This is an interview I did with him a couple days after the viewing. Enjoy!
#interview #indiefilm #GreywoodsPlot
Where did the inspiration for Greywood's Plot come from?
Josh Stifter (@joshstifter , JS):
Bunch of shit! I had this idea for a movie where Daniel plays a "doctor Frankenstein" type character and turns me into a spiderman. That was the original concept
I also had this short I wrote about 4 friends that go camping to try to film a Chupacabra and get attacked by zombies (wrote that before the whole Dawn of the Dead/Shawn of the dead zombie movie craze started and sorta' lost the drive to do it).
But I just go so busy I didn't get around to it. Then I turned 30 and realized I still had never made a feature, literally the only thing on my bucket list.
Wait a sec, you worked on Tusk?! What'd you do?
Josh Stifter (@joshstifter , JS):
As far as "style" inspiration - Ed Wood movies, classic monster movies... one huge inspiration was this Island of Dr Moreau rip off called Terror is a Man.
Damn man. I too have a spectacular film failure. And it only cost me about $5k. Were there any ramifications of that initial failure? What was the timeline for that?
Yeah... I mean, we have to fail to make it... it just sucks when it costs us money. Luckily I hadn't spent much and was able to use a lot of the footage from that first failure in the final movie.
Gotcha. So is that why some of the shots look like they were filmed on two different cams?
JS:
The failure was Sept 2016, TGE was 2017, the reshooting was 2018 and then I finished the movie for film fests in 2019.
...maybe? Although they weren't...
I mean, a lot of that might be less that they look like different cams and the illusion of it because I learned how to direct better, I knew how to light better, I had a plan for shots, etc.
It was all filmed on the a6300.
Wow. Really? Speaking of cams can you tell me what the stack was?
Cam/audio/lights/tripod/slider/etc you know the stuff indie film folk love to see.
Sony a6300 for cam, Zoom F4 with a couple Sennheiser LAVs and shot, lights were two fuckin' 1x1 Newegg lights... Not even sure what they are... tripod is nothin' fancy really. Slider was some cheap ass slider from amazon I got for Xmas from my mother-in-law.
I used the Sony because my friends suck at focus so I had to use autofocus for a lot of it to make sure they were getting it.
Did you shoot in 4k? I think the a6300 does 4k...
Was it the Rokinon cine?
They still fucked up a lot of shots though HAHAHA.
Yeah, shot 4k finished in 2k.
S_B:
On a first viewing I didn't notice anything super wild as far as focus being wonky.
Nice. You got some absolutely amazing images in the movie.
Yeah the cine... I'm really happy with the stuff we got but that honestly boils down to just finding a nice angle that explains the moment properly.
And using what you have.
Like those awesome birdhouse shots...
Definitely. The shot composition and the framing were really good.
That one shot toward the end of the movie was absolutely stellar of the birdhouse.
JS:
All just waking up early when fog was rolling in and filming it!
Did you shoot the vast majority of the picture?
How tough was it to check on the frames when you were in the scene?
JS:
I shot the whole thing technically. Like I'd have Daniel or Keith sit in for me to get the angle or how I wanted it to work,
Some scenes though, like anything in my basement at the computer I filmed literally by myself.
And the suicide attempt/bathroom scene I shot that myself as well.
Like literally just me.
Nice.
JS:
It's super tough. It's a lot of guessing work and filming and checking and seeing where I fucked up and doing it again and checking it.
How long did you shoot for?
Oh yeah. It's so tough when you don't have that extra pair of eyes to tell you if it looks alright/worked. And then having to mess with the focus and all that.
There's a reason I don't film myself much at all. And that would be exactly it.
It's hard to say. So we filmed 2 days at the cabin and the chained to the tree stuff and some other random stuff... Then we filmed maybe 6 days in my sister’s backyard. Then a couple days in my basement and garage (where the surgery is) ...
My next film I'm making a whole feature by myself.
It's called Scumbag.
I turned my basement into a weird bunker and wear a gasmask through the whole thing HAHA
You were talking about that earlier. Why on earth would you fly solo for a whole feature? Is that just the nature our of reality right now and wanting to keep the creative juices flowing?
How did that whole process come about? The bunker?
When I was on Rebel I felt like it would be interesting to see someone do a "good" (that's relative but I pretty much mean something where they really try to make a movie and not just pander to the gimmick) movie by themselves.
I wrote it last Sept.
So covid and everything happening is completely coincidence
That's awesome man. Yeah, gimmicks are fun. But the one trick pony does eventually wear out its usefulness.
Now Daniel is the Crazy Surgeon Guy in GP right?
Absolutely. Serendipity at its finest.
How many days have you shot Scumbag so far?
It really is crazy to me the punch that little camera can pack.
Daniel is Doug Greywood/Father Gil.
He's also my cowriter/coproducer/best friend since kindergarten.
Only a couple days on Scummers so far. Plan to hit it harder starting in the next couple weeks.
That's on the Black Magic Ursa Mini.
That's awesome man. He was stellar in GP.
Nice. That's another great camera. How do you decide what camera you will lens a project with?
It's just what I own haha.
I bought the a6300 to shoot my sister in laws wedding and just worked with it.
S_B:
Like many of us indie filmmakers. Nothing wrong with that though. So is it a relatively new acquisition?
The video department I worked for shut down so I bought it off them for next to nothing.
Oh yeah! I mean Greywood's cost around $2k-$3k to make because I own everything.
We just used what we had.
Damn. At least it was making the best of a bad situation though. And a nice memento.
JS:
We learned how to make the dog mask ourselves and Strauss (the fly man) figured out how to actually do a casting of my face and stuff...
S_B:
Now the $2-$3k, was that cash out of pocket? How did you fund the film?
That mask was absolutely eerie man.
Yeah. I just paid for it. I mean it wasn't $2k straight up.
It was like buying booze for the day, or a hotel room for a night up north.
S_B:
Oh yeah. Luckily it usually isn't. But obviously $ adds up. How much would you say you guys spent on the mask? Maybe $1k?
$300?
Something like that.
Maybe $500... but we also have enough stuff left over to make more.
S_B:
Oh really? Damn. I thought the materials were way more expensive than that.
Nope. I don't think they were all that much.
It's hard to remember exactly.
S_B:
I saw at the end of the credits it was filmed on location in Texas and Minnesota? How did that come about?
That's kind of a "joke" in a way.
S_B:
Especially when you are doing so much and wearing so many hats.
Oh?
JS:
There were just a couple random things filmed in Texas. It was 99% Minnesota.
Okay cool. One of my best friends got married in Minneapolis last year, and I got to catch A Serious Man by the Coen Bro's at the Trylon Cinema. That place was rad.
Not a joke as much as like... it's sorta' true but also not really.
Yeah! The Trylon is great!
S_B:
It's true. Just not equal parts is all.
JS:
They (Trylon Cinema) played The Good Exorcist.
Wish they'd open one by me. Hahaha.
No way!
They gonna play GP?
JS:
We just got an Alamo Drafthouse here and it's awesome! They do crazy flicks you'd never see and the guy that runs it is a great guy.
Hopefully when this is all done!
S_B:
Whaaat?! That's so flipping awesome.
Did you try to get GP into any festivals? What was that process like?
Yeah. That would be awesome. It's such a great movie to watch with people.
Yeah. We played at Twin Cities Film Fest, South Texas Underground, a french fest... We got into a bunch but now they're all cancelled.
TGE got into a bunch too.
I was gonna say. Being there is really half the battle.
But it is still great to get your work in front of people.
Can you talk about your filmmaking journey? Where did it all start? When did you start filming stuff? How you got to where you are now?
I was an animator first. Went to school for it. But I've always made short films and just kind of wanted to tell my weird stories.
Daniel and I met in kindergarten and I've known Keith (Miles) my whole life... sinceI was like 13 days old.
But you know, we also have lives and jobs and whatnot - so we didn't ever get to make a feature.
I also just got lucky and worked hard at animation and got jobs with some rad people like Kevin Smith, Troma, CNN
In that order?
JS:
No.. First was Kevin. I got that gig right out of college animating his podcast.
Tusk to Troma to CNN?
JS:
Then CNN hired me to do a few things.... there was a lot in between there. Troma was later.
Whoa. That's awesome. How did that come about?
JS:
Just contacting them honestly
Wait a minute. You have to animate for CNN before you can animate for Troma?
j/k
JS:
HAHAHA
I was gonna say Lloyd's gotten some mad standards now.
And how did the gig with Smith's podcast come about?
JS:
Kevin was from a contest for his podcast... Troma was a long relationship I formed with them from having shorts at their film fest.
S_B:
That's pretty cool.
And now Lloyd and I are relatively good friends.
S_B:
What were the shorts like? Yeah? He seems like such a genuine guy.
Nice!
JS:
But I've done VFX for a few of their movies, animation for Shakespeares Shitstorm (Lloyd’s last movie apparently) and now I'm talking to Lloyd about doing an animated film.
Animated Troma, now that sounds like a blast. Would that be their first completely animated film?
It would be more like a “special”.
Like a 22 minute special.
We're talking about doing it as a valentines day thing (so it can be real bloody).
Still rad as hell.
That'd be cool.
What are some of the films and director's that most inspire you as a filmmaker?
One underrated bit of animation that you think everyone needs to see?
Tim Burton is definitely one of the ones that inspired me the most. Spielberg inspires every filmmaker in some way I think... Obviously Robert [Rodriguez], Lloyd [Kaufman], and Kevin [Smith] (… and the older I get the more I'm inspired by people like David Lynch.
I mean -
S_B:
Favorite Burton flick? Spielberg really does have such a wide repertoire, it's crazy. Oh definitely. David Lynch is great. You watch many David Cronenberg films?
JS:
Beetlejuice is my jam.
Love that movie.
Cronenberg is great.
The Fly is one of my top 5 fave movies.
I have seen it! The silhouette-y one.
S_B:
Beetlejuice is great.
Yeah he is. Videodrome is spectacular.
For filmmaking?
Robert told us “what you’re about to do is impossible. We’re going to do it anyways” and that kind of stuck with me
But my advice to everyone is stop fucking taking things too seriously.
So many people don’t make something because it becomes sacred.
Damn. RR is a quote machine.
I know I am definitely guilty of that last part. Letting things become sacred.
How do you personally deal with that crisis of trying to birth art? Fighting that nagging voice 'ah, it's probably gonna suck' that kind of thing?
I just keep working. I force myself to work harder anytime I feel that way.
Every movie is someone’s favorite and the shittiest movie in the world to someone else.
It's definitely suited you. You are building a great body of work.
That's a great point. Part of the beauty of art.
I make the movies that are fun for me and that I'd want to see so I don't really worry about it.
S_B:
Exactly! Make a movie you would enjoy because odds are there are also people out there who will enjoy it.
JS:
Not really sure... I just signed a deal with a sales agency so I guess we'll see.
S_B:
Oh nice! Congrats. Is there any kind of timeline as it stands now?
No. I'd love to have it out soon though.
In the next couple of months hopefully.
I'd love to have it out by the end of May.
That wold be stellar.
I wanna be respectful of your time. Could definitely chat well into the night, so I'll end with these two questions:
Next movie you’re gonna watch?
A movie you think everyone should see?
I'm going to watch Aladdin (OG) with my kids in a few mins HAHAHA
I'm actually planning finish IT 2 soon.
I think everyone needs to see American Movie. It's brilliant.
Nice. Aladdin is great. I am super bummed Disney stopped doing hand drawn features. It's criminal.
How has IT 2 been? The divisiveness and the length kinda threw me off when it was in theaters.
I'm not familiar with that one. Feel like I have heard of it. What's a quick synopsis?
It's a documentary about a filmmaker
S_B:
Nice. Is it on any of the streaming services right now?
Probably not... it's hilarious and was kind of an indie gem of the late 90's but I think the only way to see it is on DVD.
S_B:
Gotcha. One to track down 🙂
JS:
Yeah, it's so damn good.
Josh, I just want to thank you for being so generous with your time and giving me the chance to watch GP. I really enjoyed it.
JS:
Awesome! Thanks for watching!
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