Thread by @AbdulMurtad

In this thread i am going to debunk all the scientific miracles of Quran .This thread can be used as a one stop reference thread to clarify everything about scientific miracles of Quran.

Cc: @Aabhas24 @Sanjay_Dixit @sankrant @mariawirth1 @ShefVaidya @TarekFatah @SanjeevSanskrit

I am starting with debunking of 3 major scientific miracles of Quran after that i will add 3 -4 scientific inaccuracies of Quran every Friday . Please save this thread so that no one near you falls in the trap of muslim apologists.

The subject of scientific miracles in Quran is not a new thing . I never wanted to address it again [ i previously debunked this miracles on my id @apostatesofindia but unfortunately it got suspended ] . unfortunately many non Muslims still gets trapped by Muslims due

to these scientific miracles of Quran . I recently talked to some new Muslim converts and asked them why they converted to Islam .The first reason they gave was the scientific miracles of quran . So i have decided to address this issue one last time . This time on twitter

CLAIM 1 : The theory of Big Bang is mentioned in quran , quran 21:30 mentions about big bang{ref : pic}

REFUTATIONS : The simple refutation to this is that Ms don't understand the scientific theory of Big Bang. The verse 21:30 says that the earth and heaven were together

and then seperated . Since the earth began existing 9 Billions years after the big bang , this verse clearly doesn't refer to the big bang . The truth is that this verse waas borrowed by Islam from the ancient religion of Sumerians . In their faith the heavens and earth were

together but then separated by a god named Enlil . Incidentally this Enlil god also ordered a global flood when he was fed up with humans .

reference : Enlil - the Sumerian God who split the heavens and the Earth and ordered a global flood
newworldencyclopedia.org/e...

CLAIM 2 : The quran mentions 1400 years ago in Sura Furqan chapter number 25 verse number 61 , that the moon don't have its own light but it have reflected light . They say that the arabic word "noor" or "muneer" means reflected light or borrowed light

REFUTATIONS : Well ,

Aristarchus of Samos knew the moon reflecting the sun's light nearly a thousand years before muhammad was even born . But my point is that the moon reflecting sun's light is again not mentioned in Quran. "noor" means light , plain or simple . The word "noor" or "muneer" appears

39 times in the quran [ ref : 2:17, 2:257, 3:184, 4:174 , 5:15 , 5:16, 5:44 , 5:46 , 6:1 , 6:91 , 6:122 , 7:157 , 9:32 , 10:5 , 13:16 , 14:1 , 14:5 , 22:8 , 24:35 , 24:40, 25:61 , 31:20 , 33:43 , 33:46 , 35:20 , 35:25 , 39:22 , 39:69 , 42:52 , 57:9 , 57:12 , 57:13 , 57:19 , 57:28

, 61:8, 64:8, 65:11 , 66:8 , 71:16 . I challenge anyone to find a verse using the word "noor" to clearly mean "reflected light" . Nowhere at all does it appear to be talking about reflected light . Let's read a couple of verses having word "noor" in it and see whether

the definition of word "noor" that Muslims gives make sense ;

2:257 : Allah is the guardian of those who believe . he brings them out of the darkness into (REFLECTED) light .

9:32 : They desire to put out (REFLECTED) light of Allah with their mouths.

24:35 : Allah is

the (REFLECTED) light of the heavens and the earth .

Chapter 24 of the quran is also called SURAT AN NOOR . Show me any quran which calls this chapter ' The chapter of reflected light' .

In quran we have this verse in SURAT AL QIYAMA , chapter 75 , verse 8 (ref pic) telling

us the moon will loose its own light on judgement day .

ps : Aristarchus of Samos on reflected light
www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/B...

I've looked at all the major Sunni exegeses - Ibn Kathir , Jalalayn , tabari , tanwir al miqbas all all of them say clearly that the moon has its own light extinguished . No reference at all to the reflected Light .

CLAIM 3 : The quran says 1400 years ago in 79:30 that the earth is geospherical in shape . The arabic word 'dahaha' in this verse is derived from duhya which means the egg of an Ostrich

REFUTATIONS : Again , our friend Aristarchus of Samos knew the earth was spherical

nearly a thousand years before Muhammad was born but he wasn't the first . Aristotle knew Earth's shape before him and there are indications that Pythagoras , who died over a thousand years before , Muhammad existed was the first to understand the earth's shape . Aristarchus

observed the Earth's shape by looking at number of lunar eclipses and seeing earth's round shadow cast onto the moon's surface but another Greek scientist Eratosthenes who lived around 950 years before muhammad existed not only knew the earth was spherical but measured the

circumference of earth by using the Sun shadow at Noon in two nearby Egyptian cities and then calculated the distance between them . He was accurate to the figure we know today to roughly 1% which is astonishing , I'd say that is far more impressive than someone 800 years later

saying it was egg shaped . But again did Muhammad actually say the earth was egg shaped . Well the quran clearly states the earth is flat , like a carpet or wide expanse in 18 quranic verses . [ ref: 2:22,2:36,4:97 , 7:24 , 13:3 , 15:19 , 20:53 , 27:61 , 40:64 , 43:10 , 50:7 ,

51:48 , 71:19 , 77:25 , 78:6 , 84:3 , 88:20 , 91:6] .

Muslims ignore all these verses and then goes to one verse , pick one word from that verse and then claim that the meaning of that word is ostrich egg . Let's see if Dahaha actually means what muslims claim . AT TABARI

exegesis , one of the most thorough in Islamic history cites 18 different hadiths relating to an explanation of this verse . Not a single hadith says it means that the earth is spherical . If muslims actually understood arabic , they would know dahaha means extending .

It isn't even the name for an ostrich egg . The only reason it's mildly associated is because an ostrich produces an expanse , with a small bit of the ground , where it lays its eggs . So even with this meaning the word is referring to the place where an ostrich egg is laid ,

and has nothing to do with egg itself .

reference : Tabari source on dahaaha altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?t...

CLAIM 4 : Quran says in chapter 21 verse 33 , that besides the sun revolving , it even rotates about its own axis .

REFUTATIONS : The verse 21:33 makes absolutely no mention of the sun spinning on its own axis . Not a single exegesis in Islam makes this claim either .

The quran is clearly geocentric . Idiotic yet honest clerics who don't try to change the meaning of the verse in the quran agree . {refer : }

CLAIM 5 : The expanding of the universe is mentioned in the quran 1400 years ago in SURA DHARIYAT , chapter number 51 verse number 47 .

REFUTATIONS : The way Muslims make this claim is by changing the Arabic word in the quran to mean something entirely different to the original

This is evident once again if u look at all translations pre 1920s and when Hubble and science made this discovery and not the Muslims for some reasons which would be surprise if they genuinely had this in their book to give them such a big clue , however what occurs here

is a subtle change to the Arabic word "MOUSI'UN" into "MUASI'UN".

The original says : God created the heavens and he is surely capable of doing so . When it's changed to mean wide expanse or extending . It's a subtle change to the original word ,but it conveniently changes

its meaning to try and deceive

CLAIM 6 : Quran mentions about water cycle in several verses in great details in several verses like 39:21 , 30:24,15:22 , 23:18 , 24:43 , 30:48 , 7:17 , 25:48-49 , 35:9 , 36:34 , 67:30 , 86:11 .

REFUTATIONS : 7:17 is entirely irrelevant to water altogether and 39:21 is

probably the most detailed out of the bunch . As you can see it's certainly not miraculous knowledge . The ancient Greeks and Indians knew a lot more about the water cycle

{refer pics } .

CLAIM 7 : Many Muslims claim that the concept of PARTHENOGENESIS is mentioned in quran and quran gave this concept 1400 years ago on asked for reference they claim that jesus [ Isā ibn Maryam ] was a result of PARTHENOGENESIS .

REFUTATIONS : Parthenogenesis is a form of

asexual reproduction in which fertilisation is not required. Everybody have learned about it in school with regard to honeybees. Male honeybees (drones) are the product of parthenogenesis whereas females are born by normal sexual reproduction.

So does this mean that Jesus could have been the result of parthenogenesis?

Unfortunately, no. There are a couple of major issues with this. Mammals do not show parthenogenesis in the wild. Scientists have managed to induce parthenogenesis in a few species, but this often

results in abnormal development. There is no indication that viable humans can be created purely by parthenogenesis, but there is research on parthenogenetic stem cells. If that seems to leave possibilities open, here comes the kicker: If Jesus were the product of parthenogenesis

it would have been a woman. Honeybees do not have sex chromosomes, which is why the queen is able to parthenogenically give birth to drones. But human sex is determined by the X, Y chromosomes.Females have XX chromosomes and males have XY. If Mary gave birth to Jesus

parthenogenically, where exactly did he get the Y chromosome from?

I have seen some absolute mental gymnastics to claim a possibility, but clutching at straws is not enough to describe it .

You know what I find really baffling?

The folks who believe in the virgin birth usually believe in more articles of faith. Christians believe that Jesus was resurrected after his death. And Muslims believe that he was raised to heaven directly without dying. How exactly are you

going to prove that? If you can accept that on faith, why don’t you accept this too without doing any mental gymnastics and making scientific claims ?

CLAIM 8 : The speed of light is mentioned in quran in chapter 32 verse 5(refer pic) . You will find many articles on internet (refer pic ) and videos on youtube posted by many famous and influential islamic channels giving an explanation for the verse 32:5 .

If that article sounded too weird here is a summary: Light travels in a day the distance equal to what the moon covers in 1000 lunar years.

REFUTATIONS : There are many problems associated with that verse lets take a look at some of them .

The first thing to do while interpreting Quran verses is to try to find a few others like it. Here is 22:47(refer pic) . This makes it pretty clear that the meaning is that "A day of Allah is like thousand years of man" rather than

"Light moves in a day what the moon moves in a thousand years". Remember there was nothing literal in the original verse about the angels or the moon and all that was "interpreted " in. Meanwhile, this verse is about as clear as it gets. There is another verse(70:4) that talks

about angels explicitly, but that gives a very different number. That doesn’t match now, does it? I have checked multiple Tafsirs from different Islamic eras, and none of them say that 32:5 has anything about moon or angels. And all of them which go into any depth agree that

it is about the comparison of Allah’s time to humans’.
And even if we accept the claim in the article, do the numbers work out?

The moon’s orbit is low-eccentricity and can be reasonably approximated to a circle.The moon is at an average distance of about R=3.844×10^8 m from

from earth . In 1000 lunar years, the moon would revolve N=1000×12 times around the earth. If that is the distance that light travels in a day (T=86400 s), the speed of light c=2πR×N/T=3.354×10^8 m/s.That is an overestimate by more than 10%. It would have been more accurate

if the verse said nine hundred years. Are they saying that the Quran got the distance wrong?

Actually, there is more. The lunar month, as we measure from new moon to new moon, is the synodic period that is, with respect to the sun. With respect to the faraway stars, the moon

actually completes a revolution in 27.3 days (sidereal period). Thus, the moon moves a greater distance in a revolution. Including this gives a larger value for the speed of light: 3.62×10^8 m/s. With this, getting a reasonable value close to the real speed of light would have

required the verse to have eight hundred years. So in short quran says nothing about the speed of light .

CLAIM 9 : 57:25 says that iron in earth is of extraterrestrial origin.

REFUTATIONS : The explanation given is that the word anzalna (sent down) means something sent down from outside the earth.

This claim is easily countered by looking at the other occurrences of the word. Most of the time, anzalna is used for “the message” (24:46) / Quran (59:21) / Torah (5:44). There are a few mentions of sending down a plague (2:59), Manna-Salwa (7:160) etc.

All this could indeed be claimed to be extraterrestrial. But turns out there are a few mentions of sending down water as well (15:22, 18:45). Surely, you don’t mean that the rains are of extraterrestrial origin!

The clinching evidence is 7:26, where the word is used for clothing! Clearly, the entire premise is based on this stretching of meaning.