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Jan 13, 2019 28 tweets 18 min read
In list of items Facebook covered up, this report deserves questions under oath if FB won't answer press. Facebook's CTO said he didn't know nearly 6 million Fake Accounts, Fake Likes were deleted after 2016 election? And Facebook doesn't know countries?
From docs unsealed in fall 2018 from a lawsuit. press reported it appears to be discovery from internal Facebook communications discussing strategy to cover up a fairly large mistake.
Never dug into Zuckeberg lieutenant @boztank's old tweets but note how he failed to mention what he calls Cambridge Analytica's "certification" wasn't even legally useful and came more than 16 months, a brexit and US election after Facebook knew about it.
Truth always comes out. I’ve been suspecting much of this but DC attorney general has a nuclear bomb to drop on Facebook. These docs need to be unsealed and then top brass should resign. documentcloud.org/documents/5777…
Again, if execs knew before Dec 9, 2015 then perjury is even less debatable than it already is. FB execs went out of their way testifying only “2015” until squeezed into “Dec 2015” for date of first knowledge. In addition hired Joseph Chancellor in between Sept and Dec 2015.
Testimony to Whitehouse, Doyle, a few others will be key off top of my head. Also this here with Sen Kamala Harris.
Also worth noting if this is the same email chain which ICO referenced to @CommonsCMS but never released then it’s all about which employees and what was communicated to where in the company.
@CommonsCMS Reading more closely, my favorite section of the filing against Facebook is the reference to Brown & Williamson v FTC which is apropos.
Here are a couple relevant transcripts from CEO Zuckerberg's testimony and written answers. You can see how they often tried to just say the entire year 2015 but ultimately stated they took action immediately after being made aware when Guardian reported.
putting aside the fact Zuckerberg testified to
@SenWhitehouse
they received legal certification from Cambridge Analytica when really they received a legally useless document 16 months later after Brexit and after US election.
@AGKarlRacine
@SenWhitehouse @AGKarlRacine Actually reviewing my notes, Zuckerberg testimony to @USRepMikeDoyle was the clearest testimony that he found out after the Guardian report.
@SenWhitehouse @AGKarlRacine @USRepMikeDoyle it was also touched on by @RepAnnaEshoo. Here are more relevant exchanges from Congressional testimony.
@SenWhitehouse @AGKarlRacine @USRepMikeDoyle @RepAnnaEshoo and of course, @IanCLucas has by far been most diligent at trying to get a simple answer when Zuckerberg was first aware. This video makes clear they don't want to answer considering exchange was after 6 months and many obfuscated answers from Facebook.
Wow. Overnight, Facebook put out another statement attempting to separate the CA reference in DC AGs filing as a different activity. This will only surface even more questions. theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/m…
This is why failure to disclose facts and consistent obfuscation bites them. So who exactly was aware of this speculation that Cambridge Analytica was “scraping data” in Sept 2015? Release the emails then if it’s something different.
So even in FB new timeline of events:
- sep 2015, FB employee speculation CA is scraping data
- dec 2015 news report GSR harvesting/selling to CA - apr 2017 CA sends useless legally doc saying they no longer have data - mar 2018 FB informs users after blows wide open.
And despite this in the final @CommonsCMS report referencing emails related to the GSR breach, Facebook is saying the emails were unrelated. 👀
So FB is confirming awareness CA was trying to do bad stuff, something still would have caused rumors they were scraping and a DC employee knew about it. So which one? DC means puts this directly into politics. DC also handled other GSR/CA matters in 2017.
This new info, @juliacarriew reporting on Facebook's awareness of CA in Sept 2015 just makes Facebook's Simon Milner's evidence even more dubious. Read. It. Again. This was one month PRIOR to March 2018 press reports on Facebook/Cambridge Analytica. data.parliament.uk/writtenevidenc…
@juliacarriew @CommonsCMS by the way, if you can't sense the arrogance in this answer, you should watch video. "Simon Milner: There can be all kinds of things that these organisations
do. I think what data they have would be a good question to ask them, rather than us. We have no insight on that."
@juliacarriew @CommonsCMS Bottom-line: 1) Facebook hearing 3pm ET today in DC. 2) FB produced 130k docs in response to DC subpoena. 3) FB is fighting super hard to keep one doc from being disclosed. Same doc UK ICO also didn't disclose thru Parliament report. 4) Involves DC sales execs' emails about CA.
@juliacarriew @CommonsCMS @ICOnews @AGKarlRacine @IanCLucas @DamianCollins I'm fairly confident these are same internal comms Facebook wants sealed. Left is DC court filing. Right is DCMS report. CEO has obfuscated/dodged timeline. New info is DC-based employee(s) involvement in Sept '15, 3mo before Guardian reported, 2mo before FB hired Chancellor.
@juliacarriew @CommonsCMS @ICOnews @AGKarlRacine @IanCLucas @DamianCollins Here is the fuller context including redactions. Facebook has provided another statement overnight saying this was a different Cambridge Analytica incident (attached). This should be unsealed at this point. Shine the light. documentcloud.org/documents/5777…
Hearing just ended. Multiple ppl present sharing supposedly internal Sep 2015 Facebook emails about Cambridge Analytica scraping data included employee(s) from CA office, too. A big deal and inconsistent with how I read this sentence from FB’s filing which suggests DC sales only.
FB and DC AG continue to volley filings back and forth over Cambridge Analytica. This over the weekend. I find it amusing as it defies most consumers’ experience to suggest a “reasonable person” viewing Facebook’s disclosures of its surveillance would understand them.
FB filed their side of transcript confirming 1) emails about Cambridge Analytica prior to press involved DC and California employees, 2) FB attempts to isolate emails as involving different incident about “data scraping.” Quite unbelievable at this point we can’t see these docs.
Here are two important pages for those following more closely. You can see there is one doc out of 130k from subpoena that Facebook really wants to keep sealed. Why? It’s a thread predating Cambridge Analytica press by three months.
Trying to reconcile this description by FB lawyers filed over weekend in DC courts of a doc it’s desperate to keep sealed (“takes place between a number of Facebook employees located all over the country”) with UK reports suggesting only 3 senior managers were aware pre-Dec.

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Feb 20
Well said. In a tweet, Facebook deceived and covered up the real harms exposed by its core surveillance business model. When Congress, FTC and SEC allowed them to settle for $5B+, Apple stepped in and rightly treated Facebook’s tracking us as a real security risk. Here we are.
ps there is no empirical research I’ve seen to suggest limiting tracking is good for Google like it is for Apple. Apple’s revenue comes mostly from end consumers. Google, just like Facebook, gets most of its revenue from advertising and a majority of its data from 3rd parties.
The trick for Google is to leverage its market power, browser dominance, search dominance, operating system dominance and adtech buying/selling dominance to invent a new way to track users and then label it “privacy” in the interests of web. Much better position than Facebook.
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Feb 20
Wow. Late Friday, Gibson Dunn, the law firm shielding Facebook in Cambridge Analytica cover-up suits, appeared to tell DC Court "discovery is over" despite NdCal Court just last week inviting plaintiffs file for sanctions of Facebook and the firm for obstructing discovery. /1
It seems Gibson Dunn even took the words of the new Judge on the case from the last hearing and attempted to reframe them as if he also said discovery is over although anyone following the hearing would realize the different context of his wanting to push it along. /2
Facebook even argues it only claims privilege on communications of "only a small portion" of its employees *which is entirely false.* About 4,200 Facebook employees were in its privilege log which was filed publicly before they asked to also have it covered up, too. /3
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Feb 18
Lol. Let me explain privacy laws headed toward enforcement (CPRA, GDPR) and gatekeeper laws (Digital Markets Act) plus those that do both (eg German federal cartel office decision and antitrust lawsuits based on data abuse). In other words, RIP Facebook surveillance biz model. /1 Image
This message from a company that has actual fraud allegations against it for knowingly inflating its potential reach metrics causing advertising buyers to shift their overall spending mix after settling other elevations of knowingly reported false metrics. Evidence unsealed. /2 Image
When these companies say their Facebook rates went way up, pls make sure to ask if 1) they’ve found other ways to reach their audience and 2) how their biz is doing overall. Welfare and revenue shifts. Facebook’s problems are opportunities for others more focused on consumers. /3 Image
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Feb 17
“Throwback Thursday” (whatever happened to that?). Facebook stock crossed key milestone yesterday - dropping below its July 2018 high - #tbt /1 cnbc.com/2018/11/20/fac…
That was FBs 2018 peak after rebounding from Cambridge Analytica. The reason FB recovered was public treated it as a data leak rather than cover-up. @sal19’s report came a week after only time Sheryl Sandberg testified to Congress - no questions were able to be asked about it. /2
Fast forward four years, multiple whistleblowers, significant harms, Apple kneecapping FB’s surveillance. 14yrs of discovery on Sandberg and Zuckerberg’s messages was just ordered by courts, deposition of Zuckerberg and shareholder derivative lawsuits underway, SEC looming. /3
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Feb 15
A few thoughts on this massive settlement for Facebook allegedly tracking users across the web even after they logged out, yes we flagged these issues in a WSJ op-ed back in 2014 when Facebook did a "bait and switch" to monetize this data after promising publishers otherwise. /1
It's worth noting for those who follow me closely, this isn't even a case I have mentioned recently. I say that to you as an indicator of how many lawsuits and how much Facebook has likely violated consumer expectations, civil society, markets and democracy globally. /2
I think this single line in the summary arguments may end up being most interesting as it moves the line in data abuse by a major platform beyond individual privacy harm to economic harm even if the value of the data isn't transferred but instead copied/replicated. /3
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Feb 11
Pretty good report on the earth shaking decision that the IAB’s consent framework and related pop up spam in Europe is illegal. Two unfortunate perspectives included in the piece that i’d like to flag to everyone. /1
This data point is highly misleading and comes from the same group behind the framework at issue. For actual legit quality publishers, these types of ads are very much a minority of the ad revenues albeit they’re a majority of the impressions. That’s part of the problem. /2
This business professor shows up whenever there is a need to lobby the surveillance advertising and adtech lobby pov. I don’t get it. Regardless I would strongly urge no one go to him for legal advice. Strongly. /3
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