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See this explanatory thread from @GeorgePeretzQC on the steps MPs should take when the Gov asks them to approve a Johnson Agreement.
HOWEVER remember the Benn Act requires them to approve āa Concluded Agreement under A50(2)ā
Itās very improbable that such a doc will be completed
HOWEVER remember the Benn Act requires them to approve āa Concluded Agreement under A50(2)ā
Itās very improbable that such a doc will be completed
My estimation is that it is impossible for such a new WA is completed by 19th given the processes that have to be undertaken by the EU (inc translations into 26 languages).
Unless he reintroduces Mayās WA in full
Happy for @GeorgePeretzQC @JolyonMaugham et al to correct me
Unless he reintroduces Mayās WA in full
Happy for @GeorgePeretzQC @JolyonMaugham et al to correct me
3/. A reminder within @GeorgePeretzQC thread of the importance of also seeing the accompanying legislation necessary for ratification and implementation. This has, thus far, been kept hidden even for consultation.
I think that is abusive & grossly negligent
I think that is abusive & grossly negligent
@ChrisGiles_
Could I ask a question that I know is being asked by others, on reading this by @anandMenon1 (remembering we are not economists). Did you reach your Johnson modelling of - Ā£2250 PA per person by adding together 3/ and 4/ below :-
Income plus productivity losses?
Could I ask a question that I know is being asked by others, on reading this by @anandMenon1 (remembering we are not economists). Did you reach your Johnson modelling of - Ā£2250 PA per person by adding together 3/ and 4/ below :-
Income plus productivity losses?
2/. @ChrisGiles_
I am not clear whether 5/ in @anandMenon1 calculations were also taken into account (migration impact).
I am not clear whether 5/ in @anandMenon1 calculations were also taken into account (migration impact).
3/. @ChrisGiles_
ALSO is this the cumulative loss over 10-15 years. I.E. it starts off smaller (how small?) and gradually expands so that in 10-15 years this is what the gap between what our income would have been with EU membership and Johnsonās model.
ALSO is this the cumulative loss over 10-15 years. I.E. it starts off smaller (how small?) and gradually expands so that in 10-15 years this is what the gap between what our income would have been with EU membership and Johnsonās model.
@carolecadwalla @peterjukes @brexit_sham
Look what cropped up tonight following a lead from @ActMeasuresDoc . This is how Cummings found AiQ and,no doubt Leave EU SCL.
Cummings worked with an ex Director of SCL Elections Ltd for 3 years over the Business for Sterling Campaign.
Look what cropped up tonight following a lead from @ActMeasuresDoc . This is how Cummings found AiQ and,no doubt Leave EU SCL.
Cummings worked with an ex Director of SCL Elections Ltd for 3 years over the Business for Sterling Campaign.
Interesting to see who was behind Business for Sterling.
Our old mate Rocco Forte.
Lord Hanson (who has proved to be of a lot of interest tonight )
Lord Edwardes
independent.co.uk/news/business/ā¦
Our old mate Rocco Forte.
Lord Hanson (who has proved to be of a lot of interest tonight )
Lord Edwardes
independent.co.uk/news/business/ā¦
This suggests he started working on the Business for a Sterling Campaign in 2001 (when did his Russian sortƩe end?
I had no idea he went in to become head of strategy for the Conservative Party in 2002
powerbase.info/index.php/Busiā¦
I had no idea he went in to become head of strategy for the Conservative Party in 2002
powerbase.info/index.php/Busiā¦
A āRemain Allianceā should be guided by 3 principles
āAn alliance built on these principles could have a seismic effect on British politics. It could stop Johnson dead in his tracks. With luck, it will make him run scared of an election in the first placeā prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/any-rā¦
āAn alliance built on these principles could have a seismic effect on British politics. It could stop Johnson dead in his tracks. With luck, it will make him run scared of an election in the first placeā prospectmagazine.co.uk/politics/any-rā¦
āProvided the Cummings plot to crash out before an election is stopped, the prime minister may decide his least bad option is to ask the people what they want in a referendum.ā
PRINCIPAL 1. āDO NO HARMā
PRINCIPAL 1. āDO NO HARMā
PRINCIPLE 2. THINK BIG.
Every seat where Labour or Tories do not support Remain should be fought wholeheartedly.
We can help one another when there is a single candidate thus maximising resources.
Every seat where Labour or Tories do not support Remain should be fought wholeheartedly.
We can help one another when there is a single candidate thus maximising resources.
Finally Bannonās so called āVatican Universityā but in fact a Far-right Bootcamp is kicked out of the Italian Monastery Due to Lease Issues.
This is also Benjamin Harnwellās pet project. A British Tory trying to sell his far right views as ācentreā . newsweek.com/far-right-bootā¦
This is also Benjamin Harnwellās pet project. A British Tory trying to sell his far right views as ācentreā . newsweek.com/far-right-bootā¦
2/. You wonāt be surprised to hear that Brexiter Rocco Forte, Sen on the Leave EU podium earlier this year and his Catholic Herald Newspaper, feeding the Catholic conservatives ALSO met with Bannon.
buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/ā¦
buzzfeed.com/markdistefano/ā¦
3/ A bit more about Harnwell and his views on the EU (from which he was perfectly happy to take money for years) here.
Contains clips from the Channel 4 programme and interview with him earlier this year.
independent.co.uk/news/uk/politiā¦
Contains clips from the Channel 4 programme and interview with him earlier this year.
independent.co.uk/news/uk/politiā¦
The last 2 days people have been tweeting out that Labourās Policy is to campaign to Remain.
It isnāt - See Tweet 2
It IS to campaign for a PV with Remain as an option.
Yet what has Labour organised on the 19th-PV March?
Jeremy Corbyn rally in Liverpool events.labour.org.uk/event/283916
It isnāt - See Tweet 2
It IS to campaign for a PV with Remain as an option.
Yet what has Labour organised on the 19th-PV March?
Jeremy Corbyn rally in Liverpool events.labour.org.uk/event/283916
This is Labourās Brexit policy from their website today.
To spend 3 months negotiating a new LP Brexit then to hold a āsecond referendumā within 6 months with remain on the ballot but not supporting a particular position
But their policy is to have one
labour.org.uk/page/labour-brā¦
To spend 3 months negotiating a new LP Brexit then to hold a āsecond referendumā within 6 months with remain on the ballot but not supporting a particular position
But their policy is to have one
labour.org.uk/page/labour-brā¦
3/. One might hope that he will at least turn up for this rare and special sitting in Parl during the day on Saturday, signifying we are in National Emergency territory but it is hard to see how he could even attend for a whole day given the event in Liverpool starts at 18.30 pm.
ARCURI
āI was categorically clear that the moment I gave Boris my virtue, I would be cast out. Thatās why I made him my buddy. I would say things like: āYou donāt want me, Iām high maintenance and very demanding.ā š¤®š¤®š¤®
Next career: Mills and Boon
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7ā¦
āI was categorically clear that the moment I gave Boris my virtue, I would be cast out. Thatās why I made him my buddy. I would say things like: āYou donāt want me, Iām high maintenance and very demanding.ā š¤®š¤®š¤®
Next career: Mills and Boon
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7ā¦
āHe would say: āJennifer, youāre the Mount Everest every man wants to climb.ā But the last thing I wanted to be was the girl that showed up, sh***ed him and left.ā
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āBoris, however, was extremely interested in her love life. āHeād say: āAre you driving men crazy? Are the men filling the streets with weeping tears? I saw a man sobbing earlier ā please tell me you didnāt break his heart.ā
@PeterKGeoghegan @openDemocracy 1/ So just when Tice becomes Director of the family Firm Sunley Family limited, it just happened but some astonishing coincidence that a 40% shareholding is transferred to 2 off shore companies about which he knows nothing.
@PeterKGeoghegan @openDemocracy 2/. Those two companies are Sunciera Holdings Corporation (Panama) and Shuttlecock Holdings Limited (BVI)
3/. Even bigger coincidence one company, Sunciera Holdings Corporation was incorporated through a Swiss Company in 1991.
3/. Even bigger coincidence one company, Sunciera Holdings Corporation was incorporated through a Swiss Company in 1991.
@PeterKGeoghegan @openDemocracy 4/. Somehow. Goodness me. However did this new Panamanian Compay, nothing to do with Tice (āwho me?ā) land on Sunley Family Ltd - a UK family company with which it had no association.
Yes. That sure is stretching credulity remarkably.
Yes. That sure is stretching credulity remarkably.
Oh Ho! Those two russian business associates of Giuliani who were arrested on their way to Vienna (who is in Vienna? Whittingdaleās mate Firtash)were due to be followed by Giuliani himself.
Whittingdale made several trip to the Ukraine and Vienna funded by Firtashās foundation
Whittingdale made several trip to the Ukraine and Vienna funded by Firtashās foundation
I wonder what will come out of the woodwork with this one @brexit_sham @ur_friend_papu @shady_inf0
brexitshambles.com/big-data-braveā¦
brexitshambles.com/big-data-braveā¦
I read that the extradition decision re Firtash is due on 24th October.
All linking in to this.
Electoral data. What does that make me think about?
All linking in to this.
Electoral data. What does that make me think about?
Philip Hammond
āThe whole row over the backstop and quitting the Customs Union is so we can win the right to make ourselves poorer.
So says the (Ex) Chancellor.ā
And the numbers from spreadsheet Phil are incredible.
āThe whole row over the backstop and quitting the Customs Union is so we can win the right to make ourselves poorer.
So says the (Ex) Chancellor.ā
And the numbers from spreadsheet Phil are incredible.
Those numbers were known but never used āin angerā
āBut each iteration of they cycle of failure makes it harder to have a fact-based conversation on our future. Politicians don't dare.
Yes, these number are around/published but were never used in anger.ā
āBut each iteration of they cycle of failure makes it harder to have a fact-based conversation on our future. Politicians don't dare.
Yes, these number are around/published but were never used in anger.ā
Make no mistake about it. This is a tale of deep & continuing dishonesty from Government.
Because one Government Minister after another has been too scared to tell the truth and stand their ground. Never waivering.
Because one Government Minister after another has been too scared to tell the truth and stand their ground. Never waivering.
Everyone says they know what the public think about Brexit ā hereās the polling data that tells you whoās right | The Independent
4 Brexit myths being sold by the Government and Quitters. independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-ā¦
4 Brexit myths being sold by the Government and Quitters. independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-ā¦
2/. Myth one: āVoters are so fed up with the whole process that they just want to get Brexit done.ā
Opinium Poll: Just 1 in 3 said they wanted to āget Brexit doneā regardless of the terms.
Opinium Poll: Just 1 in 3 said they wanted to āget Brexit doneā regardless of the terms.
3/. Myth two: āVoters havenāt changed their minds about Brexit since the 2016 referendum.ā
In fact 2 in 10 have and 1 in 4 Labour Leave voters would now vote Remain or do not know how they would vote.
In fact 2 in 10 have and 1 in 4 Labour Leave voters would now vote Remain or do not know how they would vote.
Top Secret Russian Unit Seeks to Destabilize Europe.
Unit 29155 was behind the Skripal attack and several other ruthless operations.
Hybrid war
Propaganda, hacking, disinformation and military confrontation.
Brexit is profoundly unpatriotic
nytimes.com/2019/10/08/worā¦
Unit 29155 was behind the Skripal attack and several other ruthless operations.
Hybrid war
Propaganda, hacking, disinformation and military confrontation.
Brexit is profoundly unpatriotic
nytimes.com/2019/10/08/worā¦
It is a coordinated and ongoing campaign.
There was a practice run the year before Skripal, and at least two of the three returned last year to carry out the Skripal poisoning.
52 years ago today Gibraltar voted by an overwhelming 12,138 to 44 to remain a British overseas territory. Another ballot in 2002 rejected Spanish sovereignty proposals by an equally crushing margin. Oh for referendums with such decisive majorities.
Now.. independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-ā¦
Now.. independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-ā¦
96% voted to remain in the EU Referendum.
1 in 4 jobs in the neighbouring Spanish region is supported by Gibraltar
14k people cross the border every day.
No deal Brexit? Hours and hours of queues. Essential supplies disrupted.
Good from @MartinChelt
1 in 4 jobs in the neighbouring Spanish region is supported by Gibraltar
14k people cross the border every day.
No deal Brexit? Hours and hours of queues. Essential supplies disrupted.
Good from @MartinChelt
I donāt agree that Gibraltar is āeven more dependentā on an open border than NI. The problems are not comparable but they are very serious with a big negative impact on both business and day to day lives.
Interesting parallels drawn between Corbyn and Johnson by @paulwaugh . Also by their respective Chief of Staffs, Cummings and Karie Murphy...although it seems the latter is on her way out of that rƓle.
Did Corbyn break the news to Karie Murphy?
It was left to Lord Kerslake, a former senior civil servant and adviser to John McDonnell, to ring her with the news. Iām told that someone with civil service experience is now set to replace Murphy as chief of staff.
It was left to Lord Kerslake, a former senior civil servant and adviser to John McDonnell, to ring her with the news. Iām told that someone with civil service experience is now set to replace Murphy as chief of staff.
āFinally, Cummings, who famously loathes Whitehall, would have a counterpart who really couldnāt be more different from himself.ā
A common theme in the pro-Brexit groups is wanting to hang opposition MPs for "treason". This cropped up repeatedly, in posts by multiple Facebook users, in multiple private groups.
MORE in Pro Brexit Groups than Anti
HOW MANY MORE ā¦@BBCNewsnightā© bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-treā¦
MORE in Pro Brexit Groups than Anti
HOW MANY MORE ā¦@BBCNewsnightā© bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-treā¦
Pro Brexit Group examples.
But this article fails to disclose how many were death threats, threats of violence, stalking, abuse.
I think it should so we understand what Pro Brexiters think is OK to say.
But this article fails to disclose how many were death threats, threats of violence, stalking, abuse.
I think it should so we understand what Pro Brexiters think is OK to say.
Anti Brexit groups also contained tweets wishing death on MPs but fewer examples, NO proportions
Those Remainers who do speak thus are harming the debate, letting the side & themselves down & should be called out every time
But we should be told the proportions @BBCNewsnight
Those Remainers who do speak thus are harming the debate, letting the side & themselves down & should be called out every time
But we should be told the proportions @BBCNewsnight
āIn August 1969, the nine-year-old was killed when the RUC fired into his home during rioting in Belfast, the first of at least 186 children to die in what would become known as the Troubles in Northern Ireland.ā
Brexit is not academic in NI irishtimes.com/culture/books/ā¦
Brexit is not academic in NI irishtimes.com/culture/books/ā¦
āthe teenage striker who scored two goals in the schoolsā cup final, to the boy who loved animals so much he āsaved every little creature around himā, and the five-year-old who wrote in her copybook on the day she died, āI am a good girl, I talk to Godā, these are their stories.
āWhen 14-year-old Philip Rafferty left his home in west Belfast to go to band practice, his mother, Maureen, made sure he was wearing his new winter coat. The next time she saw it was in a plastic bag at his inquest, saturated with blood.ā
A challenge from ā¦@matthewparris4ā© ā¦@EdwardJDaveyā©
āThe heresy that Brexit is the only question suits the LD because, there being many more Remain voters than..LD voters, the party has much to gain from converting the former into the latter.ā spectator.co.uk/2019/09/eight-ā¦
āThe heresy that Brexit is the only question suits the LD because, there being many more Remain voters than..LD voters, the party has much to gain from converting the former into the latter.ā spectator.co.uk/2019/09/eight-ā¦
@matthewparris4 sets out 8 criteria why he is a Tory, not a LD (& we should always be grateful & respectful to those who lend us their vote so we can prove we have earned it).
What will @LibDemPress and @CarolineVoaden say in response.
We are unapologetically radical centrists
What will @LibDemPress and @CarolineVoaden say in response.
We are unapologetically radical centrists
1 reason @matthewparris4 is, I think, that the idea of you lending your vote every single election cycle is the healthiest possible democratic state of affairs.
We have got to where we are because Parties have become sclerotic instead of being engaged in a vital dynamic debate
We have got to where we are because Parties have become sclerotic instead of being engaged in a vital dynamic debate
ā¦@OborneTweetsā© :- āI have attended every single Conservative Party conference since 1992. This one is the only one where Iāve felt scared.
The Conservative Party I have supported almost all my adult life scarcely exists anymore.ā middleeasteye.net/opinion/oborneā¦
The Conservative Party I have supported almost all my adult life scarcely exists anymore.ā middleeasteye.net/opinion/oborneā¦
āJames Cleverly, the Tory chairman, said that there would be violence in the streets if Brexit does not happen.
This is dangerous and dishonest. For all of the acrimony and bitter disagreement over Brexit, there has been no civil disorder on the British streets.ā
This is dangerous and dishonest. For all of the acrimony and bitter disagreement over Brexit, there has been no civil disorder on the British streets.ā
āBut ministers this week were talking it up by introducing the idea into popular discourse. It almost feels as if they want violence to happen in order to push Brexit through. ā
Yes. That is what they are doing and decent editors & journalists should not play into their hands
Yes. That is what they are doing and decent editors & journalists should not play into their hands
Courtiers allegedly tried to persuade Mr Johnson to cancel the State Opening until after a General Election .
The source said: āThe Palace told No10 the Queen does not want to go through this again.
mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ā¦
The source said: āThe Palace told No10 the Queen does not want to go through this again.
mirror.co.uk/news/politics/ā¦
āIf her speech will just be voted down sheād rather it didnāt happen at all. The PM shouldnāt cause her this embarrassment so soon after the Supreme Court debacle.ā
So Johnson, Mogg & Co have not only mightily pissed off the EU, but also Her Majesty the Queen.
So Johnson, Mogg & Co have not only mightily pissed off the EU, but also Her Majesty the Queen.
They abuse an old lady in her 90s.
They are cads.
They are cads.
This is going to be meaty.
Wonāt it be enjoyable watching Piers Morgan getting his comeuppance?
I wonder how many sworn affidavits are going to come unstuck?
It is REALLY serious to deliberately destroy evidence....lawyers too!
This will surely end up with criminal charges.
Wonāt it be enjoyable watching Piers Morgan getting his comeuppance?
I wonder how many sworn affidavits are going to come unstuck?
It is REALLY serious to deliberately destroy evidence....lawyers too!
This will surely end up with criminal charges.
@Byline_Media @peterjukes has been on this.
Iām expected plenty of gripping stories out of it.
And #levenson2
Iām expected plenty of gripping stories out of it.
And #levenson2
How peace in Europe is misrepresented and misunderstood
āIt wasnāt the EU. It was NATOā
Really? europeantomorrow.blogspot.com/2019/10/how-peā¦
āIt wasnāt the EU. It was NATOā
Really? europeantomorrow.blogspot.com/2019/10/how-peā¦
āSomething that was a regular staple of thousands of years of European history has, in a matter of just a few decades, become almost unthinkable. .. a Europe without peace now seems like ridiculous scaremongering to some citizens, so successful has this project been.ā
āEurope is not the Northern Irish peace process itself, but Europe's architecture is what gave us the tools to design and build that peace.ā
Excellent from @PascalLTH
Excellent from @PascalLTH
Start Making Sense ā George Monbiot
āIs this democracyās death spiral? Are we falling, in this and other countries, into a lethal cycle of fury and reaction, that blocks the reasoned conversation on which civic life depends?ā
monbiot.com/2019/10/04/staā¦
āIs this democracyās death spiral? Are we falling, in this and other countries, into a lethal cycle of fury and reaction, that blocks the reasoned conversation on which civic life depends?ā
monbiot.com/2019/10/04/staā¦
āSo what do we do? How, in particular, do we discuss genuinely alarming situations, like Brexit or climate breakdown, without triggering threat responses? The first thing the science tells us is this: treat everyone with respect.ā
āThe stupidest thing you can possibly do, if you want to save democracy, is to call your opponent gammon.ā
Boris Johnson's Brexit plan hangs by thread as EU dismisses weekend talks | Brexit | The Guardian
EU
NO. NO! We shanāt set aside a weekend for pretend āintensive negotiationsā when you canāt be arsed to provide workable solutions.
theguardian.com/politics/2019/ā¦
EU
NO. NO! We shanāt set aside a weekend for pretend āintensive negotiationsā when you canāt be arsed to provide workable solutions.
theguardian.com/politics/2019/ā¦
EU:
āWe will meet again on Monday to give the UK another opportunity to present its proposals in detail.ā The spokeswoman added that the proposals did not āprovide a basis for concluding an agreementā.
āWe will meet again on Monday to give the UK another opportunity to present its proposals in detail.ā The spokeswoman added that the proposals did not āprovide a basis for concluding an agreementā.
āAn EU official said: āThe UK often asks for meetings to keep [the] process going; we agree we should leave no stone unturned. But there is nothing useful that could be done this weekend.ā
This might have focussed on Qatar, Egypt & Nigeria but it caught my attention because, like so much of the Brexit astroturfing, it was being driven by PR firms.
Here a load of Facebook messaging apparently fronted by grassroots campaigns came through associates of Lynton Crosby
Here a load of Facebook messaging apparently fronted by grassroots campaigns came through associates of Lynton Crosby
Many of us have noticed a big uptick in divisive tweets dripping into our accounts.
Worth stopping to think whether they too are being driven by a series of āprofessionalā orgs just as here.
I know that @marcowenjones has been researching an overlap between this story & Brexit
Worth stopping to think whether they too are being driven by a series of āprofessionalā orgs just as here.
I know that @marcowenjones has been researching an overlap between this story & Brexit
So you have a sense of the familiar ground that seems to be common between this Qatar etc story and what is happening here, a little reminder of one of the U.K. Brexit/ Johnson based stories. Here is just one link.
theguardian.com/politics/2019/ā¦
theguardian.com/politics/2019/ā¦
