@DoctorVive @KenCaldeira While info deficit out of fashion with climate behavioral sci experts @climategeorge,still something to be said for the old Stoic approach, and which you (Ken)have espoused in the past. religionfacts.com/stoicism @KevinClimate @ClimateHuman @flyingless @KA_Nicholas @ryankatzrosene @DoctorVive @KenCaldeira @climategeorge @KevinClimate @ClimateHuman @flyingless @KA_Nicholas @ryankatzrosene Yesterday I confirmed with a large industrial shell ice manufacturer the efficiency of their freezers (= heat pump w COP 2.5, not heat engine). Expanding on Ken's estimate of 625 tonnes ice melted per tonne CO2 emitted, the cost to refreeze 625 tonnes of ice is $4,000 @ $0.15 kwh