Aaron is now basically arguing butch lesbians are better off taking T and pretending to be men.

With pseudo science.

Please note the prof has no expertise in human development.

Social behaviour is not “driven” by sexual orientation what does that even mean? Some is. I mean it governs who I flirt with. 🤷‍♂️

What is the generalisation with T levels? I have high normal T levels… but T levels and what the T does is unique to the individual. Broad brush statements don’t work…

What is male typical target based sexual orientation??? Eh?

All I see is someone trying to explain things *away* for themselves then projecting that onto other individuals and the gender lens is still there!

“Socially we do better as men”. Stop. This is a crutch. It’s gender nonsense. Men and women are diverse. Behaviour is diverse. Some women have the traits “typically” associated with men. The association is the flaw!

I have a trait typically associated with women… I like men 😬

I have lots of others. I also have plenty typically associated with men.

The association of traits to sexes is the problem. It doesn’t apply at individual level.

Butch lesbians remain 100% women and are as female as every other woman. They are part of the naturally occurring diversity within women and navel gazing over “fitting in” (socially “do better” as men) is a damning indictment on society for generalising traits by sex.

Stop thinking along the lines of a spectrum of man to woman. It’s not real. There are two spectrums - one for men one for women that humans really need to stop thinking of as a spectrum of one to the other. 😣 PS taking T doesn’t change sexual orientation it deranges sexual desire/feelings etc by overwhelming the natural hormonal functioning of a person. If you substance abuse on T then the outcome is likely a pathological hypersexuality including less inhibition around members of the sex you aren’t attracted to inherently. Men taking roids often report sexual… changes.

I understand this but I am extremely skeptical (to say the least) of the idea the man in question is an innocent victim not realising he’s a man.

I am more inclined to give adults agency and suggest he knows full well he’s a man but continues to cheat - yes enabled by others 1/

https://twitter.com/sashalpc/status/1819764151293821174

But I don’t buy the argument he’s not complicit in this nor am I going to call a man “she” if he is unaware or not

I just don’t think he is. All the evidence points to him obviously realising he’s male despite the cultural background that may have seen him “raised as a girl” 2/2

Right. This is better. This is true. I agree with Suella except it’s *even worse*.

It represents the view that someone’s personal gender identity is more important than sex, that ppl can have surgery and hormones to align with their identity, and that homosexuality isn’t real 1/

https://twitter.com/suellabraverman/status/1810633320482668942

And that attraction is based on gender identity and presentation not sex.

Which is a lie. And it’s a lie being sold to children. They are growing up believing they can choose to be a man woman or neither, and people will be attracted to them for their identity. 2/

No I am not a “fan” of Braverman but I’m getting extremely angry at people constantly saying we all have to dance around the mutilation and indoctrination of children, the existential threat to lesbians and the destruction of women’s rights.

Can *I* read her speech instead? 1/

https://twitter.com/soniasodha/status/1810436639111663949

Stop it. Stop saying we have to be sensitive and careful and watch out words around this.

No I will not. I’ve had enough.

TQ+, gender ideology and the butchered pride flag is pure unadulterated misogyny and homophobia. 2/

I want to say something regarded ppl who say things like “repealing the GRA isn’t pragmatic right now”

First, yes I know. Yes I know it’s politically difficult and I know there are many other things especially falsifying documents that need to be tackled. I know it takes time 1/ But what I want to say is how this feels. I remember in 1994 with the age of consent being moved to 18 not 16. Irrespective of the age (maybe it should all be 18 🤷‍♂️) it was still not equality. I do remember the S28 law and how long it took to be rid of it 2/

What Blair is basically saying is that gender ideology has gone too far and is erasing women (true) BUT men who have been surgically altered should still be entitled to be legally counted as women. (False)

I have massive issues with this “compromise” position. It’s sexist 1/

https://twitter.com/leakylike/status/1802609442698969352

How many times? No matter how a man feels, no matter what he does to his body *he is still a man*. The concept of “reassignment” is toxic, and surgical attempts to disguise sex should be outlawed. Not only to protect women either 2/

The labour manifesto on gender sex and CT is completely and deliberately ambiguous and could be used to full TRA or mostly GC. A thread 🧵 1/ First this bit on GRA reform. Actually there’s nothing in it.

A new process, that retains the old process. Healthcare pathway not defined. It’s a nothing. 2/

I have unpopular opinions on why women (the sex) never seem to get anywhere near parity in what I would call “hardcore tech” roles.

It comes from what I’ve observed in my 20+ years in IT and there’s a clue in the word I just used… 1/

https://twitter.com/parmy/status/1796512701696667873

The short version is the culture. I’ve seen it in many many tech orgs despite not working for many because I visit them. I see and I observe. And what I see is not just male dominated but all the “masculine” stereotypes of behaviour, and I don’t mean the physical ones… 2/

No one should be discriminated against for what they are. A thread 🧵

However, there seem to be some people labouring under the false impression that some people “are trans”, and that those people deserve extra privileges and protections versus the rest of us. I disagree 1/ I’ve seen arguments this week arguing what’s “worthy of respect” or what views are “discriminatory”.

Men are not women. I do not believe anyone deserves protection from “discrimination” on the grounds that their pretence of being something they are NOT, is “worthy of respect” 2/

Ok let’s pick one of these at random. “The same bigots you stand with used to say the same thing about people like you”

This is false in many ways, and is weaponising homophobia to advocate for *men pretending to be women* 1/

https://twitter.com/metteprime/status/1776554294013022214

First, they are generally not “the same people”. The people I stand with are the same people who advocated *for* gay rights. The fact there are people who lump “LGBTQ+” into a “bad people” box is irrelevant. 2/

I would like people who have sympathy for “HSTS” to reflect on that a bit. There are a few reasons. First, the sympathy shown to those men is craved and coveted by men with AGP. It inflames their jealousy even more.

Second - the HSTS vs AGP is flawed… 1/ There are many inputs to men claiming to be women. Sexual orientation is only one and the motivations overlap, and can exist in the same individual. It’s possible for a man or boy with ASD to misinterpret his own orientation as just one example. 2/

Well good for you Janice. Use whatever pronouns you feel like using to be “courteous”

But you call a man she and I will consider you as disrespectful to me, pandering to an idiotic ideology or narcissists and that’s also my right. 🤷‍♂️ 1/

archive.is/lcrRb For the millionth time people criticising you and saying “you shouldn’t do that” or even “don’t do that!” Are not forcing you to do anything.

You’re an adult. You can say “no I will do what I want”

And we are allowed to have an opinion on it you don’t like. 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️ 2/2

I just saw this. That Vulcan feeling I had earlier sadly did not last the day.

I don’t agree with this. I also don’t like gay men crying homophobia at the merest criticism.

Homophobia reaches *a minimum* in GC feminism. Not zero obviously, but a minimum. 1/ And rad fems. Of all people they are the only ones who genuinely treat me *just the same as every other man*

And that’s all I ever wanted.

And no you can’t convince me with one or two screenshots. I screenshot and keep every homophobic thing said to me.

I know who says what

I am so irritated by people who imply I’m not being “respectful” if I don’t call some men “she” (which ones? What’s the criteria?).

It’s entirely disrespectful to women and to gay men trying to point out all men are equally men… because we ALL ARE. 1/ And then will complain that my “no I am not doing that and I don’t appreciate being called “disrespectful” equals “policing speech”.

No I’m not. YOU are. By applying emotional coercion of “be polite” to get me to lie.

Stop it!

If you want to save boys from becoming men driven around by their sexual desires then the one thing you do not want to do is tell them that acting on every sexual desire and fantasy they have is “ok”. Instead reinforce boundaries and let them know they will not come to harm 1/ By not indulging every fantasy that pops up into their head, and to keep “sexy times” boundaried. No you do not want to live out your fantasy 24/7 even though I know when you’re aroused you definitely believe you do. 2/

I have mixed feelings about this. Very mixed. On the one hand I feel anger that women like this are participating in the glorification of self harm, and that women can be men, or non women. She will never be a man, and those scars just prove it. But… 1/ She’s also a victim. A victim of the ideology that says women can be men, and that dysphoria - instead of being a response to the gendered world we live in, as well as a possible internal misinterpretation of sexuality - is a sign “body is wrong”. 2/

🙄 there is. It’s often misdiagnosed, over or under depending on context but saying “it’s lit real” when there’s absolutely neurological evidence that some of us have an executive function that is so out of normal limits we have problems - is unhelpful. 1/ https://t.co/BuEOS7nhIQ

https://twitter.com/dardanidae1/status/1673315033638645762

For many years I was misdiagnosed with anxiety until my ADHD diagnosis. The anxiety was and is real. It operates in lieu of Executive function and planning. Normal brains are able to just remember, plan and do. I struggle with that so I end up worrying myself into things 2/

No.

Quite apart from the fact this started as “preferred” and it’s now pivoting to “required”, I will not be manipulated into playing someone else’s pretend fantasy about themselves because they demand it.

They can’t have that.

https://twitter.com/lambdalegal/status/1667949842683904000

How dare you claim to fight for me.

#LGBWithoutTheTQ

@GNQ__ 🙄 what is it with people in the US apparently insisting on gay being a choice/abuse? Lots of kids sadly get abused just look at the testimony of women… and yet most people remain straight. Meanwhile I definitely wasn’t abused nor did I even know about anal at 14… @GNQ__ Or porn. The *weight* of evidence points to in most cases homosexuality arising from multiple biological pathways of development. Rather like personality traits. You can’t make someone’s personality what you want. Parents know this well.

What i would like to say is actually that first bit of the video is really important. If you use wrong sex pronouns as Helen says - things start to not make sense, because sex matters. I also find it offensive if a person refers to a man as “she” 1/

https://twitter.com/millihill/status/1667791155289882625

And yes it’s my offence. I have my reasons, I’m happy to explain them

I understand the frustration of being corrected and I’m not “outraged” by Helen’s desire to tell people to just *stop* when they do that. I get frustrated with ppl ever day! Especially when they are right 2/

@stormrobinson @theneonrequiem “This conversation may be old and closed for you, but it’s not for me”

And this is what education should be about. Especially for gay men. I was fortunate (?) to have every theory thrown at me in my youth. I grew up with it.

Not everyone else has… @stormrobinson @theneonrequiem I would focus on the absolute facts though.

1- being gay doesn’t predispose you to anything. Other than finding men hot.

2- how you live your life and what you decide to do is always on you and not the result of “urges” 🙄😬

3- a gay relationship can be entirely fulfilling.