Thread by @mmpandit

Shri @nileshoak is now worried because the second part of the debate will show big holes in his #5561BCE theory.
So let me point out using basic logic what all went wrong in his theory:
10 points of loss you can understand.
Short thread.

1. First point: Confuses Moon phase nearing Amavasya for a full Moon on the 14th night of the war.
How can an astronomer confuse something so basic
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cc: @nileshoak
2. Second point: Unable to corroborate his own Moonphase analogies. Puts 3 of the 12 full Moons which occur every year in the last seven days of the war.
astronomyofindia.wordpress.com/2020/03/05/556…

3. @nileshoak
Unable to corroborate his own Balarama’s pilgrimage and shifts blame saying “If I can’t corroborate then nobody can”
You can see how we corroborate it astronomyofindia.wordpress.com/2020/05/11/bal…

4. Fourth point: Shri @nileshoak casually calls others theories as fraudulent when his own theory is unable to corroborate a single point.... you can search Twitter for this. What do you call this?
Kuthla Nyayadarshana hay? 😂😂😂

5. Unable to corroborate a single point of Bhisma Moksha: starts shifting the blame onto conjecture after conjecture. Asta navatee (98 day) becomes 92 in Phalguna Masa instead of 58 day and Magha masa explicitly mentioned.
astronomyofindia.wordpress.com/2020/05/11/a-b…

6. Unable to corroborate the “Versimilitude score” mentioned in his blog on Bhisma Moksha on day of/ after Winter Solstice: because the Sun stands still for 3 days after Solstice. Hence Bhisma Moksha only on 4th day after Winter Sostice and not on the day of Winter solstice:

7. In 5561BCE, confuses the references completely for Jupiter and is unable to corroborate Jupiter’s position: how
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8. In 5561BCE, confuses the references completely for Saturn and is unable to corroborate Saturn’s position:
How?
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9. In 5561BCE, confuses the position of Pluto which is 30+ degrees away also because of an old ephemeris:

: (by the way, Pluto actually is at Krittika in 3067BCE... )
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https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1259839280446406657?s=21

10. This is the tip of the iceberg. To really under what all went wrong with the #5561BCE theory: check out:
astronomyofindia.wordpress.com/2020/03/05/556…

Sab nikal gaya. Sabko pata chal gaya. It’s over bar the shouting:)

By the way:
You may remember the Sunnashepa method which “was showing Adhika Masa in 5561BCE and not in 3067BCE”
Guess what.
Royal disaster for 5561BCE.
Alhena/Varuna And directly observed both do not show #Adhikamasa for 5561BCE.
SS of the skymaps will follow

Now, let’s come to “Nyayadarshana” theory as interpreted by Shri Nilesh Oak:
As per his own slide, he has lost because of “Errors in Comprehension”
in verses of nearly all planetary positions:
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Saturn/Jupiter/Mars/Mercury and Pluto are all wrong. Check above videos:

Now let’s check out another Nyayadarshana theory as per Shri Nilesh Oak himself:
All 5 of these 5 boxes are failed by his theory.
Why?
Calling others theories fraudulent/juvenile and >50 conjectures. Ignorance in calling late waning phase Moon as near full Moon. Want more?
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Some of you won’t believe me: for those mahanubhavas who don’t believe me, here is the SS showing exactly how Shri Oak want to call others fraudulent and juvenile. It’s called Overton window sledging.
Favourite of the Left... yeh shobha nahi deta in this debate bhai!!
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When you read “fraudulent/juvenile” you think in your head... perhaps it’s actually “fraudulent/juvenile”.
But in actual fact... these are allegations/labelling...
Is the theory of 3067BCE scientific or not? Check thread:
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https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1234745638295871488?s=21

https://twitter.com/mmpandit/status/1234745638295871488

Multiple times that Shri Oak fails his own theory of Nyayadarshana: lands up in severe defeat every time:
Why?
Check multiple times he calls others theory fraudulent. Yeh Naxals ka tactic hai bhai: No place in a Dharma debate.
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Another one!!

This is just the tip of the iceberg:
Check out:
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“Fraud is attempted” according to her by Dr Achar/Raghavan and whoever is subscribed to the #3067BCE theory.
What is the game being played here?

Now I know that Shri @NileshOak won’t believe me.
Now, guess why he calls Raghavan a fraud?
Because Raghavan didn’t take Balarama’s pilgrimage into account. But then what about Shri @NileshOak who gets the pilgrimage completely wrong?

Now... check my slides in the first part of the debate... check them in the background. There is a slide for the 14th night Moonrise for 8th Dec/9th Dec 3067BCE.
You will find the same here. Last day of war and pilgrimage coincide perfectly- Dec12th
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A small snapshot of a few of what we can verify in 3067BCE based on those verses for each planet/each timeline we showed you and a small snapshot of what went wrong in #5561BCE:

Now, many of you may be wondering that Shri @NileshOak only got:
1. Moonphases wrong
2. Saturn wrong
3. Jupiter wrong
4. Mercury wrong
5. Balarama’s pilgrimage wrong
6. Mission of peace wrong
7. War timeline wrong.
So he must have got Bhisma correct?

To get to the crux of what happened to Bhisma in #5561BCE, start thinking about the mistaken Amavasya start to the war: so war timeline AND Bhisma TL start date is wrong.
He ended it on Winter Solstice instead of 3 days post.
Therefore Bhisma timeline completely wrong!!

Now, what do I mean by an observed Winter Solstice?
Two verses point of a Sun going Northwards which must be seen with eye and not calculated. This is only on 4th day post Winter solstice which must coincide with Rohini nakshatra day: Only #3067BCE confirms it.
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What are “Moon phase analogies “.
In 5561BCE, comparisons of warrior’s faces/helmets/chariots with a full Moon are used to conjure full Moon every day between day 10 to day 18 of which a Vaishaka + Kartika + Punarvasu Full Moon separated by months in reality occur in last 7 days

The verses before the Arundhati Vasistha observation point to a transient or omen type nature of every observation. Deities vomiting blood, locust storms etc.
In that context, AV observation MUST be taken as an omen.
This is not done in #5561BCE:
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As the context of the AV observation is that of an omen, the observation cannot count as an omen in 5561BCE when Arundhati lead Vasistha for 5500 years.
Instead, it’s an omen in 4500 BCE to 1000 BCE when Vasistha leads and this observation would actually be noticed!
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More mistakes in that #5561BCE date.
1. The solar eclipse supposed to be on 16th Oct is actually on the 17th of October.
2. War cannot start on an Amavasya but near a full Moon (here that mistake also)
3. No solar eclipse possible on 1st day as war can’t start on an Amavasya
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War TL mistakes of #5561BCE:
4. War must end on Shravana nakshatra. Ends on Ashlesha instead as eclipse on 17th instead of 16th Oct, so must push war timeline start ahead by a day! (Which is wrong anyway)
5. War start day wrong, end day wrong!!
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