they can't believe that we could be self doing our own thing without a leader. They can't believe it. They got to have a leader. They got to have a Trump. They got to have a proud boy. They got to have the Oath Keepers. They got to be in a group where somebody's controlling them and telling them how to be and how not to be. They can't believe that we could be down there just living and let live. We let people do what they do. If they get in trouble, that's their choice. If they just stand there with a sign, we don't care what anybody's doing per se. I mean, of course we're all going to stop anybody that's getting harmed if we possibly can just because we don't want to see anybody harmed. But besides that, we're not down there controlling anybody. It's not our job. They can't, how
SpiderMike (05:28:25): Many times have I told you, pan? I like just going down there and having fun and meeting all the good people. But if they want to believe that I'm documenting everything and that I'm orchestrating everything, that's what's funny to me. Go ahead. Keep it going. It's hilarious.
PamHemphill79 (05:28:45): Well, they want to upset us.
SpiderMike (05:28:47): It is notPamHemphill79 (05:28:47): Upsetting
SpiderMike (05:28:48): Me. I got a huge smile on my face right now. This is funny.
PamHemphill79 (05:28:52): But you think about it, it's kind of sad that you want to hurt other people's reputations. You want
SpiderMike (05:28:58): To doubt, oh, it doesn't hurt me. It doesn't hurt me. You said it once, Pam, you said that you don't have a job. You're retired. So it's not like if they dox you, it's not like, oh gosh, I'm going to lose my job and this and that. And same thing with me. I've been on disability for almost 20 years and it's like, go ahead and dox me. And of course, I love my second amendment, so if you want to step on my property, FAFO, but they don't. So it's like that Guyer brand in there. I mean, I've got all this information, but I don't gloat about it. But if he wants to step over that line,
PamHemphill79 (05:29:37): Well, I'm just grateful I don't wake up in their head in the morning.
SpiderMike (05:29:40): That's right.
PocketSandy (05:29:42): You're the next spider spider shooter.
SpiderMike (05:29:45): Exactly. I can't believe that. Who was it that said that about you?
PocketSandy (05:29:50): Serious? Oh golly. I really do, and I feel like I'm playing cleanup crew right now. I really do regret doing home a lot in here. I think. Hold on. It's fucked. I'm going to go to Minnesota and maybe talk the shit there. Maybe have conversations that I'm not allowed to.
PamHemphill79 (05:30:06): Okay, you guys, I'm going to call on this hand. That's up. Go ahead. Still.
GuyerDigital (05:30:17): Can you hear me? Now? I've got a question for you, Pam. Might take you back in time. All right. So I did some research and I found out that in 1992, you bought a Master's of Religion degree from the University of Life Church. Then you use that same degree that you bought to present yourself as a professional counselor, private professional counselor to treat addicts and sexual assault survivors in Idaho. So using those fake credentials because there's no higher level education or anything behind it. That's the same thing as you go into a store and buying a gift card. All right. You were also running workshops on a Course in Miracles.
PamHemphill79 (05:31:15): This
GuyerDigital (05:31:15): Is
PamHemphill79 (05:31:15): Part of the smear campaign. It's already been debunked.
GuyerDigital (05:31:18): No, no,
PamHemphill79 (05:31:18): I've already spoke on it.
GuyerDigital (05:31:19): No. Let me finish. No, I'm not. No, I'm notam. I don't interrupt you. You interrupt me all time. So lemme finish. So why should anyone trust
PamHemphill79 (05:31:30): You guys? I've been through this for so long. Oh my God. Oh my God. Okay, go tell everybody else we don't give a shit.
SpiderMike (05:31:43): Yeah, drop that. Don't
PamHemphill79 (05:31:44): Care.
SpiderMike (05:31:44): I mean, I don't know anything about all that, so I'm just kind of hanging. I'm not going
PamHemphill79 (05:31:48): To go.
SpiderMike (05:31:50): Don't let him pin
.PamHemphill79 (05:31:53): No, it's fine. I have no problem talking about this in open space record, but you know how many times I've done it. I'm sick of it. I do not have to prove shit about a smear or lies and explain it anymore. I'm done. Just keep spreading it. We don't care. I don't care.
SpiderMike (05:32:13): Well, the newest one, one is, well, it's my new girlfriend. And did you happen to see Lady Liberty there the other night? A couple of nights ago? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. What did you think of her dress? Wasn't she elegant?
PamHemphill79 (05:32:36): What? Are they jealous or what?
SpiderMike (05:32:39): Oh no. I'm just saying she is beautiful, isn't she? So I just wanted to know what you thought of my new girlfriend.
PamHemphill79 (05:32:47): Oh, I'm jealous. I thought you were getting married to me. Hey, she's beautiful inside and outside. That's what makes her outside so beautiful. Absolutely. Absolutely. He's a wonderful lady. And I'm so glad we took a picture together, you guys, if you want to, it feels like I'm in court with this smear all the time trying to explain things to people. You know what I mean? You could trust me or believe that I have integrity, but I'm burned out with it. Well,
SpiderMike (05:33:23): They won't take the time to meet these people. I mean, they're wonderful people, but whatever.
PamHemphill79 (05:33:29): Yeah, I'm burned out with it. But on a one-to-one, anybody want to talk to me about a smear the ear? I'll give you my number. We'll talk about it. How about that? Because I'm burned out.
SpiderMike (05:33:41): I hear you.
Conspireturd (05:22:54): Like Sandy.
PamHemphill79 (05:23:00): Yep.
Conspireturd (05:23:01): Can I finish now? Pam Spider. Mike's in here listening. I've been waiting very patiently. It's been about half hour since.
PamHemphill79 (05:23:07): Well, go ahead. Get rid of your garbage real
PocketSandy (05:23:10): Quick. Who was speaking before? My app is just bugged. I just want to know who was speaking
Conspireturd (05:23:14): Right now or before
PocketSandy (05:23:17): The person Before you. I know.
SpiderMike (05:23:20): I think it was your mama.
PocketSandy (05:23:21): She's gone now. Thank
SpiderMike (05:23:22): You. Yeah.
Conspireturd (05:23:24): All right. So Spider Mike, you sound just like a mafia, Don telling Sandy, yes, Sandy, you need to move. You should take some time away. That's like threatening him, telling him to go on back to where he came from. So you guys don't have to deal with him anymore because you think he's such a fuck.
SpiderMike (05:23:40): Are you talking about
Conspireturd (05:23:42): Yeah, he's exactly what's going on. You're the honcho out there running The fuck Are you
SpiderMike (05:23:46): Talking
Conspireturd (05:23:46): About?
SpiderMike (05:23:47): Hey,
Conspireturd (05:23:47): I'm
SpiderMike (05:23:47): Fucking talking here.
Conspireturd (05:23:49): I'm
SpiderMike (05:23:49): Fucking talking here. Shut
Conspireturd (05:23:50): Fuck. Right, you're running. Shut those block. Block. You're protecting them. Shut.
SpiderMike (05:23:54): Shut the
Conspireturd (05:23:54): FuckSpiderMike (05:23:54): Up.
Conspireturd (05:23:55): That's your deal out there. Shut
SpiderMike (05:23:56): The fuck up. Shut.
Conspireturd (05:23:57): You're organizing everything.
SpiderMike (05:23:59): Yes, I am
Conspireturd (05:24:00): Trying to cover your ass. Acting like you just putting your hand on Sandy to get him out. Really? You were part of the attack.
SpiderMike (05:24:07): Oh, was it? Okay. Yeah. Sandy and I got together and we talked about it. That's why Sandy ended up with all these bruises that I had no idea. You're talking about.
PamHemphill79 (05:24:17): I'm going to ask you a question because you help put on tattoos for Nazis or is that a rumor?
Conspireturd (05:24:25): No, I don't Tattoo Nazis.
PamHemphill79 (05:24:27): That's what they said.
Conspireturd (05:24:29): Well, people say shit that isn't true. People say that I'm a Nazi. People say that I'm maga. People do say
PocketSandy (05:24:35): Shit. That's not true. Yep.
PamHemphill79 (05:24:38): Oh, really? I didn't know that. Everybody's honest.
Conspireturd (05:24:42): I'm not saying everyone's honest, but
PamHemphill79 (05:24:44): Well, everybody's a liar.
Conspireturd (05:24:46): What's that got to do with anything that I'm saying here? I mean, what I calling Sandy out on is my observation. You're not what I'm calling Mike out on is my observation,
PamHemphill79 (05:24:57): But your motive behind it is wrong. You know it. Your motive is wrong to hurt.
Conspireturd (05:25:02): I can see right through
PamHemphill79 (05:25:03): All of you. It's not to help. You can't see shit.
PocketSandy (05:25:06): You can assume right through everything. I'm not at war with you right now. Nobody. I'm
Conspireturd (05:25:10): Not at war with. I'm not at war with you either. But you have a huge problem. You have a mental issue that Jesus
PocketSandy (05:25:17): Disgrace
Conspireturd (05:25:17): You so apparent.
PocketSandy (05:25:20): You know what? Let me answer that because I wasn't allowed to and everybody got to speak and me being addressed, I'm on meds. I've had a ton of therapists. I've had a ton of help. I, it's a struggle. And anybody that was missing this much of their fucking brain, this traumatized, all this shit would be struggling. But I think I'm stronger than most every other fucking human being on this level. It's just you're going to see me be a mess fucked.
Conspireturd (05:25:46): This is all just part of your kink.
PocketSandy (05:25:47): It just is what it is. This is
Conspireturd (05:25:48): All just part of your kink. You probably sitting there with a butt plug up your ass or something right now.
PocketSandy (05:25:53): Oh
PamHemphill79 (05:25:53): God.
PocketSandy (05:25:54): No.
Conspireturd (05:25:54): You got to go.
PocketSandy (05:25:55): You got to go. That's weird. Y'all are always talking wondering about people's sex lives and what's in their pants and shit. It is weird.
PamHemphill79 (05:26:02): I'm sorry. Weird. You guys don't even need to come in anymore. I want 10 people in here having a No, really 10 people is enough for me. I like a small space where there's only say 15 of us. It's enough where we help each other. We're not up here saying nasty things like that. It's horrible.
SpiderMike (05:26:23): Well, Pam, I think it's funny that conspirator art actually truly believes that I am the president of Antifa and I control all the Blacklock that I control all the people down there, especially with my migraines going on for the last two days. Yeah, I've been on the phone with all of them. You bunch of tars. God, you guys are so fucking stupid.
PamHemphill79 (05:26:46): Well,
PocketSandy (05:26:47): Thank you Mr. President.PamHemphill79 (05:26:48): This is the kind of stuff they do. What if we were to put out that they sent Shane down that night and they asked him to pull the gun, wonder if we'd spread that. This is what they do. They lie.SpiderMike (05:27:01): Yeah,
PamHemphill79 (05:27:02): Absolutely. We would never say they did that, but that's what they're doing to us. It's bullshit. And they know it. Look, they want us done. They want us out of the Portland Ice, whatever.
SpiderMike (05:27:13): Like I said, that's why I laugh.
PamHemphill79 (05:27:15): I'm like,
SpiderMike (05:27:16): Let them run with their theories and their all that crap. It's funny to me.
PamHemphill79 (05:27:21): Dely hilarious. Well, look, the FBI are laughing at 'em. I can guarantee you it should be a comedy book. They're so insane with this rumors and
PamHemphill79 (05:27:34): They're
PamHemphill79 (05:27:35): Like teenagers. They'll pay attention. Really?
SpiderMike (05:27:39): Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (05:27:40): It's kind of nice to be, they can't believe that we could be self doing our own thing without a leader. They can't believe it. They got to have a leader. They got to have a Trump. They got to have a proud boy. They got to have the Oath Keepers. They got to be in a group where somebody's controlling them and telling them how to be and how not to be. They can't believe that we could be down there just living and let live. We let people do what they do. If they get in trouble, that's their choice. If they just stand there with a sign, we don't care what anybody's doing per se. I mean, of course we're all going to stop anybody that's getting harmed if we possibly can just because we don't want to see anybody harmed. But besides that, we're not down there controlling anybody. It's not our job. They can't, how
SpiderMike (05:28:25): Many times have I told you, pan? I like just going down there and having fun and meeting all the good people. But if they want to believe that I'm documenting everything and that I'm orchestrating everything, that's what's funny to me. Go ahead. Keep it going. It's hilarious.
PamHemphill79 (05:28:45): Well, they want to upset us.
SpiderMike (05:28:47): It is notPamHemphill79 (05:28:47): Upsetting
SpiderMike (05:28:48): Me. I got a huge smile on my face right now. This is funny.
PamHemphill79 (05:28:52): But you think about it, it's kind of sad that you want to hurt other people's reputations. You want
SpiderMike (05:28:58): To doubt, oh, it doesn't hurt me. It doesn't hurt me. You said it once, Pam, you said that you don't have a job. You're retired. So it's not like if they dox you, it's not like, oh gosh, I'm going to lose my job and this and that. And same thing with me. I've been on disability for almost 20 years and it's like, go ahead and dox me. And of course, I love my second amendment, so if you want to step on my property, FAFO, but they don't. So it's like that Guyer brand in there. I mean, I've got all this information, but I don't gloat about it. But if he wants to step over that line,
PamHemphill79 (05:29:37): Well, I'm just grateful I don't wake up in their head in the morning.
SpiderMike (05:29:40): That's right.
PocketSandy (05:29:42): You're the next spider spider shooter.
SpiderMike (05:29:45): Exactly. I can't believe that. Who was it that said that about you?
PocketSandy (05:29:50): Serious? Oh golly. I really do, and I feel like I'm playing cleanup crew right now. I really do regret doing home a lot in here. I think. Hold on. It's fucked. I'm going to go to Minnesota and maybe talk the shit there. Maybe have conversations that I'm not allowed to.
PamHemphill79 (05:30:06): Okay, you guys, I'm going to call on this hand. That's up. Go ahead. Still.
GuyerDigital (05:30:17): Can you hear me? Now? I've got a question for you, Pam. Might take you back in time. All right. So I did some research and I found out that in 1992, you bought a Master's of Religion degree from the University of Life Church. Then you use that same degree that you bought to present yourself as a professional counselor, private professional counselor to treat addicts and sexual assault survivors in Idaho. So using those fake credentials because there's no higher level education or anything behind it. That's the same thing as you go into a store and buying a gift card. All right. You were also running workshops on a Course in Miracles.
PamHemphill79 (05:31:15): This
GuyerDigital (05:31:15): Is
PamHemphill79 (05:31:15): Part of the smear campaign. It's already been debunked.
GuyerDigital (05:31:18): No, no,
PamHemphill79 (05:31:18): I've already spoke on it.
GuyerDigital (05:31:19): No. Let me finish. No, I'm not. No, I'm notam. I don't interrupt you. You interrupt me all time. So lemme finish. So why should anyone trust
PamHemphill79 (05:31:30): You guys? I've been through this for so long. Oh my God. Oh my God. Okay, go tell everybody else we don't give a shit.
SpiderMike (05:31:43): Yeah, drop that. Don't
PamHemphill79 (05:31:44): Care.
SpiderMike (05:31:44): I mean, I don't know anything about all that, so I'm just kind of hanging. I'm not going
PamHemphill79 (05:31:48): To go.
SpiderMike (05:31:50): Don't let him pin
.PamHemphill79 (05:31:53): No, it's fine. I have no problem talking about this in open space record, but you know how many times I've done it. I'm sick of it. I do not have to prove shit about a smear or lies and explain it anymore. I'm done. Just keep spreading it. We don't care. I don't care.
SpiderMike (05:32:13): Well, the newest one, one is, well, it's my new girlfriend. And did you happen to see Lady Liberty there the other night? A couple of nights ago? Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. What did you think of her dress? Wasn't she elegant?
PamHemphill79 (05:32:36): What? Are they jealous or what?
SpiderMike (05:32:39): Oh no. I'm just saying she is beautiful, isn't she? So I just wanted to know what you thought of my new girlfriend.
PamHemphill79 (05:32:47): Oh, I'm jealous. I thought you were getting married to me. Hey, she's beautiful inside and outside. That's what makes her outside so beautiful. Absolutely. Absolutely. He's a wonderful lady. And I'm so glad we took a picture together, you guys, if you want to, it feels like I'm in court with this smear all the time trying to explain things to people. You know what I mean? You could trust me or believe that I have integrity, but I'm burned out with it. Well,
SpiderMike (05:33:23): They won't take the time to meet these people. I mean, they're wonderful people, but whatever.
PamHemphill79 (05:33:29): Yeah, I'm burned out with it. But on a one-to-one, anybody want to talk to me about a smear the ear? I'll give you my number. We'll talk about it. How about that? Because I'm burned out.
SpiderMike (05:33:41): I hear you.
PamHemphill79 (05:33:49): I mean, well, this one lady has had this job doing this for three years. Three years. Her focus is dug up on everything you could imagine, but she doesn't know what's behind it and spreads it. Does that make sense?S
piderMike (05:34:09): Yeah. Yes it does.
PamHemphill79 (05:34:12): And twist it. Yeah. And don't know the facts. What if they found out that somebody made me look like a fraud and I had to sue 'em? See, they don't know the stories behind it. They just put the story up.
PocketSandy (05:34:29): Have you seen what Dear Patriot posted on your own fucking space? This is wild. This is, it is what it is. This is fucking insane. Oh, go ahead. This is insanity.
PamHemphill79 (05:34:40): What?P
ocketSandy (05:34:43): I don't know regularly insights, violence, invades women's spaces, use trail of voice, got to stay away from fucking children and all this fucking what? Clear danger to society. This weird thing. A lot of these videos are just super out of context and quite literally, some of 'em are actually MAGA people that they're calling leftists. And that's fucking weird.
SpiderMike (05:35:07): Is it in
PocketSandy (05:35:08): The purple
SpiderMike (05:35:08): Pill?
PocketSandy (05:35:10): Oh,
SpiderMike (05:35:10): Okay, okay.
PocketSandy (05:35:11): I
SpiderMike (05:35:11): Wasn't paying attention.
PocketSandy (05:35:12)There's a bunch of trash on there, but I honestly, I just fucking, I don't know that I'm kind of with you Pamela, lot of shit. If anything, I am stirring the pot just to be like, fuck all of you. But I was before this attack happened to me, but truly this bear ma thing that I get, some of y'all don't fucking believe it, and I got a video and shit on. You'll see things are going to be revealed. But I honestly do think that was leftist. I honestly do. Somebody fucking said some wild shit to me after it happened. I deserved it. And everything's going into question right now. So let me figure it all out. That's everybody and all sides and everything between. Lemme just figure it out. Give me information if you give a shit. But nobody's really right on much of anything, just spreading a bunch of lies around and where there's no information, there's inferences, and then people actually believe them. People are conditioned a propaganda and it just is what it is. Just try to, I don't know. Let's just try to fucking get through this. I don't know. Well,
PamHemphill79 (05:36:26): Let me,
PocketSandy (05:36:26): I'm just demoralized and quite literally, I think I really just want to address a few things. When I got here and I got sucked in and now I'm saying shit that might
PamHemphill79 (05:36:34): Make me less safe. See what he just did. This is what they do. This has been explained. I'm telling you, I can't tell you, but three years how much I am tired of trying to, if I debugged it and gave him the facts behind what he tried to accuse me of, you think it'd be gone right now, right?
PocketSandy (05:37:00): Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (05:37:01): That's what I'm finding out. They're holding onto it no matter what. So it wouldn't matter if I explained it again. I would have to be explaining this for the next 20 years. I'm not going to do it.
PocketSandy (05:37:14): You
PamHemphill79 (05:37:15): Know what I'm saying?
PocketSandy (05:37:16): I'm feeling that on the left too. Right Now's
PamHemphill79 (05:37:18): Is their MO, they want to destroy you integrity and shut your mouth down and it's not going to work with me. Sorry. You guys try something better. Well, they do make up a whole bunch of crap when it's mostly truth. I'll sit and explain again. It might be new people in here, but oh my God, don't get me at 1230 in the morning
PocketSandy (05:37:49): When you don't release content and you do the work that I do, it really does turn into this and that's just what it is. So I guess hold your peace. I'm going to go stand back around there for a minute and then jet the fuck out. And then you're going to hear the full length version of my thoughts. And you might be surprised, you might not. Who the fuck knows? But a lot of this shit, your fucking precious receipts. And honestly, I think people are going to be gunning for me a lot more on either side after speaking in this space. And am I a fucking idiot for being here? It's wild. I am a fucking idiot. I really am. I'm tone deaf and stupid. When I'm good at speaking on one things, some things I'm really fucking good when I'm not. I'm really fucking not. And I'm going to own that. I'm a fucking mess sometimes and sometimes I'm powerful.
PamHemphill79 (05:38:46): They can't stand that because when people are honest, they can't stand it. They'll never admit when they're messed up. They're perfect anyway. They don't
PocketSandy (05:38:55): Trust it.
PamHemphill79 (05:38:55): Yeah. Anyway, you notice how many listeners there are? Let's see.
SpiderMike (05:39:02): I see that.
PamHemphill79 (05:39:03): Oh my god. Chicken shits once. Don't you come up here and talk to me. Oh
PocketSandy (05:39:06): Yeah. They started spreading shit about me.
PamHemphill79 (05:39:09): Let 'em come up and smear me. I love being smeared. I can't wait. Good luck.
PocketSandy (05:39:14): The light got turned on and the flies came.
PamHemphill79 (05:39:16): You make amends. Everybody's done things. They just don't want to look at themselves. That's all it is.
SpiderMike (05:39:25): You have a hand up? Yeah,
PamHemphill79 (05:39:26): Go ahead. B, I
SpiderMike (05:39:28): Don't know if you want me to be a co-host again. It'll probably drop me again. I don't know why it keeps dropping.
PamHemphill79 (05:39:32): Yeah, just stay here and know. You can talk when you want.
SpiderMike (05:39:36): Okay.
PamHemphill79 (05:39:37): You can call on the hands. Go ahead.
B.B (05:39:47): Alright, after. And this is not severe camp. This is just questioning talking. You said you was into alcohol and drug for 30 years and my thing is kind of seeing what's going on there, and I can't admit there is a few people down there that have issues with alcohol and such. After doing this for 30 years, how could you or have you tried to reach out to any of them and help 'em? And then how does it affect you mentally to sit and see some of these people and can see the road they're going down, drinking and stuff, and knowing that the drinking is kind of wrecking their life? I mean, I don't care what side you're on, being an alcoholic, it wrecks your life. That's my question is have you had tried to reach out to 'em? But we all know a person's got to want to help their self before they can take any help. But that was my question. Have you tried to reach out to any of 'em with your 30 years of experience helping people and tried to talk to 'em and tell 'em, Hey, you preached the way you want to preach, but you might need to lay off the alcohol and stuff. And that was kind of my question.PamHemphill79 (05:41:07): Yeah. Father Martin used to say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't get him to drink, but maybe we can get him thirsty. So the way I try to get people thirsty with recovery is just how they see me living. And another one is just plant seeds. But so what I do, people know if they want to go to a meeting, if I'm down there in Portland and they're having a problem, they can come with me. I'll take you, but I'm not going to ask you to go, but you know I'm in recovery. You'd come to me anytime you want. I'm not there to fix anybody. I can't. If I could fix my own kids, I would've done that. They would've been clean and sober. I can't get 'em sober. There's no magic wand. A person has to hit their own bottle at their own time. But I love you. If you're drinking are sober, it doesn't matter.(05:42:02)There was a lady that overdosed and then used that Narcan on and I went down there to the corner and see what I could do to help. Pretty bad. God, I hadn't seen that in a long time. I guess this ol, oh my God, oh my God. I just held her hand and I said, look at people love you. And I've been here, I've been on the ground with my alcohol, which is just as bad or worse than any drug. I know what it's like. I've been so drunk in bushes and couldn't get up, couldn't walk. I mean, I've been there. I know what it's like. You just love them. That's all you can do. We couldn't get her to go to the ambulance. We couldn't get 'em to go to that response team because legally they have to say they want to go. I kept praying.(05:42:55)I said, God, I hope you can get her to say she wants to go. I couldn't leave her there on the street. They have to leave them on the street. It tore me up. It tore me up. And all you could do is just put your hands. Where I come from, I don't see it anymore, but 12 step calls like this. If I had gone on, we would've put her in the car and paid for a hotel for a week. People keep wanting the government to do everything for her. You don't want to do it. You don't want to take a drunk from the street or an attic and get 'em over to a hotel and call the ambulance and see what you can do. We used to do that constantly. That was our 12 step calls. But still, when we never forced you, you had to want it because until you want it, there ain't damn thing I could do.(05:43:51)Nobody could do. But yeah. And I go to meetings so people there hear my story, they want to come and talk to me. I'll be there at two in the clock in the morning. If you don't want to take that first drink or that first hit, give me a call. I'll come get you and we'll have some coffee and we'll talk for a while. If it can get you through that night without taking that first one, I'm willing. But that's all I can be available for. I can't be calling you every day. You better stop drinking. You better not use. Oh my God. Then I'm playing God in people's lives. I needed every drink I had to get where I got. I'm not special. I hear people say, oh, by the grace of God I'm sober. No, no, nobody's special. I made a decision. This is the only difference. Do not drink again. And I asked for some help to do it, and I've been doing it now for 46 years, but I only do it for today. You told me I'd ever be sober 46 years. Oh my God. No way. I was afraid, but I thought if I could do it today, I could do it the next day and the next day. But I can't sober anybody out. I wish I got to be very wealthy. I
PocketSandy (05:45:15): Try to help people down there too. I'm sorry, I didn't know you weren't done talking.
PamHemphill79 (05:45:19): But see, like Bill w said, helping you helps me, helping that girl that night was keeping me. So because Bill w, after six months of not being able to get one person sober, that's the co-founder va, he was upset and his wife said, yeah, but you're sober. So I put my hand out, I'm available, whatever I can be, but helping me. When he, bill w went to Dr. Bob, he says physician, the second guy that got sober in the program, Dr. Bob said to Bill, what can you do for me? I've had psychiatrists, I've had people pray on me. Nobody's been able to help me. What the hell are you going to do to help me? He says, I'm not here to help you. I'm here to help me because helping other alcoholics keeps me. So it's kind of a self-centered way of looking at it, but it's a fact.
SpiderMike (05:46:22): I can see that
PamHemphill79 (05:46:23): He helped me more that night than I helped her because I got to recall all the days that I could not get to clean it sober. And I thought, oh my God, how am I here? I know it's possible for this lady. I know you can stay clean and sober because I've been there, but I can't convince anybody. Trust me, it's going to be so much better on this side. And if it wasn't, I would've been drunk a long time ago.
PocketSandy (05:46:55): What you down there? I try to just tell people my story. I don't try to tell 'em, you should do that. You should do this, you should whatever. I'm like, Hey, I recognize this thing that you're talking about and let me tell you my way of dealing that. And let me tell you how I dealt with that. And I'm done with a number of people and I try to be gentle and say, Hey, I know if somebody did this to me when I was in the depth of it, I might just throw away the whole thing. I might not be able to hear it. And if you don't hear it, I forgive you. But this is just my story. And I've had a number of those conversations that I do love the addicts that is still fucked up on drugs. It's hard to, sometimes I get that, but I see myself in that sometimes. And what if, you know what? I don't know that I have a lot of help, but honestly, but I mean,
PamHemphill79 (05:47:56): Well pocket too. We know these people Didn't say it. Age 13, I'm going to grow up and be an alcoholic. I'm going to grow up and be an addict. It's a disease, it's an illness. There's no cure for it. There's no cure. It's a daily reprieve contention on a maintenance of a spiritual program. That's it.
PocketSandy (05:48:17): We
PamHemphill79 (05:48:17): Can't save them. We can't fix them, and they can't. I can't fix me
PocketSandy (05:48:22): Am going to my meeting tomorrow and I really need to be there. I missed it on Monday of all this crazy shit.
PamHemphill79 (05:48:29): They have enough atheist anonymous, right?
PocketSandy (05:48:34): I've got a really good one. I got a really good one, but I was like, I think three's enough. But I did load up more than three, and I think that's too much. That's an obsession at that point. And maybe three is too much. Fucking one would be fine probably. But it emails me when I help people. Like what you said, that when you help people, you don't even know it's coming, but you're going to learn things about yourself. When you revisit those memories and you try to tell 'em your story and how you dealt with it and what helped you,
PamHemphill79 (05:49:06): You'rePocketSandy (05:49:06): Like, oh
PamHemphill79 (05:49:07): Shit.
PocketSandy (05:49:08): Wow. I didn't never connect these dots before. Wow. And it does help you. It helps you when you help somebody.
PamHemphill79 (05:49:13): You know why? Because we're self-centered and at least while we're helping somebody else, we're not thinking about ourselves because that's all we do is think about pour me me a drink. It is all about Pam and how she's being attacked and blah, blah, blah. Wait, there's other people that have a lot worse problems going on than I do. Right? You got to think about that. I have a lot to be grateful for.
PocketSandy (05:49:41): And I don't know that I was, I think there's a problem in Alcoholics Anonymous in recovery in general is like, okay, everybody is the same. If you say you don't struggle with this one thing or you weren't like this, when you're in the depths of your recovery, then you're just denying yourself and that shit. And I think I carried myself pretty throughout all my addiction other than just me being a fucking mess. And that was a hoot at weddings. People loved inviting me to weddings. My drunk ass. I could get everybody to dance in a giant circle and fucking do all kinds of wild shit. I was a good time when I was drunk. Sometimes asterisk sometimes, but other times it was a mess. And all on that too,
PamHemphill79 (05:50:30): Had alcohol coming out of my nose and I would still drink.
PocketSandy (05:50:33): Oh yeah. Oh yeah. When you wake up in the morning and you sweat smells like fucking vodka. It's like, oh,
SpiderMike (05:50:41): Been there.
PocketSandy (05:50:42): Yeah. Yep, yep. And I've dealt with my problems with alcohol before and it hasn't been good at that except for one time when I was just ready to fucking leave the earth and I've got coping skills so I don't have to fucking do that again. But I'm glad I did it. It was dangerous. It was very dangerous. My goal was to pass out every day. I didn't know how to get to the next day. I knew that I wasn't okay with living the way I was, and I only knew one way to shut my brain off and go to tomorrow. And I don't regret that. But most of the alcoholism or regret, and I could have died from that. I drank more than what was comfortable or fun. I just drank. The only purpose is to pass out on the floor and wake up and do it again. And I don't regret it. Most of the rest of it I do. But I think I was a really good person when I was fucking out of control drinking. I just was also not present in the times I should have been to help people.
PamHemphill79 (05:51:50): I dunno about you pocket, but the a world when we surround, when I was just go to meetings a lot and we live in a different world in the program, everybody's accepted, everybody. We tolerate each other. There's not very much hate. There's a lot of love and understanding and patience and tolerance. What we got to practice. And then I get out in the mega world, oh my God, all this hate. I started getting this hate. I started eating. I got up to, I'm 125, I've been down to 117, but I was 187 pounds. I was eating my feelings and I started noticing that I was changing. I'm not a person that hates people or gets mad or angry. I was working on all that, letting that go and not let people get on my skin. I was in the program, I'm working the program. They say work the program, and I still feel like I'm in the wrong world. And many times I wanted to stop this because I don't know how to deal with all this hate that people have. I really don't. They don't work on it. They live off of it. I mean, if it wasn't for Tommy out there doing his violence and his putting people down, it's sad to know how many people watch that shit. It bothers me that they're enjoying it. The drama and the hate and the anger and the violence. It's sad.
PocketSandy (05:53:20): Yeah. I will say I stopped doing aa. I go to different kinds of shit. It does. The people in my group, we all kind of fucking hate a lot of the things in aa, but the one that really pisses me the fuck off is this sentiment that if you relapse, you lost your recovery. No.
PocketSandy (05:53:38): And
PocketSandy (05:53:39): I'm just like, fuck that. Every single day I was sober. I'm owning it and you can't tell me I lost it. And there's a bunch of those where it just doesn't, one recovery journey will fit for one person and not fit for the other. And I'm kind of done with aa. I've been to fucking 5,000 of those meetings in my life and started drinking as a young kid.
PocketSandy (05:54:04): And
PocketSandy (05:54:05): By the time I was in high school, I got put in sober school and I was going to AA meetings and fucking 16 years old. Fucking, this has just been my fucking life and this is what it is. I'm more in control now than I ever have been. I've had a handful of nights since 2022 since that I actually slipped up and I don't know, alcohol doesn't really, I can't get drunk. I used to, and that fucking was like maybe a lifesaver, but I'm pissed off. Somebody took alcohol from me still, and I know that's a fucked up thought.
piderMike (05:34:09): Yeah. Yes it does.
PamHemphill79 (05:34:12): And twist it. Yeah. And don't know the facts. What if they found out that somebody made me look like a fraud and I had to sue 'em? See, they don't know the stories behind it. They just put the story up.
PocketSandy (05:34:29): Have you seen what Dear Patriot posted on your own fucking space? This is wild. This is, it is what it is. This is fucking insane. Oh, go ahead. This is insanity.
PamHemphill79 (05:34:40): What?P
ocketSandy (05:34:43): I don't know regularly insights, violence, invades women's spaces, use trail of voice, got to stay away from fucking children and all this fucking what? Clear danger to society. This weird thing. A lot of these videos are just super out of context and quite literally, some of 'em are actually MAGA people that they're calling leftists. And that's fucking weird.
SpiderMike (05:35:07): Is it in
PocketSandy (05:35:08): The purple
SpiderMike (05:35:08): Pill?
PocketSandy (05:35:10): Oh,
SpiderMike (05:35:10): Okay, okay.
PocketSandy (05:35:11): I
SpiderMike (05:35:11): Wasn't paying attention.
PocketSandy (05:35:12)There's a bunch of trash on there, but I honestly, I just fucking, I don't know that I'm kind of with you Pamela, lot of shit. If anything, I am stirring the pot just to be like, fuck all of you. But I was before this attack happened to me, but truly this bear ma thing that I get, some of y'all don't fucking believe it, and I got a video and shit on. You'll see things are going to be revealed. But I honestly do think that was leftist. I honestly do. Somebody fucking said some wild shit to me after it happened. I deserved it. And everything's going into question right now. So let me figure it all out. That's everybody and all sides and everything between. Lemme just figure it out. Give me information if you give a shit. But nobody's really right on much of anything, just spreading a bunch of lies around and where there's no information, there's inferences, and then people actually believe them. People are conditioned a propaganda and it just is what it is. Just try to, I don't know. Let's just try to fucking get through this. I don't know. Well,
PamHemphill79 (05:36:26): Let me,
PocketSandy (05:36:26): I'm just demoralized and quite literally, I think I really just want to address a few things. When I got here and I got sucked in and now I'm saying shit that might
PamHemphill79 (05:36:34): Make me less safe. See what he just did. This is what they do. This has been explained. I'm telling you, I can't tell you, but three years how much I am tired of trying to, if I debugged it and gave him the facts behind what he tried to accuse me of, you think it'd be gone right now, right?
PocketSandy (05:37:00): Yeah.
PamHemphill79 (05:37:01): That's what I'm finding out. They're holding onto it no matter what. So it wouldn't matter if I explained it again. I would have to be explaining this for the next 20 years. I'm not going to do it.
PocketSandy (05:37:14): You
PamHemphill79 (05:37:15): Know what I'm saying?
PocketSandy (05:37:16): I'm feeling that on the left too. Right Now's
PamHemphill79 (05:37:18): Is their MO, they want to destroy you integrity and shut your mouth down and it's not going to work with me. Sorry. You guys try something better. Well, they do make up a whole bunch of crap when it's mostly truth. I'll sit and explain again. It might be new people in here, but oh my God, don't get me at 1230 in the morning
PocketSandy (05:37:49): When you don't release content and you do the work that I do, it really does turn into this and that's just what it is. So I guess hold your peace. I'm going to go stand back around there for a minute and then jet the fuck out. And then you're going to hear the full length version of my thoughts. And you might be surprised, you might not. Who the fuck knows? But a lot of this shit, your fucking precious receipts. And honestly, I think people are going to be gunning for me a lot more on either side after speaking in this space. And am I a fucking idiot for being here? It's wild. I am a fucking idiot. I really am. I'm tone deaf and stupid. When I'm good at speaking on one things, some things I'm really fucking good when I'm not. I'm really fucking not. And I'm going to own that. I'm a fucking mess sometimes and sometimes I'm powerful.
PamHemphill79 (05:38:46): They can't stand that because when people are honest, they can't stand it. They'll never admit when they're messed up. They're perfect anyway. They don't
PocketSandy (05:38:55): Trust it.
PamHemphill79 (05:38:55): Yeah. Anyway, you notice how many listeners there are? Let's see.
SpiderMike (05:39:02): I see that.
PamHemphill79 (05:39:03): Oh my god. Chicken shits once. Don't you come up here and talk to me. Oh
PocketSandy (05:39:06): Yeah. They started spreading shit about me.
PamHemphill79 (05:39:09): Let 'em come up and smear me. I love being smeared. I can't wait. Good luck.
PocketSandy (05:39:14): The light got turned on and the flies came.
PamHemphill79 (05:39:16): You make amends. Everybody's done things. They just don't want to look at themselves. That's all it is.
SpiderMike (05:39:25): You have a hand up? Yeah,
PamHemphill79 (05:39:26): Go ahead. B, I
SpiderMike (05:39:28): Don't know if you want me to be a co-host again. It'll probably drop me again. I don't know why it keeps dropping.
PamHemphill79 (05:39:32): Yeah, just stay here and know. You can talk when you want.
SpiderMike (05:39:36): Okay.
PamHemphill79 (05:39:37): You can call on the hands. Go ahead.
B.B (05:39:47): Alright, after. And this is not severe camp. This is just questioning talking. You said you was into alcohol and drug for 30 years and my thing is kind of seeing what's going on there, and I can't admit there is a few people down there that have issues with alcohol and such. After doing this for 30 years, how could you or have you tried to reach out to any of them and help 'em? And then how does it affect you mentally to sit and see some of these people and can see the road they're going down, drinking and stuff, and knowing that the drinking is kind of wrecking their life? I mean, I don't care what side you're on, being an alcoholic, it wrecks your life. That's my question is have you had tried to reach out to 'em? But we all know a person's got to want to help their self before they can take any help. But that was my question. Have you tried to reach out to any of 'em with your 30 years of experience helping people and tried to talk to 'em and tell 'em, Hey, you preached the way you want to preach, but you might need to lay off the alcohol and stuff. And that was kind of my question.PamHemphill79 (05:41:07): Yeah. Father Martin used to say, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't get him to drink, but maybe we can get him thirsty. So the way I try to get people thirsty with recovery is just how they see me living. And another one is just plant seeds. But so what I do, people know if they want to go to a meeting, if I'm down there in Portland and they're having a problem, they can come with me. I'll take you, but I'm not going to ask you to go, but you know I'm in recovery. You'd come to me anytime you want. I'm not there to fix anybody. I can't. If I could fix my own kids, I would've done that. They would've been clean and sober. I can't get 'em sober. There's no magic wand. A person has to hit their own bottle at their own time. But I love you. If you're drinking are sober, it doesn't matter.(05:42:02)There was a lady that overdosed and then used that Narcan on and I went down there to the corner and see what I could do to help. Pretty bad. God, I hadn't seen that in a long time. I guess this ol, oh my God, oh my God. I just held her hand and I said, look at people love you. And I've been here, I've been on the ground with my alcohol, which is just as bad or worse than any drug. I know what it's like. I've been so drunk in bushes and couldn't get up, couldn't walk. I mean, I've been there. I know what it's like. You just love them. That's all you can do. We couldn't get her to go to the ambulance. We couldn't get 'em to go to that response team because legally they have to say they want to go. I kept praying.(05:42:55)I said, God, I hope you can get her to say she wants to go. I couldn't leave her there on the street. They have to leave them on the street. It tore me up. It tore me up. And all you could do is just put your hands. Where I come from, I don't see it anymore, but 12 step calls like this. If I had gone on, we would've put her in the car and paid for a hotel for a week. People keep wanting the government to do everything for her. You don't want to do it. You don't want to take a drunk from the street or an attic and get 'em over to a hotel and call the ambulance and see what you can do. We used to do that constantly. That was our 12 step calls. But still, when we never forced you, you had to want it because until you want it, there ain't damn thing I could do.(05:43:51)Nobody could do. But yeah. And I go to meetings so people there hear my story, they want to come and talk to me. I'll be there at two in the clock in the morning. If you don't want to take that first drink or that first hit, give me a call. I'll come get you and we'll have some coffee and we'll talk for a while. If it can get you through that night without taking that first one, I'm willing. But that's all I can be available for. I can't be calling you every day. You better stop drinking. You better not use. Oh my God. Then I'm playing God in people's lives. I needed every drink I had to get where I got. I'm not special. I hear people say, oh, by the grace of God I'm sober. No, no, nobody's special. I made a decision. This is the only difference. Do not drink again. And I asked for some help to do it, and I've been doing it now for 46 years, but I only do it for today. You told me I'd ever be sober 46 years. Oh my God. No way. I was afraid, but I thought if I could do it today, I could do it the next day and the next day. But I can't sober anybody out. I wish I got to be very wealthy. I
PocketSandy (05:45:15): Try to help people down there too. I'm sorry, I didn't know you weren't done talking.
PamHemphill79 (05:45:19): But see, like Bill w said, helping you helps me, helping that girl that night was keeping me. So because Bill w, after six months of not being able to get one person sober, that's the co-founder va, he was upset and his wife said, yeah, but you're sober. So I put my hand out, I'm available, whatever I can be, but helping me. When he, bill w went to Dr. Bob, he says physician, the second guy that got sober in the program, Dr. Bob said to Bill, what can you do for me? I've had psychiatrists, I've had people pray on me. Nobody's been able to help me. What the hell are you going to do to help me? He says, I'm not here to help you. I'm here to help me because helping other alcoholics keeps me. So it's kind of a self-centered way of looking at it, but it's a fact.
SpiderMike (05:46:22): I can see that
PamHemphill79 (05:46:23): He helped me more that night than I helped her because I got to recall all the days that I could not get to clean it sober. And I thought, oh my God, how am I here? I know it's possible for this lady. I know you can stay clean and sober because I've been there, but I can't convince anybody. Trust me, it's going to be so much better on this side. And if it wasn't, I would've been drunk a long time ago.
PocketSandy (05:46:55): What you down there? I try to just tell people my story. I don't try to tell 'em, you should do that. You should do this, you should whatever. I'm like, Hey, I recognize this thing that you're talking about and let me tell you my way of dealing that. And let me tell you how I dealt with that. And I'm done with a number of people and I try to be gentle and say, Hey, I know if somebody did this to me when I was in the depth of it, I might just throw away the whole thing. I might not be able to hear it. And if you don't hear it, I forgive you. But this is just my story. And I've had a number of those conversations that I do love the addicts that is still fucked up on drugs. It's hard to, sometimes I get that, but I see myself in that sometimes. And what if, you know what? I don't know that I have a lot of help, but honestly, but I mean,
PamHemphill79 (05:47:56): Well pocket too. We know these people Didn't say it. Age 13, I'm going to grow up and be an alcoholic. I'm going to grow up and be an addict. It's a disease, it's an illness. There's no cure for it. There's no cure. It's a daily reprieve contention on a maintenance of a spiritual program. That's it.
PocketSandy (05:48:17): We
PamHemphill79 (05:48:17): Can't save them. We can't fix them, and they can't. I can't fix me
PocketSandy (05:48:22): Am going to my meeting tomorrow and I really need to be there. I missed it on Monday of all this crazy shit.
PamHemphill79 (05:48:29): They have enough atheist anonymous, right?
PocketSandy (05:48:34): I've got a really good one. I got a really good one, but I was like, I think three's enough. But I did load up more than three, and I think that's too much. That's an obsession at that point. And maybe three is too much. Fucking one would be fine probably. But it emails me when I help people. Like what you said, that when you help people, you don't even know it's coming, but you're going to learn things about yourself. When you revisit those memories and you try to tell 'em your story and how you dealt with it and what helped you,
PamHemphill79 (05:49:06): You'rePocketSandy (05:49:06): Like, oh
PamHemphill79 (05:49:07): Shit.
PocketSandy (05:49:08): Wow. I didn't never connect these dots before. Wow. And it does help you. It helps you when you help somebody.
PamHemphill79 (05:49:13): You know why? Because we're self-centered and at least while we're helping somebody else, we're not thinking about ourselves because that's all we do is think about pour me me a drink. It is all about Pam and how she's being attacked and blah, blah, blah. Wait, there's other people that have a lot worse problems going on than I do. Right? You got to think about that. I have a lot to be grateful for.
PocketSandy (05:49:41): And I don't know that I was, I think there's a problem in Alcoholics Anonymous in recovery in general is like, okay, everybody is the same. If you say you don't struggle with this one thing or you weren't like this, when you're in the depths of your recovery, then you're just denying yourself and that shit. And I think I carried myself pretty throughout all my addiction other than just me being a fucking mess. And that was a hoot at weddings. People loved inviting me to weddings. My drunk ass. I could get everybody to dance in a giant circle and fucking do all kinds of wild shit. I was a good time when I was drunk. Sometimes asterisk sometimes, but other times it was a mess. And all on that too,
PamHemphill79 (05:50:30): Had alcohol coming out of my nose and I would still drink.
PocketSandy (05:50:33): Oh yeah. Oh yeah. When you wake up in the morning and you sweat smells like fucking vodka. It's like, oh,
SpiderMike (05:50:41): Been there.
PocketSandy (05:50:42): Yeah. Yep, yep. And I've dealt with my problems with alcohol before and it hasn't been good at that except for one time when I was just ready to fucking leave the earth and I've got coping skills so I don't have to fucking do that again. But I'm glad I did it. It was dangerous. It was very dangerous. My goal was to pass out every day. I didn't know how to get to the next day. I knew that I wasn't okay with living the way I was, and I only knew one way to shut my brain off and go to tomorrow. And I don't regret that. But most of the alcoholism or regret, and I could have died from that. I drank more than what was comfortable or fun. I just drank. The only purpose is to pass out on the floor and wake up and do it again. And I don't regret it. Most of the rest of it I do. But I think I was a really good person when I was fucking out of control drinking. I just was also not present in the times I should have been to help people.
PamHemphill79 (05:51:50): I dunno about you pocket, but the a world when we surround, when I was just go to meetings a lot and we live in a different world in the program, everybody's accepted, everybody. We tolerate each other. There's not very much hate. There's a lot of love and understanding and patience and tolerance. What we got to practice. And then I get out in the mega world, oh my God, all this hate. I started getting this hate. I started eating. I got up to, I'm 125, I've been down to 117, but I was 187 pounds. I was eating my feelings and I started noticing that I was changing. I'm not a person that hates people or gets mad or angry. I was working on all that, letting that go and not let people get on my skin. I was in the program, I'm working the program. They say work the program, and I still feel like I'm in the wrong world. And many times I wanted to stop this because I don't know how to deal with all this hate that people have. I really don't. They don't work on it. They live off of it. I mean, if it wasn't for Tommy out there doing his violence and his putting people down, it's sad to know how many people watch that shit. It bothers me that they're enjoying it. The drama and the hate and the anger and the violence. It's sad.
PocketSandy (05:53:20): Yeah. I will say I stopped doing aa. I go to different kinds of shit. It does. The people in my group, we all kind of fucking hate a lot of the things in aa, but the one that really pisses me the fuck off is this sentiment that if you relapse, you lost your recovery. No.
PocketSandy (05:53:38): And
PocketSandy (05:53:39): I'm just like, fuck that. Every single day I was sober. I'm owning it and you can't tell me I lost it. And there's a bunch of those where it just doesn't, one recovery journey will fit for one person and not fit for the other. And I'm kind of done with aa. I've been to fucking 5,000 of those meetings in my life and started drinking as a young kid.
PocketSandy (05:54:04): And
PocketSandy (05:54:05): By the time I was in high school, I got put in sober school and I was going to AA meetings and fucking 16 years old. Fucking, this has just been my fucking life and this is what it is. I'm more in control now than I ever have been. I've had a handful of nights since 2022 since that I actually slipped up and I don't know, alcohol doesn't really, I can't get drunk. I used to, and that fucking was like maybe a lifesaver, but I'm pissed off. Somebody took alcohol from me still, and I know that's a fucked up thought.
PamHemphill79 (05:54:45): Thank you. We've got two hands. We're going to go to them real quick. I'd like to talk to you some more on this because let's do that. I'm not like today, I'm the old school. I don't.(05:54:58)I do tough love and it doesn't exist anymore. I love you enough to tell you the truth, the facts, no matter what, because when I didn't and the person committed suicide, I wish I had told them something that they needed to hear, but I didn't because I didn't want to hurt their feelings. But I'll hurt your feelings. I don't want to see you die. I don't know if that makes sense. It was those people that went hard on me. I said, I'm never going back to a, I was in and out of the program for four years. I went to AA when I was 23 and I sobered up when I was 27. That's when I had my last drink, August 10th, 1979. But I said, I ain't going back to those fuckers and blah, blah, blah. But when I got clean that day and something turned around, those were the people I looked for.(05:55:48)I listened. I started saying, I don't have all the answers. I'd go in there with 30 days sobriety thinking I was going to tell people how wonderful it was, and then I'd drink again. I had to learn to listen and get rid of the ego. It's hard for alcoholics or addicts to get rid of their ego. I mean edging God out because you can't tell us what to do. You ain't never going to tell us what to do, but I wanted you to tell me what to do so I knew something changed. Anyway, go ahead, TikTok.
TickTock (05:56:27): Hey, Pam. Sorry. I was running really, really far behind and had a friend that went through a tragedy tonight. Oh
PamHemphill79 (05:56:33): No. Are they all right?
TickTock (05:56:35): Yeah, he's okay. His roommate passed away and he found the body. Oh
PamHemphill79 (05:56:41): No, I'm
TickTock (05:56:42): So sorry. Yeah, it's kind of got him a little messed up tonight. Oh, wow.(05:56:47)Yeah, I was on the phone with him for the whole night just trying to make sure he was okay. And that's pretty traumatizing when you come home and you don't expect it. So yeah, I was with him helping out. I tuned in for a little bit of the space while we were in between phone calls, but I got to hear some of the stuff that you and Sandy talked about. And Sandy, I'm glad you're out of the hospital and doing better. And it was good to hear your voice and hear that you're doing okay and upbeat, and I hear a lot of the angst and frustration and your voice about everything. So I just want you to know we're on your side, all the support in the world, and just glad that you're out of the hospital and you're doing okay. So I didn't really have very much to say, but I just wanted to pop in, just like I said, running late. And if you could just take the crap down that's going up on the billboard. Conspirator, retard, retard. Oh yeah. Conspirator decided to post a clearer picture up there in the billboard. So just anytime you see that pop up there,
PamHemphill79 (05:57:49): Just go ahead. I can't seem to get it down for I'm going to try.
PocketSandy (05:57:52): Well, that's an AI image of me holding a fucking rifle an A-frame, and I would never buy an A-frame. Fucking ar. What the fuck? I'm not that fucking poor. Yeah, Sandy, you know what? I am that poor, but I'm too bougie for that shit, Todd.
TickTock (05:58:07): When you get upset about people down there, just remember the people that are doing this to you using AI to do that to you. It's fucked up. And the sad thing is I've always given Patrick a lot of respect because I've never seen him do anything or say anything down there. I've heard stories about him. They're pretty shitty stories about him, but this little shot that he took, yeah, that was just pretty fucked up, Patrick. I hope you know that. So I may not be a co-host right now, but I will be a co-host eventually again soon. Shit like this gets remembered. Just
SpiderMike (05:58:44): I missed that. I missed that. I mean, little wow. Patty Tar. There was a little upset that we had to drop him.
PamHemphill79 (05:58:52): I just blocked him. You know what?
PocketSandy (05:58:53): I would never
PamHemphill79 (05:58:54): Have
PocketSandy (05:58:54): An
PamHemphill79 (05:58:54): SVR,
PocketSandy (05:58:55): Especially when Trump
PamHemphill79 (05:58:56): Is president. I just blocked his ass
.PocketSandy (05:58:58): Sorry.
PamHemphill79 (05:58:58): That is going over the line and I'm getting sick of it, and I'm going to draw 'em. I'm going to make some boundaries. Remember the, I can't get that down, but I blocked, what's his name, conservator or whatever. What's his name?
SpiderMike (05:59:14): He must have lost his real account because it used to be conspirator Don. Don Uppi. Heard, done.
PocketSandy (05:59:21): I think it's upsetting as it is for me as it is for us. You, but I would like to also talk on it and not just everybody
PamHemphill79 (05:59:28): Else. Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait. I've got to remember, we've spent a lot of time. I've got to give other people chat, but I need help. TikTok, if I made you co-host, can you get up there and take that down? I can't get it down.
TickTock (05:59:43): I've never taken anything down off of there, but I know there is the ability,
PamHemphill79 (05:59:50): I guess. Oh, there it is. It's gone. It's talking about gone the shit. It's gone. But P, hold on. We got to let other people talk. Okay.
TickTock (05:56:27): Hey, Pam. Sorry. I was running really, really far behind and had a friend that went through a tragedy tonight. Oh
PamHemphill79 (05:56:33): No. Are they all right?
TickTock (05:56:35): Yeah, he's okay. His roommate passed away and he found the body. Oh
PamHemphill79 (05:56:41): No, I'm
TickTock (05:56:42): So sorry. Yeah, it's kind of got him a little messed up tonight. Oh, wow.(05:56:47)Yeah, I was on the phone with him for the whole night just trying to make sure he was okay. And that's pretty traumatizing when you come home and you don't expect it. So yeah, I was with him helping out. I tuned in for a little bit of the space while we were in between phone calls, but I got to hear some of the stuff that you and Sandy talked about. And Sandy, I'm glad you're out of the hospital and doing better. And it was good to hear your voice and hear that you're doing okay and upbeat, and I hear a lot of the angst and frustration and your voice about everything. So I just want you to know we're on your side, all the support in the world, and just glad that you're out of the hospital and you're doing okay. So I didn't really have very much to say, but I just wanted to pop in, just like I said, running late. And if you could just take the crap down that's going up on the billboard. Conspirator, retard, retard. Oh yeah. Conspirator decided to post a clearer picture up there in the billboard. So just anytime you see that pop up there,
PamHemphill79 (05:57:49): Just go ahead. I can't seem to get it down for I'm going to try.
PocketSandy (05:57:52): Well, that's an AI image of me holding a fucking rifle an A-frame, and I would never buy an A-frame. Fucking ar. What the fuck? I'm not that fucking poor. Yeah, Sandy, you know what? I am that poor, but I'm too bougie for that shit, Todd.
TickTock (05:58:07): When you get upset about people down there, just remember the people that are doing this to you using AI to do that to you. It's fucked up. And the sad thing is I've always given Patrick a lot of respect because I've never seen him do anything or say anything down there. I've heard stories about him. They're pretty shitty stories about him, but this little shot that he took, yeah, that was just pretty fucked up, Patrick. I hope you know that. So I may not be a co-host right now, but I will be a co-host eventually again soon. Shit like this gets remembered. Just
SpiderMike (05:58:44): I missed that. I missed that. I mean, little wow. Patty Tar. There was a little upset that we had to drop him.
PamHemphill79 (05:58:52): I just blocked him. You know what?
PocketSandy (05:58:53): I would never
PamHemphill79 (05:58:54): Have
PocketSandy (05:58:54): An
PamHemphill79 (05:58:54): SVR,
PocketSandy (05:58:55): Especially when Trump
PamHemphill79 (05:58:56): Is president. I just blocked his ass
.PocketSandy (05:58:58): Sorry.
PamHemphill79 (05:58:58): That is going over the line and I'm getting sick of it, and I'm going to draw 'em. I'm going to make some boundaries. Remember the, I can't get that down, but I blocked, what's his name, conservator or whatever. What's his name?
SpiderMike (05:59:14): He must have lost his real account because it used to be conspirator Don. Don Uppi. Heard, done.
PocketSandy (05:59:21): I think it's upsetting as it is for me as it is for us. You, but I would like to also talk on it and not just everybody
PamHemphill79 (05:59:28): Else. Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait. I've got to remember, we've spent a lot of time. I've got to give other people chat, but I need help. TikTok, if I made you co-host, can you get up there and take that down? I can't get it down.
TickTock (05:59:43): I've never taken anything down off of there, but I know there is the ability,
PamHemphill79 (05:59:50): I guess. Oh, there it is. It's gone. It's talking about gone the shit. It's gone. But P, hold on. We got to let other people talk. Okay.
PocketSandy (05:59:57): It hurts. No, it hurts when everybody has the time to talk on the thing that affects me and I don't get to fucking talk on it.
PamHemphill79 (06:00:03): What the fuck? I've been on here for two hours winter.
PocketSandy (06:00:06): Oh,
PamHemphill79 (06:00:06): Hold on.
PocketSandy (06:00:07): Yeah, I've been fucking addressed that much time. And the heat.
PamHemphill79 (06:00:09): Hold on, just hold on for a
PocketSandy (06:00:11): Minute. I know I'm pissed off at that. I'm sorry, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (06:00:14): I love
PocketSandy (06:00:14): You, but what
PamHemphill79 (06:00:15): The fuck? They do that to me all the time. I'm just, whatever. They had me kissing risk, Richard,
PocketSandy (06:00:21): Do it to me then.
PamHemphill79 (06:00:22): Well, what do you want to say about it?
PocketSandy (06:00:25): We would've already been done hearing me. There's more words to shut me the fuck up than to just hear me. Fuck God. Damnit. I don't fucking know. I don't know. I hate to, I have to fight to just speak
PamHemphill79 (06:00:38): On thing. Everybody's
PocketSandy (06:00:40): Speaking on that affects
PamHemphill79 (06:00:40): Me more than everybody else.
PocketSandy (06:00:42): It's just driving me fucking insane.
PamHemphill79 (06:00:43): Hold on.
PocketSandy (06:00:44): Whatever. I would never, I got to
PamHemphill79 (06:00:46): Fucking everybody
PocketSandy (06:00:47): When Trump is president because he's fighting.
TickTock (06:00:50): Talking over Pam.
PocketSandy (06:00:52): Yeah, no. Okay. Yep. Everybody talk about me?
TickTock (06:00:55): No, we're on your side, but just let Pam say what she's got to say.
PamHemphill79 (06:01:00): Well, right now I don't see any hands, so if nobody has a hand up, go ahead and talk. Okay.
TickTock (06:01:06): I know people are requesting to come up.
PamHemphill79 (06:01:10): Yeah, the little lion captain here. Hi, Mike. Are you ready for this one?
TickTock (06:01:21): Did you want to make me co-host and I'll start calling people up?]
PamHemphill79 (06:01:24): God damnit.
SpiderMike (06:01:27): Yeah. Yeah, take TikTok off. Like I said, for some reason my ex is, I had to restart. I had to clear a bunch of shit. Anyways, there we go. They said that there's a bug. There's a bug on my side. So go ahead.
Jerome (Jerry) (06:01:41): Hello, Pam, can you hear me okay?
PamHemphill79 (06:01:44): Yes, I do. I think,
Jerome (Jerry) (06:01:47): Hey, I just wonder if we can reminisce about the first time I met you back at the Long Wolf Hub about seven, eight months ago.
PamHemphill79 (06:01:57): A what club?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:02:00): The Lone Wolf Hub here in South Portland.
PamHemphill79 (06:02:07): What is that? What is that,
TickTock (06:02:10): Pam?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:02:11): You were drinking beer with me? We were talking to Chris. Remember talking to Chris who was leaving for back to California, and it was his last day there.
PamHemphill79 (06:02:30): You guys know he is just making this shit up, right?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:02:34): Oh, well
SpiderMike (06:02:34): He said you were drinking a beer, so I know that that's bullshit.
Jerome (Jerry) (06:02:38): Well, no. She was drinking a beer with me and
SpiderMike (06:02:42): Well, I remember seeing you down at ember's and you were wearing Aless chaps. Do you remember that?
PamHemphill79 (06:02:46): You know what? You
SpiderMike (06:02:47): Come down. I gave you a date on that.
PamHemphill79 (06:02:49): If you ever come down to Portland, maybe I should do a lawsuit on you, because I've got so many witnesses that know everything I did every day where I was.
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:00): Yeah. I can tell you the day when Chris left,
PamHemphill79 (06:03:03): You
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:03): Better watch what you putting out there,
PamHemphill79 (06:03:04): Dear. You just stopped
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:05): Your mind. You were drinking beer with Chris and I sat there for a while, and then once,
PamHemphill79 (06:03:11): Yeah. And you were raping a girl on the street. How does that feel?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:14): Introduced yourself. How does that
PamHemphill79 (06:03:16): Feel?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:17): After
PamHemphill79 (06:03:18): You were raping some girl on the street? Now I'm lying. How does that feel?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:22): Walked away when I was on the street car and you couldn't stand the fact that I was on the street car with you, but you did tell me about your time in the Peace Corps. Let's hear more about the time you're Peace Corps and those black hunks.
PamHemphill79 (06:03:39): Why? I am letting you stay here and listen to your crap. I don't know.
TickTock (06:03:43): Well, what I want to know, Jerry, what I want to know,
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:46): Bit more honest,
TickTock (06:03:48): Jerry.
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:49): Jerry alcoholism, because I am an alcoholic and that's, you're a liar. The L wolf,
PamHemphill79 (06:03:57): Mike
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:57): Didn't
PamHemphill79 (06:03:58): Hurt you
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:58): That Jerome or Jerry,
PamHemphill79 (06:04:02): You know that you lied about Mike hurting you. You got everybody to buy your little fooder or whatever it's called. We know. We know. He lied.
TickTock (06:04:17): I specifically remember Jerry's sitting in his apartment with Portland, Andy getting drunk in Portland, Andy, or no, he was in Portland. Andy's chat, and he was going down the medical list of what had happened with a scooter that he had sprained, I think a sprained elbow or sprained shoulder. And he hit his head and got a concussion. But then later he was trying to tell people that his arm was broken yet no cast. So I mean,
PamHemphill79 (06:04:45): Yeah. Did you see that x-ray? It wasn't even his arm. Yeah,
TickTock (06:04:48): That's what I'd heard too, that he posted a different X-ray that wasn't even his,
PamHemphill79 (06:04:52): He must have written all this down. Somebody said, let's write this down and go in there and say this to everybody.
TickTock (06:04:58): Yeah, I mean, I get that he was injured. That's an unfortunate incident, but he kind of embellished on it and everybody knows that the whole thing, he probably got coached down there by the Patriots. Hey, you can get a lot of money out of this. Just make your injuries worse than they actually were. Yeah, it was unfortunate he was injured. I'm sorry he was, but the thing is,
PamHemphill79 (06:05:20): Yeah, he ran into Mike though.TickTock (06:05:22): Yeah, just no credibility. I mean, the guy has no credibility. So Jerry, what I would like to have, because you're making this claim across all of the different streamers channels, is I would love to see a receipt. If you're going to come in and tell people that you saw her or you drank with her, then
PamHemphill79 (06:05:38): Don't go there. TikTok. I don't give a shit.
TickTock (06:05:40): Yeah, well, I mean,
PamHemphill79 (06:05:42): I know
TickTock (06:05:42): It's just pure discrediting and you can tell it
PamHemphill79 (06:05:45): Doesn't
TickTock (06:05:45): Discredit.
PamHemphill79 (06:05:46): It
TickTock (06:05:46): Was
SpiderMike (06:05:46): Pretty specific too. He was like naming the tavern or something like that. South Portland many
PamHemphill79 (06:05:51): Times. Spider Mike, have you ever spilled alcohol on me ever? Or smoked pot?
SpiderMike (06:05:56): No, never. Never. And I believe that you've been sober since, well, how many years? 47?
PamHemphill79 (06:06:06): Yeah, in August. It'd be 47.
SpiderMike (06:06:08): Yeah, 47 years. And for him to come up, I mean, he's probably already had two half racks, but he comes up here with his mentality, which is one can short of a six pack, in my opinion. But yeah, get out of here. Jerry.
PamHemphill79 (06:06:28): What if I said I saw him raping a woman? Would he like that?
SpiderMike (06:06:32): Oh, well see, that's the thing. It's just, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you know me, I could make up all kinds of stuff, but that's why I said I remember back in the day in the nineties, I spent a lot of time down at Amber's, at the Amber's Club, which is now, it's called something else. But yeah, the Amber's Club, which was a gay club. And I would go there with a bunch of my friends, and we usually end up there after hitting all the nightclubs because they were open until four and they played really good music and we would dance. So I remember seeing Jerry down there. So about 30 years ago, you remember Jerry, you and your assless chaps. You remember that you had a leather hat on
PamHemphill79 (06:07:18): Spider Mike.
SpiderMike (06:07:19): I'm just saying, I remember seeing him down there.
PamHemphill79 (06:07:22): He was a good dancer.
SpiderMike (06:07:23): He was a really good dancer.
PamHemphill79 (06:07:25): You had to know me as an alcoholic. I would never have, I don't drink beer anyway, but I wouldn't have one beer
SpiderMike (06:07:32): Give
PamHemphill79 (06:07:32): Me a break. Maybe a six pack. Well, more. I take that first drink, I'm gone. I don't know how to stop. There's no way you're going to stop me. And I was laughing right off the bat. Would be in deep shit with, anyway, we know he is full of shit.
TickTock (06:07:50): Yeah, I mean, I know enough alcoholics to know that whenever they fall off the wagon, they feel horrible about it. And Pam, you don't have a single moment that you've ever talked about falling off the wagon. So you've been pretty adamant that you've been, you said 46 or 47 years sober. You've never had once had a moment where you said, there's been times that I've faltered and climbed back up on the horse. So it's like, I'm sure you have enough pride and enough modesty to be able to admit that if that happened. So yeah, his little story is like, you can just tell it's just full of shit.
PamHemphill79 (06:08:26): Well, I was in and out of the program and I'm taking this lady to a meeting. I think I was sober a couple months. That's the most I could ever do. She pulls out a joint, right? Well, we called them joints back then. I dunno what you call it. She pulls this joint out. She says, we're going to an A meeting. We're not going to marijuana or drugs. I said, you're right. Give me a hit. So we're smoking pot on the way to a meeting and I go to the meeting and then some people came and talk to me afterwards. It is not just alcohol. And she says, you need to get honest. Go in there and tell people you relapse. I thought, oh, embarrassing. So I went in, I said, yeah, I've been smoking pot and I got so much help that night. I've had my relapses. I pray I never have another one. I hope by the grace of God, I mean I might as well commit suicide for me to drink again. I'm gone my age. I'd be dead in a month. I'm sure. I'm pretty sure.
TickTock (06:09:31): Is there a glitch on the spaces tonight? Because you've got over 300 people that are listening right now.
PamHemphill79 (06:09:38): No, I know.TickTock (06:09:39): I don't know if that's legit. It looks like it is, butSpiderMike (06:09:43): I got a couple warnings or notices from X saying that there was a bug and earlier it me like five times in a row. So yeah, I don't know what's going on.
TickTock (06:09:54): Yeah, I know that artsy is trying to come up, looks like, but I don't see any hands, so I'm wondering if people raising their hands or not being called on because there's some kind of a bug. But I've invited Archie several times to come and speak, but
PocketSandy (06:10:11): My hand's up, but I'm not a person. You want that and I'm really happy for you. You get to address the propaganda. I didn't. Yep. This is a propaganda machine. This space right here is a fucking property in a machine against Against me and not you.
PamHemphill79 (06:10:24): I love that. Can you hear me? Do you want that? That's up there. No, you could keep talking, but I'm asking you a question. Do you want that post? Put that up there.
PocketSandy (06:10:34): I don't fucking know. I don't know.
PamHemphill79 (06:10:35): I'm fucking take it down.
PocketSandy (06:10:37): I'm just have an announcement. I'm not a fucking human. That's the announcement. I don't fucking know. I just
PamHemphill79 (06:10:43): No. Well, if you put it up, I wasn't going to take it down
PocketSandy (06:10:46): I didn't
TickTock (06:10:47): Put no. That was Patriot something Patriot.
PocketSandy (06:10:51): Yeah, yeah. You know the truth dies in the dark. Did you guys know that? So if we're going to silence me when it's about me and if I bring up a topic and it's my time to speak, then I get shut the fuck up so everybody else can give their opinion on the thing.
PamHemphill79 (06:11:11): No, you be fear pocket. You've been talking in this space for two hours.
PocketSandy (06:11:15): Okay. Okay. It's about this. Everybody gets to bring up their shit against me and all I get to do is react to people bringing shit up against me. I don't get to say my thoughts. All I got to do is just fucking, it's just Jesus fucking Christ. This is always the dynamic. And even if I don't speak much, everybody thinks I did a lot. It just drives me fucking insane. I know. I don't know. I need to fucking this, just whatever. I'm fucking pissed off at the whole world right now and this whole thing where we're going to talk at great lengths about the shit that is literally propaganda against me and hear everybody's fucking thoughts about me and then I don't get to fucking say my peace on it. I'm glad you all get to process my fucking shit. Love it. I'm sorry. You guys need to fucking hear that. It's frustrating. This happens to me everywhere started at seven, you know, my recovery meeting. You know what? My recovery meeting, I'll speak. I will set a timer for less than five minutes when I speak once they all think I've been speaking most of the time,
PamHemphill79 (06:12:23): Allowed you to talk for hours now.
PocketSandy (06:12:27): Hours. This is what I'm saying, hours.
PamHemphill79 (06:12:32): Everybody'sPocketSandy (06:12:33): Perception of my words is like you're just being
PamHemphill79 (06:12:36): Forever. No, you should be taken me and saying nobody's allowed me to talk and let everybody, one lady came up here and said, it's been an hour. She'd been waiting and I allowed you to talk. So please, nobody's ignoring you. We've been supporting you and trying to help you.
PocketSandy (06:12:52): Other
PamHemphill79 (06:12:53): People have their hand up.
PocketSandy (06:12:54): Yep. Everybody talk about me and I'll be shut up. Not a human. Thank you.
PamHemphill79 (06:13:00): I'm not going there with you. Go ahead.
TickTock (06:13:07): Hello, can you hear me? Hello?
TickTock (06:13:12): Yeah, I can hear you.
TickTock (06:13:14): Okay. I mean, I'm basically just here kind of putting my two thoughts I guess. And I mean with Sandy, what bothers me about him or her respect is the minute everything went down on that day, there were no MAGA, if you want to call it. Katie was there of course, but no one else. And you guys immediately were like, MAGA caused all the shit with Sandy.
PamHemphill79 (06:13:44): I
TickTock (06:13:45): Didn't. You did, my dear.
PocketSandy (06:13:47): What
TickTock (06:13:48): You did immediately,
PocketSandy (06:13:50): How
TickTock (06:13:51): You did? Because you said, oh, the maga, it was all maga. It was like there was so many people were like, I didn't say that. Yes you did, honey.
PocketSandy (06:13:59): Yes, you did some of the propaganda. I'm fucking sick of it. It's not. I mentioned, I mentioned they took streams. They took streams that MAGA posted that were not intended to give me violence.
TickTock (06:14:11): Sweetheart. There were
PocketSandy (06:14:13): Two. They
TickTock (06:14:14): Weren't
PocketSandy (06:14:14): The full fucking thing.
TickTock (06:14:16): They weren't
PocketSandy (06:14:16): The full thing.
TickTock (06:14:17): Pretend. And we all make fun of Nathan, pretend, and we all make fun of Nathan. They used it as the only one who actually had your back showing that I'm going to
PocketSandy (06:14:27): Call balls and strikes. Fucking deal with it. What the
TickTock (06:14:30): Fuck? Balls. Fuck and strikes. I
PocketSandy (06:14:31): Didn't say MAGA did
TickTock (06:14:32): It, dude. All night you've saying was fight at the beginning. This fucking the left is not against you. When
PocketSandy (06:14:37): People were saying that it was MAGA that did it. What
TickTock (06:14:40): Did I say? Who told you they were going to shoot you in your face? Who told you you did I say when people told you they were going to shoot you
,PocketSandy (06:14:45): It was maga and then I
TickTock (06:14:47): SaidPocketSandy (06:14:47): No,
TickTock (06:14:47): It fucking
PocketSandy (06:14:48): Wasn't.
TickTock (06:14:48): Seth Sinclair told you what
PocketSandy (06:14:50): The fuck
TickTock (06:14:51): On stream they were going to shoot you. What
PocketSandy (06:14:52): The fuck
TickTock (06:14:53): Was it? Maga,
PocketSandy (06:14:54): We're all going to say
TickTock (06:14:55): Maga Sandy, I'm not even trying to hate on you. I'm not even trying actually one of the most middle ground people that would ever be in these streams. I don't come in these streams to start shit. I never do. But you are. This is like the second time I've ever been in a stream. Sandy, my dear. Listen, what I will tell you is that you come into these spaces and you want these people who are on the blue side mainly to protect you when you know the red side has never started any kind of attack on you in any way, shape, or form. Tell me, Sandy, when they have, tell me,
PocketSandy (06:15:38): Do
TickTock (06:15:38): You
PocketSandy (06:15:38): Remember when y'all rallied around me when my hood was they tried to snatch it? Did that not happen?
TickTock (06:15:44): Okay.
PocketSandy (06:15:46): I am
TickTock (06:15:46): So sick of this. I'm talking about Listen Sandy,
PocketSandy (06:15:49): Everything's
TickTock (06:15:49): A goddamnPocketSandy (06:15:50): Delusion.
TickTock (06:15:51): Sandy, Sandy, hold on. I'm sick
PocketSandy (06:15:52): Of it,
TickTock (06:15:53): Sandy, hold on. I'm
PocketSandy (06:15:54): Fucking sick of it. Sandy,
TickTock (06:15:55): Hold on. Tell me who on that Saturday night when no Maga there was Katie, basically only that night
PocketSandy (06:16:04): He got ran off already.TickTock (06:16:05): Okay, yeah. But tell me who was at your side or against you the night you actually got attacked. Because I will tell you like no one majority of the red side hates pretend, but the one night that you got attacked, everyone even on pretend side was like, holy shit, what is going on with Sandy? And no one wanted anything bad to come from you. Even the Patriots were all in pretend stream being like, what the fuck happened to Sandy? And what pisses me off the most is the next day Pam had a space and knew exactly what the fuck happened to you. And suddenly it's like black block is the greatest shit in the world. Tell me how that's not
PamHemphill79 (06:16:47): True. I did not know.TickTock (06:16:49): Yes you did. Here
PamHemphill79 (06:16:50): You're
TickTock (06:16:51): Lying. You said it, you're lying. No, I'm not lying. When it's already in stream said, I dunno
PamHemphill79 (06:16:55): What's happening.
TickTock (06:16:55): Pretend can actually drop his streams with text in his chats. Everything was already fucking confirmed and you even came to spaces and said the same thing. So you cannot sit there and say you didn't do that. And I can't sit here and listen to all these people gaslighting you, Sandy, because no one had your fucking back. No one they didn't. And even on the red side side, you were the only ones that actually had your back
PamHemphill79 (06:17:26): Here
TickTock (06:17:26): And listen to
PocketSandy (06:17:27): You. That's
TickTock (06:17:27): Why I
PamHemphill79 (06:17:27): Did you have Why?
PocketSandy (06:17:28): Hold my teeth on
PamHemphill79 (06:17:30): Something, knife out on me? Did you hold my back? Why? When they were hitting me and Pepper spraying me. No, you didn't have my back. Oh, don't play this game with me.
TickTock (06:17:40): Can we talk about La Riot protests? You have to understand when you go into a protest, you're going to eventually understand there's going to be possible harm and you can't blame someone else. You
PamHemphill79 (06:17:50): Guys were so happy
TickTock (06:17:51): Because you put yourself in that place.
PamHemphill79 (06:17:53): Somebody was going after.
TickTock (06:17:54): I'm an LA riots girl. Okay? I lived in the west doing the LA riots, okay, for
PamHemphill79 (06:18:00): Being
TickTock (06:18:00): Hypocritical. Now
PamHemphill79 (06:18:01): We're fighting each other.
TickTock (06:18:03): Know it.
PamHemphill79 (06:18:04): You know it.
TickTock (06:18:04): Listen Pam,
PamHemphill79 (06:18:05): You are happy people. Were attacking
TickTock (06:18:08): Pam.
PamHemphill79 (06:18:09): Yes you were.
TickTock (06:18:10): You are in recovery. You are someone who was a victim. But
PamHemphill79 (06:18:13): Don't
TickTock (06:18:13): Lie. No, we're not. What? No one was there on Saturdays. You're sitting here acting like, oh my God. The Patriots were the reason all of this shit went down when clearly never said that. No one was there from the patriot side besides Katie, and she was already on her guard because of fucking what happened to her Hernandez. I talking
PamHemphill79 (06:18:33): About you're making stuff up
TickTock (06:18:34): Literally early in the day when Savannah and Hernandez got attacked. That's the only reason why she was already on guard. What's the point? I'll get to
PamHemphill79 (06:18:42): Your point.
TickTock (06:18:43): What are
PamHemphill79 (06:18:43): You trying to say,
TickTock (06:18:44): Pam?
PamHemphill79 (06:18:44): You don't
TickTock (06:18:45): Make any sense. There is no point. Oh really? Because I'm telling you things that are happening that people actually see you.
PamHemphill79 (06:18:51): No, you're not what people,
TickTock (06:18:53): Okay, so what happens is that pink
PamHemphill79 (06:18:55): You there? I didn't do that. I might've done it by accident.
TickTock (06:19:03): Accidentally hit the button.
PamHemphill79 (06:19:04): I don't like what people put words in my mouth.
SpiderMike (06:19:09): Did she say nobody on the left came to the aid of Sandy?
PamHemphill79 (06:19:14): Yes. Saying things that, what
SpiderMike (06:19:16): Are you talking about artsy? I
PamHemphill79 (06:19:18): Didn't know what the hell was happening. I had been maced. I couldn't even see.
SpiderMike (06:19:25): I had no idea what was going
PocketSandy (06:19:27): Down. Go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. A lot of it was just like, you just need to leave Sandy. You're just instigating Sandy. And it was sporadic. It was sporadic. I got some help and I didn't really understand it until I watched some
PamHemphill79 (06:19:39): Of the video I did. You come back is what I'd like to know.
PocketSandy (06:19:44): I don't get pushed out of spaces. I want to take a stand and I don't think it's okay to be like, you're not welcome here. You're not allowed to be here I am and I belong there. And I do not think that forcing me out with violence is something you should say. Okay, well keep the violent ones, kick the one out. That's the victim. What the fuck is that? Why is that where everybody lands is just, oh no, you should leave. Why not fucking get the ones that are being violent to fucking leave so they don't
TickTock (06:20:15): Correct. Don't leave. Correct. Somebody else when I leave,
PocketSandy (06:20:17): They're going to take aim at somebody else. Now, this is my dilemma is that I know that I'm gritty, I'm tough, that I'm intelligent, I'm articulate and all these fucking things. I got more power than people fucking understand. But if I just drop out, then I'm putting it on somebody that doesn't. That's the thing. And I like so much of what I do isn't exactly for fucking me, but I have been pushed out of so many spaces in my fucking life, so many fucking spaces, and I'm done. I drew that line the second I got to Oregon. I'm like never, never again. Never again. It's a matter of principle for me. Hate. I did not want somebody talked me into not coming back the fourth time. And I am surprised they succeeded in my mind in that moment. I would rather fucking die there than be.
PamHemphill79 (06:00:03): What the fuck? I've been on here for two hours winter.
PocketSandy (06:00:06): Oh,
PamHemphill79 (06:00:06): Hold on.
PocketSandy (06:00:07): Yeah, I've been fucking addressed that much time. And the heat.
PamHemphill79 (06:00:09): Hold on, just hold on for a
PocketSandy (06:00:11): Minute. I know I'm pissed off at that. I'm sorry, Pam.
PamHemphill79 (06:00:14): I love
PocketSandy (06:00:14): You, but what
PamHemphill79 (06:00:15): The fuck? They do that to me all the time. I'm just, whatever. They had me kissing risk, Richard,
PocketSandy (06:00:21): Do it to me then.
PamHemphill79 (06:00:22): Well, what do you want to say about it?
PocketSandy (06:00:25): We would've already been done hearing me. There's more words to shut me the fuck up than to just hear me. Fuck God. Damnit. I don't fucking know. I don't know. I hate to, I have to fight to just speak
PamHemphill79 (06:00:38): On thing. Everybody's
PocketSandy (06:00:40): Speaking on that affects
PamHemphill79 (06:00:40): Me more than everybody else.
PocketSandy (06:00:42): It's just driving me fucking insane.
PamHemphill79 (06:00:43): Hold on.
PocketSandy (06:00:44): Whatever. I would never, I got to
PamHemphill79 (06:00:46): Fucking everybody
PocketSandy (06:00:47): When Trump is president because he's fighting.
TickTock (06:00:50): Talking over Pam.
PocketSandy (06:00:52): Yeah, no. Okay. Yep. Everybody talk about me?
TickTock (06:00:55): No, we're on your side, but just let Pam say what she's got to say.
PamHemphill79 (06:01:00): Well, right now I don't see any hands, so if nobody has a hand up, go ahead and talk. Okay.
TickTock (06:01:06): I know people are requesting to come up.
PamHemphill79 (06:01:10): Yeah, the little lion captain here. Hi, Mike. Are you ready for this one?
TickTock (06:01:21): Did you want to make me co-host and I'll start calling people up?]
PamHemphill79 (06:01:24): God damnit.
SpiderMike (06:01:27): Yeah. Yeah, take TikTok off. Like I said, for some reason my ex is, I had to restart. I had to clear a bunch of shit. Anyways, there we go. They said that there's a bug. There's a bug on my side. So go ahead.
Jerome (Jerry) (06:01:41): Hello, Pam, can you hear me okay?
PamHemphill79 (06:01:44): Yes, I do. I think,
Jerome (Jerry) (06:01:47): Hey, I just wonder if we can reminisce about the first time I met you back at the Long Wolf Hub about seven, eight months ago.
PamHemphill79 (06:01:57): A what club?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:02:00): The Lone Wolf Hub here in South Portland.
PamHemphill79 (06:02:07): What is that? What is that,
TickTock (06:02:10): Pam?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:02:11): You were drinking beer with me? We were talking to Chris. Remember talking to Chris who was leaving for back to California, and it was his last day there.
PamHemphill79 (06:02:30): You guys know he is just making this shit up, right?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:02:34): Oh, well
SpiderMike (06:02:34): He said you were drinking a beer, so I know that that's bullshit.
Jerome (Jerry) (06:02:38): Well, no. She was drinking a beer with me and
SpiderMike (06:02:42): Well, I remember seeing you down at ember's and you were wearing Aless chaps. Do you remember that?
PamHemphill79 (06:02:46): You know what? You
SpiderMike (06:02:47): Come down. I gave you a date on that.
PamHemphill79 (06:02:49): If you ever come down to Portland, maybe I should do a lawsuit on you, because I've got so many witnesses that know everything I did every day where I was.
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:00): Yeah. I can tell you the day when Chris left,
PamHemphill79 (06:03:03): You
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:03): Better watch what you putting out there,
PamHemphill79 (06:03:04): Dear. You just stopped
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:05): Your mind. You were drinking beer with Chris and I sat there for a while, and then once,
PamHemphill79 (06:03:11): Yeah. And you were raping a girl on the street. How does that feel?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:14): Introduced yourself. How does that
PamHemphill79 (06:03:16): Feel?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:17): After
PamHemphill79 (06:03:18): You were raping some girl on the street? Now I'm lying. How does that feel?
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:22): Walked away when I was on the street car and you couldn't stand the fact that I was on the street car with you, but you did tell me about your time in the Peace Corps. Let's hear more about the time you're Peace Corps and those black hunks.
PamHemphill79 (06:03:39): Why? I am letting you stay here and listen to your crap. I don't know.
TickTock (06:03:43): Well, what I want to know, Jerry, what I want to know,
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:46): Bit more honest,
TickTock (06:03:48): Jerry.
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:49): Jerry alcoholism, because I am an alcoholic and that's, you're a liar. The L wolf,
PamHemphill79 (06:03:57): Mike
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:57): Didn't
PamHemphill79 (06:03:58): Hurt you
Jerome (Jerry) (06:03:58): That Jerome or Jerry,
PamHemphill79 (06:04:02): You know that you lied about Mike hurting you. You got everybody to buy your little fooder or whatever it's called. We know. We know. He lied.
TickTock (06:04:17): I specifically remember Jerry's sitting in his apartment with Portland, Andy getting drunk in Portland, Andy, or no, he was in Portland. Andy's chat, and he was going down the medical list of what had happened with a scooter that he had sprained, I think a sprained elbow or sprained shoulder. And he hit his head and got a concussion. But then later he was trying to tell people that his arm was broken yet no cast. So I mean,
PamHemphill79 (06:04:45): Yeah. Did you see that x-ray? It wasn't even his arm. Yeah,
TickTock (06:04:48): That's what I'd heard too, that he posted a different X-ray that wasn't even his,
PamHemphill79 (06:04:52): He must have written all this down. Somebody said, let's write this down and go in there and say this to everybody.
TickTock (06:04:58): Yeah, I mean, I get that he was injured. That's an unfortunate incident, but he kind of embellished on it and everybody knows that the whole thing, he probably got coached down there by the Patriots. Hey, you can get a lot of money out of this. Just make your injuries worse than they actually were. Yeah, it was unfortunate he was injured. I'm sorry he was, but the thing is,
PamHemphill79 (06:05:20): Yeah, he ran into Mike though.TickTock (06:05:22): Yeah, just no credibility. I mean, the guy has no credibility. So Jerry, what I would like to have, because you're making this claim across all of the different streamers channels, is I would love to see a receipt. If you're going to come in and tell people that you saw her or you drank with her, then
PamHemphill79 (06:05:38): Don't go there. TikTok. I don't give a shit.
TickTock (06:05:40): Yeah, well, I mean,
PamHemphill79 (06:05:42): I know
TickTock (06:05:42): It's just pure discrediting and you can tell it
PamHemphill79 (06:05:45): Doesn't
TickTock (06:05:45): Discredit.
PamHemphill79 (06:05:46): It
TickTock (06:05:46): Was
SpiderMike (06:05:46): Pretty specific too. He was like naming the tavern or something like that. South Portland many
PamHemphill79 (06:05:51): Times. Spider Mike, have you ever spilled alcohol on me ever? Or smoked pot?
SpiderMike (06:05:56): No, never. Never. And I believe that you've been sober since, well, how many years? 47?
PamHemphill79 (06:06:06): Yeah, in August. It'd be 47.
SpiderMike (06:06:08): Yeah, 47 years. And for him to come up, I mean, he's probably already had two half racks, but he comes up here with his mentality, which is one can short of a six pack, in my opinion. But yeah, get out of here. Jerry.
PamHemphill79 (06:06:28): What if I said I saw him raping a woman? Would he like that?
SpiderMike (06:06:32): Oh, well see, that's the thing. It's just, I don't know. Yeah, I mean, you know me, I could make up all kinds of stuff, but that's why I said I remember back in the day in the nineties, I spent a lot of time down at Amber's, at the Amber's Club, which is now, it's called something else. But yeah, the Amber's Club, which was a gay club. And I would go there with a bunch of my friends, and we usually end up there after hitting all the nightclubs because they were open until four and they played really good music and we would dance. So I remember seeing Jerry down there. So about 30 years ago, you remember Jerry, you and your assless chaps. You remember that you had a leather hat on
PamHemphill79 (06:07:18): Spider Mike.
SpiderMike (06:07:19): I'm just saying, I remember seeing him down there.
PamHemphill79 (06:07:22): He was a good dancer.
SpiderMike (06:07:23): He was a really good dancer.
PamHemphill79 (06:07:25): You had to know me as an alcoholic. I would never have, I don't drink beer anyway, but I wouldn't have one beer
SpiderMike (06:07:32): Give
PamHemphill79 (06:07:32): Me a break. Maybe a six pack. Well, more. I take that first drink, I'm gone. I don't know how to stop. There's no way you're going to stop me. And I was laughing right off the bat. Would be in deep shit with, anyway, we know he is full of shit.
TickTock (06:07:50): Yeah, I mean, I know enough alcoholics to know that whenever they fall off the wagon, they feel horrible about it. And Pam, you don't have a single moment that you've ever talked about falling off the wagon. So you've been pretty adamant that you've been, you said 46 or 47 years sober. You've never had once had a moment where you said, there's been times that I've faltered and climbed back up on the horse. So it's like, I'm sure you have enough pride and enough modesty to be able to admit that if that happened. So yeah, his little story is like, you can just tell it's just full of shit.
PamHemphill79 (06:08:26): Well, I was in and out of the program and I'm taking this lady to a meeting. I think I was sober a couple months. That's the most I could ever do. She pulls out a joint, right? Well, we called them joints back then. I dunno what you call it. She pulls this joint out. She says, we're going to an A meeting. We're not going to marijuana or drugs. I said, you're right. Give me a hit. So we're smoking pot on the way to a meeting and I go to the meeting and then some people came and talk to me afterwards. It is not just alcohol. And she says, you need to get honest. Go in there and tell people you relapse. I thought, oh, embarrassing. So I went in, I said, yeah, I've been smoking pot and I got so much help that night. I've had my relapses. I pray I never have another one. I hope by the grace of God, I mean I might as well commit suicide for me to drink again. I'm gone my age. I'd be dead in a month. I'm sure. I'm pretty sure.
TickTock (06:09:31): Is there a glitch on the spaces tonight? Because you've got over 300 people that are listening right now.
PamHemphill79 (06:09:38): No, I know.TickTock (06:09:39): I don't know if that's legit. It looks like it is, butSpiderMike (06:09:43): I got a couple warnings or notices from X saying that there was a bug and earlier it me like five times in a row. So yeah, I don't know what's going on.
TickTock (06:09:54): Yeah, I know that artsy is trying to come up, looks like, but I don't see any hands, so I'm wondering if people raising their hands or not being called on because there's some kind of a bug. But I've invited Archie several times to come and speak, but
PocketSandy (06:10:11): My hand's up, but I'm not a person. You want that and I'm really happy for you. You get to address the propaganda. I didn't. Yep. This is a propaganda machine. This space right here is a fucking property in a machine against Against me and not you.
PamHemphill79 (06:10:24): I love that. Can you hear me? Do you want that? That's up there. No, you could keep talking, but I'm asking you a question. Do you want that post? Put that up there.
PocketSandy (06:10:34): I don't fucking know. I don't know.
PamHemphill79 (06:10:35): I'm fucking take it down.
PocketSandy (06:10:37): I'm just have an announcement. I'm not a fucking human. That's the announcement. I don't fucking know. I just
PamHemphill79 (06:10:43): No. Well, if you put it up, I wasn't going to take it down
PocketSandy (06:10:46): I didn't
TickTock (06:10:47): Put no. That was Patriot something Patriot.
PocketSandy (06:10:51): Yeah, yeah. You know the truth dies in the dark. Did you guys know that? So if we're going to silence me when it's about me and if I bring up a topic and it's my time to speak, then I get shut the fuck up so everybody else can give their opinion on the thing.
PamHemphill79 (06:11:11): No, you be fear pocket. You've been talking in this space for two hours.
PocketSandy (06:11:15): Okay. Okay. It's about this. Everybody gets to bring up their shit against me and all I get to do is react to people bringing shit up against me. I don't get to say my thoughts. All I got to do is just fucking, it's just Jesus fucking Christ. This is always the dynamic. And even if I don't speak much, everybody thinks I did a lot. It just drives me fucking insane. I know. I don't know. I need to fucking this, just whatever. I'm fucking pissed off at the whole world right now and this whole thing where we're going to talk at great lengths about the shit that is literally propaganda against me and hear everybody's fucking thoughts about me and then I don't get to fucking say my peace on it. I'm glad you all get to process my fucking shit. Love it. I'm sorry. You guys need to fucking hear that. It's frustrating. This happens to me everywhere started at seven, you know, my recovery meeting. You know what? My recovery meeting, I'll speak. I will set a timer for less than five minutes when I speak once they all think I've been speaking most of the time,
PamHemphill79 (06:12:23): Allowed you to talk for hours now.
PocketSandy (06:12:27): Hours. This is what I'm saying, hours.
PamHemphill79 (06:12:32): Everybody'sPocketSandy (06:12:33): Perception of my words is like you're just being
PamHemphill79 (06:12:36): Forever. No, you should be taken me and saying nobody's allowed me to talk and let everybody, one lady came up here and said, it's been an hour. She'd been waiting and I allowed you to talk. So please, nobody's ignoring you. We've been supporting you and trying to help you.
PocketSandy (06:12:52): Other
PamHemphill79 (06:12:53): People have their hand up.
PocketSandy (06:12:54): Yep. Everybody talk about me and I'll be shut up. Not a human. Thank you.
PamHemphill79 (06:13:00): I'm not going there with you. Go ahead.
TickTock (06:13:07): Hello, can you hear me? Hello?
TickTock (06:13:12): Yeah, I can hear you.
TickTock (06:13:14): Okay. I mean, I'm basically just here kind of putting my two thoughts I guess. And I mean with Sandy, what bothers me about him or her respect is the minute everything went down on that day, there were no MAGA, if you want to call it. Katie was there of course, but no one else. And you guys immediately were like, MAGA caused all the shit with Sandy.
PamHemphill79 (06:13:44): I
TickTock (06:13:45): Didn't. You did, my dear.
PocketSandy (06:13:47): What
TickTock (06:13:48): You did immediately,
PocketSandy (06:13:50): How
TickTock (06:13:51): You did? Because you said, oh, the maga, it was all maga. It was like there was so many people were like, I didn't say that. Yes you did, honey.
PocketSandy (06:13:59): Yes, you did some of the propaganda. I'm fucking sick of it. It's not. I mentioned, I mentioned they took streams. They took streams that MAGA posted that were not intended to give me violence.
TickTock (06:14:11): Sweetheart. There were
PocketSandy (06:14:13): Two. They
TickTock (06:14:14): Weren't
PocketSandy (06:14:14): The full fucking thing.
TickTock (06:14:16): They weren't
PocketSandy (06:14:16): The full thing.
TickTock (06:14:17): Pretend. And we all make fun of Nathan, pretend, and we all make fun of Nathan. They used it as the only one who actually had your back showing that I'm going to
PocketSandy (06:14:27): Call balls and strikes. Fucking deal with it. What the
TickTock (06:14:30): Fuck? Balls. Fuck and strikes. I
PocketSandy (06:14:31): Didn't say MAGA did
TickTock (06:14:32): It, dude. All night you've saying was fight at the beginning. This fucking the left is not against you. When
PocketSandy (06:14:37): People were saying that it was MAGA that did it. What
TickTock (06:14:40): Did I say? Who told you they were going to shoot you in your face? Who told you you did I say when people told you they were going to shoot you
,PocketSandy (06:14:45): It was maga and then I
TickTock (06:14:47): SaidPocketSandy (06:14:47): No,
TickTock (06:14:47): It fucking
PocketSandy (06:14:48): Wasn't.
TickTock (06:14:48): Seth Sinclair told you what
PocketSandy (06:14:50): The fuck
TickTock (06:14:51): On stream they were going to shoot you. What
PocketSandy (06:14:52): The fuck
TickTock (06:14:53): Was it? Maga,
PocketSandy (06:14:54): We're all going to say
TickTock (06:14:55): Maga Sandy, I'm not even trying to hate on you. I'm not even trying actually one of the most middle ground people that would ever be in these streams. I don't come in these streams to start shit. I never do. But you are. This is like the second time I've ever been in a stream. Sandy, my dear. Listen, what I will tell you is that you come into these spaces and you want these people who are on the blue side mainly to protect you when you know the red side has never started any kind of attack on you in any way, shape, or form. Tell me, Sandy, when they have, tell me,
PocketSandy (06:15:38): Do
TickTock (06:15:38): You
PocketSandy (06:15:38): Remember when y'all rallied around me when my hood was they tried to snatch it? Did that not happen?
TickTock (06:15:44): Okay.
PocketSandy (06:15:46): I am
TickTock (06:15:46): So sick of this. I'm talking about Listen Sandy,
PocketSandy (06:15:49): Everything's
TickTock (06:15:49): A goddamnPocketSandy (06:15:50): Delusion.
TickTock (06:15:51): Sandy, Sandy, hold on. I'm sick
PocketSandy (06:15:52): Of it,
TickTock (06:15:53): Sandy, hold on. I'm
PocketSandy (06:15:54): Fucking sick of it. Sandy,
TickTock (06:15:55): Hold on. Tell me who on that Saturday night when no Maga there was Katie, basically only that night
PocketSandy (06:16:04): He got ran off already.TickTock (06:16:05): Okay, yeah. But tell me who was at your side or against you the night you actually got attacked. Because I will tell you like no one majority of the red side hates pretend, but the one night that you got attacked, everyone even on pretend side was like, holy shit, what is going on with Sandy? And no one wanted anything bad to come from you. Even the Patriots were all in pretend stream being like, what the fuck happened to Sandy? And what pisses me off the most is the next day Pam had a space and knew exactly what the fuck happened to you. And suddenly it's like black block is the greatest shit in the world. Tell me how that's not
PamHemphill79 (06:16:47): True. I did not know.TickTock (06:16:49): Yes you did. Here
PamHemphill79 (06:16:50): You're
TickTock (06:16:51): Lying. You said it, you're lying. No, I'm not lying. When it's already in stream said, I dunno
PamHemphill79 (06:16:55): What's happening.
TickTock (06:16:55): Pretend can actually drop his streams with text in his chats. Everything was already fucking confirmed and you even came to spaces and said the same thing. So you cannot sit there and say you didn't do that. And I can't sit here and listen to all these people gaslighting you, Sandy, because no one had your fucking back. No one they didn't. And even on the red side side, you were the only ones that actually had your back
PamHemphill79 (06:17:26): Here
TickTock (06:17:26): And listen to
PocketSandy (06:17:27): You. That's
TickTock (06:17:27): Why I
PamHemphill79 (06:17:27): Did you have Why?
PocketSandy (06:17:28): Hold my teeth on
PamHemphill79 (06:17:30): Something, knife out on me? Did you hold my back? Why? When they were hitting me and Pepper spraying me. No, you didn't have my back. Oh, don't play this game with me.
TickTock (06:17:40): Can we talk about La Riot protests? You have to understand when you go into a protest, you're going to eventually understand there's going to be possible harm and you can't blame someone else. You
PamHemphill79 (06:17:50): Guys were so happy
TickTock (06:17:51): Because you put yourself in that place.
PamHemphill79 (06:17:53): Somebody was going after.
TickTock (06:17:54): I'm an LA riots girl. Okay? I lived in the west doing the LA riots, okay, for
PamHemphill79 (06:18:00): Being
TickTock (06:18:00): Hypocritical. Now
PamHemphill79 (06:18:01): We're fighting each other.
TickTock (06:18:03): Know it.
PamHemphill79 (06:18:04): You know it.
TickTock (06:18:04): Listen Pam,
PamHemphill79 (06:18:05): You are happy people. Were attacking
TickTock (06:18:08): Pam.
PamHemphill79 (06:18:09): Yes you were.
TickTock (06:18:10): You are in recovery. You are someone who was a victim. But
PamHemphill79 (06:18:13): Don't
TickTock (06:18:13): Lie. No, we're not. What? No one was there on Saturdays. You're sitting here acting like, oh my God. The Patriots were the reason all of this shit went down when clearly never said that. No one was there from the patriot side besides Katie, and she was already on her guard because of fucking what happened to her Hernandez. I talking
PamHemphill79 (06:18:33): About you're making stuff up
TickTock (06:18:34): Literally early in the day when Savannah and Hernandez got attacked. That's the only reason why she was already on guard. What's the point? I'll get to
PamHemphill79 (06:18:42): Your point.
TickTock (06:18:43): What are
PamHemphill79 (06:18:43): You trying to say,
TickTock (06:18:44): Pam?
PamHemphill79 (06:18:44): You don't
TickTock (06:18:45): Make any sense. There is no point. Oh really? Because I'm telling you things that are happening that people actually see you.
PamHemphill79 (06:18:51): No, you're not what people,
TickTock (06:18:53): Okay, so what happens is that pink
PamHemphill79 (06:18:55): You there? I didn't do that. I might've done it by accident.
TickTock (06:19:03): Accidentally hit the button.
PamHemphill79 (06:19:04): I don't like what people put words in my mouth.
SpiderMike (06:19:09): Did she say nobody on the left came to the aid of Sandy?
PamHemphill79 (06:19:14): Yes. Saying things that, what
SpiderMike (06:19:16): Are you talking about artsy? I
PamHemphill79 (06:19:18): Didn't know what the hell was happening. I had been maced. I couldn't even see.
SpiderMike (06:19:25): I had no idea what was going
PocketSandy (06:19:27): Down. Go ahead. Go ahead, go ahead. A lot of it was just like, you just need to leave Sandy. You're just instigating Sandy. And it was sporadic. It was sporadic. I got some help and I didn't really understand it until I watched some
PamHemphill79 (06:19:39): Of the video I did. You come back is what I'd like to know.
PocketSandy (06:19:44): I don't get pushed out of spaces. I want to take a stand and I don't think it's okay to be like, you're not welcome here. You're not allowed to be here I am and I belong there. And I do not think that forcing me out with violence is something you should say. Okay, well keep the violent ones, kick the one out. That's the victim. What the fuck is that? Why is that where everybody lands is just, oh no, you should leave. Why not fucking get the ones that are being violent to fucking leave so they don't
TickTock (06:20:15): Correct. Don't leave. Correct. Somebody else when I leave,
PocketSandy (06:20:17): They're going to take aim at somebody else. Now, this is my dilemma is that I know that I'm gritty, I'm tough, that I'm intelligent, I'm articulate and all these fucking things. I got more power than people fucking understand. But if I just drop out, then I'm putting it on somebody that doesn't. That's the thing. And I like so much of what I do isn't exactly for fucking me, but I have been pushed out of so many spaces in my fucking life, so many fucking spaces, and I'm done. I drew that line the second I got to Oregon. I'm like never, never again. Never again. It's a matter of principle for me. Hate. I did not want somebody talked me into not coming back the fourth time. And I am surprised they succeeded in my mind in that moment. I would rather fucking die there than be.
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