Last part -
BN - is 7b is engaged then 7b should be engaged, in the way it was framed - it was said it was engaged.
BN - [addressing whether the in app communication - hard to prove - as whole thing shut down long ago - (goes to ability to prove what went on) BN addressing HR commision
- GI doesnt include thoughts & feelings
- chief justice for SA -when you have multiple purposes - you look at text and context on cases
BN - engage with conduct - 'her gender characteristics are why she is being treated like a man'

Part 4 -(Correction on MM, the name was actually Elodie Nadon, apologies)
Counsel coming in. BN - parties rely on conditions of court (lists paragraphs)
BN - speaks of the content of a treaty obligation what it depends on - reads the interpretative principles -
- given weight - footnote says taken as a whole - the int law,... BN says court only takes on recommendations

Part 3
BN - Have to engage with case as pleaded.
Honor made remarks - there is a division tween direct and indirect discrimination (dis')
Only one way to pursue this case is it has to be direct - indirect in discrimination -
J says planning direct and indirect discrimination.. J reiterates PLAINLY dir and indir discrimination.
J asking if only handling direct - not a way to procede
BN and arguing -BN arguing about a comparative class -
J says should address both,
BN says will do so - but makes the point - that the case has changed - as imprudent

Part 2 -
Ms Mcdonn (MM)
MM - reading sections relating to justifying (SG been charged 200K aggravated damages)
Puts to J that should refer to that section due to the extent of hurt as purpose of SDA - to protect -
- sustained misgendering for 3 years

J - queries... J - read Caplan relates to actual conduct
mm - continued misgendering
J - when is the first act relied upon - the more conduct is removed from initial acts - more it weakens the argument
-MM - [repeats misgendering]
-J bulk of case about tweets and so on
..

DAY 3 - Giggle vs Tickle
DAY 2 - will commence 10.15 am Syd/Australia Time
Abbreviations
J = Justice Robert Bromwich

Giggle's Counsel
BN = Bridie Nolan

COUNSEL FOR TICKLE:
GC = Georgina Costello
BG = Briana Goding

SG = Sall Grover
RT = Roxanne Tickle
CW = Colin Wright AHRC - Australian Human Rights Commission
ZH - Zelie Heger (counsel)
AC - Anna Cody - Sex Discrimination Commissioner
Further abbreviations:
LAAW - Lived as a women
TW - Transgender Women
App - Giggles for Girls App

Last Part -
ZH - [looking at sections of documents to define terms - special measures and equality, how CEDAW relates to this...
- is court acting with reasonableness and the capacity of the measure; how it was executed 4 issues of sections or questions
1. what does women mean - if TW is excluded and is a women - thats relevant
2. does the app fit into the description of discriminating
How does the app fit into the categories regardless of sexual orientation, pregnancy etc no distinctions

PART 4 - Counsels starting to return. ZH (Zelie Hegel) for everyone's info is counsel for AHRC. Correcting name from last thread. Waiting on Giggle's counsel and Judge
Time is 2pm. ZH - giving submission
- SDA go through
- Key legal questions with case
- Sex mean?
- Relates to GI?
-Special Measures?
Does section have an effect?
Sections 9, 10, 11 - whether section 5-30 gives effect.
How it apply s to trading org.s

PART 3 - [Organizing next steps]
(Note using [ and ] to paraphrase conversations)

BN - objecting to ad nauseam questions asked about tweets - that were offensive. Points out RT is blocked - so RT couldn't have seen all those tweets Sall Grover made. GC - the issue is that BN has said that RT can not be offended for tweets that RT didn't see.
J - said these tweets in evidence
GC - objects - that RT needs to be asked if has seen the question
J - said should have raised that

PART 2 -
NEW ABBREVIATIONS:
du? = didn't you?
wua? = wouldn't you agree?
u = you
dk = don't know
Court starting to come back in... GC - Crowdfunding questions - Giggle received via CR yes? SG yes.
GC - CF by website?
SG - No, by supporters.
GC - Who is it?
SG - she's anonymous
J - why want to know?
GC - drawing ties to funding and with Giggle's balance.

DAY 2 - will commence 10.15 am Syd/Australia Time
Abbreviations
J = Justice Robert Bromwich

Giggle's Counsel
BN = Bridie Nolan

COUNSEL FOR TICKLE:
GC = Georgina Costello
BG = Briana Goding

SG = Sall Grover
RT = Roxanne Tickle
CW = Colin Wright AHRC - Australian Human Rights Commission
ZH - Zelie Hegel (counsel)
GE - Graeme Egerton
LR - Lara Renton

PART 3 - 2.15 pm - counsels returning to court. J has arrived - court commenced.
GC is objecting to Helen Joyce's affadavit.
Objection - is not qualified on Australian laws - or scientific or psychological territory.

Part 2 - 11:43 am (continuing) Discussing
Para 4 1st sentence - (may be on online resources discussed to be provided) - J is asking the statement of truth or evidence of state of mine - (legitimacy of statement/evidence?) J - para 6 - objection - is an opinion, hearsay - not a witness - BN objection - that its a rolled up phrase -J Para 7? BN - (have to clarify this convo later)

The Tickle Vs Giggle case is being heard in federal court in Sydney, Australia. Evidence is expected to begin on Tuesday 9 April 2024, 9.30 am Sydney Time. This is a great video to watch in the lead up for tomorrow's Tickle v Giggle hearing. Full clip:

This is the second part of the afternoon session in employment tribunal 'Hannah' v [a school] and Nottinghamshire County Council. Part 1 of the afternoon is here

https://x.com/tribunaltweets2/status/1771172504507146502

J: [cannot hear]
PS: I have copies but literally only just now.
PS: Not sure if witness available on Monday.

Good afternoon; this is DAY 4 of employment tribunal, 'Hannah' v a primary school & Nottinghamshire County Council.

Ex-Teacher 'Hannah' alleges she was sacked for refusing to treat an 8-year-old girl as a boy and claims unfair dismissal.

The hearing will restart at 2pm Our coverage of the previous sessions, including this morning, is at tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/hannah-v-a-p…

Welcome back to DAY 4 of 'Hannah' v primary school and Nottinghamshire County Council. This is part 2 of the morning session. 12.05 start.

#OpenJustice

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[Court begins 12.08]
PS: may I begin?
J: yes
PS: can we have another quick look at 138: The suspension letter. Front what u say the decision to suspend wasn't ur decision
HT: it was taken in conjunction with HR

Good morning and welcome to DAY 4 of employment tribunal, 'Hannah' v a primary school & Nottinghamshire County Council.

Ex-Teacher 'Hannah' alleges she was sacked for refusing to treat an 8-year-old girl as a boy and claims unfair dismissal. 10am start

tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/hannah-v-a-p…
Alongside the anonymity of 'Hannah', there's a number of reporting restrictions on the names of children, staff, witnesses & governors. This is challenging to report, so please bear with us.

Also, the sound has been unstable at times & we do our best to report what we can hear.

This is part 2 of the afternoon session on day 3 of 'Hannah' v [school] & Nottinghamshire County Council. Part 1 is here:

The head teacher HT of [school] is being cross examined on her evidence by Powel Stroilov PS, counsel for the Claimant 'Hannah' (C).

https://twitter.com/tribunaltweets2/status/1770811239486095616

PS: Am just flagging up that this name is going to keep coming up. Will be relevant to letter of 3/9 in the detriments. Chronologically goes back further. 14a this person is relevant, 14b, 14c. Re decisions. Want to explore with HT how this person influenced overall approach also

Welcome to part 1 of the afternoon on day 3 of Hannah v a primary school and Nottinghamshire County council.
We are also live tweeting Lister v New College Swindon on @tribunaltweets Abbreviations:
Claimant
H or C - claimant 'Hannah'

PS - Pavel Stroilov representing C

Respondent
NCC - Nottingham County Council (employer)

GR - Geoff Russell, Counsel for R

EB - Ed Beever, Counsel for R

don't go to her
C: no i dont
GR: go to disc appeal hearing mtg - a bit further on that bundle p1876.
GR: ud attended investgatory, then disc hearing, then appeal - this doc here chaired by R's witness.
Chair says purpose of meeting is...missed this
GR: p1898..pt comes up here - panel is asking these qs bc this is a re - hearing. did u understand this panel were making their own decision

Good morning and welcome to DAY 3 of employment tribunal, 'Hannah' v a primary school & Nottinghamshire County Council. Ex-Teacher 'Hannah' alleges she was sacked for refusing to treat an 8-year-old girl as a boy and claims unfair dismissal. 10am start. We are accessing the hearing remotely. 'Hannah' will continue giving evidence this morning Alongside the anonymity of 'Hannah', there are a number of reporting restrictions on names of children, staff, witnesses & governors. This is challenging to report so please bear with us.