Political advocates for both the Right and the Left devote great energy to criticizing ”moderates” and “centrists” as people who are “selling out” to the culture and refusing to take brave stands. Let me tell you a story! 1/9
When I was teaching at Westminster in Philadelphia I got to know Chip Stonehouse (now deceased) who was the son of one of the founding faculty members, Ned Stonehouse (New Testament). He served for years with John Murray, a Scotsman who taught Theology. Ned died in 1962. 2/9
At that time Chip told me that he was approached by John Murray who expressed love for his father but concern that he died watching TV on a Sunday and therefore, in Murray’s view, breaking the Sabbath. I asked Chip if he was offended and the good-natured Chip said not at all. 3/9
John was just the strictest person he knew regarding Sabbath observance.
Yet consider this. As a young man John Murray had been studying for the ministry in his denomination, the Free Presbyterian Church, when he became involved with a controversy over Sabbath-traveling. 4/9
His denomination called for disciplining church members who used public transportation to get to services on Sunday. A minister named William Matheson publicly opposed this ruling. He argued that if a person had no other means of getting to Sunday worship it was not a sin 5/9
to use public transit. John Murray supported Matheson who was eventually expelled from the denomination. Murray was told that unless he changed his views he would not be ordained. So Murray instead entered the (American) Orthodox Presbyterian church.
The point? 6/9
No matter how strict and conservative (or progressive) you think you are, there is always someone stricter than you who thinks you have sold-out your principles. Everybody in the world except the single most extreme person on the Right and Left-(there has to be 1 of each!) 7/9
—is a centrist compromiser. Let criticism drive you to the Scriptures so you can be more deeply grounded in the Word. If someone says you are being less than biblical—always take that seriously.
But think of these questions: Is God one or three? Is Jesus divine or human? 8/9
Is God sovereign over history or are we responsible free agents? Is poverty the result of individual irresponsibility or of oppression and injustice? The biblical answers to each of these questions are going to look like some kind of Third Way centrism (though they are not—
they are actually off the spectrum of human thought categories). So don’t let the bare critique of “centrism” bother you! Everyone is a "centrist" in some way (except for those two people). 9/9
• • •
Missing some Tweet in this thread? You can try to
force a refresh
Of course I will do some soul-searching, Kell. I’ve been talking to folks like you who have been the victims of bigotry for years. I never want to become immune to that hurt. 1/4
You seem to be saying that an argument like Edwards’ that (a) acknowledges the reality of very good and virtuous non-theists yet (b) shows the serious problems and implications of non-theism for ethics—necessarily dehumanizes and demonizes non-theists. 2/4
I’d like you to consider that his assertions are carefully thought out and reasoned. And there are articles and books being written right now, often by non-theists themselves, that are pointing out the same problems. 3/4
Interestingly, some read my other thread as advocating FOR centrism, when in reality it was noting that EVERYONE is a centrist to someone else so the claim is problematic. Perhaps some missed the argument. So here is another thread on the non-centrism of the gospel: 1/8
Jesus in Luke says, “To what, then, can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling out to each other: “‘We played the pipe for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not cry.’ 2/8
For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating & drinking, & you say, ‘Here is a glutton & a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by all her children.” Lk 7:31-35
Hey Kell--Thanks for engaging. You deserve a response. I see your comments on my Twitter account here and there and I’m sorry I don’t have the ability to engage more. I’m not sure you’ll be happy with my response, but I don’t want you to think I ignore what you say. 1/9
1st, as to this idea (that nontheists are incapable of nontransactional love) being offensive—I hope you will agree that most truths usually offend someone. So if a statement is offensive that doesn’t really speak to its truth or falsity. 2/9
2nd, as to this idea being ‘completely false’. Edwards’ “The Nature of True Virtue” is a highly sophisticated philosophical text. It contains no Biblical references—it relies on philosophical reasoning. It is basically an Augustinian argument. 3/9
With respect, you are misinterpreting me, @Phil_Johnson_. I hope this will clarify. If I am understanding you (and Im not sure I am) you seem to be reading the tweets as claiming that I personally do not tell people that they are sinning. But that can't be maintained in light 1/5
...of the over 1,400 sermons I have out there in one form or another. Anyone listening to them or reading them would see that I speak to listeners about their sin and about God’s wrath consistently. This interesting article talks about this - desiringgod.org/articles/is-ti…. 2/5
So I couldn’t possibly have meant what you assert--that no one should ever tell another person they are sinning. The saying--that no one ever learned they were a sinner by being told--was a paraphrase of something I read in a John Newton letter years ago. As a Calvinist...3/5
Some say: ‘To do the work of the gospel is to work for justice & peace in the world.’ But Jesus’ primary mission on earth was not to change the social order but to save us from sin. That creates a people who, in any place they reside, will can have a transforming influence on 1/6
...the goodness and justness of the political and social order. (See Tom Holland’s Dominion.)
J.I.Packer says, ‘The gospel does bring us solutions to these problems, but it does so by first solving-the deepest of all human problems, the problem of man’s relationship with his 2/6
Maker, & unless we make it plain that the solution for these former problems depends on the settling of this latter one, we are misrepresenting the message and becoming false witnesses of God.’
In The Screwtape Letters C.S. Lewis has a senior devil writing to a junior devil 3/6
Thank you all so much for continuing to pray for me during my treatment for pancreatic cancer. God has been very gracious in answering those prayers, and my most recent CT scans last Monday showed more improvement. My doctor is both surprised and delighted that 1/3
...I am able to tolerate the continued high level of chemotherapy with relatively few side effects (they are there, but not as debilitating as they could be) as well as having such a strong therapeutic response.
Those, of course, are the two things we asked people to pray for! 2
All praise belongs to God, who has been merciful and generous in caring for us both physically and spiritually. Please, if you are willing, continue to pray. 3/3