X : I'm an expert in agile.
Me : Good on you. I'm sill learning.
X : Would you like me to teach you? Have you ever done any agile before?
Me : I started using XP around 2000, just before the agile manifesto came out. I think this graph will help you.
Me : Good on you. I'm sill learning.
X : Would you like me to teach you? Have you ever done any agile before?
Me : I started using XP around 2000, just before the agile manifesto came out. I think this graph will help you.
X : Are you calling me a hazard?
Me : I've heard you say how agile is suitable everywhere.
X : It is.
Me : I listen to people in the six sigma and lean camps say the same. It's always that their approach is suitable everywhere and others fail.
X : They're wrong.
Me : I've heard you say how agile is suitable everywhere.
X : It is.
Me : I listen to people in the six sigma and lean camps say the same. It's always that their approach is suitable everywhere and others fail.
X : They're wrong.
Me : Have you considered the possibility that you're all wrong?
X : Are you saying there is something better than agile?
Me : No, I'm saying it has a context. XP is the right approach in the right context. There is no one size fits all.
X : Are you saying there is something better than agile?
Me : No, I'm saying it has a context. XP is the right approach in the right context. There is no one size fits all.
X : You agree with agile?
Me : In the right context. But the same is true with lean, with six sigma etc. Lean about the context, apply appropriate methods at the same time.
Me : In the right context. But the same is true with lean, with six sigma etc. Lean about the context, apply appropriate methods at the same time.
X : But each of the components in your map is a map.
Me : Yes.
X : So even with electricity, if you dig down there are some components that could require agile.
Me : That's well known.
Me : Yes.
X : So even with electricity, if you dig down there are some components that could require agile.
Me : That's well known.
X : Hence if we keep going down it will all be agile!
Me : No. I could do the same exercise looking for more industrialised processes i.e. every more "novel" activity contains industrialised components. Your problem is bias, you're not seeing the wider picture.
Me : No. I could do the same exercise looking for more industrialised processes i.e. every more "novel" activity contains industrialised components. Your problem is bias, you're not seeing the wider picture.
X : How so?
Me : Agile was evolving to become the best way of building the genuinely novel and new. I say "was" as in past tense.
X : So, you're now saying agile isn't suitable everywhere but now something is wrong with it?
Me : Yes.
X : I'll bite. What's wrong with agile then?
Me : Agile was evolving to become the best way of building the genuinely novel and new. I say "was" as in past tense.
X : So, you're now saying agile isn't suitable everywhere but now something is wrong with it?
Me : Yes.
X : I'll bite. What's wrong with agile then?
Me : "Experts" are trying to make it one size fits all. To mix the multiple characteristics and different beliefs required to manage a space into a single framework. This is flawed.
X : You're not a fan of agile?
Me : I love XP. But agile is literally being "killed" by "experts" trying to make it work everywhere. It is becoming anti-agile as a result.
X : As you said, you know nothing.
Me : You mean I disagree with you. I do.
Me : I love XP. But agile is literally being "killed" by "experts" trying to make it work everywhere. It is becoming anti-agile as a result.
X : As you said, you know nothing.
Me : You mean I disagree with you. I do.
So many typos in that thread ... oh well, obviously need a coffee.
i.e.
I'm sill learning -> I'm still learning.
Lean about the context -> Learn about the context
etc.
I'm sill learning -> I'm still learning.
Lean about the context -> Learn about the context
etc.
