Thread by @TWilsonOttawa

The #MCC opens today’s proceedings with a report from Australia 🇦🇺, points to the #PortArthur mass casualty event, rapid policy reaction.

Here’s the report: masscasualtycommission.ca/files/commissi…

It should be noted that the perp of the NS mass casualty event was unlicensed and his guns were illegal, rendering the gun control regime in Canada useless. 🇨🇦

The research shows that even though gun suicide and homicide rates continue to decline, the number of registered, legal guns has steadily increased 🤔

More guns = less death? 🇦🇺

#MCC

The data suggests that even though numbers of legally owned guns has increased, injuries are down. #SafeGunUse 🇦🇺

There has been no change in suicides by gun with the increased gun control. 🤔 #MCC

Assaults show an increase in younger age bracket (gang related). Suicide rates are highest among men 60+ 🇦🇺🤔#MCC

The data shows that while suicide rates remain unchanged, assaults are increasing in urban areas, happen more among young men, mostly in socioeconomically disadvantaged areas … with ILLEGAL guns 🇦🇺😉 #shocker #MCC

Researcher spends a great deal of time celebrating “brave” politicians for quick policy changes. Says firearm ownership rates have returned to pre Port Arthur rates. 🤔🇦🇺 #MCC

Moved to Question Period

@CivilAdvantage1 begins questions, points to the facts in NS, madman, history of violence, unlicensed, cop gear - what measures in this 🇦🇺 report, would have mitigated or stopped the NS shooting?

Hint: nothing - he circumvented the licensing and legal system 🇨🇦 #MCC

🇦🇺 researcher admits nothing in this report on gun control would have mitigated or prevented the NS shooting.

@CivilAdvantage1 asks if the NS shooting presented an opportunity for a discussion on gun control 🇨🇦

Rod is cut off after pointing out the #MCC paid for this useless report.

Charles Zach, NFA begins. Brings up the wealth of reports available for the Canadian experience. 🇨🇦

Picks apart the NFA (Australian gun control act) #MCC

Zach asks if this is simply an opportunity to support Trudeau’s shameless use of the NS shooting for a gun ban 🇨🇦

Answers, agrees suicide has not been reduced. Says accidents and assaults have reduced as ownership increases🇦🇺

Says there is a greater focus on public safety #MCC

Parkin begins, asks about handgun ownership. Competitive shooting continues, sport is a valid reason to own handguns.

Brings up registration, says 🇨🇦 handguns are registered, storage and transport laws exist, regulated, sales records. #MCC

Asks if the wealth of Canadian gun control contributes to safety in Canada.

Responds, says he has no data on Canada 🇨🇦

NS is in Canada … right? 🤔🤦🏼‍♀️ #MCC

Wendy Cukier (Coalition for Gun Control) begins, long land acknowledgment.

Asks if more guns = makes us safer. Tries to simplify research of Lott, Mauser, Langmann 🇨🇦 #MCC

Cukier asks if there was a gender based analysis of the data. Says he has no data linkage between perp and victim. 🤔🤷🏼‍♀️🇦🇺

Says there is a lot of firearm “intimidation” that doesn’t make it into crime reports. Provides no evidence.

Cukier runs the clock out 🇨🇦 #MCC

Public Safety Canada begins. Asks about ban on private sales, use of dealers to properly track guns. *watch for this now* 🇦🇺🇨🇦

He says clubs are part of the solution with extra safety training. #MCC

Says gun clubs have expanded, being a member is one justification for ownership in 🇦🇺

#MCC

Questions move to the commissioners

Commissioner points out difference between bullet proof and body armour.

Asks about wide support of the NFA (gun control in AUS)

He corrects her, there is absolutely opposition to their overreaching gun control measures 🇦🇺🇨🇦 #MCC

Asks about mental health and firearms ownership. Says it isn’t part of the AUS gun control regime. Says they work with rural doctors to ask questions of patients about access to guns 😳🇦🇺

Says some gun orgs are asked to make this a standard approach #MCC says older men at risk

She asks about gender based analysis. He says no, he knows nothing about any jurisdictions using GBA. Says there is a gap in the data.

*this was the reason she gave for commissioning this PAID study*

Useless 🇨🇦 #MCC

MCC is on 10 minute break ⏰ #MCC

#MCC returns. Participants will make 15 minute presentations pertaining to gun control, access to firearms.

Of note: the perp of the NS shooting was unlicensed and his guns were illegal. Our regime was completely circumvented. 🇨🇦

@CivilAdvantage1 begins, speaks to the importance of listening to various opinions. If the idea here is to reduce, mitigate or stop violence we need an honest conversation. Mentions the NS perp evaded all regulation. 🇨🇦 #MCC

Says the current regime, or even other gun control regulation, couldn’t stop this shooting. Points to existing red flag laws. Says the perp obtained his guns illegally, rendering our system useless in this instance 🇨🇦 #MCC

@CivilAdvantage1 continues, says the time for intervention was 10 years before the event. He was reported many times for illegal guns, violent behaviour, threats. Police intervention should have pre-dated the tragedy 🇨🇦 #MCC

Says our goal should be intervening in violent behaviour, regardless of how it’s committed. We need to focus on the root causes of violence. The NS case was a complicated person.

There isn’t a regulation that could have stopped this 🇨🇦 #MCC

Zach from NFA begins. Says the questions posed to the participants don’t equate to the situation at hand. Says court ordered firearm prohibitions for violent offenders should be implemented, but gun control is useless in this case 🇨🇦 #MCC

Zach continues, points to the failures of prohibition of various items have never been successful. Suggests that the FA has failed in this case. Says you can’t rely on the police either. Says gun control laws focus on legal gun owners instead of perps 🇨🇦 #MCC

Says on the Liberals watch, urban gun and gang crime has only increased, despite increased regulations, gun bans. Brings up self defence. Says it’s the only thing that could have saved lives here. Perp was deterred by people with legal guns 🇨🇦 #MCC

Next witness begins, says we already have strict gun control. Points to provincial rules, even discharge bylaws. Says the current regime is sufficient. 🇨🇦 #MCC

Says rewriting legislation is an over reaction.

Says there must be more implementation of existing regulations. Courts often plea down cases, leaving gaps with gun prohibitions. Says the licensing system vets people sufficiently. 🇨🇦 #MCC shoots down comparisons to AUS and NZ (islands) not bordering US

Transfer of guns: says should be left to local authorities.

Says the current regime should be empowered to work effectively. Says they are working on 2011 budget. They’ve received NO funding to accommodate increased controls 🇨🇦 #MCC

The Libs have left the gun control system sorely underfunded, leaving gaps. Says the healthcare system is also lacking, walk in clinic docs don’t know their patients, can’t intervene. Says there should be more authority for range approval 🇨🇦 wants club membership mandatory #MCC

Says there should be more communication between enforcement and regulatory bodies. Uses #MCC to advocate for more power for CFO’s.

Of note: the perp was not licensed, didn’t belong to a club, smuggled his guns 🇨🇦

Wendy Cukier begins. Says regulation won’t stop violence but we need a stronger approach. Says there is no right to own guns, says handguns should be banned. Wants no self defence discussion. 🇨🇦 #MCC

Pats Libs on the back for gun bans, handgun import ban, C21. Says CFO power is quite broad but isn’t being used. Brings up lack of reference checks, spousal checks. Wants #LGR brought back.

Side bar: none of this applied to the NS shooter 🤷🏼‍♀️🇨🇦 #MCC

Drones on about gun bans, worried about implementation of confiscation. Wants more power for doctors to intervene with police. Wants a community response. Says existing red flags aren’t used. Says guns in communities are risky. 🇨🇦 #MCC

Again, NS shooter evaded our system

Wants immediate, proactive confiscation when gun owners expire, die. Wants mandatory reporting by docs. Compares driving approval. Praises QC Law 9. Says the existing laws are not applied, but wants more. Says most mass shooters are licensed. (Not the one we are discussing) #MCC

Brings up the UN declaration. Wants additional marking on guns. Says more must be done to control border. Says the US guy who brings in gun and says he forgot, could be a criminal. Says our regime does work 🤔 wants a gender lense 🇨🇦 #MCC

Public Safety Canada begins. Speaks to access, various types of violence. Wants to look at existing tools. Says we must better understand the problems. 🇨🇦 #MCC

Says she can’t comment on enforcement

Commissioner asks CFO about being consulted by policy makers. Says he’s never been consulted even though he’s on the front line … 🇨🇦🤷🏼‍♀️ #MCC

Says court ordered prohibitions often exempt hunting. Says there is a disconnect between regulation, enforcement and court orders. Commissioner asks how we can connect the dots. Says it’s the decision makers 🇨🇦 #MCC

Asks about existing tools. CFO reiterates lack of budget, funding. Need to evaluate funding, staff. Commissioner says assuming no funding is coming, should we prioritize instead. Lol. Which part should be overlook? Fund this @marcomendicino 🇨🇦 #MCC

Cukier is asked about barriers. Says there is a lack of data, reporting. Speaks to gaps in vetting (I ATIP’d this - you’re welcome). Again, there are no additional resources in over 10 years. Says vetters “like” guns so aren’t thorough. Shot at CFO 🇨🇦 #MCC

Cukier continues to drone on, given monopoly on time. Says data, process and investments require more accountability.

Hill thanks participants. MCC thanks Hill and participants. Signs off. 🇨🇦 #MCC