1/ Interesting discussion today around the idea of Apple adding realtime collaboration to AppKit...
But I wonder if a focus on realtime collab misses the more fundamental issue of the web vs native battle: zero-install apps.
stratechery.com/2020/apples-sh…
But I wonder if a focus on realtime collab misses the more fundamental issue of the web vs native battle: zero-install apps.
stratechery.com/2020/apples-sh…
2/ As pointed out by @kevinakwok, Figma vs Sketch isn't just about designers collaborating in realtime.
It's about the CEO being able to give feedback with one click of a link! No fiddling with installation first.
kwokchain.com/2020/06/19/why…
It's about the CEO being able to give feedback with one click of a link! No fiddling with installation first.
kwokchain.com/2020/06/19/why…
3/ Same point comes up in this great paper by @MidasNouwens and @cklokmose analyzing the "app" metaphor
They find that web vs native is more about the mental model shift from "files and apps" to "URLs", than the realtime collab per se
pure.au.dk/ws/files/12160…
They find that web vs native is more about the mental model shift from "files and apps" to "URLs", than the realtime collab per se
pure.au.dk/ws/files/12160…
4/ So a collab API for Mac apps seems great, but I'm not sure it would be enough to save the native app...
If zero-install is gonna win for many use cases, perhaps should bite the bullet and focus on making web apps way more efficient by deep integration into OS + hardware?
If zero-install is gonna win for many use cases, perhaps should bite the bullet and focus on making web apps way more efficient by deep integration into OS + hardware?
5/ Another thing -- I'd be MUCH more excited about a more generic mechanism for users to realtime collab on a document *across apps*.
What if you could collab on a Google Doc in multiple apps, just like you can open a .txt file in multiple apps?
What if you could collab on a Google Doc in multiple apps, just like you can open a .txt file in multiple apps?
6/ This is one vision we're aiming for with the Cambria project. Different apps can define different file structures, but we can translate and facilitate collab between them:
https://twitter.com/geoffreylitt/status/1313530750025830405
7/7 Anyway, will be interesting to see how this all plays out. My bet is that zero-install is so compelling that new apps will have to keep targeting web, and any efforts toward local-first software will need to keep this in mind
More insight into this topic in this thread... fascinating how adding collaboration requires rethinking so many design decisions. And moving to offline-first raises even more questions...
https://twitter.com/andy_matuschak/status/1326609924495863808
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