Lately, many people have been bringing up the San'a' palimpsest to prove that the Qur'an wasn't preserved. This "discovery" is supposed to destroy the preservation "myth".
I will be addressing this issue in this thread.
I will be addressing this issue in this thread.
1. Those people are just pointing out that there are variants.
Muslims already know this. No need to keep bringing up this issue.
Muslims already know this. No need to keep bringing up this issue.
2. They keep talking about variants which differ from the 'Uthmanic Mushafs.
We already know that.
This concept of readings differing from the standard text existed many centuries ago. Many of these readings are well documented and well known in the Islamic tradition.
We already know that.
This concept of readings differing from the standard text existed many centuries ago. Many of these readings are well documented and well known in the Islamic tradition.
3. They keep pointing out that some variants have different meanings.
Yes, and? We have many books written on this subject. Some readings have no impact on the meaning, and others have a minor one. This is ABCD in the science of Qir'aat/'Ulum Al-Qur'an.
Yes, and? We have many books written on this subject. Some readings have no impact on the meaning, and others have a minor one. This is ABCD in the science of Qir'aat/'Ulum Al-Qur'an.
4. This is the puzzling part. Look how their logic works:
"Look people. We found variants. We also found variants that differ from the 'Uthmanic Mushafs. Some of them have different meanings. Aha! = The Qur'an is not preserved"!
"Look people. We found variants. We also found variants that differ from the 'Uthmanic Mushafs. Some of them have different meanings. Aha! = The Qur'an is not preserved"!
All of the above have nothing to do with the preservation of the Qur'an.
Muslims scholars explained that the Qurʾan was inherently a multiform recitation, with multiple diverse, equally valid alternate readings to begin with.
Muslims scholars explained that the Qurʾan was inherently a multiform recitation, with multiple diverse, equally valid alternate readings to begin with.
What compelling argument do you have that the prophet didn’t teach/approve multiple ways?
This whole argument doesn't work for the preservation of the Qur'an.
This whole argument doesn't work for the preservation of the Qur'an.
Their argument is against having variants. This would work if the Qur'an was only recited in one way and if only lately we discovered that this was not the case.
Everyone knows this is not the case. I think the above argument destroys nothing but basic logic!
Everyone knows this is not the case. I think the above argument destroys nothing but basic logic!
Also, people need to stop using YQ's name. This is unethical since he doesn't agree with this nonsense.
For more information on the San'a' palimpsest, please refer to this thread:
Ex-Muslim: Look!! There are different qira'at with different meanings!
Muslim scholar: Yes we know. We teach them, recite them and write books about them. Have you read any of these books?
Ex-Muslim: No I dont need to! Uthman burned the mushafs!!!
Muslim scholar: 🙄
Muslim scholar: Yes we know. We teach them, recite them and write books about them. Have you read any of these books?
Ex-Muslim: No I dont need to! Uthman burned the mushafs!!!
Muslim scholar: 🙄
Ex-Muslim: But why did 'Uthman burn all the other Mushafs? Why?!
Muslim scholar: Uthman burned other copies of Mushafs because he wanted to unite the Muslims on one standard text.
Muslim scholar: Uthman burned other copies of Mushafs because he wanted to unite the Muslims on one standard text.
He also knew that simpletons will have doubts and get confused if all the other copies of the Mushafs survived.
The San'a' palimpsest proved that simpletons can never understand the history of the Qur'an.
Ex-Muslim: 🙄
The San'a' palimpsest proved that simpletons can never understand the history of the Qur'an.
Ex-Muslim: 🙄
Ex-Muslim: Look at all this information I found about Qira'at! I'm an expert now. Muslim scholars are finished!
Same ex-Muslim: What does Farsh mean?
Same ex-Muslim: What does Farsh mean?
(Whoever follows the guidance does so for his own benefit. And whoever strays away from it, you are not in charge of them).
Qur'an: 39:41
Qur'an: 39:41
I received a question from @Abumusamujahid about a post on Surat Al-'asr.
Some people are confused because they recently "discovered" Kitab Al-Masahif and they're trying to prove that we have different "Qur'ans".
Some people are confused because they recently "discovered" Kitab Al-Masahif and they're trying to prove that we have different "Qur'ans".
1. It's very clear that whoever is working on this can't read or write, let alone understand Arabic. They can't differentiate between Alif and Laam! The text is wrong...it has many mistakes.
2. It seems like they're also happy with a "new discovery" that the Qur'an doesn't talk about the 7 ahruf.
Yes. And?
These people have issues with both the Qur'an and the Hadith.
Unfortunately, for simpletons, no amount of proof will ever be sufficient.
Yes. And?
These people have issues with both the Qur'an and the Hadith.
Unfortunately, for simpletons, no amount of proof will ever be sufficient.
3. Let's assume that the report regarding Al-'Asr in the book Al-Masahif is authentic,
Not sure what the issue is here.
I addressed this before in the thread about the San'a' palimpsest.
Not sure what the issue is here.
I addressed this before in the thread about the San'a' palimpsest.
Please read this part about the readings of the Sahabah that differ from the 'Uthmanic Mushafs:
4. In the same thread, I gave some examples of authentic readings (sahih isnad) that differ from the standard text...
5. Why did 'Uthman unite the Muslims on one standard text and why did he leave out some valid readings?
6. Not sure what part of "The Qur'an is revealed in 7 ahruf" is not clear.
Again, the Qurʾān was inherently a multiform recitation, with multiple diverse, equally valid alternate readings.
Again, the Qurʾān was inherently a multiform recitation, with multiple diverse, equally valid alternate readings.
The Prophet himself approved and taught different readings...We have the hadiths about the 7 ahruf + the oral tradition + the Qur'anic manuscripts to prove that.
I advise my brothers and sisters not to waste their valuable time in this type of debates. Our time should be invested in seeking knowledge and learning more about our deen.
