Thread by @funranium

To reiterate, the good news here is zero chance of zombies.

The bad news is that you have to cope with the living instead. Unlike the shambling dead, who are fairly goal oriented (re: your brains), the living have Opinions™ and they are often contradictory.

https://twitter.com/funranium/status/1322417650857734144

The reason I like to ask questions like these is because there's often not a good answer and we haven't *really* had to figure it out. Which means this is the best time to do it is now, rather than as a game time decision when the crisis is already in process.

And there is few better places to work on this than the edge cases where Reg Set 1, inspired by technical & safety concerns, runs face first in to Reg Set 2, inspired by cultural & religious taboos.

If anyone's ever said an anthropology degree is useless, they're dead wrong.

Failing to appreciate or respect what inspires Reg Set 2 is what lands you in deep shit with crying families on the TV calling you a cruel and heartless representative of organization that is, clearly, immoral. This looks very bad on your performance appraisal.

IN PARTICULAR, people get excited about how you treat the remains of the dead.

I want to be very clear that I am, at best, an amateur onlooker at the processes & rules of death work, especially their religious overlap. But daaaaang it's interesting.

As humorous anecdote, I was once introduced to the head of the back of the house at a funeral home who was shocked I'd shake their hand. Friend then explained what I handled plutonium for a living and they had had to go wash their hands.

Rad workers scare death workers, yo.

But back to handling the dead, depending on religious preferences in question, you may be on a very tight clock. If, for example, you've got three days to get that body in the ground that's not allowing much cool down time for short-lived, particularly nasty radionuclides.

As for anointing the body before burial, I had a lot of fun contemplating making lead shielded PPE vestments for my friend @lukei4655 or, in the case of particularly nasty radioactive death, possibly the Blessed Hot Cell for manipulator arm anointing.

Other funerary practices, such as unmarked simple burial, would otherwise be also be considered illegal disposal of radioactive waste, kind of like sending the interns/privates to go bury drums "somewhere out there" without actually noting where you did it.

Cremation would look a lot like waste incineration, as discussed in a previous CYORA, except cremation retorts don't have *that* kind of filtration.

Certainly does reduce the body to a much more manageable size. Your urn in this case would probably be a small Type B container.

Where Reg Set 1 vs. 2 fight is really going to come down to it is public dose consideration. If your body, after processing and burial, is still a public dose hazard such that anyone near the remains could receive a dose in excess of .02mSv in an hour from them, Set 1 will win.

Reople operating under Reg Set 1, will want a "burial" that is more in accordance with waste disposal concerns, i.e. a hole in the ground in one of the waste burial areas at NTS (no, I will not use it's current name).

You can offer it, but the family doesn't have to accept.

Which means if you're going to have a burial somewhere else and The Dose Rate of the Dead is too high, you now have to do some work to insure that the people wandering through the cemetery, especially those that work there, are safe.

As these are dead soldiers, in America you have a bonus option: Arlington National Cemetery.

If you die in good standing with DOD, you may request burial in Arlington. Circumstances likely to create several dead very radioactive soldiers might also merit group burial memorial.

While you can request it, DOD can never demand it though they might hint VERY FORCEFULLY that they'd like to do interment at a national cemetery.

A group memorial would be very convenient to build a single shielded vault with monitoring to hold the remains of the unlucky crew.

As a bonus military option, if you were either active duty or closely associated with the Navy you can do burial at sea. There is, however, the minor issue that this *might* constitute a violation of the London Convention of Sea Disposal of Radioactive Waste.

Burial at sea regs for various nations already specifies specific locations you can do it and also requires that you make sure that the body sinks promptly. Because no one is happy for a body to float ashore, especially a radioactive one.

Also, are human remains waste?

Oops, you just ended up on the news again with grieving family members for being a heartless bastard again, referring to their loved ones as "waste". This is very tricky territory.

A likely exception for burial at sea wrt the London Convention would be wartime or accident while under way for a naval vessel. Not ideal but also not a lot of room to store very radioactive corpses aboard the ship. You probably have bigger issues to worry about though.

But in America at least, burial is very likely going to be in a family plot that needs a special casket/vault for the body. We actually maintain a registry of all such burials so that we know to go check on them and make sure that the cemetery hasn't since been abandoned.

Because that happens and human/human institution time scales are just out of sync enough relative to the radionuclides of general concern where 10 half-lives is in the 10-10000yr range. An internment done 300 years ago in America is now a full & abandoned colonial graveyard.

So, project 300 years forward from today and what does the graveyard and surroundings look like? Hell if I know, but based on wandering around in Boston and Cambridge you can only hope they're that well cared for. But I do know you'll still be responsible for monitoring.

But what if the cemetery has to be moved? Now you have all the family issues of disinterment combined with, well, let's call them legacy waste issues.

The only way I can think to make it more ugly is if it was a tribal burial ground too, like in this documentary Poltergiest.

In the inspiring events for this scenario, we kinda sorta killed three people with reactor oops. You may review the SL-1 incident here. There's a 3hr version somewhere, but I can't find it:

For the three victims, the answer was everything but burial at sea, despite the fact that one of them was a sailor and their family, theoretically, could have requested it.

To make the burials in private plots and Arlington work, without great expense, not all of the remains got to in the caskets. Some bits got to be drummed and disposed of as rad waste at the site of SL-1. In this case, families agreed to this but, to be clear, they didn't have to.

You'd hope that the result of this is that people organizing such work would recognize that the ideal way to deal with this is to write contracts where the course of action is set in advance.

Except we don't like to think about death and this is also nightmare lawsuit territory.

And Reg Set 1 & Reg Set 2, with all their attendant issues, will politely ignore that each other exists right up until the moment that they once more can't.

Hopefully that isn't going to happen again anytime soon.

~fin~

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ADDENDUM: to everyone that thinks the technocratic Reg Set 1 should and will always win in a fight with Reg Set 2, which feels like a nice to have on your opinion, I’d just like to remind you the underpinnings of Reg Set 2 have been around a lot longer. They tend to win.