@heartof_mary I call “totalism” the system which, based on a true theological conclusion that the “Vatican II popes” cannot be true popes (based on the Church’s indefectibility), and which conclusion is loosely called “sedevacantism”, then jumps unduly to other conclusions, which are… @heartof_mary that all the Vatican II popes and bishops are all deposed, that the “Novus Ordo” is a non Catholic sect, in the sense of canon 2314 (some going as far as calling sspx a non Catholic sect too), and that ultimately the apostolocity of jurisdiction must be somehow preserved by sedes